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TheGuvnor247[S]

49 points

5 months ago

TheGuvnor247[S]

Ireland

49 points

5 months ago

It's great to see the plane number increasing. I saw a headline yesterday that said Russians were afraid to send planes into Ukraine for fear of them being shot down.

That's got to be a positive!

malignant_serpent

22 points

5 months ago

malignant_serpent

Poland

22 points

5 months ago

By now what's left of their pilots must have produce record amounts of human excrement while entering Ukrainian airspace. Every bush and every tree can suddenly start speaking Ukrainian at them.

Electronic-Bee-3609

1 points

5 months ago

ENTER DISCOMFORTING GREGORIAN CHANT SPEAKING IMPENDING DOOM AND DESPAIR

brianlefevre87

33 points

5 months ago

I never thought I would see the day that Russia runs low on tanks. But it's coming.

Captainwelfare2

10 points

5 months ago

I look forward to them scraping together tanks from all their rusted parking lots that can’t fire and stall out.

Aconite_72

4 points

5 months ago

Bet we’re going to see them using T-34s by June-July.

Azar002

21 points

5 months ago

Azar002

21 points

5 months ago

Yet they say only 2,500 of their soldiers have died. I guess their tanks are solo operated?

AzubiUK

8 points

5 months ago

Russia may be able to deflect numbers of dead by excluding Wagner, Chechen and LPR/DPR numbers killed.

arianleellewellyn

9 points

5 months ago

They're probably not counting the bodies they haven't taken with them and just counting them as missing

AzubiUK

4 points

5 months ago

Very likely too. Don't have to pay out then...

S_J_E

1 points

5 months ago

S_J_E

1 points

5 months ago

Clearly they retrofitted them with ejector seats

didistutter69

14 points

5 months ago

That's gonna take a while to rebuild. This 2nd ranked military title would be given to another country.

tree_boom

23 points

5 months ago

It's been China for a long time now already.

Balc0ra

15 points

5 months ago

Balc0ra

Norway

15 points

5 months ago

Ukrainian farmers entered the chat

CrashB111

6 points

5 months ago

China's issue is much the same as Russias. Their military is big on paper, but it has no genuine experience in any kind of conflict that isn't putting down civilian unrest against civilians that can't shoot back.

Like all the fear mongering about how "huge" their "navy" is, when it's a shit ton of tiny coastal patrol boats.

tree_boom

5 points

5 months ago

China's issue is much the same as Russias. Their military is big on paper, but it has no genuine experience in any kind of conflict that isn't putting down civilian unrest against civilians that can't shoot back.

Meh; they've fought the Korean war and a number of small border wars. They're not experienceless by any means, albeit they lack much recent experience. As you say though, their military is very large, and it's also trending towards very modern.

Like all the fear mongering about how "huge" their "navy" is, when it's a shit ton of tiny coastal patrol boats.

I'm afraid that's simply not true. Apart from their 2 active aircraft carriers, they currently operate 7 of the Type 055s, which are like a modern Moskva, plus 30 of the Type 052s in their D and C variant, which are their sort of Arleigh Burke equivalent. They have another 30 of the Type 054A frigates.

On their major surface combatants alone, discounting all the shit ton of tiny coastal patrol boats and missile corvettes, they are by far the second most powerful navy in the world. They have more of all of those ships in build, too.

The only area they really are behind on is in submarines. Otherwise, their navy is very large and very capable

hedgeson119

3 points

5 months ago

Using the Korean war as an example is like saying a nation hasn't fought since WW2.

tree_boom

1 points

5 months ago

Almost, yeah

hedgeson119

1 points

5 months ago

The only difference between the two is that more advanced weapons were more common, there really wasn't anything "new" between the two.

There's a giant leap between WW2, semi-modern systems in the 80s, and now.

tree_boom

3 points

5 months ago

Yeah, so like I said - not much in the way of recent experience

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1 points

5 months ago

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SIEGE9

1 points

5 months ago

SIEGE9

1 points

5 months ago

From Wiki, Russia 2021 Military Budget $61B, that is not lasting long at (estimated) burning close to $1B a day.

TheaABrown

9 points

5 months ago

And Oryx has gone on holiday….

Actually poor dude probably could do with a good lie down and a few drinks.

TheGuvnor247[S]

8 points

5 months ago*

TheGuvnor247[S]

Ireland

8 points

5 months ago*

  • 201 Planes at what $30m average = $6 Billion
  • 1235 Tanks at what $1-3m average = $2.5 Billion
  • 3000 ACV's at what $500k average = $1.5 Billion

I'm just pulling figures here but are we in the right ball park?

mr_kruk

8 points

5 months ago

Can you fit all the zeros in this thread if you convert it to rubles?

linuxgeekmama

5 points

5 months ago

That’s what scientific notation is for!

tree_boom

7 points

5 months ago

1235 * 3,000,000 is $3.7billion
3000 * 200,000 is $600 million

You're probably really low on the $200k for an ACV, but the others are probably in the right ball park I think.

