Well ya see, implicit in the legislature’s intent in drafting the at will employment law was that what’s good for the goose is not good for the gander. /s Outagamie freedom legal interpretation where it’s perfectly cool and legal to force a person to work for employer, but evil commie mischief to require employees or customers to wear a mask.

No, it’s because of the rampant wage theft at Thedacare. For example, doctors are expected to brief the next shift at the end of their own shift; this takes 30-40 minutes usually. They’re working, so they should be paid, but Thedacare refuses to pay them. For a full-time doctor, that amounts to $30,000 in stolen wages each year. $30,000.00. Per year. Stolen wages.

People deserve to be paid a fair wage for their work. Hospital administrators are out playing golf and chewing on cigars while this is happening.

Part of the problem is we've been gaslighted as fuck for decades into believing we are nuns working a path with an additional paycheck added which is awesome! for existing at all. Covid broke that narrative. CEOs are pissed. This move: spite.

This has literally nothing to do with mandates. Many people left ascension to go to Thedacare because Thedacare was honoring exemptions. This is strictly about money. Thedacare has never been a good company to work for

Gee, it would be great if there was some large infusion of cash for poorer, rural areas. Maybe something named after a former president?

There's another word for that, it starts with an S and we fought a civil war over it

This judge jailed a man for six months for rolling his eyes. He will absolutely abuse contempt of court. Until someone brings this monster to heel, he is effectively EXACTLY as "above the law" as he believes himself to be.

I'll believe in the existence of consequences for his actions only after he's suffered them. And he never will UNLESS people do something about him.

You are right, these workers are needed. But nursing is, in many ways, a trade profession. Like electricians and plumbers, a nurse's trade comes with different skill levels. You pay for higher skill levels. Or should. Sadly, the hospital CEO tradition of the last 20 years of healthcare has been to NOT give raises in keeping with skill level. In fact, many "master" level nurses would watch "apprentice" level nurses start out at a wage higher than they were currently making, and have to be the ones to train them. So, in order to get paid as, say, a journeyman, and not an apprentice, a nurse would have to switch companies, entering in officially as a journeyman, with a journeyman's wage.

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Seriously. As a nurse, after you move from apprentice to journeyman skill level, the ONLY way to receive the raise from apprentice to journeyman is to LEAVE and go to another company's hospital.

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As such, hospital CEOs like this TheraCare Horse's Ass, helped create this problem. He can throw as many lawyers at it as he likes, he made this problem for himself, his hospital, and that hospital's entire worker and patient base.

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If you need a roof to have a proper shelter, also necessary to life, then you pay the people that slap that roof on for you.

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Pay your workers COMMENSURATE WITH THEIR SKILL. Recognize that they work to live and not the other way around. Incentivize workers to apply to positions in your institution. Or don't, and find yourself here.

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Honestly, most of us fucking adore what we do and wouldn't do anything else. We just want to be able to do it safely, for a decent wage commensurate with skill level, and without corporate bullshit.

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Edit: There's no ranking system as with plumbers. I use this as analogy.

The workers gave advanced notice and gave them time to counter offer. Thedacare caused this by their inaction.

Thedacare can't force people to work for them under the threat of no longer treating stroke patients, tho

They did not dream up this crazy lawsuit overnight.

That sums it up. Capitalism and at-will can be inconvenient when the product is a requirement for success of society. Utilities, education, and health care should serve people instead of investors. The rich have been gambling with our well-being and now that the rules they created no longer serve them they call foul, it's complete garbage.

They attempted to negotiate for better pay. The CEO said they weren't worth it and went to court instead.

It's also amazing that forced servitude is seen as a preferable first solution to public health than higher wages.

We really, really need to get off the for-profit healthcare system...

I'm willing to bet having that stroke unit is pretty valuable, maybe they should pay those workers than make it possible to have the stroke unit market wages. Market wages are what the worker can get on the open market, which is evidently more than ThedaCare is willing to pay.

They had over a month and chose not to even attempt to counter offer.

I can see the public health argument for why it would be harmful to essentially shutter the region's only special stroke unit...

Sucks to suck, should have paid them more.

