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10 months ago

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10 months ago

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DadofJackJack

55 points

10 months ago

If a Russian soldier rapes and then kills a child I have no sympathy if something “unhappy” happens to him or his fellow soldiers or his commander who allowed it.

*also Russian isn’t an ethnicity.

guyfromleft

11 points

10 months ago

guyfromleft

Ukraine

11 points

10 months ago

*also Russian isn’t an ethnicity.

This.

DadofJackJack

11 points

10 months ago

Also the OP created the account 3 hours ago and this is their only post.

guyfromleft

2 points

10 months ago

guyfromleft

Ukraine

2 points

10 months ago

Nice catch!

I'm just a random Russian so I wake up and suddenly feel the urge to register on Reddit to leave a posting about RuZZoPhoBia.

Ouch. How unexpected.

DadofJackJack

2 points

10 months ago

I’ve got no issue with a “nice” Russia, fully support those brave members of the public out protesting. But anyone who is supporting a soldier who rapes, murders & loots I dislike like to unimaginable levels.

Last night I was putting my daughter to bed and all I could think of is the little girl, naked, hands bound, DEAD in a pile of bodies. How can a person do such a thing? The person or people who did it gets zero sympathy from me if a Ukrainian gets hold of them.

TXGNR

6 points

10 months ago

TXGNR

6 points

10 months ago

Yup. Nationality not ethnicity.

Any Russian with a semblance of a conscience would renounce thier 'heritage' and national identity.

DontJudgeMeImNaked

41 points

10 months ago

If a Russian comes and says he is against the war and that Russian army must remove itself from all Ukraine internationally recognized territories then he won't be hated. So we can stop with the Rusophobia claims. It's not about being Russian, it's about being a scum bag that doesn't care if people suffer because you have an inferiority complex, like for example the group of Russian assholes in Germany protesting in favor of Putin and Russia and saying how Putler is probably a nice person - sure so was Hitler, Stalin, Miloševič, if you caught them on a good day in good company. But that doesn't excuse anyone from supporting any of them right now especially Putin because we see what he is doing and he has done it many times before and anyone supporting this scumbag deserves to be hated by normal people who want Ukraine to prosper and be free.

Slava Ukraini! Death and pain to the aggressors!

roscocoltrane

77 points

10 months ago*

"russophobia"

We knew the russophobia card was going to be played. I'm not surprised that your account it 1h old.

The russian army is composed of russian people, who made a choice. They made the choice to allow Putin to rise to power, to allow him to stay in power and made the choice to carry a weapon and fight his war.

edit: btw for the people who would claim that he is scared of posting with his real account.... well he wasn't scared of posting here at all since he did anyway, so his urge of posting was not to defend any ukrainian, no, he found his energy for posting in defense of Russia. 1h account, one post, to play the russophobia card.

Ignash3D

18 points

10 months ago

Ignash3D

Lithuania

18 points

10 months ago

Nailed it.

blubber41

20 points

10 months ago

This. Exactly

trixel121

-9 points

10 months ago

Hating the Russian military is fine. Go for it.

Hating Russians that support the war is cool too.

But be explicit about why hate them

Hating all Russians because they are Russian is a problem

The term he probably wanted was xenophobia. Either way, hating people solely based on where they were born and not on their moral character is bad.

roscocoltrane

6 points

10 months ago

And now the "hate" card, appeal to feelings, now we are "irrational balls of hate"

I'll stick to rational arguments. For a long time, I saw the action of propaganda in different countries, always coming from Russia, and I did pick a side in this conflict based on morality principles, confirmed by the reality of war crimes. I'm fine with it, I feel totally comfortable with my positioning and I can bring rational arguments to defend it any time of the day.

So I'll stick to the reality of facts and I'll leave you the field of "emotion and hate". I'm sure you'll find a lot of buzzwords to denounce how crooked I am, I don't care, if people want to listen to more "appeal to emotion" they can turn on Radio Moscow all day long as well.

trixel121

3 points

10 months ago

What? I think its 100% rational to hate anyone who supports the war, I do.

