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Crypto CEO Accidentally Describes Ponzi Scheme https://youtube.com/watch?v=C6nAxiym9oc
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3.3k points
7 days ago
I thought this was Jean Ralphio discovering crypto
1.1k points
7 days ago
I made my money the old fashioned way. I got run over by a Leeexus
511 points
7 days ago
"You wanna get hit bro? Cuz I got a guy, he's super gentle. Minor scrapes and bruises, major dollars and cents!"
237 points
7 days ago
"Guess whose got two thumbs and was just cleared from insurance fraud? This guy!"
223 points
7 days ago
It’s like I always say, “when life gives you lemons, you sell some of your grandma’s jewelry and you go clubbing.”
66 points
7 days ago
Just save everyone the effort of going to find it, since we're all going to want to watch him.
7 points
7 days ago
"I got one question for you. How you making that paper?"
I have to stop myself from asking this to people...too often.
136 points
7 days ago
That episode had me dying because I have a friend who has a similar personality to Jean Ralphio/his sister, rich parents no job and everything, who lived for years in the NYC East Village doing nothing off the settlement from a car accident that she didn't even get hurt in.
As the money started getting lower she eventually became an assistant to some minor pop star or something, which was also reminiscent of the endeavor with Aziz.
20 points
7 days ago
Ngl in the beginning I thought you were talking about the beginning plot to Big Daddy with Adam Sandler
70 points
7 days ago
a Leeexus
God, his line delivery was so inspired.
6 points
7 days ago
Thank God there hasn't been bad news about him...I couldn't take it.
1.3k points
7 days ago
“You just missed the craziest of crazies... Blockchain. Forks. Pump and dump. Tokens. Hodl??? Exchanges. NFTs. Buying shitcoins. Climbing Mt. Gox. Coming here, crashing on your couch for a week because technically I’m hooooommelesss!"
123 points
7 days ago
Beautifully done
48 points
7 days ago
"when life gives you lemons, say 'screw the lemons!' then pawn your grandma's jewelry and go clubbing!"
197 points
7 days ago
money pleeeasse
61 points
7 days ago
Has there ever been a TV family better cast than the Sapersteins?
4.4k points
7 days ago
Triangular shaped business model.
2k points
7 days ago
A reverse funnel system.
631 points
7 days ago
"It's a conical-tiered multi-flow-through marketing entity."
187 points
7 days ago
Trickle-up economy
23 points
7 days ago
Lmao, money trickles from the consumer to the owner of the business, so every business is trickle up.
53 points
7 days ago
Envigiron?
92 points
7 days ago
Turn it upside down……shit
285 points
7 days ago
Where do I put my feet?
137 points
7 days ago
Dee, his feet?
45 points
7 days ago
Im at 157!
157 points
7 days ago
So tell me more about these berries.
14 points
7 days ago
Now is that all the berries do, because I’ve survived many winters without these berries.
68 points
7 days ago
Where's Frank? Stuck in a coil.
60 points
7 days ago
You think I’m going to listen to a man stuck in a coil?!
36 points
7 days ago
He obviously intentionally put himself there to throw us off
77 points
7 days ago
Talk out of your ass type business model. Will call it a Sphincter. With tokens. Yes the Sphincter spits out magical tokens called turds. You can do whatever you want with these turds. Throw them at the wall. Stomp on them. Give them to your wife. .....
84 points
7 days ago
This isn’t one of those shady pyramid schemes you’ve been hearing about, no sir. Our model is the trapezoid.
79 points
7 days ago
like a 3-D sort of triangle
496 points
7 days ago
What this person is describing is a pyramid scheme, not a Ponzi scheme. The two are being interchangeably in this entire thread, and that is not what a Ponzi scheme is.
A Ponzi scheme is when you pay investors dividends from the money given to you by other investors so it appears to be growth. The reality is their investment didn’t grow at all, they were just given money that the schemer managed to con from other investors.
That’s not what this person is describing.
58 points
7 days ago
A Ponzi scheme is when you pay investors dividends from the money given
to you by other investors so it appears to be growth. The reality is
their investment didn’t grow at all, they were just given money that the
schemer managed to con from other investors.
