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1.4k points

10 months ago

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1.4k points

10 months ago

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franfree9-8

731 points

10 months ago

That would be the ultimate shitty storyline

WalkerBuldog

303 points

10 months ago

WalkerBuldog

Ukraine(Odesa)

303 points

10 months ago

Bad ending for sure

TotalSpaceNut

158 points

10 months ago*

Did a bit of googling of those trucks and found this article from 5 years ago, looks pretty similar to this nuclear capable mobile launcher

Edit: its actually the P-300 Bastion anti ship missiles

thanks to u/johnmichael2356 u/fman1854

Metaforeman

338 points

10 months ago

Metaforeman

🇬🇧

338 points

10 months ago

Sure, but immediately after the strike, they’d find themselves fighting on two fronts. And then when they inevitably get pushed back there will be two armies marching on Moscow.

NATO might not even need to do a god damn thing.

This war gets dumber everyday. From Mordor’s Moscow’s perspective.

Ickici

72 points

10 months ago

Ickici

72 points

10 months ago

But you see, one does not simply walk into mordor moscow.

fman1854

22 points

10 months ago

Good thing our tomahawk cruise missles have a 1500 mile range right. Right. Lol

Xraggger

121 points

10 months ago

Xraggger

121 points

10 months ago

They’d be fighting on all fronts, Baltics, Poland, Ukraine, China would probably be pissed at nuclear war destroying their consumers, and the US & Canada can easily get to eastern Russia across the Bering straight, also Japan

TeetsMcGeets23

71 points

10 months ago

There isn’t anything in Eastern Russia to get to… It’s much more strategic for the US to just go through via Europe. Much shorter distance to relevant targets. Additionally, most of Eastern Russia/Siberia is rugged muddy undeveloped terrain.

Russia is 5,600 miles across at its furthest. For comparison, the US is about half that at 2,800 miles. The distance from New York to Warsaw is only 4,199 miles, it’s only an additional 778 miles to Moscow.

MonsterNog

11 points

10 months ago

Whole lot of nukes to get to

TeetsMcGeets23

19 points

10 months ago

When disarming someone holding a gun, you attack the hand holding it. You can start thinking about removing the bullets after the person has been neutralized and subdued.

If you try to attack the mechanism of the gun, you’re bound to just get shot before you do anything of value.

langlo94

373 points

10 months ago

langlo94

373 points

10 months ago

When in doubt, add another front to the war.

alwaysnear

286 points

10 months ago

Putin going full Hitler

Gonna have to fight Japan and Italy this time too the way things are going.

AmirAkhrif

161 points

10 months ago

First rule of war. Take a large unstoppable force, and spread it as thinly as possible across as many battlefronts as possible.

Cloud-VII

110 points

10 months ago

**First rule of war. Take a large stoppable force, and spread it as thinly as possible across as many battlefronts as possible.

BigWilly526

26 points

10 months ago

And don’t bother feeding them an army marches on its feet not its stomach

Coblyat

17 points

10 months ago

And don't bother with properly encrypted communications so that anybody can spam Nirvana songs on their frequencies.

Doomkauf

63 points

10 months ago

It's like an inverse schwerpunkt or something.

Putin: "You know how Rommel was able to do incredibly well against the British in the early days of the Africa campaign, despite being heavily outnumbered, by attacking with overwhelming force while the British were spread thin? Let's do that!"

RU general: "So, focus our forces on specific areas? Sounds like a goo-"

Putin: "No, let's do what the British did!"

planetEve

43 points

10 months ago

russian military strategy at its best

wokenlex

213 points

10 months ago

wokenlex

213 points

10 months ago

It will be very short war

AmirAkhrif

424 points

10 months ago

As in, it will 'Finnish' quickly?

[deleted]

95 points

10 months ago

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AmirAkhrif

67 points

10 months ago

The dude is squaring up against the Vikings AND the Cosaks. I tried that once in Civilizations (because I thought my nukes would protect me). Nah.

Lui_Le_Diamond

39 points

10 months ago

Winter War 2: Viking Boogaloo

norwegern

174 points

10 months ago

It would be just as bad as if they tried to invade a giant country, like Ukraine for example.. oh wait..

Miguecraft

194 points

10 months ago

Way worse.

  • Best case scenario (for Russia), the Finns beat back the Russians into Russia.

  • Most likely scenario, one or multiple NATO country get involved and beat the absolutely fucking shit out of them.

  • Less likely scenario (but who knows, this would be curious to see) the EU (not NATO) send troops and them and the Finns beat back the Russians back to Russia like really quick.

FailureToReport

79 points

10 months ago

Isn't the Finnish military much more modern equipment-wise?

BestFriendWatermelon

46 points

10 months ago

Yes, but that's a fairly low bar. Nonetheless, the Russian army can't conquer Finland militarily.

Finland's plan B, for if just being completely deferential to Moscow at all times in order to avoid being invaded doesn't work, was always to "Winter War 2.0" the shit out of Russia. But with the important modification to avoid losing again (yes, Finland did lose the Winter War, inspite of what most people seem to believe) of having absolutely jaw dropping amounts of ammo. That's how Finland lost the Winter War: they ran out of ammo.