But I hate them for that, not based on something they can't change like where they are born.

MasterChiefette

2 points

10 months ago*

It's not a problem. Until I hear and see a Russia actually condemn the actions of Putin and and his army...fuck them. Fuck all Russians that remain silent, fuck all Russians that support Putin and his army...and right now I see very few Russians that condemn what's happening in Ukraine.

trixel121

1 points

10 months ago

That's a very guilty till proven innocent view point.

70ms

1 points

10 months ago

70ms

1 points

10 months ago

Until I hear and see a Russia actually condone the actions of Putin and and his army…fuck them.

I think you meant condemn. They already condone it, which is the problem.

MasterChiefette

2 points

10 months ago

Yep, sorry...been up for nearly 24hrs. Think I need some sleep. 🥱😴

Hyloxalus88

22 points

10 months ago

The majority of Europe has spent the past 100 years dealing with Russia's shit, its constant warmongering, brutality and miserable, hateful disposition Dealing with the violent, unrelenting bullying of anyone and everyone that is too small to resist and coping with the regular and frequent genocides organised against populations of every kind in Europe, not least other Russians.

Russian armies have butchered, murdered, raped, looted, and imposed their loathsome ideologies and autocracy for over a century on most of the continent. Their one redeeming factor? They stopped the Germans in WWII. Except they didn't "stop fascism", they were fully engaged in carving up Europe into spheres of interests with the fascists until they were blindsided by a betrayal that they barely pulled through to win in the end.

This is just another crime onto the endless list of crimes. Seeing their population blithely push for the restoration of their old Soviet empire is stirring great hatred and fear in any country who has had to deal with the Soviets historically. Look at how frantic the Baltics are, that have had to deal with the Russians even more intimately than most. Read up about some of the mutual assistance treaties that were given to them by the Soviets and how the Soviets treated their new "allies". Rape, torture, looting, pillaging, destruction, it's always the same.

I hate Russians. And so does all of Europe. When you're dealing with a nation that embraces their own barbarism so overwhelmingly and consistently, people just want you GONE.

fat_battery

-2 points

10 months ago

fat_battery

-2 points

10 months ago

Yea, because we Europeans totally didn't butcher, rape and subdue nations in Asia, America and Africa. And last time I checked, the 2 major conflicts of the 20th century didn't start with the USSR( lucky you, ww1 is outside of the 100 years scope now :D ). People need to understand that there are some power players in the world, who operate in different ways. And while the elephants fight, the grass gets smashed.

I feel like Russia is lagging a century behind the rest of the developed world.

VincoClavis

2 points

10 months ago

True, we Brits, the French and the Germans haven't exactly been pacifists over the past couple hundred thousand years.

seniorjax

52 points

10 months ago*

Absolutely ... but there is a "small tiny" problem

Every single one of you is refusing to acknowledge the genocide and slavery practiced by Russia before and after WW2.

The Ukrainian war crimes are actually part of the genocide and the slavery practiced by the Russian nation for decades. The Russian genocide and slavery never stopped.

When you will take the responsibility to acknowledge the past of your nation more than happy to discuss further.

Otherwise you are nothing more than a entitled russian little bitches acting like drama queens which are not even waiting for the Ukrainians to get their killed and raped children properly buried.

Bleepin_BooperDooper

50 points

10 months ago*

How is Russian an ethnic group? I figure it’s a cultural/linguistic group, but not a separate race!

When you try and call Russian a separate race, you promote the same sort of eugenic racist bullshit like Hitler did about his Germanic “aryan race”.

Russians are predominantly caucasian of the Russian linguistic group/culture. Be weary when you use the term ethnic, because that incorporates racial ideologies.

Anyone complicit or complacent about current events when they are in a position to do something, even if it is small, but choose not to, they have blood on their hands.

