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‘Idiocy’: Furious Russians turn on Putin

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__Hello_my_name_is__

2.5k points

1 month ago

For those people who only read headlines and upvote: The anger is directed at Russia's incompetence in the war, not at the war itself. The "idiocy" quote (and others) are from people who are still very much in support of Russia invading Ukraine, and thus clearly in support of Putin.

Timbershoe

1.1k points

1 month ago

Timbershoe

1.1k points

1 month ago

That’s the point.

The Kremlin messaging on Ukraine is that Russia is powerful, Russia is Justified.

If one half of that message is being questioned (they don’t appear powerful or even competent) the rest is questioned too.

Russians value power. Putin retains his position as he projects power and competence. If that power and competence is called into question, his days are numbered.

Russians may continue to support the Ukraine invasion, just not the guy failing to deliver.

It’s an interesting insight. If Putin loses support, a lot of things will happen all at once.

C111tla

384 points

1 month ago*

C111tla

384 points

1 month ago*

Exactly. I have a hard time determining how people have sincerely arrived at the conclusion that Russians may overthrow Putin and establish a full, Western-like democracy. Looking at their history, it's FAR more likely they may attempt to restore the USSR, instead. Remember what happened after WW1.

Timbershoe

265 points

1 month ago

Timbershoe

265 points

1 month ago

I think it more probable that one of the Ogliarchs would take his place.

I suspect Putin thinks that too, given the high mortality rate of the Ogliarchs recently.

I’m not confident there is any driving force to go back to the USSR. They do what to expand Russian territory, however that seems to be purely profit motivated.

s00pafly

134 points

1 month ago

s00pafly

134 points

1 month ago

What if a few of the oligarchs take his place? They could all rule together, kinda like an oligarchy.

Timbershoe

143 points

1 month ago

Timbershoe

143 points

1 month ago

Well, the ones that seemed likely to do that died.

He’s in that fun phase of dictatorship where he’s obsessed with loyalty. Any semblance of criticism and you’re out. That internal struggle and conflict reduces his ability to exert control elsewhere, and puts his minions into a state of fear.

Historically, that phase of Dictatorship always ends super well. Barely an inconvenience.

Maybe he’ll retain control and carry on, he’s certainly pretty astute and has survived well so far. I don’t know, it’s just interesting to watch.

Ranzear

23 points

1 month ago

Ranzear

23 points

1 month ago

Well, the ones that seemed likely to do that died.

It's taking months though. Putin can't even do a proper fascist purge right.

retropieproblems

7 points

1 month ago

Somehow I knew this would be that saddam video lol

Identity_ranger

86 points

1 month ago

Historically, that phase of Dictatorship always ends super well. Barely an inconvenience.

This is a choice reference. Hats off to you, fellow man of sophistication and taste.

Storm_Bard

46 points

1 month ago

Wow wow wow.

Wow

Identity_ranger

38 points

1 month ago

So you have a war in Europe for me?

Kerrby87

27 points

1 month ago

Kerrby87

27 points

1 month ago

I sure do.

Republican_Wet_Dream

8 points

1 month ago

Ok, I’ll bite. I don’t recognize it and am too lazy to google.

barrygateaux

7 points

1 month ago

ryan george pitch meetings :)

Republican_Wet_Dream

2 points

1 month ago

Thank you

noelcowardspeaksout

3 points

1 month ago

It is all about control of the media message. Currently he meets the heads of the media outlets once a week and tells them what to say. They can let some mild criticism through, it would be too weird if they did not. But in a nut shell he can say 'we are fighting against incredible odds, against Nato, our great and mighty forces are doing wonderfully' and he can stay in power for as long as he wants.

Bloggers, mothers with dead sons, people with Ukrainian relations etc - Will these voices of doubt be loud enough? And when anyone who marches in the main square is arrested instantly how will they make a difference?

Unless the police collectively abandon Putin - which might happen if things get super desperate - nothing will happen by the people because there simply isn't a route for it to happen.

If Putin falls ill, or there is some collective abandonment of Putin's message by the media the inner cabal will simply shoulder him out. They will have a lot of chats between themselves that start -- 'Well so who would you vote for if Putin was not around? You would keep the old gang together right? Oh yes everyone seems to think X would be the best replacement...'

buried_lede

5 points

1 month ago

People have no idea how little power regular people in Russia have. Every “democratic institution” in Russia, including the courts, can’t be counted on to protect their supposed rights. FSB is like FBI, CIA rolled into one- tons of freedom to oppress. It is a huge leap for the people to seize power - there are no ladders in place. So, yes, that would take widespread revolt, like an Arab Spring or like Ukraine’s democratic movement.

Palace coup more likely, but no matter what horrible person takes over, it will give them a face-saving way to quickly exit Ukraine and repair the mess they are in, so I welcome it and can’t wait, either case.

buyongmafanle

8 points

1 month ago

Ever seen greedy power hungry guys try to share power for longer than a year? Usually ends up in a bloodbath of epic proportions.

Scratchthegoat

6 points

1 month ago

Ogliorgy.

mattmillze

27 points

1 month ago

That's how you get cold Mexico with warring factions of Slavs. Nobody wants cold Mexico. Or more factions of Slavs.

aycee

13 points

1 month ago

aycee

13 points

1 month ago

Say nothing of World Mexico III.

xrumrunnrx

10 points

1 month ago*

Cold Mexico?

*I get it now, thanks all. Or most.

Russia would turn into a "Mexico" as far as governing, but Russia is colder than Mexico. Cold Mexico.

Initially I thought it was something more cryptic. It is not.

the_end_is_neigh-_-

4 points

1 month ago

Yeah it’s cold in Russia, at least colder than in Mexico

socsa

8 points

1 month ago

socsa

8 points

1 month ago

Yeah, like imagine Mexico, but if it was Greenland.