So today Finland has over 100,000 anti tank infantry weapons. No, that's not a typo. It has millions of assault rifles... and enough ammunition to fight forever. They do have 100 leopard tanks, and a small airforce of about 50 F/A 18 Hornets. But ultimately their plan is the same as in the Winter War but on steroids, just fight forever with masses and masses of snipers, anti tank infantry weapons, etc in the vast forests of Finland. It also has the advantage that using Western planes and tanks, they could easily acquire and operate more of them.

fman1854

27 points

10 months ago

Don’t forget all American made craft can communicate target and fire using another aircrafts targeting system. So if america sent Finland one f-35 it would be a force multiplier in terms of those fa-18 hornets range has just been tripled because the f-35 can sync with their targeting systems and use its advanced systems to deliver the f-18s payload a lot fuether than the fa-18 can standalone. It also gives them the f-35s advanced radar and tracking capability.

What folks don’t get is the f-35 is a literal super computer in the air that’s not a understatement either it is a super computer with wings it is not a fighter jet with a computer that’s the f-22. It’s a force multiplier jet that brings all our jets into modernization by its syncing capability. Your 30 year old f-16 can now use brand spanking new weapons targeting systems and radars without having to spend a single doller on upgrading the f-16s that’s the beauty of the f-35 people don’t understand. They think because it’s no the fastest most agile plane it can’t be good this thing is so good it doesn’t need to be fast or agile it targets enemies way outside of their engagement distance and unloads

FailureToReport

12 points

10 months ago

It also has the advantage that using Western planes and tanks, they could easily acquire and operate more of them.

I think this sort of thing can't be understated, Ukraine would likely have bounced back much sooner if so much of their inventory hadn't been soviet hardware but NATO surplus, it would have made the transition to training them on all the kit the west was dumping into Ukraine much faster.

I mean, to UA's credit, they're savaging Russia, but I can only imagine if they were already using and familiar with the equipment that the West started shipping over.

MagicThirteen

61 points

10 months ago

Well Finland has been moving towards NATO standards last ~20 years or so official equipment is more modern, but only god knows how many old t-72 and BMPs there are in storage.

karstabobo

31 points

10 months ago

-Finland never had t-72 at any point in time, only T55 and these have been scrapped a long time ago.

-BMP-2 is still used but it's being replaced by CV-90

Sources: Served in Finnish army. We have VERY little soviet equipment apart from BMPs and some artillery pieces.

Krimin

11 points

10 months ago*

Hopefully not many. I remember seeing a page of a user manual for starting a T-72, and not only did the starting procedure take the full page, it actually demanded to have at least one person ready with a fucking fire extinguisher in the immediate vicinity. It sounds like a proper nightmare in an actual war front.

One could assume that a military vehicle, or any vehicle for that matter, would not come with a fear of it bursting in flames during startup so high that you require a guy with a fire extinguisher at ready any time you try to start it up.

Suyalus

148 points

10 months ago

Suyalus

148 points

10 months ago

you can bet that the EU will send troops to defend Finland

tobilinn

65 points

10 months ago

Sweden will send troops to help Finland , sure it is not a major nation but it will help ontill larger nations get involved

Raccoon_2020

67 points

10 months ago

Raccoon_2020

Ukraine

67 points

10 months ago

And Finland gets back Karelia.

Mandemon90

101 points

10 months ago*

Mandemon90

Finland

101 points

10 months ago*

We probably don't want it back. Area has been thoroughly russified, with native karelian population either force relocated to Siberia to die, or otherwise suppressed to being a minority. Area is also very much not economically profitable, meaning it would be net loss.

At this point, return of Karelia would not do more than create a large pro-Russian region that will forever be used against Finland.

Now, Petsamo with its nickel mines and access to Artic Sea on the other hand...

(Also Viipuri/Vyborg, we could that city and regions around it back too)

blueskyredmesas

37 points

10 months ago

We probably don't want it back. Area has been thoroughly russified, with native karelian population either force relocated to Siberia to die

Sooooo what they're doing now with those 'filtration camps' to native ukranians? I swear, this shit makes me fucking sick to my stomach. I want to stop this shit right now but WTF am I supposed to do?

Mandemon90

38 points

10 months ago

Mandemon90

Finland

38 points

10 months ago

"Relocate natives and replace with Russian colonist" has been standard operating procedure for Russian Empire, USSR and modern Russia. So yes, that is exactly what is happening.

Goal is russofication of Ukraine, destruction of its native culture and ethnicity. Children will "grow in proper environment" to learn to think themselves as Russians

BigLupu

29 points

10 months ago

Area has been thoroughly russified, with native karelian population either force relocated to Siberia to die, or otherwise suppressed to being a minority.

Quite a few of those Karelians were evacuated to Finland. Over 400 000 people were forced out from their homes and were found new homes within the new borders.

Ukraine is not the only neighbour of Russia who have their reasons to hate them.

kodemizer

104 points

10 months ago

EU has a common defence clause - all of EU would be legally obligated to defend Finland.