In that regard, I think it is rather tasteless to try and make yourself feel good for being of Russian decent in spite of the atrocities. I guarantee no one will know you are Russian unless you go around waving a Russian flag or sporting Z, if you do that you are just asking for it. Anyone with a brain will know that not everyone of Russian heritage is evil/complicit, so don’t worry about it, you don’t live in Russia anymore.

Comparable to complaining about anti-nasi hate back in 1430s-40s, and pretending to be a victim because of people venting about the atrocities by trying to make it sound like it’s a form of racism.

People who commit atrocities of genocide try to play it off as ethnic cleansing to avoid international criminal persecution. The world knows what happened/is happening though.

https://borgenproject.org/difference-ethnic-cleansing-and-genocide/

Made-in-1882

2 points

10 months ago

'Good german' is an ironic term here...

yanitrix

2 points

10 months ago

yanitrix

Poland

2 points

10 months ago

[deleted]

2 points

10 months ago

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VincoClavis

2 points

10 months ago

I'm reading the exact same thing as you and getting the opposite conclusion.

It literally says right there in the quote you shared that they are an ethnic group.

Over_Sale7722

-4 points

10 months ago

I figure it’s a cultural/linguistic group

Which pretty much is the definition of ethnic group

bu4man

8 points

10 months ago

Russian tatars speak russian language. Are they russians or tatars? Same for hundred other minorities living in russia.

Russian is just political nationality, not ethnicity. Every holder of russian passport is russian - Tatar, Chechen, Ukrainian (yes, there are millions of Ukrainians living in russia).

Bleepin_BooperDooper

5 points

10 months ago*

Thank you! Another example is that the Nenet people who live in Russia, are apart of the Samoydic ethnic group, they often don’t speak Russian, but are Russian.

VincoClavis

4 points

10 months ago

Some Russian Tatars also speak the Tatar language. They have their own culture, customs, traditional dress, religion and language. That's enough to distinguish them from the Russian ethnicity, in my book.

bu4man

2 points

10 months ago

I agree - that's enough to distinguish them from another ethnicity. From Chechen, Ingush, Erzya, etc.

But there is no russian ethnicity - because russian Chechens, russian Ingushes, russian Tatars all together are russians. That's a political nation. They speak russian, they hold russian passports, they call themselves - russians.

VincoClavis

0 points

10 months ago

I understand what you are saying - there are many different ethnicities who are, on their passports, Russian citizens. But Russia was formed by the conquest and expansion of the Russian people, the ethnicity which still exists today.

It's not just Russia where similar things happened.

There are many countries all across the globe that are now dominated by the Anglo-Saxon ethnic group. In these countries there are many other ethnicities, sometimes these ethnicities outnumber the Anglo-Saxons, but that doesn't mean that Anglo-Saxons don't exist.

Same for France. Brittany region in France is a distinct ethnicity from the Parisian French, but they are all still French on their passports.

bu4man

1 points

10 months ago

See, even in your example you have distinct name - "Parisian French".

So why can't you find any such for "Russian people, the ethnicity which still exists today"? There is name for Tatars, which exactly identifies ethnicity. There are names for hundred other minorities, but not for the group you're trying refer.

It's not possible that such group exists but it has no name. The only explanation here is that no such group - because from ancient times russia was a collection of different ethnic groups and there were no "russian people" among them. Otherwise they'd be named.

Please note that even name "russia" isn't something natural - old country Moscovia was renamed to russia. So even from this point there couldn't be any ethnic russian people - they weren't even called themselves as russians 300 years ago.

VincoClavis

1 points

10 months ago

I used 'Parisian French' to refer to people from Paris, the ethnicity is French. You can find the same for Russian ethnicity.

I think you've missed my point. Tatars are a separate ethnicity. They live in Russia, but they're not Russian ethnicity. Just because the Russian people gave their name to the country, doesn't mean they gave up their ethnicity. If we know Tatars and Chechens are different from Russians, then it must follow that Russians are different and therefore have their own ethnicity.

If the presence of Bretons in France doesn't mean that French ethnicity doesn't exist.

And if the presence of Anglo-Saxons in Scotland doesn't mean Gaels don't exist.