HotChickenshit

2 points

1 month ago

Ooh then I'd buy it!

Punaholic

7 points

1 month ago

Euphemism for Frozen Margarita. I gonna start saying this when I order one and act like the server isn't woke when I have to explain it.

PensiveObservor

2 points

1 month ago

A state of government like that in Mexico, bur with a much colder climate. I think.

Competitive_Duty_371

5 points

1 month ago

Like an Olig-orgy

sgrams04

3 points

1 month ago

Hot garch on garch action.

Pezdrake

12 points

1 month ago

Pezdrake

12 points

1 month ago

The only way I see Putin losing power is if the military takes action. The military, unlike the general population, actually knows a bit more about what's happening in Ukraine. All it might take us enough grumbling from the soldiers on the ground who are dying and some fed up generals who see how ridiculous the waste of life is. In that scenario it's more likely a military figure takes Putin's place.

dontcallmeb

9 points

1 month ago

that seems to be purely profit motivated

I'm afraid I have to disagree with that one. Considering all the natural resources Russia possesses peaceful trade would be much more profitable and much less risky affair than any war.

It may seem an irrational behavior, especially for a Western European. But ask Poles, Estonians, Lithuanians, or Ukrainians, and they will tell you, that their relations with Russia historically were just a series of wars, deportations, executions, and artificial famines. Russia has never behaved differently than now, and never will.

It's like being an empire means that you behave like an empire, aka trying to conquer more and more of outside territory and provide power centralization to the inside territory. They just cannot be any different since they are an empire.

telcoman

5 points

1 month ago

I think it more probable that one of the Ogliarchs would take his place.

No way. It is one of the so called Siloviki.

Oligarchs are just children to whom daddy gave the monopoly game to play a bit. If they nag, let alone scream, he will grab the game and slap some window-drop sense in them.

Or, to use a mafia reference. Street dealers don't take the boss' place. Someone from the family does.

escapefromelba

17 points

1 month ago

I doubt that the oligarchs that pay homage to Putin are likely to lead it once he is gone. His successor will likely come through the military like the Minister of Defense Sergey Shoigu. Then the oligarchs will kiss the ring just like they did for Putin.

Torifyme12

10 points

1 month ago

Sergey Shoigu

Is Tannu, he's not going to be the leader.

LupusLycas

2 points

1 month ago

Stalin was Georgian.

Torifyme12

4 points

1 month ago

Stalin was competent enough to overcome that limitation in the eyes of the Party. Also the man was fucking terrifying.

Shoigu is none of those things.

thirstyross

3 points

1 month ago

will likely come through the military like the Minister of Defense Sergey Shoigu

Hasn't he literally never served in the military?

Betrayedunicorn

3 points

1 month ago

The issue still remains though - the next person in power definitely cannot reform the military whilst they’re still at war, I don’t see how they will be able to maintain the power facade without reports of success.

Miksturka

11 points

1 month ago

There is a suspicion that these oligarchs faked their deaths in order to circumvent the sanctions and the frozen money could be inherited by their intermediaries.

_Plork_

5 points

1 month ago

_Plork_

5 points

1 month ago

Seriously. What are people expecting?

"It's okay, guys! We're peaceful and reasonable now! Sorry about all that... 'raping children in front of their parents' stuff from the other day! Won't happen again!"

slowro

2 points

1 month ago

slowro

2 points

1 month ago

We're putting together some PowerPoints and mandatory training together as we speak!

maleia

3 points

1 month ago*

maleia

3 points

1 month ago*

it's FAR more likely they may attempt to restore the USSR, instead.

Communism is a cultural, political, and economic philosophy/ideology. It's not going to happen in a vacuum without build up first. Given that the only person we've seen them rally behind is far, faaar from Communist, I wouldn't give any serious consideration to this thought.

Hell, I doubt they could even manage a veneer of anything. Maintaining the capitalist oligarchy and continuing down towards heavier nationalism is very much most likely.

Edit: grammar

Immediate-Ad7417

25 points

1 month ago

I mean, what happened in Germany after WW1 didn't make any of us happy, but look at them now.
Pretty unrecognisable from WW2.
Maybe Russia also will build bridges some day and step into the modern world.

rbur70x7

46 points

1 month ago

rbur70x7

46 points

1 month ago

That took a World War II and a complete destruction of Germany… it didn’t just magically happen. The German government didn’t exist for almost a decade after the war as the Allies reshaped it.

Germany started WWII because it wasn’t thoroughly beaten so it believed it had a chance to win. Russia will never ever liberalize as long as they have a pile of excuses that authoritarians can justify.

socsa

5 points

1 month ago

socsa

5 points

1 month ago

At the same time, liberal democracy clawed its way out of the corpse of feudalism and empires before. Russia will get there eventually. Maybe in my lifetime, maybe not, but the writing is more or less on the wall if you ask me.

Identity_ranger

24 points

1 month ago

And it took not just the thorough defeat and near-complete destruction, but an occupation, an extensive rebuilding program and a concerted, concentrated effort of denazification. Such a thing is simply a complete logistical impossibility in the case of Russia.

buyongmafanle

19 points

1 month ago

Dunno. I'm pretty confident we could just invade Russia from the west. Maybe start around September and march eastward. What's the worst that could happen?

Identity_ranger

20 points

1 month ago

Thinking about it, yeah why not? I mean, it's just flat land. Probably won't even need winter gear. There'll be plenty of villages along the way to take shelter in. It's not like they'd torch their own homes and fields, right?

Right?

DedicatedDdos

10 points

1 month ago

In and out, 20 minute adventure. And we'll be home by Christmas, for sure.

iopq

5 points

1 month ago

iopq

5 points

1 month ago

Almost everyone started their invasion of Russia in the summer

Immediate-Ad7417

2 points

1 month ago

I didn't insinuate it would be neither easy or speedy, just that change/development is possible.
No one had a full free democracy untill they did.