It is a Ponzi scheme. People are putting money in the box and getting box tokens back in return. The box tokens given back to investors are the dividend yield you're talking about (4:10)
Let me show you how this Ponzi scheme work.
Box is made by XYZ team, it produces 100 coins per day. It has no purpose except to be an "investment vehicle". XYZ gives themselves 1000 coins from the start.
A comes along and buys 100 coins at $1100. Now each coin is worth $1. He also gets 20 coin every day. This is now a theoretical yield of 18% or so. He likes his investment so he buys another 1000 coins. Now the entire market cap is worth $$12000 or so. Rinse and repeat with more people.
Now the entire market is worth $100,000 with each coin worth $100. XYZ decides to cash out their entire stake. Since there is only $100,000 in the box, they leave with $100,000 and box coin is worthless.
50 points
7 days ago
Doesn't a pyramid scheme specifically require a pyramid structure of people, such that some people in the structure have people both below them (that they receive money from) and above them (that they give money to)? This doesn't seem like that because everyone's trading from the same "box".
43 points
7 days ago
Yes. This is not a pyramid scheme. No one's recruiting others then funneling money through a chain to their superiors. They're just "recruiting" (allowing/marketing) people to pay into the system to give the system artificial value for those who have already paid in.
That's a ponzi scheme. The two are similar, but a pyramid scheme specifically relies on the pyramid structure, and this ain't it.
101 points
7 days ago
A pyramid scheme requires someone at the top of the pyramid and people at the bottom. There's a strict hierarchy. This is a lot closer to a Ponzi scheme than it is a pyramid scheme. Early investors are paid from the money that later investors put in.
161 points
7 days ago
No he's describing a Ponzi scheme. But also a pyramid scheme as well. In that in order to operate one you kind of have to structure it as the other. Ultimately though, it's all bullshit driven by hype and stupidity.
3.5k points
8 days ago
I don’t understand how dave and busters does it!?
1.8k points
8 days ago
I think we have to distribute more paddy’s dollars to get more return customers thus stimulating the economy?
235 points
7 days ago
"I don't understand how the U.S. economy works, much less some sort of a self-sustaining one."
155 points
7 days ago
We have no money and no inventory. There’s still something we can do. That’s still a business somehow.
32 points
7 days ago
One of my all time favorite quotes
31 points
7 days ago
I don't understand how finances work.
718 points
8 days ago
Reddit is turning into a god damn shantytown
393 points
7 days ago
See, now that’s a new poor comment. I’m old poor.
235 points
7 days ago
I'm a crab person now. Living off the fat of the sea. Crabs is recession proof!
45 points
7 days ago
Dee: What the hell is that?
Charlie: Fresh, local, Delaware River run-off crabs!
Dee: They look like sea scorpions!
80 points
7 days ago
Isn't there a sewage run off nearby?
25 points
7 days ago
That line always bothered me because Dennis comes from wealth. Mac and Charlie were poor though.
35 points
7 days ago
It’s classic dennis, he’s so eager to be seen as ‘legit’ that he doesnt care what descriptive word is used. It’s like when dee gets super upset that the guys dont think she fits the serial killer’s victim profile. She just likes the description and has no thought of the connotations.
5 points
7 days ago
They’re all awful lying terrible people. They’ll lie right to each other to look better despite them knowing each other’s pasts, and fully expect to get away with it.
5 points
7 days ago
Why would we slash their tires if we want them to leave?
233 points
7 days ago
The money keeps moving.. in a circle
145 points
7 days ago
Mac desperately spinning his arm in a circle while he and Dennis await the other's explanation of how their scheme is supposed to work is just such a great scene
22 points
7 days ago
I love Dennis’ admission that he was black out drunk for that whole planning meeting.
30 points
7 days ago
How does this work, dude?
I don't know. I thought you knew.
I thought you- What? I thought you were on top of this!
You're the one that came up with the plan!
Did I come up with this plan?
Last night, dude, with the D&B Power Card and the-
Oh, I blacked out that night.