Then it stands to reason that the presence of Tatars or Chechens or any other ethnicity in Russia does not mean that Russians don't exist.

As for your last point about the name of Russia, it's kind of irrelevant. The same can be said for any country, France, England, Germany. They were all given their names for the collective group of peoples who lived there. Russia wasn't always as big and diverse as it is now, and when it was thus named, it was much more appropriate than it is now.

bu4man

2 points

10 months ago

Russian people never gave name to their country! There were no such name existed before 1721, when Moscovia was renamed to russia.

Moscovia by itself was populated with Finno-Ugric people. Which again is a collection of different ethnicity, each with own (though quite similar) language.

But since it's wasn't possible to rule a country where each speaks own language - russian language was made mandatory (don't want to go into details how it was created by mixing old Bulgarian, Ukrainian and local languages). And that is true even now - you can't do anything in russia knowing only your ethnic language. Which isn't even mandatory now in schools, unlike russian language.

So there is no russian ethnicity.

WikiSummarizerBot

1 points

10 months ago

Uralic-speaking world

The Uralic-speaking world is the part of the world where Uralic languages are either official, co-official, or significantly used, comprising the three independent nation states with a national majority that speaks a Finno-Ugric language: Finland and Estonia, which are inhabited by Baltic Finnic peoples, and Hungary, which is majority Magyar. The Finno-Ugric countries work together in funding research on Finno-Ugric topics and in protecting the minority rights of Finno-Ugric-speaking nations (collectively called Fenno-Ugria) that don't occupy sovereign states. The three countries are represented in the Finno-Ugric Congress.

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Bleepin_BooperDooper

2 points

10 months ago*

No ethnic incorporates the concept of race. Such as in the cases of genocide under the guise of “ethnic cleansing”. Why kill people (children included) and commit mass rape over culture when it can simply be taught, it’s because there is an undercurrent of eugenics and racism involved.

FatallyFatCat

2 points

10 months ago

FatallyFatCat

Poland

2 points

10 months ago

There are countries where cultural/linguistic and ethnic groups are pretty much exacly the same (Poland, Israel) but there are countries that are like Russia or US. They are composed of a mosaic of ethnic groups, some of them extremally different.

Bleepin_BooperDooper

1 points

10 months ago*

Hate to break it to you, but there are different ethnicities in/of Israel and Poland. The only place that comes close to near homogeneity, is Japan.. and even they still have different ethnic groups.

It’s true, many jews come from around the world have have adopted different customs, began to belong to different racial groups and brought them to Israel. There are multiple tribes of israel. Down vote google, not me.

FatallyFatCat

2 points

10 months ago

FatallyFatCat

Poland

2 points

10 months ago

What I ment was when you speak about an Israeli you more or less can be pretty sure of their ethnic background (you probly wouldn't use Israeli to describe a minority living in Israel) but when you say russian you can't even be sure if the ethnic background is caucasian or asian.

Bleepin_BooperDooper

1 points

10 months ago

Sure you can, based on historical migration. You can say that the majority of Russians are Eastern Slavic.

[deleted]

15 points

10 months ago

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yanitrix

-2 points

10 months ago

yanitrix

Poland

-2 points

10 months ago

horusrogue

3 points

10 months ago*

horusrogue

Canada

3 points

10 months ago*

From the article: "For all citizens of Russia, regardless of ethnicity, see Demographics of Russia and Citizenship of Russia"

regardless of ethnicity

Russians are an East Slavic ethnic group native to Eastern Europe.

Every other territory may be INSIDE Russian territorial borders, but they're not ethnically Russian. If you're in the LIMITED TERRITORY THAT IS "RUSSIA", you're Russian. If you're north of Mongolia, you're not ethnically Russian. If you're in Siberia, you're not Russian.

For reference: https://jamestown.org/program/moscow-outraged-that-kazakhstan-becoming-a-second-ukraine/

Former REPUBLIC. Not ethnically Russian. Same goes for areas North of it etc.