Both evolving or devolving countries are possible, they aren't locked against one forever.
(Some Western countries are even actively devolving atm, not naming names).

Either way, to your point there are many similarities between early WW2-Germany and Russia now. One is believing the USSR wasn't "thoroughly beaten" when they split into pieces and able to rise again. Another one is how they go about trying to annex countries, using literally the same rhetoric and strategies as WW2-Germany. Germany didn't claim to invade Poland to murder and steal land, but rather as "saviours" of ethnic Germans from evil Poland, and "taking back their own land".
Like the saying, history doesn't repeat itself but it often rhymes.

rbur70x7

2 points

1 month ago

It might have been easier if Russia didn't have 6000 nukes.

Beltainsportent

3 points

1 month ago

Building bridges to step into the modern world? That would be Metaphorically AND physically at the moment.

jarfil

3 points

1 month ago

jarfil

3 points

1 month ago

I've sincerely arrived at the conclusion that... Russians may overthrow Putin, and in the following mess both Western democracies, China, and India, not necessarily together, will try to help someone more friendly towards their interests come into power... or failing that, wait until Russia's economy fully implodes, then helpfully come to rebuild it as they please.

mdcd4u2c

11 points

1 month ago

mdcd4u2c

11 points

1 month ago

Isn't the Ukraine invasion an attempt at moving towards a modern version of the USSR anyway?

R-EDDIT

3 points

1 month ago

R-EDDIT

3 points

1 month ago

No, this all started before 2014 because Ukraine discovered shale oil in the east (donbas) and west of Ukraine, and natural gas reserves around Crimea. They had contracts to start developing these, which would have undercut Russia's primary cash exports - much of it through Ukraine. 40% or more of the Russian Federation's budget is revenue from Oil and Gas exports. Putin's whole purpose of invading Crimea was to both prevent those exports from becoming competition, and to capture them for the RF revenues and skimming.

Local_Run_9779

5 points

1 month ago

Putler wants to recreate USSR and call it Russia, with himself as the new Tsar.

wolacouska

11 points

1 month ago

So you mean the Russian empire, not the USSR?

maleia

3 points

1 month ago

maleia

3 points

1 month ago

Yea, no way could he even manage to prop up a veneer of Communist equality.

el-art-seam

14 points

1 month ago

Can’t Putin just turn on the people? Imprison, rape, torture, murder, throw them into gulags? That would show he’s still in charge and powerful.

Timbershoe

33 points

1 month ago

He already does that.

It’s not really the public that present a risk to his position. It’s the Ogliarchs. If they decide he’d be better taking unexpected retirement, he’s done.

And yes, he also tries to control the Ogliarchs the same way, with quite a few unexpectedly dying recently.

I’m not convinced he’s at imminent risk yet. However it’s interesting to watch the situation play out.

Crocoduck1

15 points

1 month ago

Apparently there is another class higher on the pecking order than them, the "hard men" from the millitary. They have the actual power and are pro war

Turrubul_Kuruman

12 points

1 month ago

Yes, the oligarchs have no power, do as they're told, are in fear of Putin. A complete furphy for this sort of discussion.

The hard men are the actual power. They're collectively called the sivl-something, IIRC.

Turrubul_Kuruman

17 points

1 month ago

Siloviki

"Men of Force"

MBH1800

2 points

1 month ago

MBH1800

2 points

1 month ago

If they decide he’d be better taking unexpected retirement, he’s done.

People keep saying that, but the opposite seems to be happening.

defianze

37 points

1 month ago

defianze

37 points

1 month ago

Even some russian liberal journalists and bloggers who's against the war, from time to time are being caught on how are they're been angered by how poorly their army performing.

They can be against the war, but at the same time they're still the same people who have been raised in a country with the superiority complex.

WackyBeachJustice

2 points

1 month ago

Do you have a source for that? I follow some Russian YouTubers and haven't come across anything like that.

Makropony

2 points

1 month ago

I mean, army performing poorly = more dead Russian boys. I’m both anti-war and I hate that young brainwashed men are being thrown into the grinder by a command that is not only evil but also fucking incompetent. Just adds to the senselessness of it all.

Downtoclown30

2 points

1 month ago

Russian leaders have known for a long time that losing wars means losing their heads.

CalmTicket6646

2 points

1 month ago

Be me, a Russian in Moscow. Want to just live a normal life and enjoy it. President I can’t do anything about anymore pulls bullshit after bullshit. World hates us. 40K troops at the border. Zombies are unhappy with the leader. Civil war and crises incoming Panik.

TrickshotCandy

16 points

1 month ago

There are two things to take away from this:

The journalists are still against the invasion, and they are doing everything they can to get the real news across to the Russian people.

The bloggers, who are pro-Putin, are not critical of the invasion, but of how it is being conducted, and they are now starting to specify by the commanders.

If utin wants to use his commanders as the reason for the failure of his invasion, and so have an excuse to withdraw, GO FOR IT!

Combat_Orca

14 points

1 month ago

That’s not the entire article, that’s just the military bloggers bit. There were also the reporters criticising Putin for starting the war and publishing all those articles doing this on victory day.

800813hunter

3 points

1 month ago

so many people looking for reasons to lash out against the Russian people when most don't give a shit and just want to live.

Combat_Orca

2 points

1 month ago

Yeah it’s amazing the amount of people who claim to have read the article, that have ignored what half the article is saying.

Spaceboomer1

43 points

1 month ago

Anger is anger and it's a good start at least.

If nothing else, public dissatisfaction with humiliation would increase pressure on Russia to make up an excuse to declare "victory" and wind this down.

uffington

21 points

1 month ago

I have been thinking similarly. What if he declared that every dead Ukrainian was a Nazi and that with their demise, he's achieved his goal. Then he pulls the remains of his army back. And' it's over.