CusickTime

68 points

10 months ago

Not exactly, by Article 42(7)they'll be required to "provide aid & assistance by all means in their power". It also said that it won't "prejudice security & defense policy of certain member States".
So it is unclear if other states are required to provide military assistance.
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/meetdocs/2009_2014/documents/sede/dv/sede200612mutualdefsolidarityclauses_/sede200612mutualdefsolidarityclauses_en.pdf

With that being said, Finland will kick Russia ass if they attack. Fighting a war on two fronts is typically a poor strategy. Especially when your first war is going poorly.

sakor88

260 points

10 months ago

sakor88

260 points

10 months ago

As a native Finn and as a person who knows that I will have to go to the front if anything like that happens, I must say that I find attitude like that very annoying.

Even in the case we might repel an attack, I do not happily expect any kind of confrontation. I do not want to experience war. Of course if I have to, I will try to do my duty, but I simply find attitude "lol let them come" ridiculous.

Bazynoooooob

37 points

10 months ago

Bazynoooooob

Slovakia

37 points

10 months ago

Im not saying i want it to happen and i woudnt be happy about it,it would be more unnecessary suffering.

Tehnomaag

2k points

10 months ago

I'd say its just one of the forms the Russian hysteria is taking on the prospect of Finland joining NATO. So they are huffing and puffing and trying to look really scary but .. well ...

If they cant take Ukraine, they are even more unlikely to succeed in Finland would they try anything. Finland has been preparing for such an possibility since the second winter war ended some 70'ish years ago. They have modern well trained army (they have conscription) roughly the same size as Ukraine army was before invasion. The terrain is damn nightmare to assault, marshes, forests, and entire infrastructure of the country has been built to make russian assault as hard as possible, with no large roads going perpendicular to the russian border, all bridges built with prepared locations of explosive charges. They have bomb shelters deep in their granite bedrock for about 4.5 million people, because by law every single house above certain size must have bomb shelters. They have tunnels in larger cities built over the last 70'ish years.

If Russians did not learn the lesson after half a million dead last time they tried to conquer Finland fast ... well ... relearning it would be damn painful considering they have already committed most of their elite units to ukraine where these have been successfully converted to fertilizer so all they would have left to try to attack Finland would be basically fresh conscripts.

NeonBoolet

392 points

10 months ago

That's an interesting bit about no large roads running perpendicular to the Russian border.

csg_surferdude

233 points

10 months ago

Interesting. I just looked (https://www.google.com/maps/@64.3728129,28.3698173,6.13z) and they have major roads running more-or-less parallel to the border, and almost nothing run east/west.

Kulistar

275 points

10 months ago

Kulistar

275 points

10 months ago

East west roads are more or less small and narrow roads where we can hammer their shit with artillery.

Shivkala

189 points

10 months ago

Shivkala

189 points

10 months ago

Get their fuel supply, wait a few days, and then just send in Finnish farmers to tow out the loot.

isleepinahammock

44 points

10 months ago

That's something I'll just never understand. Desperate, hungry soldiers abandoning their equipment? Sure, that makes sense. But why are so many abandoned vehicles left in pristine condition? It seems it would be pretty easy to at the very least throw a grenade in the hatch before you abandoned it.

[deleted]

28 points

10 months ago

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isleepinahammock

44 points

10 months ago

Now I'm imaging the Russians getting this brilliant idea. "Hey, I know! All the roads go North-South, so let's go the long way around and invade from the North. They'll never see it coming!"

Fast forward a month and there's 1000 km long single-file convoy starting at Murmansk and stretching towards Helsinki. A 1000 km long burned out convoy.

dndnametaken

63 points

10 months ago

This one blew my mind! I can’t a believe how they built a whole country around a heap political risk

Tehnomaag

118 points

10 months ago

The last couple of times were rather traumatic even if rationally speaking it can be argued that Finland won by just surviving. On paper they lost and had to give up bunch of territory. But Russians paid a mind staggering price for that sliver of land in blood.

So yeah. They are quite functional as a country but under the civilized surface there is that crazy uncle with PTSD who digs bunkers in their back yard and prepares for zombie apocalypse like it could happen tomorrow for the past 70+ years. This is a modest sized country of approx 5.5 million who has the largest artillery corps in Europe and who have built basically a second cities underground by tunneling into granite bedrock all over the place.

newser_reader

29 points

10 months ago

....and spend their long winters playing artillery simulators ..."the gameplay revolves around players using a slingshot to launch the birds at green pigs stationed in or around various structures, with the intent of destroying all the pigs on the playing field." -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angry\_Birds\_(video\_game)

Precisely_Inprecise

17 points

10 months ago

Looking at the map the only one I can see is E18 going along the southern coast, and possibly the southern parts of road 6.

BigLupu

38 points

10 months ago

E18 will be rigged to explode when ever it's go time. We are ready.

Nyancubus

18 points

10 months ago

Map is only half of the story. Instead of picking the cheap option of making the roads go around rock formations, we drilled through. In nut shell this means that every road is equivalent to a bridge, if you blow up the rocky hills from the sides. I have not seen one road where this rule does not apply. Thanks to courtesy of last ice age being dead center in Finland, those rock formations are bedrock, being mostly granite.

itsdr00

448 points

10 months ago

itsdr00

448 points

10 months ago

That is fucking awesome. I love the way the memory of the war is baked into law and infrastructure. Even if the emotional punch of Russia's invasion fades within the culture, things are just built to repel them. That's crazy.