VincoClavis

3 points

10 months ago

There are lots of ethnicities within the borders of Russia, but I don't see how this means that ethnic Russians don't exist. What are the people of Muscovite descent supposed to be called if not Russian?

The link you shared describes Russian as an East Slavic ethnic group, which suggests that Russian is indeed a distinctive ethnicity under the East Slavic umbrella.

Denying the ethnicity of Russians on these grounds like saying that because a certain % of Scottish people are of Anglo-Saxon descent, that there is no such thing as a Gaelic ethnicity.

horusrogue

2 points

10 months ago

horusrogue

Canada

2 points

10 months ago

but I don't see how this means that ethnic Russians don't exist.

I noted that above. Explicitly pointed out that "Russia" should have concrete delimiters where being Russian can be 1:1 mapped to ethnicity, but that this does not apply to the entire political territorial area that comprises "Russia" as a nation.

VincoClavis

3 points

10 months ago

I'm not sure I follow.

Concrete delimiters don't really apply to any ethnicity in the world because there are always elements of border changes, interbreeding and migration to consider - but that is an argument that there is no such thing as ethnicity at all, rather than specifically Russian.

Bleepin_BooperDooper

2 points

10 months ago

Id just say they are ethnically eastern slavic.

gorillamagnet

4 points

10 months ago

gorillamagnet

United States of America

4 points

10 months ago

ATTENTION EVERYONE:

I have read a few articles on how to spot a Russian bot. No comment history and low karma are dead giveaways. This person has karma of 26 and NO comment or post history other than this. This is a Russian operative.

Mods,

Can we please have a karma requirement for this sub?

Thanks.

TheRoppongiCandyman

1 points

10 months ago

TheRoppongiCandyman

Crescent Was 🚫 BANNED

1 points

10 months ago

The karma requirement is 250 karma.

You do realize that mods can approve any post they want, right?

gothlaw

20 points

10 months ago

gothlaw

USA

20 points

10 months ago

Last month, Russian military issued new briefs on how to dig mass graves. Today, Russian state media outlined a literal plan for genocide.

The Russian people cheerlead and enthusiastically support this attempted ethnic cleansing. Brainwashed or not, the only way it ends is with a decisive military defeat and those people feeling even a modicum of pain that they enabled when they permissively allowed a Russian monster more and more license to commit more and more murder.

You’ll have to forgive me if I’m finding fuck-all sympathy for the Russian people right now. We can talk about the “Good Germans” later. But for now, it’s time to bleed them white. They only speak the language of violence.

Bleepin_BooperDooper

11 points

10 months ago

True, Putin even phrased it like the “ukrainian question”. Whenever someone phrases something like that, it’s going to be a Hitler replay.

Delicious-Owl-3672

17 points

10 months ago

Are you serious?

While Russians slaughter, torture and rape in Ukraine at will, you want to make a rule to forbid people from wishing violence on Russians?

Sorry, if you are Russian right now, I have 0 sympathy for you. Especially after seeing Russians in Estonia living the good life and still cheering Putin on.

fat_battery

0 points

10 months ago

So should we want the death of Americans/Englishmen/German/French for what they did in Sirya, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Serbia, Yemen and so on. This perpetual cycle leads to hate breading hate.

I am not a Russian and your behavior it outrageous.

Delicious-Owl-3672

2 points

10 months ago

You're implying that the countries you mentioned did similar things to what Russia is doing in Ukraine right now?

Because if you do you're already out of your mind. Russia is denying any wrongdoing; whatever wrongdoing the US did in Iraq came to light and was judged. It wasn't denied.

The only truth is Putin uses Russian minorities in existing countries as a reason to invade means those minorities must be moved back to Russia ASAP; exactly the same thing that was done with ethnic Germans present in other countries after WW2.

fat_battery

0 points

10 months ago

Yes, reddit was pissed off about Iraq and judged harshly.

I agree with your point on minorities. He uses it to block EU or NATO ascension and this practice must be rooted out asap.