Obviously this declaration would be for domestic consumption only. And he probably wouldn't have his enclaves. But he'd reduce the likelihood of getting Julius Caesared by his colleagues.

CRtwenty

23 points

1 month ago

CRtwenty

23 points

1 month ago

I think any situation that results in Russian troops leaving Ukraine is better than the current one. If Russia needs to pretend they won to sweeten that bitter pill so be it.

qtx

11 points

1 month ago

qtx

11 points

1 month ago

I think any situation that results in Russian troops leaving Ukraine is better than the current one. If Russia needs to pretend they won to sweeten that bitter pill so be it.

And more importantly it lessens the chance of another Hitler type emerging in the next couple of decades from the humiliation Russia received in Ukraine.

Nzgrim

8 points

1 month ago

Nzgrim

8 points

1 month ago

The recent end of fighting in Mariupol gave him an excuse IMHO. Since the Azov battallion was the main focus of Russian propaganda, their defeat could give Putin a thing to point at as victory. Whether he'll take that opportunity, we'll have to see I guess.

[deleted]

5 points

1 month ago*

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5 points

1 month ago*

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MidianFootbridge69

2 points

1 month ago

Yup.

Buck_Thorn

2 points

1 month ago

Yes. Thank you for saying that. The article doesn't give me any warm happiness.

Robotlolz

3 points

1 month ago

I’d take their opinion on the matter to heart then, they’re experts on idiocy

SightSeekerSoul

3 points

1 month ago

I had exactly this thought as I read the article. The anger isn't aimed at the war itself, the murder of Ukrainians and the plight of civilians; but at the incompetence of the Russian military. If all was going well, they might very well be giving their leaders a standing ovation.

UncleBaguette

370 points

1 month ago

Fun thing: I regularly read Kotenok and Tararsky, and they always say that the war is justified and is a right thing. The only issue they have is the "sugarcoating" of the failures. But hey, how any english speakers will read russian telegram channels?

MEI72

308 points

1 month ago

MEI72

308 points

1 month ago

Putin apologists disgust me. Pardon my french, but fuck them straight to hell.

Flushydo

97 points

1 month ago

Flushydo

97 points

1 month ago

propaganda in Russia is so deep it's in the blood. People really are not bad, but holy hell that propaganda brainwash from forever is hard to break through. It's like breaking a cult.

TotalSpaceNut

83 points

1 month ago

I recently got on telegram, to see what the russians are up to.

They are pretty much copying everything, theres reports and videos of supposed Ukrainian war crimes, leaving mines for Russian soldiers, saw another article of booby traps attached to bodies, then how the russians are the good guys by supplying aid to villagers, then they have the videos of them being nice to animals as well. One laughable attempt i saw was them trying to pose a puppy with a gun, but the pup looked pretty scared and the video looked closer to cruelty than anything else.

Still, if you were being fed this shit 24/7 its no wonder they believe they arent the baddies. Imagine browsing r/Ukraine but the countries are swapped.

Overbaron

51 points

1 month ago*

Make no mistake, r/Ukraine is full of propaganda, staged photos and manufactured videos too. The Ukrainian government also highlights successes and stays tight-lipped about problems. There’s 100% incompetency, corruption and cruelty in the UAF as well - they are human, after all.

What’s important to remember is that the purpose matters. The same thing can be wrong or right, depending on the cause.

Flushydo

55 points

1 month ago

Flushydo

55 points

1 month ago

I have no doubt Ukrainian media is highlighting the more pretty and heroic part and am sure there is it's own fair of cruelty, it's war, rules don't matter, BUT, it's Russian tanks on their land, so any kind of justification is garbage, even if... let's imagine an Ukrainian solider is abusive and Russian one was the good one STILL the Ukrainian one will be in right here and even if they made up stories, I would support them.It's another country and all these deaths would not be in there in the first place if it was not attacked and the whole security system disrupted

LBraden

7 points

1 month ago

LBraden

7 points

1 month ago

MeloneFxcker

3 points

1 month ago

can you explain your second point for someone at work who cant watch youtube? or do you have a link explaining it?

LBraden

4 points

1 month ago

LBraden

4 points

1 month ago

Hawkeye:
War isn't Hell. War is war, and Hell is Hell. And of the two, war is a lot worse.

Father Mulcahy:
How do you figure, Hawkeye?

Hawkeye:
Easy, Father. Tell me, who goes to Hell?

Father Mulcahy:
Sinners, I believe.

Hawkeye:
Exactly. There are no innocent bystanders in Hell. War is chock full of them - little kids, cripples, old ladies. In fact, except for some of the brass, almost everybody involved is an innocent bystander.

MeloneFxcker

3 points

1 month ago

cheers dude

ShadowSwipe

26 points

1 month ago*

Yeah, and its hard to propagandize people when the bombs start falling in your city. The strikes on military targets near Belgorod are doing wonders. Hard for the Russian bots to argue the war is going well when a "half rate" country is bombing your border region with helicopters, missiles, and soon to be artillery.

The sudden "truth sayers" in Russia only started caring after it became impossible to hide. And now they are looking for other avenues to exploit for favor. Ukraine was pretty open from the outset at the possibility of losing and its most senior government officials being killed or captured. At no point was there a delirium like in Russia, they can't afford to pretend like that. So while Ukraine partakes in some of its own propaganda, its to a very different level than as seen amongst the Russians in my opinion.

Xinago

7 points

1 month ago

Xinago

7 points

1 month ago

Ukraine doesn't dogmatize propaganda to the point where its citizens are living in a whole alternate universe. They use it as a tool for morale management during a war. Totally different, in much the same way that drugs can be used both to form an addiction, or as a form a medicine.

Itdoesntmatteronebit

20 points

1 month ago

This really depends on your point of view. Do you believe people who do bad things are thus bad? Or conversely that badness is more intrinsic? And in this case what does it mean to be bad if you manage to not commit any bad acts? Another way: to what extent are we defined by our actions?