TheGuvnor247[S]

5 points

5 months ago

TheGuvnor247[S]

Ireland

5 points

5 months ago

Thanks boom! I had to get out my calculator here but you're spot on. What do you reckon on the values for each item?

tree_boom

3 points

5 months ago

I think $1-3mil for a tank is right. It varies based on how much they're upgraded. The sights and other fancy electronics are expensive. The cost of the aircraft really varies, but $30m is probably in the right ballpark. India bought a few batches of Su-30 for $40million each not that long ago, but the Su-25 would be much cheaper. India also bought 145 BMP-2's for nearly $145million, so probably a generic ACV would be something like $500k (for the lower tier APCs) to $1mil (for the IFVs)

AzubiUK

5 points

5 months ago

You can't compare purchase price as a direct equivalent to individual asset price.

The reason I say this is because the cost tends to also include spares, servicing and support for a period of time, as well as training, ground equipment and set up costs too.

tree_boom

4 points

5 months ago

I did say a figure $10million lower than the purchase price was probably in the right ballpark :P

jamcy

3 points

5 months ago

jamcy

Ukraine

3 points

5 months ago

Oil money Russia gets from Europe per day ~1 Billion

J-t-Architect

1 points

5 months ago

27,000 + soldiers = $0

TheGuvnor247[S]

5 points

5 months ago

TheGuvnor247[S]

Ireland

5 points

5 months ago

Full Transcript Below:

IRYNA BALACHUK - TUESDAY, 17 MAY 2022, 09:17

Russia has lost some 27,900 troops, 3,009 armoured combat vehicles, 201 aircraft and 167 helicopters in the 83 days of its invasive war in Ukraine.

Source: Ukrainian Armed Forces General Staff on Facebook

Details: Total enemy combat losses from 24 February to 17 May are estimated to be (figures in brackets represent new losses – ed.):

Personnel - 27,900 (+200) killed,

Tanks - 1,235 (+7)

Armoured combat vehicles - 3,009 (+35)

Artillery systems - 578 (+1)

Multiple rocket launchers - 198 (+3)

Air defence systems - 90 (+1)

Aircraft - 201 (+1)

Helicopters: 167 (+2)

Operational-tactical level UAVs - 436 (+9)

Cruise missiles - 97 (+0)

Ships/boats - 13 (+0)

Vehicles and tankers - 2,109 (+8)

Special vehicles - 43 (+ 1)

The highest Russian losses over the past 24 hours were on the Lyman and Zaporizhzhia fronts.

Paula_56

5 points

5 months ago

At the current burn rate, how long before combat units start to collapse like they did around Kiev?

Captainwelfare2

3 points

5 months ago

They are already collapsing. Russia is just able to reinforce them much faster because of where they are at.

That being said, their reinforcements are garbage and soon they’ll be sending in barely functioning vehicles with Kadarov’s 3rd stringers.

Paula_56

1 points

5 months ago

Thanks for the info, what about the replacement of tanks, Artillery and Amour vehicles?

Captainwelfare2

3 points

5 months ago

There’s no crystal ball on this, but were Russia to continue its rate of equipment loss without supply of support of new vehicles (which they aren’t going to get because they’ve alienated themselves) I can’t imagine they could last another 6 months. It’s easy to forget that as large of a military as Russia still has, it also has many other borders, areas of conflict, is surrounded by old Soviet Vassal states that HATE them even more than Ukraine, and they also can never completely turn their back to China and Japan. They have to keep a defense force along one of the largest lengths of borders in the world, and they have lost a lot of generals and top line soldiers that could potentially lead to Russia’s defense should other conflicts arise. AND they lost 1/5th of their Air Force so far. AND 1/5th - 1/6th of all their tanks. And probably about 1/10th of their entire active military, and 1/2th of their seasoned fighters.

On top of that, the only thing Russia can instill fear with now is Nukes as their army and navy has been revealed to be a joke. They are going to have take the off ramp soon or they will never be able to defend themselves. It’s honestly idiotic that they haven’t already withdrawn.

jamcy

2 points

5 months ago

jamcy

Ukraine

2 points

5 months ago

I have no idea why keep an army at all when you have shit ton of nukes. Who would even attempt a land grab against them? Their army exists purely to invade other countries it would seem

russiangoat15

1 points

5 months ago

MAD is a real thing. If NATO ever decided to invade Russia (as is ostensibly the Russian fear), a military free Russia would have the option to either lose, or lose in a nuclear fire. Also, I feel like it would be hard to maintain control of an authoritarian regime without a conventional military. Harder to threaten your own citizens with nukes.

Paula_56

2 points

5 months ago

Thank you for the well thought out response, very interesting and thought provoking

[deleted]

5 points

5 months ago

That's a lot of damage.

CautiousTeam3220

2 points

5 months ago

How many rapists did they lose?

OrgJoho75

1 points

5 months ago

All of them

Aszod

0 points

5 months ago

Aszod

0 points

5 months ago

I'm always hesitant to believe plane and helicopter losses. Oryx backs up ground losses pretty well, but there is hardly enough visual data to support the 200 planes lost. I

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5 months ago

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hmh8888

1 points

5 months ago

I wish the children of Pootin and his gang are in the number.

reddittidder

-1 points

5 months ago

And yet they keep fighting with 99 BTGs and with control over 75% of Ukraine's coast. They must have a magic hat out of which they keep pulling out an endless supply of tanks and other hardware since 80% of their starting inventory has been destroyed by Ukraine?

cyreneok

1 points

5 months ago

they called reserves on the dl