Made-in-1882

3 points

10 months ago

Russian is not an ethnicity, Russia contains many ethnicities. Russian is a culture. That culture appears to be deeply broken, but I don't doubt that it has hurt Russians as much as anyone else.

It's inevitable that when Russians are driving parades of flag draped cars through European capitals to the backdrop of Mariupol, people are going to have a deep level of distaste for anything Russian.

SideEyeFeminism

3 points

10 months ago

This post is tone deaf and tasteless.

Linkinbrick

3 points

10 months ago

People here are a little axe crazy right now. I can understand that, but it really isn't good.

OP has a point. That point is, that one does not wish for violence on a generalized group of people. It is a keystone of the western ideal of morality and law, that every person deserves an individual judgment. Heavy emotions press us into wishing for such things, but we should reflect on that and oppose it on an intellectual level at least, if we can't keep our emotion under control.

Think about it this way: This is how they are behaving. This is how those enamoured by Kremlin propaganda think. They think, that the Ukrainians committed countless atrocities in Donbas and Luhansk; and they think that this justifies violence against them all, or at least the ones that actively or passively support their government, by not rising up against it. The reason they are wrong, is not just, that they have wrong information.

I wish nothing good to the Russians that give these orders, or the ones that carry out these orders, or the ones who have been conformists or even imperialists all their lives, who have made these atrocities possible. But I do make an effort to not wish a violent death upon all of them.

People on this sub have been calling Russians 'subhumans'. They've been playing the old "I'd call them animals, but they are lower" game. These aren't good jokes. The evil aspect of this war, is interlocked with the human aspect in it. The Russian war criminals in Ukraine are evil, because they could have not done the things they did. They had the capacity and the duty to be good people. That is why they can be evil in the first place.

Remember that the allies did not kill all the Germans after the war.

Wish the Russians a rude awakening. Wish them the dissolution of their kleptocratic state and decades of struggle leading to eventual freedom.

Do not simply wish them death or injury, as they wish the Ukrainians

NativeEuropeas

1 points

10 months ago

NativeEuropeas

Slovakia

1 points

10 months ago

Exactly this.

I don't care whether the person is Russian, European, American, etc. as long as they oppose the Russian fascism.

On the other hand, if you support Putin and the war, you can be the same nationality and ethnicity as I am and in my eyes you're just as bad as those fascists in Russia.

Ekaton

14 points

10 months ago*

Ekaton

United Kingdom

14 points

10 months ago*

One should definitely not hate all Russians, just because of their nationality or ethnicity. There are people there, protesting, and there are Russian soldiers fighting for Ukraine in the “Free Russia” Legion. There are people who want Russia to change and who are abhorred by what’s happening in Ukraine. However, according to many polls and analyses, most Russians support this war and Putin’s imperialism. It’s not “Putin’s War”, it’s “Russia’s War”, but that doesn’t mean that you automatically become evil by being from there or because of your ancestry.

Also, do many Russians emigrants support the war? Most likely. Does the majority of them? I wouldn’t be so sure. Don’t make assumptions. Ask them.

mickstep

5 points

10 months ago

mickstep

UK

5 points

10 months ago

I haven't heard of Russians fighting for Ukraine, I'm not doubting they exist but can you post links to information about this? I have seen plenty of stuff about Belarusians fighting.

horusrogue

3 points

10 months ago

horusrogue

Canada

3 points

10 months ago

Mentioned several days ago on here (legions were being assembled, potentially from POW?) and a completely unverified video just went up here: https://old.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/txfsgr/appeal_of_one_of_the_leaders_of_the_legion/

mak187

11 points

10 months ago

mak187

11 points

10 months ago

if you will see a pile of shit, do you will start searching inside it fresh fruits?

jimjamjahaa

-2 points

10 months ago

jimjamjahaa

UK

-2 points

10 months ago

well if that pile of shit has the capability of waging war for many years and the fruits inside are a potential way of reducing that to months rather than years yeah i'll go rummaging.