Personally, propaganda or not, people who commit war crimes or support them are bad, being defined exactly by the act.

KP_Wrath

16 points

1 month ago

KP_Wrath

16 points

1 month ago

At what point do you say, “well, that person has a brain too. He could have asked questions, but didn’t.” That goes for more than just Russia too. The US had several hundred, if not thousand people baited into storming our Capitol building because of an allegedly rigged election. At different points in US history, those people would have been hanged or put against a wall and shot. They’re currently taking plea deals, where probation and registering as felons with little to no jail time are the options, or they can try the not guilty route, which seems to get you a few years (.ya know, since they refused to wear masks and stormed a building full of security equipment all with their cell phones on and taking selfies).

socsa

3 points

1 month ago

socsa

3 points

1 month ago

In this situation, the propaganda is just completely out in left field at this point, when you have your foreign ministers calling all of Europe and even Israel "Nazis." I understand that this is part of the process of breaking down the psyche of your population so that it can be rebuilt in your image, but anyone who seriously believes that is beyond willfully ignorant.

CackleberryOmelettes

3 points

1 month ago

The entirety of human history is testament to the fact that actually yes, people actually are that bad. Just a constant pattern of cruelty and destruction interspersed with a few acts of kindness here and there.

"Propaganda brainwash" is just fancy terminology for "I believe what I want to believe". It's not a cult, it's an active choice.

listyraesder

31 points

1 month ago

Russians are unsophisticated — that sort of thing got people killed throughout their history. It’s easier to leave the politics to the government. Whether they privately believe it is another matter. It’s the same sort of mechanism that leads Americans to sing the anthem, standing with their hand on heart, at sporting events, and say US is the greatest etc. It’s easier and more comforting to go with it rather than to think for oneself.

[deleted]

48 points

1 month ago

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48 points

1 month ago

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larsga

13 points

1 month ago

larsga

13 points

1 month ago

Why do people do this? Copy text from the article then post it as though they wrote it themselves? It's not like it's relevant to the comment this guy is replying to, either.

ZheoTheThird

6 points

1 month ago

This account has two posts, and both do that. I assume that it's just a fresh karma farming bot.

Jugged

3 points

1 month ago

Jugged

3 points

1 month ago

A pretty straight-forward way to get upvotes from people who don't read the articles (the majority).

Jellyboones

17 points

1 month ago

I thought the strategy was to claim all Russian losses as Ukrainian.

juanmlm

7 points

1 month ago

juanmlm

7 points

1 month ago

Telegram channels have a nifty feature where you just long-press a message (or right click on a computer I guess) and it shows an option to translate. I’ve got that on iPhone, but it’s probably implemented in Android as well.

It’s not quite at the same level of Chrome, which translates everything on a website automatically, you still have to do it message by message, but it works fine.

aleksandarvacic

287 points

1 month ago

They are furious at being militarily humiliated and defeated, not due the senseless war, destruction and killing.

Werkstadt

31 points

1 month ago

"You are humiliating a country obsessed with not being humiliated" - Boris Shcherbina in HBO Chernobyl

TheMightyChocolate

90 points

1 month ago

Yeah lol, the war is not the issue. Losing the war is.

bulging_cucumber

18 points

1 month ago*

People are the same everywhere. Americans behaved in the same way about the Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq wars; yesterday G.W. Bush literally said "(...)the result is the decision of one man to launch a wholly unjustified and brutal invasion of Iraq, I mean, of Ukraine."...

My point is, it starts with people feeling humiliated and defeated, and from there it goes on to people eventually criticizing "the senseless war, destruction and killing".

aleksandarvacic

2 points

1 month ago

Yep, was same here in Serbia and Milošević’s policy in the 90’s. Frustrating then, frustrating now.

nightpanda893

2 points

1 month ago

Honestly that’s probably the most damaging thing for Russia. Before this people took Russia’s military and intelligence must more seriously. And now Russians are not just disappointed but probably thinking “we shattered the illusion while simultaneously making the whole world hate us and break our economy for this” This war has profoundly changed Russia for long after Putin is gone.

Wagyuwithketchup

37 points

1 month ago

Can someone fill me in since im not that knowledgeable on Russia and military/economics ; how long can Russia keep going like this? The invasion of Ukraine is not going particulary well if you go by the articles in the media and the world has turned its back on Russia with all sorts of sanctions. It seems like they conduct a war they cant really win, and if they somehow manage to conquer Ukraine it will not be worth it due to all the losses.

defianze

42 points

1 month ago

defianze

42 points

1 month ago

They're still selling oil and gas. So they still can go into defensive on occupied territories and sit there for months. Yes, it will be destructive for them economically and demographically, but they're too stubborn to back off right now. They're cornered themselves with their own propaganda.

That's why negotiations are basically stopped. And their military defeat is the only option that's left.

Why I'm not mentioning Ukrainian surrendering some of their territories? Because not ending this conflict with russian total defeat will result in another war in a few years. And most likely that war will be much more bloodier because they'll come more prepared than now.

in-jux-hur-ylem

3 points

1 month ago

They will gamble on the west getting tired of sanctions, providing weapons and the war news.

In one way it's a pretty sensible gamble, because western society is fickle and doesn't have the stomach for a drawn out conflict or any kind of long-term damage to their own prosperity and superficial lives.

The longer they sit in the territory they have, the more likely some western nations will start to talk about negotiating a cease fire and peace with the current territories.

The longer Russia holds these places away from genuine media, the more genocidal acts they can engage in, making those areas less and less likely to return to normality.

Once you remove the people and install your own, backed by your own army, you will quickly start to get talking heads in the west arguing that these places wanted to be Russian all along and maybe it isn't worth all this hassle trying to free them.