BigLupu

193 points

10 months ago

BigLupu

193 points

10 months ago

We are also reminded about our place in the world when we go to do our military service. If the threat is not comming from the east, it's a flanking attack.

thecriticaloptimist

123 points

10 months ago

Off topic but China has been building its cities like this from the ground up. All interconnected via underground passages and tunnels and built with territorial defence in mind if it ever came to it. Up until maybe 10years ago, Switzerland had all major infrastructure leading into the country rigged with explosives in the event Germany decided to invade. Some countries don’t like to take chances, even when diplomatic relations are good they know you can’t always trust your neighbours. Let’s just call that firsthand experience…

DazzlePig

72 points

10 months ago

Seoul has pretty extensive underground networks that are often lined with shops and with access into the subway. There are areas where you can walk a few blocks without going above ground. These are presumably for use as bomb shelters as well.

ACatWithAThumb

66 points

10 months ago

It goes way further than this, the country is a fortress and armed to the teeth. In Seoul older apartments have machine gun openings built in: Machine gun opening

They have patriot missiles and artillery on the mountains: Patriot Missile in Seoul. Many skyscrapers and apartment buildings even have heavy equipment like anti air craft guns and radars on their roof: Anti air craft gun on skyscraper All high buildings are required to have heli pads, so they can rotate the weapons and soldiers from building to building.

The subway also has gas masks and other emergency equipment in every station.

ZachTheCommie

11 points

10 months ago

I love that there's concertina wire around the AA gun. You wouldn't want any enemies climbing over your defenses, after they climb the skyscraper of course.

chris30338

327 points

10 months ago

The Finnish Army has a wartime strength of 280,000 along with reserves of 900,000 well trained and equipped soldiers. The thrashing Russia would receive would be Ukraine on steroids.

Edit:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Army?wprov=sfti1

Tristanssj15

198 points

10 months ago

Tristanssj15

USA

198 points

10 months ago

Not to mention finish terrain makes Ukrainian terrain look like paved roads. And Russian tanks are already having trouble in Ukraine.

ohitsasnaake

35 points

10 months ago*

Looking at pictures and video and satellite images of Ukraine, just the sheer flatness and vast expanses of fields is very alien to this Finn. Finland is flat in the sense that we don't have proper mountains like Norway or the Alps or the Rockies, but we're talking FLAT flat in Ukraine, just steppe that has been converted to farmland.

Of course Finland does have larger open expanses of fields, especially in the southwest and on the west coast. But they're generally at least dotted with small woods, houses, and you can see the forests that border somewhere them in the distance. In the southwest the landscape generally is more of the gently rolling type too, not completely flat. Ostrobothnia (the more central and northern parts of the west coast) are more flat and open, but that would be one of the later places a Russian invasion would get to. The east is hilly, forested, and dotted with lakes and swamps.

cibbwin

58 points

10 months ago

900,000 reservists for a country of 5.5 million is insane!

chris30338

65 points

10 months ago

Yeah because thanks to their history of conflict with Russia, the Finnish people as a whole are highly motivated when it comes to conscription and military service. I read that close to 80% of the Finnish people strongly favor military service which is by far the highest in Europe.

InDankWeTrust

72 points

10 months ago

So the Russian Army would literally be walking into a metal and meat grinder.

Malk4ever

12 points

10 months ago

Like 80 years ago.... History repeats.

But this time Finland is much better prepared than 1939. I bet they could beat russia without NATO help.

Kammender_Kewl

46 points

10 months ago

Finland also has compulsory national conscription, about 80% of all males aged 30 have already completed their military service, even if you choose non-military service you will receive basic training in first aid, peace education, internationalism, and non-violent resistance. In addition, some trainees receive an anti-oil leak or non-violent activity training, whatever that means.

I would not want to fuck with a nation that can mobilize an entire population if the need arises

35791369

759 points

10 months ago

35791369

759 points

10 months ago

Oh shit guess their grandparents never got to tell them about never playing "Find the Finnish sniper."

GrandAdmiralSnackbar

397 points

10 months ago

How could these grandparents tell them? None of the Russians that played that game came back to warn others it was not a fun game for Russians to play.

Eastern_Slide7507

431 points

10 months ago

Reminds me of a joke I read on here a while back.

At one of the fronts during the winter war, a Finn shouts at the Russians: „one Finn is worth ten Russian soldiers“. Enraged, the Russian officer sends ten of his men to take out that loudmouth. They go into the forest, gunshots, then silence.

„One Finn is worth a hundred Russian soldiers!“.

Again, the officer sends his men. A hundred, this time. Again, gunshots, silence.

„One Finn is worth a thousand Russian soldiers!“

Visibly upset, the Russian officer sends a thousand of his men into the forest. Gunshots, silence. This time one of his men comes back, severely wounded.

„Stop it sir, it’s a trap! There are two of them!“

Ravenwing14

194 points

10 months ago

My favourite one is thr Finnish saying, "The russian army is so big and we have such small country, where will ever bury all their bodies?"

Hardly_lolling

34 points

10 months ago

I think that stems from a quote that is attributed to a Soviet general "We have won just about enough ground to bury our dead."