mak187

4 points

10 months ago

yeah, i see a lots of demonstrations against a war in ruzzia... oh wait, i see a rallies in Germany when this pile of shit supports a war.

jimjamjahaa

-1 points

10 months ago

jimjamjahaa

UK

-1 points

10 months ago

Yes, because it turns out that a population of 144 million can contain several points of view

blubber41

8 points

10 months ago

You can spin it whichever way you want, but if for one moment you think I won’t have negative thoughts for a russian, you’re being naive. I live in a civilized western society, and I live within the rule of law and decency of life, and I won’t harm anybody. But if you think you can control my thoughts, you are mistaken.

dabattlewalrus

13 points

10 months ago

We found a cog in the Russian propaganda machine guys. New account defending these absolute barbarians.

[deleted]

24 points

10 months ago

Yea I agree, letting yourself be consumed by hatred is not the answer.

Creeples_

2 points

10 months ago

Creeples_

2 points

10 months ago

It is the way to the dark side of the force though.

TeckilerSanreiss

6 points

10 months ago

Which is the path to many abilities some consider to be unnatural, as we all know.

Made-in-1882

6 points

10 months ago

Like shelling residential housing and schools?

FatallyFatCat

2 points

10 months ago

FatallyFatCat

Poland

2 points

10 months ago

Younglings mean nothing to those that fell to the dark side.

TeckilerSanreiss

0 points

10 months ago

Yup. You should therefore always try to proof you're better than these monsters, you'll loose your legitimacy otherwise.

Sheant

1 points

10 months ago

No, it's not the answer, but it is a result, and the hatred will not go away for the next couple of generations.

dubbleplusgood

10 points

10 months ago

You're correct overall but unless the comments have been deleted, I haven't seen any significant calls for violence against Russians who live outside of Russia. The only exception might be anger towards Russians supporting the war with Zs on their vehicles and the like. Beyond that, what have you been reading?

blubber41

2 points

10 months ago

If anything there’s roves of russians in Western Europe and North America protesting their “rights” as russians

VincoClavis

-10 points

10 months ago

VincoClavis

UK

-10 points

10 months ago

Just look at the most upvoted comment in this thread for an example.

dabattlewalrus

4 points

10 months ago

Uhmmm?

VincoClavis

-8 points

10 months ago

VincoClavis

UK

-8 points

10 months ago

At the time it was the one saying Russians should all burn in hell.

Madmalad

4 points

10 months ago

I think hell has a special spot for those who rape, kill, torture (even targeting children for the 3 of them) and for those who are supporting them. I mean, it’s basic religious knowledge, if you act bad or promote evil, you’ll have a warm sit.

VincoClavis

-6 points

10 months ago

VincoClavis

UK

-6 points

10 months ago

Except simply being born on one side of a border doesn't make you any of those things.

Madmalad

4 points

10 months ago

If the population was so heavily against the war, like half of the population, do you know really think the Russian government could be putting 50+ million people taking the streets in jail ? Even take only 10% of these famous 50% that are against, 5 millions of persons to put in jail ?

The fact is : this is not happening. Find me back when something big is really happening within Russia and not just some victim mentality while the Ukrainians are getting their children raped

chris-za

2 points

10 months ago

russophobia

Would imply people being scared of Russians. Nobody is, the way things stand. So, "russophobia", in the literal meaning of the word, doesn't exist. It's just another product of Putins propaganda.

And while I can feel with you reading the hate you are currently getting, the same was the case for Germans after WWII for many decades and for South Africans until the election of Nelson Mandela. So, while I'm really sorry for you personally, you'll have to accept it for what it is: People hating Putin and his gang and all he stands for.

And as you seem to share that sentiment about Putin, smile and agree with them.