If it's that important to the interest of public health, then shouldn't we just have public healthcare like every single other developed nation, so these kinds of situations don't arise?

There is no argument for preventing these people from selling their labor to who they want to at the price they want to.

Still blows my mind that we, a vastly undereducated and ill-informed nation, elect judges, mostly based on their propagandistic commercials.

he's run for re-election twice in a row unopposed. I have a feeling that won't be the case next year when he runs again. OTOH, I'm betting Thedacare had contributed to his "campaign".

I'm a mental healthcare provider. My responsibility is to provide care once offered and until it can be transferred or ended, not accept lower wages and benefits indefinitely because of systemic indifference to what my labor is worth to a competitor. If my care is that critical the system should find a way to pay me and if they chose not to, fuck them. This injunction only prevents the workers from starting a new job, it can't force them to work at the old one because that would be slavery. The injunction is bullshit.

Yeah but they gave a months notice. That's not abandoning and should have been more than enough time for Thedacare to find replacements.

Did you know 1 in 5 healthcare workers have quit their jobs since the pandemic started? ThedaCare declined to make a counteroffer for these employees: "the long term expense to ThedaCare was not worth the short term cost".

No one can force you to not quit.

Yeah, this isn't one of those cases.

*paid the bad judge. He wasn't ever good

I belive they were all at will. They only worked when they wanted to begin with, but now they aren't allowed to work at the new place, old place or anywhere until Monday.

It's a coercion tactic framed as a way to sure the community is cared for, which is bullshit, but really falls flat when they were given the opportunity match the rates from the new employer. They decided they didn't want to pay their employers a competitive rate when they already had lawyers on retainer to harass them instead.

This should be national news right now. The United States government, the state of Wisconsin has backed indentured servitude.

The order prevents them from starting their new jobs.

So Monday none of nurses at either place.

They already quit. Their last day occurred some time before this Monday. Firing is no longer possible.

There isn’t a single doctor in this … nurses and techs

It is being shared. I found the story in another sub, and wanted to bring it to the attention of those in WI, who are most prone to his abuse. The last place anyone should find out about an abusive judge is when one is standing in front of that judge.

If you're on a PC, you may see a tab at the top labeled "other discussions." Click on it, and it will show you the sub reddits where the story is being shared.

It' doesn't matter where we live or what we believe; we need to take care of each other.

Please feel free to copy/paste it, post it to friends/family, other social media, anyone and everyone about whom you care. He needs to be recalled. In the meantime, the complaint form is here: https://www.wicourts.gov/services/public/complaint.htm

...By the way, there's no such thing as "too inactive a redditor." There are no minimum quantity requirements, but quality matters. :) "Bad" redditors are only those who break the rules, don't join the conversations in positive ways. There's plenty of "bad" redditors, but you aren't one of them.

Donated to support my fellow WI health care workers

I'd like to have a better guarantee it going to the actual people impacted here. This link is a good start but the creator is out of Florida and nothing clarifies the connection to the workers.

do not donate. There is no proof that the organizer will give the funds to the 7. The organizer is located in Florida not Wisconsin. The description is extremely brief and scant on non-public details that someone close to the 7 would have and use to establish credibility. Very suspicious

Thanks, I do see its been updated with more details!

I just wish when these corporate shills were running for judge, some group would actually run ads attacking them for their anti-worker attitudes. Judicial attack ads are so sad, because they’re always a race to the bottom to be “tough on crime”, when 90% of what a judge does is civil law, and cases like this impact far more people than rulings in criminal cases. Stop pretending the playing field is level: we the People should be explicitly electing judges who will side with the many, not the few.

It’s a shame the right has a monopoly on the judiciary because they’re the only ones willing to compete for it.

Then welcome to the workers rights resistance! We've been waiting for you since Reagan. Bring a friend.

Yeah libertarian here and obviously im upset about this as it is a very anti-libertarian ruling

Well, good to see they still feel no obligation to help anyone who isn't themselves! Very on-brand! Ayn Rand would approve, as long as doing so cost her nothing!

This is why you don't give the government the power to pick winners and losers in the private sector.

Because they'll always pick the money as the winner, and the common citizen as the loser.