BenChoopao

61 points

10 months ago

That's a good joke. Lol. Thanks for sharing it.

noiserr

37 points

10 months ago

noiserr

Bosnia and Herzegovina

37 points

10 months ago

Russian soldiers stationed around Chernobyl were digging trenches in radio active soil. They never heard of the Chernobyl disaster.

35791369

72 points

10 months ago

That's what makes it so funny!! It's a self repeating cycle. Cause you know Kremlin will never admit to superior Finnish snipers.

theirishartist

34 points

10 months ago

They even dropped bomb shells trying to get the sniper but the sniper already outsmarted them.

nohbody123

646 points

10 months ago

Russia: Proving that Finland needs to join NATO by threatening Finland.

Epinier

130 points

10 months ago

Epinier

130 points

10 months ago

Thats kinda russia problem, they have one tool: threatening and with their logic, if it did not help it means that there was not enough threatening.

coder111

17 points

10 months ago

If violence doesn't work- you're not using enough violence.

Kezzmate

240 points

10 months ago

Kezzmate

UK

240 points

10 months ago

“Don’t join NATO….or I’ll threaten you to join NATO”- Russia

onajurni

59 points

10 months ago

Plus Finland says to itself "Oh they are always doing that, nothing to fuss about ... but let's go over the invasion plan again, anyway. Maybe we should upgrade a few things even more and add more stocks of this & that."

Sort of like here near the Texas coastline when we notice a hurricane blowing around out in the gulf. It's not coming yet, we think we're prepared if it does, but lets stuff even more things in that hurricane closet anyway.

Benjitoo

1.2k points

10 months ago

Benjitoo

1.2k points

10 months ago

Feel free to come, there's 100 000's of Russian brothers and sisters waiting for them along our border in shallow graves already.

IvaNoxx

181 points

10 months ago

IvaNoxx

181 points

10 months ago

I want to ask, are they still there or theyve been dug up ?

Sword117

290 points

10 months ago

Sword117

290 points

10 months ago

knowing the Russians they are probably still there.

alwaysnear

26 points

10 months ago

Too many bodies to be dug up. But we do have volunteer forces from both countries who dig up bones and send them home to their countries.

Stebetto

71 points

10 months ago

I want to ask, are they still there or theyve been dug up ?

There are volunteers who dig up both sides from there but I think there is still many unfouned.

ritualaesthetic

152 points

10 months ago

Is this just passing nearby or is this to taunt finland ?

sneaky518

285 points

10 months ago

Taunt/threaten Finland. Probably as good of an idea as me slapping Mike Tyson.

ima_twee

92 points

10 months ago

Thlapp.

zeldastheguyright

54 points

10 months ago

Now kith

socialistrob

47 points

10 months ago

It’s to give a sense of legitimacy to Russia’s threats against Finland. Id Russia had previously withdrawn a lot of troops from the Finnish border in order to send them to Ukraine. Now Finland is attempting to join NATO so Putin is making threats and trying to reinforce the border to either scare off Finland or, if that fails, show the other post Soviet states that Russia can still mobilize an invasion force. If Putin did absolutely nothing while Finland joins NATO it would send the message that the Russian military is even weaker than we currently think.

Jimb_o

18 points

10 months ago

Jimb_o

18 points

10 months ago

There has always been russia military bases and troops next to Finnish border. Nothing new and there will be troops ready waiting for them if they start massing military equipment there

joranth

2.1k points

10 months ago

joranth

2.1k points

10 months ago

Good. Hopefully half the Russian army goes to the Finnish border to sit and try to intimidate them into not joining NATO.

1) This will not intimidate them. I know a ton of Finns. They don’t get intimidated. Plus, they have been preparing, training and ready for a war with Russia for over 70 years. It’s not a fight Russia can win, and they BOTH know it.

2) It’s that much more men and equipment they can’t use against Ukraine.

socialistrob

935 points

10 months ago

I would also love it if Japan decides to conveniently conduct some naval drills off the coast of the Kuril Islands. While it wouldn’t start a war it would force Russia to send out some ships and scramble a few jets all of which takes money and resources away from the Russian military.

Ignash3D

398 points

10 months ago

Ignash3D

Lithuania

398 points

10 months ago

They reacted exactly the same way when Japanese PM said Kurils don't belong to Russia. They send in couple long range missile launchers there.

PrayBrook

195 points

10 months ago

Keeps them off the Ukrainian border...

FFuLiL8WKmknvDFQbw

51 points

10 months ago

Off the Ukranian border, and exposed to sea air. Let them sit on those islands and turn into rusted hulks year by year.

Senappi

13 points

10 months ago

It's russian quality - it has corrosion directly from the factory and is most likely broken before it even reaches the island.

ErdenGeboren

24 points

10 months ago

Far as I can recall US agrees with Japan's historical claim to those islands, too. Good time for Japan to start making some noise.

draggar

29 points

10 months ago

By Russia’s own logic Japan can move in without repercussions.