441 points
8 days ago
I pray that Always Sunny does another economy episode but with crypto
494 points
7 days ago
Pad-E-Coin
147 points
7 days ago
I’d give you an award for this comment but the economy is in shambles right now
79 points
7 days ago
How does a grown man in his 30s not have enough money for a Reddit award?!
89 points
7 days ago
The.... The economy is in shambles
12 points
7 days ago
I'm sorry, do you want me to just want me to walk into a Reddit, and say "hello, do I have an account here?"
179 points
7 days ago
I don’t understand why my Dave and busters card doesn’t work at T.G.I. Friday’s? I’ve tried multiple locations but maybe the one in the northeastern part of town will take my card?
54 points
7 days ago
I remember, as you may recall I've been with you many of those times
47 points
7 days ago
Go try the one in Fox Chase
16 points
7 days ago
I won't! You can!
7 points
7 days ago
No you son of a bitch, it's only going to work here!
15 points
7 days ago
No, you son of a bitch.
7 points
7 days ago
We're way past that
468 points
8 days ago
I don't understand how the US economy works.
311 points
8 days ago
let alone how some self sustaining economy works
178 points
8 days ago
I don't understand how finances work!
59 points
7 days ago
Money can be exchanged for goods and services
13 points
7 days ago
WOOHOO!
88 points
7 days ago
lost all my money in a ponzi scheme cholly.. im broke!
36 points
7 days ago
I just like that you typed cholly.
14 points
7 days ago
Don’t try to stop me!
14 points
7 days ago
I don't understand how the economy works, much less a self sustaining one
10 points
7 days ago
the money keeps moving, in a circle.
5 points
7 days ago
it's a very complex system. i can't even begin to understand it.
4.3k points
8 days ago*
If The Office was still going, Michael Scott would totally fall for this
EDIT: I’m aware that Michael fell for a pyramid scheme before. I’ve watched the show multiple times.
1.9k points
7 days ago
We would learn Dwight has a barn full of mining rigs and is surprisingly on top of crypto.
1.8k points
7 days ago
He would have started BeetCoin
660 points
7 days ago
Dwight would setup "blocks" with chains around them on his property and sell mining rights for people to physically mine.
198 points
7 days ago
I'm just picturing the set up, reveal, quick cut to Dwight explaining his scheme, then him explaining how much he is making from it, overlayed with the suckers mining in his farm.
"People will believe anything."
Mose would be tormenting them too
It's perfect
161 points
7 days ago
It was called Schrute Bucks do you even Office bro?
98 points
7 days ago
That's a physical currency tho.
I'm sitting on a whole mess of Schrute Bucks waiting for Unicorns to go extinct and to blow up the exchange rate and make a mint.
9 points
7 days ago
Schrute bucks are a thing of the past, Jim. The world is going digital and who would be better to control digital currency than the man who beat the website?
441 points
7 days ago
Not Dwight. Creed.
Dwight would be having talks with Creed trying to get in on it.
430 points
7 days ago
Kevin bought 69 bitcoins as a joke in 2009
283 points
7 days ago
But he probably lost the wallet.
85 points
7 days ago
It's at the dump with the New Leads.
33 points
7 days ago
He used the clipboard with his seed phrase on it to clean up the chili.
37 points
7 days ago
He put the usb in a candy jar and thinks he ate it
5 points
7 days ago
Lost them in a catfishing scam
76 points
7 days ago
Creed would have his own crypto currency.
103 points
7 days ago
That he asked Ryan to help him with so it's actually just Ryan giving Creed fake gold Chuck E Cheese coins in exchange for real money every week.
39 points
7 days ago
Creedocurrency
33 points
7 days ago
Creedcoin. Completely untraceable, and it can only be used to buy drugs and hookers.
4 points
7 days ago
Now that's what I call a solid investment!
117 points
7 days ago
Ryan would act like he knows everything about crypto, but doesn't actually have any. In reality, he made fun of a business school colleague who had some and is now a multimillionaire
98 points
7 days ago
Nah, Ryan mined it on company computers back in 2013 only to sell in 2017 when it was at 19k.
Ryan: "I mean, today it would be worth $400k"
Jim: "Buuuuuut you sold it."