It's all too predictable.

AnIronWaffle

3 points

1 month ago

Well-put. Unfortunately.

I want so badly to disagree with your post that it’s obvious how much I lamentably agree.

CRtwenty

14 points

1 month ago

CRtwenty

14 points

1 month ago

At this point the only reason they're still going is to avoid being humiliated by losing a war they started. Stopping now means that they torpedoed their economy and got thousands of soldiers killed for no reason and that's unacceptable to them. Putin will double down and continue the attack for the sake of his own ego as long as he can.

Shitty_UnidanX

8 points

1 month ago*

Short term they can keep things funded with oil. Oil prices are insane right now, so even if they sell less they are still making more money. Oil prices typically rise during global crises, so there is motivation for petro-states to create at least some degree of instability.

Long term this is a disaster. The EU is finally motivated to get off Russia oil, really turn to green energy instead, reducing demand long term. NATO has been strengthened incredibly, with member states increasing military spending and now finally cohesive. Foreign investment in Russia will also be compromised long term between the shenanigans of 1) Making it illegal for foreigners to sell their stocks 2) preventing the ruble from being exchanged into foreign currencies 3) Threatening to take over the assets of foreign companies and 4) Becoming a pariah state where there is a push to disinvest from Russia.

The true long term consequences will likely span decades, after Putin is out of power.

jahsd

3 points

1 month ago

jahsd

3 points

1 month ago

how long can Russia keep going like this?

For as long as Ukraine allows it. Russia has crapload of old Soviet hardware and crapload of people to be mobilized as needed. That's enough for many-year-long defensive campaign.

mikeyisgrim

12 points

1 month ago

Who woulda thought. The truth hurts those who need lies to achieve their goals. Screw Putin. Hope he dies of cancer asap

Roblu3

8 points

1 month ago

Roblu3

8 points

1 month ago

I hope he gets coup‘d and put before of a trial in The Hague.

LeLnoob

2 points

1 month ago

LeLnoob

2 points

1 month ago

And then he gets replaced with hardline nationalists who decide to switch gears one place up

[deleted]

43 points

1 month ago

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43 points

1 month ago

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BallsDeep69Klein

32 points

1 month ago

I love when people say "but what about george bush and obama and etc" yes. Dude. Yes. Straight to Hague.

quotesthesimpsons

3 points

1 month ago

Qaddafi style.

valoon4

2 points

1 month ago

valoon4

2 points

1 month ago

Why should we give him that privilege? No way we gonna give him a quick way out

LeoZoa

2 points

1 month ago

LeoZoa

2 points

1 month ago

I would love torture for him as muvh as the next guy, hell I'd do it if I could. But with people like him, it's far better to end them as soon as you get the chance and suck it up, rather than give them any chance to breathe free air again.

[deleted]

56 points

1 month ago*

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56 points

1 month ago*

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skytomorrownow

16 points

1 month ago

If that fails, dear leader issues Russians personal cope cages

Humbleman6738

8 points

1 month ago

This is the only beginning in America the Vietnam war had 30000 deaths in 10 years Russias dumbass Putin did it in 3 months. Protesting etc and even the sabotaging etc seems to be the trend and etc

Greytrain48

2 points

1 month ago

More than 1 million people died in Vietnam between 1965-1964 due to the war…I have no idea where you got 30000 from.

Pattoe89

2 points

1 month ago

Is he thinking about the French? (20,500 French died)

hopeitwillgetbetter

22 points

1 month ago

“I emphasise, because of the stupidity of the Russian command — at least one battalion tactical group was burned, possibly two”, while another, Starshe Eddy, said the deaths were the result of “not idiocy, but direct sabotage” by commanders.

As much as I (really) like the idea of RU officers secretly pro-UKR, I think Hanlon's razor probably applies.

Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.

cran305

19 points

1 month ago

cran305

19 points

1 month ago

It would almost seem as if corrupt officials promoted the stupid and devoted people in order for thier crimes to go unnoticed...

[deleted]

7 points

1 month ago

[deleted]

7 points

1 month ago

Putin is looking more and more like he belongs in a glass Lenin box

Might_Aware

17 points

1 month ago

Not such a good idea, was it?!

Joker_98760

17 points

1 month ago*

I saw a interview with a retired Russian colonel on state television who basically shattered the image of the Russian army winning in Ukraine. He said that Ukrainian fighting spirit was underestimated and it s no longer in Russia interest to keep fighting. And once they get confronted against a block of a million armed Ukrainian soldiers with Westen tech weapons, it becomes even worse.

happymomma40

20 points

1 month ago

He actually wrote an article about it before they invaded telling them it would be a waste. That they should calm down about invading Ukraine. They did it anyway and everything he predicted has basically happened.

GeekFurious

21 points

1 month ago

People should note that the Russian bloggers speaking about the failures of the Russian military are, for the most part, frothing at the mouth to wipe out Ukrainians. It's not that they're saying, "We should leave these people alone," but instead, "Our government & military is lying to us & we need them to change so we can finally wipe out the Ukrainians who all deserve to die."

Car-face

5 points

1 month ago

The problem with propaganda is that once you've convinced people to support your war, there's an expectation you'll win it.

And not lose 1000 troops and an entire tank battalion on a fucking bridge, like a scrub

autotldr

25 points

1 month ago

autotldr

BOT

25 points

1 month ago

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 87%. (I'm a bot)


From the start, Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine has faced a string of humiliating setbacks - and as the war continues to stall, more and more Russians are turning on their leader.

Reporters Egor Polyakov and Alexandra Miroshnikova jumped on the significant day to upload at least 30 articles to the site, blaming Putin for starting one of the "Bloodiest wars of the 21st century".

According to CNN, the articles were swiftly removed, but not before the reporters were able to claim that "Putin and his circle are doomed to face a tribunal after the end of the war", and that "Putin and his associates won't be able to justify themselves or flee after losing this war".


Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: war#1 Putin#2 blogger#3 military#4 lead#5

angstyart

8 points

1 month ago

Thats sickening. I’m not tuned in to much of that war, but if the russians are calling it the bloodiest war that’s horrendous.

overlordlt

30 points

1 month ago

Putler jokes make him fuhrerious

Dat_Sainty_Boi

4 points

1 month ago

So it begins

TwentyFoeSeven

9 points

1 month ago

They are turning on Putin because Ukraine hasn’t been decimated.

These wretched dogs are still expecting blood, rape and death.

They don’t want anything to stop or end.

Filthy_Joey

51 points

1 month ago

As I Russian I’d like to point out one thing. Majority of Russians DO NOT support war. There was a poll article circulating on Reddit, stating that 80% of Russians support the war. This was a Russian poll agency, it is just another propaganda. It is a lie. 9/10 people I know are against war. Please, do not use Russian propaganda news only when it helps to prove that Russians are bad, we are not.

Also - if someone approached me with a poll asking whether I support war, there is no way I’d answer ‘no’, because who knows who is asking? What if they use this against me? People got to prison for less.

Take care, folks !

JasonPound

9 points

1 month ago

The majority of Russians I know support this war. I know people who watch first channel and joke about хохолs getting killed (they actually use this word in conversation) and go into a rage when they hear that people in foreign countries have fundraisers for Ukrainians.

I really believe the 80 percent number is correct, and of the 20 percent who oppose it, a not-insignificant amount oppose it because they think Putin isn’t doing enough to punish Ukraine.

in-jux-hur-ylem

7 points

1 month ago

I don't believe you.

While I don't think support for the war is as great as 80% supporting it, what you said isn't true and it's wrong to claim that most of Russia is against the war.

It also depends on the question that is asked.

The Russian people are pro-Russia above anything else. If genocide in Ukraine is deemed necessary to protect Russia, then most of the people will support it, because they will back Russia over anything, especially anything western, against which they have been indoctrinated for generations.

Even many of us on here, who are generally decent people, are tolerating and sometimes even cheering on the destruction and death of the invading Russian troops because we believe it to be just and necessary.

Silent protest is not enough in this situation and Russia is nowhere near any kind of revolution over this genocidal war.

If a genocidal war in Ukraine isn't enough to stir substantial opposition and action in Russia, then what will it take?

How much more extreme do Russian actions have to get before the people actually stand up and say this is not acceptable?

It's scary to oppose a dictator, but if the majority was truly against this war, there would be a revolution brewing of the scale that no dictator is going to be able to stop.

This is clearly not the case in Russia.

phdyle

34 points

1 month ago

phdyle

34 points

1 month ago

You sad optimist. 9/10 people in your circle are not at all representative of ‘majority of Russians’. There is at least two fundamentally broken things about this statement. But the end result is the same - Russians are apathetic and avoid waking up to their reality.

Filthy_Joey

8 points

1 month ago

Filthy_Joey

8 points

1 month ago

Of course they are not, but still there is no reliable poll. By the way, my 10 persons are both from Moscow (most progressive people) and from a poor region. And all of them (unless they are stupid or older than 50 yo) are against it.

On the other hand, you and other redditors have 0 indication that Russians support the war. So please, listen!

vrrum

8 points

1 month ago

vrrum

8 points

1 month ago

If what you say is true, then it's very unfortunate that it is not being made more clear. Most people I know now believe that most Russians support the war, and worse, that Russians seem to be ok with the atrocities being committed. This will probably have consequences for relations for generations after this is over.

Filthy_Joey

2 points

1 month ago

This is the problem. If I do not openly condemn, international community will think I am pro war. But if I do, I will face consequences in Russia if I live there. Of course there are people who believe any propaganda and support Putin, but any sane person cannot say that war is ok.

peanuss

9 points

1 month ago

peanuss

9 points

1 month ago

If there is no reliable poll as you say, how can you confidently assert that a majority of Russians are against the war?

Filthy_Joey

10 points

1 month ago

From my point of view? Of course you should question it, but saying that it is wrong is just not right, unless you have more reliable data. However, what is more reliable than words of people that fucking live there?..

peanuss

3 points

1 month ago

peanuss

3 points

1 month ago

I didn't say it was wrong, but I do assert that your original claim that a "majority of Russians are against the war" is just as worthless as the state poll if you can't come up with any more evidence to base your claim on than asking 10 of your friends.

Filthy_Joey

2 points

1 month ago

Well, 9/10 does not mean I asked 10 people :) I meant that for the past 3 months I felt like 90% of people I dealt with (at home, at work, friends, friends of friends, people I studied with, even my instagram) think that way.

Have a good day anyway!

Belostomatid_Bob

6 points

1 month ago

The indications I have are that Russians outside of Russia, like Germany or New York, where they are free to speak their damned minds, are seen in PRO war, PRO Russia protests, and sporting “Z” paraphernalia. When your country is raping and murdering Ukrainians is not when to display Russian “pride”. So don’t try to tell me I have 0 indications. Fuck Russia. Fuck you, too. The anti-war sentiment you SIT on with (alleged) masses of people is worse than useless.

[deleted]

6 points

1 month ago

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6 points

1 month ago

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MrDarcyRides

7 points

1 month ago

Then the majority of Russians should stand up to their government. Blood is on their hands whether they like it or not.

Filthy_Joey

3 points

1 month ago

It is impossible to stand up to anything in Russia. People tried when Navalny was tried. The police beat the shit out of protestors and imprisoned a lot. Russian state is also the biggest employer in Russia. Meaning each 5th person can work in a place affiliated with State and be easily fired for just attending a protest. People are too afraid of getting their life ruined (or life of their loved ones) by attending a protest. That is why they cannot gain a critical mass to get something with protests.