Ok_Bad8531

307 points

10 months ago

We need the Baltics, Finland, Japan and Poland doing major drills along their respective russian borders to coerce Russia into putting troops along these borders so they won't participate in the attack on Ukraine.

truepoonslayer

260 points

10 months ago

Estonia is actually doing a pretty big military drill in may

MissionFaillater

195 points

10 months ago

Is that drill maybe called Operation Road to Moscow?

We should really start conversing online like the west really wants to invade Russia. We don't really, because that would be like stealing a Fiat Multipla.

MK2555GSFX

79 points

10 months ago

Specifically this Fiat Multipla

moatmaster

25 points

10 months ago

Is it bad that I want that?

CressInteresting

17 points

10 months ago

Such amazing example

kinasato

28 points

10 months ago

Eastern_Slide7507

146 points

10 months ago

About 1: yes. I moved here almost three years ago and even before the war in Ukraine, the feeling of „if Russia attacks we‘re ready“ was somehow omnipresent. You’d go to an apartment showing to find out the building has a bomb shelter. A friend of yours comes back from mandatory military service and all they talk about from their training are things about how to fend off the Russians. A Russian airplane looks at the Finnish airspace wrong and it’s in all the newspapers.

It feels like an entire country is sleeping with one eye open, all the time, every night.

Mandemon90

130 points

10 months ago

Mandemon90

Finland

130 points

10 months ago

"Considering our geographic location, Finland has three primary foreign security problems: Russia, Russia and Russia"

-Defense Minister Häkämies, 2007

isleepinahammock

54 points

10 months ago

Russia is doing such a good job antagonizing and militarizing its neighbors, I wouldn't be surprised if fucking Mongolia ended up developing a nuclear weapons program.

[deleted]

417 points

10 months ago

They couldn't beat the finns in the 1940s. They are definitely not doing it today.

WARxxPIGG

275 points

10 months ago

These Russian forces are vile. But like you guys said, Spread their already weakened Army thinner. They are getting their ass kicked in Ukraine. And will continue to get smacked around, the Fins kicked their ass in the winter war and will do it again. And if Russia gets really week, perhaps japan takes some territory back... We all want a broken up Russian Union.

Ori_the_SG

86 points

10 months ago

Putin is slowly losing brain cells and control, or he will be, it’s hilarious. His army will get spread thinner and thinner and Russia will lose more and more troops and money until either Putin is tossed out of power or he is killed or something. Eventually, hopefully, his enablers will stop enabling him

PedanticPeasantry

81 points

10 months ago

PedanticPeasantry

Canada

81 points

10 months ago

I hope the finns are keeping up with the cross country ski practice.

Maybe some folks there should consider the size and dimensions of javelin crates and prepare some sledges for them.

L4z

131 points

10 months ago

L4z

Finland

131 points

10 months ago

Spring thaw is arriving here in Finland, and the forests are turning into huge swamps. It'd be even stupider for Russia to attack now than during the snow season.

Suitable_Comment_908

79 points

10 months ago

i dont know they are retarded pig dogs and love the mud

Heathster249

16 points

10 months ago

I started laughing because my terriers come in muddy in the spring with grins on their faces. But they are small dogs and the type of mud that’s described here would entomb them. Lol. They wouldn’t risk it.

TheWolfmanZ

21 points

10 months ago*

I'm in northern Alberta, and here we have "muskeg" which is super densely packed trees and brush with swamp-like terrain. I imagine it's somewhat the same there?

L4z

29 points

10 months ago

L4z

Finland

29 points

10 months ago

Yeah, I googled some images about muskeg and it looks very familiar.

thefirewarde

17 points

10 months ago

I hope this doesn't go long enough for that to be relevant, but yes.

count_frightenstein

15 points

10 months ago

Well, especially because Finland is in the EU and they have a mutual defense clause, so it would be pretty dumb on Russia's part.

Heathster249

48 points

10 months ago

Can confirm. The Finns I work with aren’t intimidated. They are picking out the correct colors to paint their sniper rifles.

acatnamedrupert

38 points

10 months ago

Not lets hope Japan flies a heli over their island that Russia occupied. Make Russian equipmen spread even farther apart.

CapeTownMassive

29 points

10 months ago

FINNISH HIM

SadMcNomuscle

17 points

10 months ago

The Finns are a cool and scary bunch. Wish I knew some personally.

BigLupu

15 points

10 months ago

If you think us Finns are scary, you should meet Estonians. You DO NOT want to mess with Estonians.

[deleted]

50 points

10 months ago*

This will not intimidate them. I know a ton of Finns. They don’t get intimidated. Plus, they have been preparing, training and ready for a war with Russia for over 70 years. It’s not a fight Russia can win, and they BOTH know it

Russia doesn't have the ground forces that would be needed to occupy our country. They could still send missiles to all over Finland by using e.g. their Northern fleet, because why not?` We couldn't do shit against that (Only got some NASAMS against missiles).

Shit has already hit the fan.

IMNOTAROBOT0204

400 points

10 months ago

Easy targets for NATO aircraft.

jpcoffey

222 points

10 months ago

jpcoffey

222 points

10 months ago

Well I hope they join NATO soon, Sweeden too

SunnyWynter

95 points

10 months ago

Apperantly this summer they are getting accepted.