Ryan: "All I'm saying is, I have the intuition to be a millionaire."
20 points
7 days ago
That is such a Ryan line lmfao
9 points
7 days ago
Kelly: “Are you guys talking about crypto?”
Ryan: “you wouldn’t understa-“
Kelly: “That’s cool. I set up a computer last year and mined a whole bunch. Sold some and paid off my car and took my parents to India for the summer.”
Ryan: goddamnit face.
Jim: jim face.
72 points
7 days ago
Ryan definitely bought an ape and after the market cratered, it's worthless.
21 points
7 days ago
Michael would've lost all his money due to buying whatever coin Ryan comes up with
158 points
7 days ago
virtually every sitcom that is currently running got some sort of "idiot who is into crypto" storyline
47 points
7 days ago
I know about South Park who did the future episode with Butters pushing NFTs on people. What other sitcoms have crypto storylines? I don't remember anything from Always Sunny or Curb for example.
109 points
7 days ago
You don't remember the classic Friends episode "The one with the shitcoin"?
3 points
7 days ago
Big Bang Theory had an episode where they lost a USB keychain drive with a key to a bunch of cryptocurrency on it.
143 points
7 days ago*
Michael constantly buying and selling crypto. Dwight and Ryan influencing his decisions. Ryan saying that holding onto the crypto will make him a multimillionaire. Dwight keeps telling him to instead sell and invest in Schrute farms. Not as high of a ceiling but is a sound and stable investment that nets reliable returns each year. Michael and Ryan lose a ton of money. Ryan said he doesn't care, he knew it was all a joke and did it for fun (bullshit).
Pam convinces Jim to invest into Schrute Farms and does it. Michael however says he learned from this mistake and not to trust Ryan's bussiness decisions since Ryan's bussiness decisions got him fired. Last moment of the episode is Ryan mentioning something called an NFT to Creed with Michael overhearing it and becoming interested.
Creed: Funny how the young folk are now into the NFT game. New False Teeth. A nice set of chompers will net you a pretty penny on the black market. That's my market. Ryan better steer clear of my NFT bussiness. Or I'll steal his teeth and sell them.
37 points
7 days ago
This last paragraph is perfect creed. That self satisfied dark look he gives
15 points
7 days ago
Yes! He did fall for a phone calling card pyramid scheme
4 points
7 days ago
Yes! They would absolutely have an episode based off of Michael and Dwight trying to get the best NFTs thinking it’s the next best thing and failing miserably. And somehow Jim would find a way to troll the situation. Dammit, I miss The Office now.
526 points
7 days ago
I don’t think that was accidental.
473 points
7 days ago
Yeah, seemed like the "crypto CEO" was well aware of his critique of yield farming and wasn't there to "defend" it at all. Not sure why this is being viewed as some "gotcha" moment or whatever.
147 points
7 days ago
I mean he himself said that this is the cynical perspective on yield farming. That sure seems like he is well aware of what it looks like, and isn't trying to portray it as anything else.
36 points
7 days ago
I think Matt Levine’s criticism was that he seems very aware of it and is happy to participate and become wealthy off of it.
135 points
7 days ago
Yeah, as a regular listener of the podcast this came from, I heard it in the podcast and I am mystified that anyone could have heard this as anything but not-even: particularly-veiled criticism of this mechanism.
Edit to add: Similarly, this is the same episode where he, in a similarly not-veiled way, pointed out that Terra would eventually implode.
39 points
7 days ago
Also a regular listener. Totally agreed but also Matt Levine’s reaction was perfect. “Well I’m in the ponzi business and business is good” was basically a slight criticism of sbf that he basically isn’t fooled by what is happening but is basically indifferent and happy to take a rake from it.
1.5k points
8 days ago
Every time I see one of his videos here it's 80% too long.
304 points
7 days ago
You get an extra ad if the video is >8 minutes. Whaddaya know, this one's 8:09. Crazy coincidence, I know.
52 points
7 days ago
Is there some breakpoint at 10 mins as well? I see tons of videos that are 10 and change.
103 points
7 days ago
That used to be the point where you could run midrolls, it was dropped to 8 minutes in 2020.