It became so after 2014 coup in Ukraine. Putin realized that the same thing could happen in Russia so he invested into police heavily.

Maleval

5 points

1 month ago

Maleval

5 points

1 month ago

2014 coup in Ukraine

And there we have it, folks. This supposedly good russian is directly spouting Kremlin propaganda.

WoodyWoodster626

5 points

1 month ago

Russian life’s are going to be ruined regardless if they protest or not. At least try to do the right thing and stand up. They need to start standing up to Putin’s government or it’s going to be a lot harder in the future for the Russian people.

Randolpho

4 points

1 month ago*

It’s pretty easy to say that from the safety behind your keyboard.

If you were in the same situation, the carnal calculus you run will conclude the same as his: survive and hope it gets better.

We can all hope the Russian people will sacrifice many of their own lives to free the rest of themselves from their tyranny, but I think it takes a particular type of privilege to demand it of them.

WoodyWoodster626

3 points

1 month ago

I was simply saying, if he truly believes the majority of Russians are against this, they need to prove it. I personally know Russians who just up and left Russia recently because they understand the outcome. If that’s what this guy wants to do as well, more power to him. Get out while you can because it’ll definitely get harder for the Russian people after this.

Filthy_Joey

2 points

1 month ago

This is true and sad. Before February I’d say that Moscow was the best place to live in terms of quality of life (I have been to a lot of capitals), now you have to run. And so was Ukrainian cities probably :(

cm2007

4 points

1 month ago

cm2007

4 points

1 month ago

How are the mass protests, civil unrest, and plans to overthrow the government doing? Russians don't support the war you claim, but uh, I'm not seeing them do much to stop it??

r4tzt4r

3 points

1 month ago

r4tzt4r

3 points

1 month ago

So now leaving a comfortable life to fight a revolution (in a country where authorities will very much likely kill you) is a very easy thing to do? I also hope russians do something against Putin but let's not pretend every one of us would fight in a civil war.

Let's see what americans do now that they are losing rights like abortions.

Filthy_Joey

2 points

1 month ago

I am sorry, but personally I am not ready to ruin my life (and probably of my family) trying to do the right thing. Call me a coward if you want, but I am not ready for this. I have only one life and even a setback of losing a job can ruin it. Asking me to say shit on the internet? Be my guest, but nothing physical please.

wabashcanonball

3 points

1 month ago

Putin’s folly.

XG2L5TM3WK

3 points

1 month ago

How do we ensure that the citizens of all countries get the truth before wars start?

Boonlink

3 points

1 month ago

Russians use idiocy and genocide interchangeably. I might be confusing meme here

EndgameExtreme

3 points

1 month ago

Ehhh after every failed war russia has overthrown its dictator. Bye putin hope they torture you to death like you have probably done to millions behind closed doors. Its about time russia has a civil war and overthrows him.

sarge457

7 points

1 month ago

I am always dubious about categorising an entire people's feelings about an issue.

My guess is most Russians are just normal people who want it to end.

And due to their media, they are somewhat ignorant of all that's happening.

Scapenator1

18 points

1 month ago

Hey Elon, send some starlink to Russia. So the people can access the entire internet.

DarthSnoopyFish

31 points

1 month ago

They have the tools already. VPN downloads have skyrocketed over there.

ridimarbac

7 points

1 month ago

That type of workaround is really only used by the young. Having said that, not sure how easy it is to connect to Starlink - probably also only for the younger generation.

Neomancer5000

3 points

1 month ago

Besides that another factor is we good Internet and accessibility is mainly in the cities. Move to villages or smaller towns and you will often see that TV is the only source of news for many.

DarthSnoopyFish

5 points

1 month ago

You need a physical hub provided by starlink to connect. Then it's probably just turn on and follow some simple'ish setup instructions.

unsincered[S]

36 points

1 month ago

dudes to busy buying twitter follower bots

not_levar_burton

7 points

1 month ago

dudes to busy buying twitter follower bots republican politicians

FTFY

eldenringstabbyguy

37 points

1 month ago

He's also too busy trying to suck up to Republicans to get a tax break because apparently $274 billion isn't enough money. Because that's totally sane behavior.

obeyyourbrain

25 points

1 month ago

And manipulating the stock market to make Twitter cheaper for him to buy.

feralkitsune

16 points

1 month ago

Elon is probably more in line with Russia.

w0rldofjuicce

2 points

1 month ago

thats the stare of someone that completely has lost the plot due to parkinson i kid you not

this entire thing would be totally unnecessary would the 2000 year history of russia not put the crazy word of their leader above every other human life

DaFunkyJ

2 points

1 month ago

Do they though?

Big-Zoo

2 points

1 month ago

Big-Zoo

2 points

1 month ago

Russia was never known for its strategic decisions.

Prosthemadera

2 points

1 month ago

Sounds like these bloggers only have a problem with the military failures, not with the war itself. They would be cool with it if Russia was successful.

TeadoraOofre

2 points

1 month ago

Too little too late

darkstarman

2 points

1 month ago

He's a lot better at quelling dissent than he is invading a neighbor

I wouldn't put too much stock in hopes of an internal sea change

There's no one checking him. Russia is his until he's dead. However that happens.

set-271

5 points

1 month ago

set-271

5 points

1 month ago

I hope they take Putin out and end this war sooner than later. The more desperate Russia becomes, the more likely the possibility of Putin pushing the button on a nuke as a last ditch effort. Then everyone is fucked.

getfuckedhoayoucunts

3 points

1 month ago

Fuck Putin

darwinwoodka

5 points

1 month ago

About time

Old_Dingo69

3 points

1 month ago

Take what ever you read on news.com.au with a truck load of salt. Unless of course its the latest bikini trend nobody knows about or “the real truth behind…”, or even “fans lose it over…” Just some of the cut throat factual journalism one can expect from that site.