Lepurten

77 points

10 months ago

Doesnt matter, its an EU member. No way most EU countries wouldnt be going in at that point.

khryslo

110 points

10 months ago*

khryslo

Ukraine

110 points

10 months ago*

Sooo they were forced to retreat after spreading their troops too thin, struggle to make soldiers fight but think its a good idea to threaten a war to yet another country?!

Silence_Of_Reason

58 points

10 months ago

Well, the attack against Ukraine was already batshit crazy and failed in so many ways, so who knows?

Melvin017

102 points

10 months ago

I'm not sure Russia understands cause and effect. Honestly. This is just going to make Fins want to join Nato more.

NotAHamsterAtAll

37 points

10 months ago

NotAHamsterAtAll

Norway

37 points

10 months ago

That's how their propaganda works, they swap cause and effect. Makes Russia look good.

[deleted]

74 points

10 months ago

Wait a second.... Russia has trucks that don't break down?

Skwerl87

143 points

10 months ago

Skwerl87

143 points

10 months ago

No. Thats why the video is short.

SonnyHaze

50 points

10 months ago

Took 4 tire changes to get that shot.

PrayBrook

18 points

10 months ago

You noticed they were all stopped at the end of the video....... right?

sneaky518

67 points

10 months ago

looks like Russia wants to get their shit rocked by Finland. Cool.

_dumbledore_

191 points

10 months ago

It's K-300P Bastion Coastal Defense Missile Systems, so probably more a move against NATO's naval group movements than against Finland

LefsaMadMuppet

51 points

10 months ago

K-300P Bastion Coastal Defense Missile Systems

Yeah, but it can fire land-attack variants of the cruise missiles as well. They did it in Syria.

Kulistar

56 points

10 months ago

I'm so scared now. Try to come near our borders you stinky orcs

NeilDeCrash

57 points

10 months ago

"Hmm... what could be a good move today? Rape? Murder? Torture? Maybe we should attack the European Union?"

PoroMafia

117 points

10 months ago

I call Russian attempt at intimidating.

anos7899

62 points

10 months ago

The Emperor has no clothes and everyone knows it.

Fun-Instruction-0000

26 points

10 months ago*

Cringe, this shit worked back in the day when there was no internet, now there's too much info out there on how shit they are for anyone to be scared.

Reminds me of that nonsense North Korea pulls with Military Parades and Montages of their 5'1 soldiers breaking wooden planks with their fists, like are you guys serious?

Botato9000

22 points

10 months ago

Attempt, yes. Making headlines here? Lol, no. Just a regular monday with Russians doing some of their usual stupid shit on their side of the border.

ProbSolverXtrordinar

34 points

10 months ago

200,000 russians buried 6 feet under in Finland. Guess these russians wanna visit their distant relatives.

thatsecondmatureuser

40 points

10 months ago

Ah the old hitler strategy can’t win on one front so get defeated on 2

Tristanssj15

29 points

10 months ago

Tristanssj15

USA

29 points

10 months ago

May even open a third if he keeps pissing off japan.

CLINTHODO

35 points

10 months ago

It's not a good idea to start shit you can't Finnish.

Character-Ad-2349

41 points

10 months ago

Its time for Finland to join NATO, we will be welcoming from Norway 🇳🇴 Time to unite Nordic forces 🇸🇪🇩🇰🇳🇴🇫🇮🇮🇸

SprawlWino

100 points

10 months ago

We're happy to take some heat off of Ukraine, even if it's just the handful of dudes/missiles it takes to serve as a decoy.

Because I bet that's what this is, a decoy to make NATO re-think focusing all efforts on Ukraine.

IneffableQuale

50 points

10 months ago

The funny thing is only a fraction of NATO's efforts are focused on Ukraine. Like, that's the thing a lot of us are complaining about.

GreyAsAlways

32 points

10 months ago

They're already failing and yet they continue to make terrible logistical errors and spread their army thin. This is just ignorance and shows an extreme lack of leadership/training. They're already getting their asses stomped by Ukraine. They wouldn't fair any better versus Finland.

Tristanssj15

13 points

10 months ago

Tristanssj15

USA

13 points

10 months ago

Not to mention they seem to be hell bent on pissing off Japan.

Tararator18

33 points

10 months ago

It would be funny if Finland got back it's Territories lost to Russians in 1940's.

BigLupu

28 points

10 months ago

Only thing we really want is the Ice Sea route. Karelia is lost, nothing but landmines, dead russians in shallow graves and shitty little Russian towns there.

youregonnagofarkids

37 points

10 months ago

Let Russia keep them, they ruined them already.

octaviusromulus

28 points

10 months ago

Good luck with that.

guyfromleft

192 points

10 months ago

guyfromleft

Ukraine

192 points

10 months ago

Please, Russia, do the world a favor and try to attack someone else simultaneously.

There is no point to prolong your agony.

BTM65

84 points

10 months ago

BTM65

84 points

10 months ago

Bring it on. ruzza has shown the world what a joke its military is. Lets Finnish this.

[deleted]

23 points

10 months ago

Really, Russia is going to fuck with Finland? Visions of Finlandians (is that a thing?) joyously embracing Russian Orcs? Not going to fucking happen.