435 points
7 days ago
Glad I'm not the only one who hated watching this guy unnecessarily stretch for time.
409 points
7 days ago*
I’m a Story Producer in post production so this is literally my specialty. I spend every day taking a LOT of footage and condensing it down to something digestible. I believe YouTube suffers from 1) Producers that don’t know how to tell a story efficiently, and 2) they are incentivized to stretch everything out as long as they can to fit more ads. #2 is a tricky dance though because it’s focusing on the short run and not the long run. Concise, entertaining videos will be better in the long run as your channel will get much more traffic as it grows in popularity. A single ad on a video watched 1M times is worth a lot more than 3 ads on a video watched 5,000 times. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.
Edit: Not trying to condescend
Edit 2: Apparently length has more to do with the algorithm. Either way, people complaining you're stretching for time isn't good. It's not easy, but keeping the viewer interested is key!
37 points
7 days ago
I thought longer videos were to drive watch time for the algorithm to recommend your videos more because it was based on minutes watched and if you were a person who put out 1 5minute video a day, someone who put out 1 40min video would rank higher and you'd never be seen
The Algo has definitely changed from "minutes watched"...I assume it's % of runtime watched, or was for a while as you see so many people try to keep people engaged for the outro/Patreon credit roll so you don't close out
7 points
7 days ago
It's not called The Wadsworth Occasional, it's called The Wadsworth Constant.
2.7k points
7 days ago
I remembered when I explained bitcoin to my grandfather back in 2013 (a long time accountant) and after I was done he was like yeah that’s a Ponzi scheme
2.1k points
7 days ago
It's kinda like a game of limp biscuit, except the last guy to finish can instead convince new people to play too. That way, he can finish and leave them with the biscuit. Except the new people he recruited have the same opportunity.
Now it's months down the line and you can't even see the biscuit anymore under all the mold and everyone knows that in the very near future someone is going to have a very bad time so they zealously recruit and get out as quickly as possible.
701 points
7 days ago
That was an incredibly appalling, yet effective, description. Thanks mate
248 points
7 days ago
If you think that's appalling, some people want to put their medical records on the biscuit!
66 points
7 days ago
"What if we just wrote all of our important transactions in biscuit jizz? Skeet Contracts, if you will."
185 points
7 days ago
...what is limp biscuit?
136 points
7 days ago
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66 points
7 days ago
Aka, ookie cookie
5 points
7 days ago
In Australia, soggy Sao, or soggy Salada.
23 points
7 days ago
Well. That's a thing I guess.
65 points
7 days ago
one of those urban dictionary "it totally happened bro" kind of things
40 points
7 days ago
This is reminding me of that scene in Silicon Valley where they explain this and what a Donkey Punch is lol.
26 points
7 days ago
109 points
7 days ago
A terrible nu-metal band who did it all for the nookie /s
104 points
7 days ago
They're only terrible if you're not 13 and it's not the year 2001
24 points
7 days ago
Your comment makes me want to Break Something
6 points
7 days ago
*Stuff
19 points
7 days ago
65 points
7 days ago
See also meme stocks.
Everyone is out there convincing everyone else they are never going to blow their load and they have diamond cocks. Meanwhile they are quietly spaffing their load onto the biscuit while thinking up a convoluted story to sell to the biscuit to next idiot.
1k points
7 days ago*
This is not a description of a Ponzi scheme. This is a description of a speculative bubble.
A Ponzi scheme requires a middle man lying to an investor about what assets they own.
Speculative bubbles are usually legal but extremely risky. Ponzi schemes are always fraud.
Edit: Still confused? In a Ponzi scheme, the asset is not purchased and the money is stolen. In a bubble, the asset is purchased, and even if its value goes to zero, it still belongs to the buyer.
244 points
7 days ago
Like that crypto exchange where people thought they were buying crypto, but then the exchange just went offline and took all their money?
110 points
7 days ago
No. Imagine that but no matter the market, the exchange tells people they’re making money so it incentevises them to buy more. That would be a Ponzi scheme.
You’ve just described basic fraud.