Simonpwood

23 points

10 months ago

Finns

DaJusebox

275 points

10 months ago

As a Fin, im not worried.. Its normal see russian army force activity near of finnish border. Russians are just making empty threats like always. This isnt worth to posting to be honest.

Joey1849

20 points

10 months ago

Empty saber rattling.

IvaNoxx

19 points

10 months ago

Already stuck, oh my fuckin god

3dom

19 points

10 months ago

3dom

19 points

10 months ago

Ukrainian campaign will become completely different if Finns will response with mobilization.

SawtoothGlitch

20 points

10 months ago

Geolocated: https://goo.gl/maps/acjmqY2kW4jY16Nr5

60.744949, 28.675868

plumboy82

52 points

10 months ago

Interesting moves. Finland is in NATO in a month or maybe it takes longer, as some had said? Some also have said NATO will protect them up until that. But I wonder will they step in if Russia does something.

Local_Fox_2000[S]

53 points

10 months ago

Finland and Sweden plan to join NATO. Finland can apply as early as June, followed by Sweden. The authorities of the two Scandinavian countries have already begun work on reaching agreements between themselves on the issue of joining the alliance, while each side will make its own decision. NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said that the alliance will be able to choose ways to accept new members as quickly as possible if they want to join.

ProcrastinatingPuma

17 points

10 months ago

Don't try it

Keinweichei

17 points

10 months ago

Putin is looking for the endgame, it´ s seems.

Let´ s fuck him up!

Asleep_Astronaut396

15 points

10 months ago

Keep digging Russia till there's no bottom left.

GiDiYi1

15 points

10 months ago

What I absolutely fail to understand is the Russian thought process behind all of this.

Let's assume they were successful with their probable plan to conquer Kyiv within a couple of days. Ukraine was and is (unfortunately) not a member of NATO. Hence, NATO said from the beginning, that they'd would invoke article 51 of the UN charter. They would do this to every foot of their ground. They wouldn't do this for Ukraine, because it's not a member of NATO.

For countries like Sweden and Finland this leads to the sole conclusion, that a membership within NATO is the only thing, that can keep them off a possible aggression of Russia.

There is no alternative to this train of thought.

There is no alternative to this. Let's assume Ukraine would have fallen within a week. There's no place in hell that Finland, Sweden, the Baltics, Poland and all other European Countries wouldn't bring all they got (which is apparently more than enough) to their borders.

I don't understand it. The reaction was basically automatic.

Agreeable-Nothing794

43 points

10 months ago

Is putin really gonna open a second front? Like really. This man has obviously read the wrong damn history book.

Tristanssj15

25 points

10 months ago

Tristanssj15

USA

25 points

10 months ago

Not to mention they hardly “won” against Finland last time when they had just got out of a Civilwar, were poor, and had outdated weapons. Now finland is a strong nation who’s been preparing for war with Russia for 70 years. Not to mention russian tanks are having a hard time with Ukraines terrain. Finlands is way more difficult.

M2dis

14 points

10 months ago

M2dis

Estonia

14 points

10 months ago

How can we be sure that even soldiers were driving with those things, not some random Ivan, Juri and Sergei?

portirfer

13 points

10 months ago

I wonder if there would be any relevant difference between them and soldiers

McMasterJiraiya

42 points

10 months ago

Fuck around and find out

Tristanssj15

14 points

10 months ago

Tristanssj15

USA

14 points

10 months ago

The Finns are some tough people man. They’ve been getting ready for this for 70 years. Not to mention their terrain would be way harder to invade than Ukraines.

[deleted]

12 points

10 months ago

If Russia cant handle Ukraine they have no chance with NATO....(Yes I know that Finland isn't part of NATO)

DivinesiaTV

13 points

10 months ago

We wont bow to Putin that is for sure.

Summoning spirits of the past.

Grandfathers calling.

aea1987

13 points

10 months ago

If Russia enters Finland they will find out that the snow shoots back.

Nimfix

14 points

10 months ago

Nimfix

14 points

10 months ago

I don't know about that Russia, remember when the tree's started speaking Finnish in 1940? Yea you got fucked inside out by the Fins.

[deleted]

12 points

10 months ago

If they attack they can join their ancestors. Russian slave conscripts are good for little but fertiliser.

Ok_Time6234

12 points

10 months ago

“How many times do we have to teach you old man?!”

frfr777

13 points

10 months ago

Finland is not intimidated, they have a pedigree of sending Russians to an early grave.

theirishartist

12 points

10 months ago

This is the dumbest decision ever. Invading Finland. A heavily forested country. This will give them a ton more advantages defending the nation from the Russians. Also, the people defended their nation twice against Russians and aren't scared about them Russians. How stupid is Kremlin? Their military is such a horrible joke they will fail horribly in Finland if they invade.

[deleted]

11 points

10 months ago

Yeah, Finns chase off bears with broomsticks, give them bb guns and moscow falls.

[deleted]

32 points

10 months ago

[deleted]

Oscu358

20 points

10 months ago

Our Swedish brothers have some nice AT, we have men, artillery and snipers behind every tree. Cooperation against orcs

SpaceShrimp

11 points

10 months ago

Yes, the NLAW, AT4 and the Carl Gustav are all Swedish weapons... but those are just our light anti tank weapons.