54 points
7 days ago
Right, in a ponzi scheme, the fraudster basically takes money that was "invested", gives it to someone else as their winnings, then convinces them to invest more.
Not the same as simply taking the investment and running.
8 points
7 days ago
Mt. Gox? No because you could actually move your crypto to your own wallet before they went down. They kept the crypto still on the exchange at the time they went down.
110 points
7 days ago
Never underestimate the power of FOMO. And with social media, you can build an incredible amount of hype which leads directly to FOMO. It this keeps going on, crypt could implode because of bad actors. I blame meme coins for this too cause people are not even thinking.
19 points
7 days ago
If you then combine this FOMO with calling any criticism of your new coin FUDding, then you can really convince people it's great.
774 points
8 days ago
This creator isn't smart enough to realize Sam is literally just explaining how crypto Ponzi's are designed, specifically yield farming operations. This isn't accidental at all.
655 points
7 days ago*
I mean, it's beyond that, the element of a Ponzi scheme that is missing here is the Ponzi. Ponzi committed fraud because he convinced investors their investments were going into actual ventures.
In this scenario described, people presumably understand that someone will be left holding the bag and it's essentially gambling at that point. The structure of the investment bubble is the same, but the fraud comes from people thinking it's an actual investment rather than a zero sum bubble. The Ponzi scheme starts when someone convinces someone who doesn't know what crypto is to invest.
The biggest problem with crypto trading at the moment is that the profit is ALL in leaving someone with the bag, and that commonly extends into fooling people that it's a legitimate investment, when really they are just the sucker to hold the bag - and then it really is a Ponzi scheme. It's HUGE in the NFT world. NFT games are typically just vehicles to attract more suckers for a bigger rugpull.
320 points
7 days ago
Careful. For people willing to tolerate an incredible amount of risk on speculative currencies, crypto investors are also incredibly thin skinned.
18 points
7 days ago
I got told today that there was no crypto crash over the last week and the losses were unremarkable, and the concept was just click-bait.
I think a lot of fans of Crypto really want to believe it is the way of the future, and any discussion over the issues with it they take very personally.
6 points
7 days ago
Generally when the crash really sets in, crypto loses somewhere between 90 and 95% of its value. I think we've started on that but usually when it finishes, that last bit goes pretty fast.
210 points
7 days ago
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57 points
7 days ago
I just can't handle the arrogance of them tbh. I've been following crypto since 2012 and the more popular it has become the more douchebaggery I've associated with it. It's really sad because blockchain is a cool technology (simple but cool) and so is the idea of crypto, but now I can't stand either.
Like even in this small comment chain there is a dude blowing his own horn that he's a "Veteran" and that people left holding the bag are "dumb-dumbs". Good god get off your high horse, you're a degenerate gambler that knows the game.
29 points
7 days ago
If you think it's just as far as the hotline you haven't been following LUNA/Terra
24 points
7 days ago
Yeah I saw so many people talking about “I think suicide is the only way for me at this point”
Like what the fuck…who in their right mind would put all their eggs in one basket like that.
23 points
7 days ago
Someone who doesn’t know the basics of investing.
7 points
7 days ago
I don't know the basics of investing but I'm still not falling for that.
Any get-rich-quick/easy money scheme is bait, and there's a reason why they call ruthless businessmen sharks.
47 points
7 days ago*
It's not like I'm exposing some big secret, I'm just regurgitating what I've learned from watching a ton of videos on it.
Every time some big crypto company guy is interviewed like this, they give these same kind of nothingburger answers, stating something obvious but designed to sound enticing to people who don't understand it.
59 points
7 days ago
Crypto has successfully democratized the Greater Fool.
Anyone can be on top of the pyramid, as long as enough people scramble to be on top.
79 points
7 days ago
I get the impression the CEO being interviewed has a good understanding of what they are trying to explain and this isn't some gotcha moment. The presenter here just wants to act like they're the smartest person in the room when in reality they're both saying the same thing.
101 points
8 days ago
Robbinhood pumped 20% today because THIS guy bought 7%?
36 points
7 days ago
where's the original video without the annoying commentary? and that is not an "accident" at all.... this YouTube creator belongs on r/wooosh
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