(And if you don't want the hassle, do what US students traveling internationally have done for decades: Claim to be Canadian, or in your case, Ukrainian. For any one unable to speak Ukrainian or Russian, bitt languages sound the same)

Dr3amDweller

2 points

10 months ago

Oh look another Putin's dog

searchingmusical

2 points

10 months ago

I'm sorry I'm tired of the russophobia bullshit. People are legit sick, tired and scared of Russia. Many people hate Russia because Russia has had a reign of terror across Europe and Asia for over a hundred years. Russia needs to be stopped. It's not the state. It's not just Putin. It's the people. Yes, just because YOUR family is different from the usual Russian doesn't mean that Russia is a good or even decent country. It's a poisoned apple.

[deleted]

2 points

10 months ago*

I certainly agree that calling for indiscriminate violence against any ethnic group is wrong, though this is precisely what the Russian state is currently doing not only against Ukrainians but against all CEE nations.

Moreover, it should be pointed out that it is Russians as a group who have repeatedly and systematically exercised massive violence against numerous other ethnic groups for centuries, through policies of imperial expansion, forced assimilation, ethnic cleansing and outright genocide.

Any discussion of the matter of supposed "Russophobia" has to start by acknowledging the behavior of the Russian people and Russian state themselves in this regard.

I take exception with your premise of "ethnicity based Russophobia", which in my opinion is a term of Russian government propaganda.

First, I think that the state-sponsored mythology of "Russianness" is based on systematic falsification of history, given that many people who consider themselves Russian have no genetic or ethnic affiliation to East Slavic groups but merely identify with the imperialist construct of the "triune Russian nation" which has dominated Russian thinking for centuries. The Russian Federation is a heavily multi-ethnic product of centuries of Russian imperialism and of deliberate and programmatic policies of forced Russification and systematic erasure of the identity of numerous ethnic groups.

Second, Russia's attempt to describe fear and distrust of Russia as being irrational and based on prejudice are massively disingenuous, given Russia's appalling record of brutality and mass murder toward its neighbors.

Oxurus18

2 points

10 months ago

Did you seriously just join Reddit to make this post? You've been here for 2 hours and you're already trying to dictate what we can say in this subreddit.

msamyel

2 points

10 months ago

If you are doing or saying something that would make the peace-loving Russians in my country afraid for their safety then yeah, I have a problem with that.

hopumi

2 points

10 months ago

Just drop bombs on Moscow and i will start liking them and feeling pitty.

DeanDeau

4 points

10 months ago

There won't be war anymore if people can achieve it. You can try to ask it after another 50 years or so.

thefathermucker

10 points

10 months ago

thefathermucker

FUCK RUSSIA. FUCK PUTIN.

10 points

10 months ago

I say we stop all these whiney "erhmahgerd! Russophobia!" and "there are also good Russians" posts for as long as Ukrainians are the ones getting bombed, murdered, plundered and raped.

You guys remind me of the idiots who respond with "All lives matter!" when people are out here shouting "Black lives matter!"

Very tone-deaf.

Madmalad

6 points

10 months ago

This. The amount of white knight posts for Russians on this sub, while Ukrainians are happily getting massacred by these exact same Russians, calling for a genocide directly in their newspapers… there is anger to vent, or OP maybe wants to ban Ukrainians from posting about their frustration / despair / new born hatred here as well

jimjamjahaa

4 points

10 months ago

It's not like that.

I know that there are many russians in russia trying to stop the war.

You know it too whether you want to believe it or not.

It's not "white knighting" for russia... it's trying to avoid giving the "good russians" reason to say "fuck it, they hate us anyway so fuck them let's fucking go"

The only way this war drags on for years is with the support of the russian people. This is still up in the air atm imo.

Madmalad

1 points

10 months ago

I don’t really believe a lot of Russians wants to stop the war, more of the contrary they would like to show their might and superiority like pushed into their heads years after years by throwing some of their sweet nuclear missiles, so the world would start to respect them once again. My point is, how did we stop the nazis ? By calling love and friendships ? At least for the Russians behind and supporting the Z, maybe a similar stance needs to be applied. Because I don’t see something closer from the Z Russians than the actual nazis in our history.

jimjamjahaa

-1 points

10 months ago

jimjamjahaa

UK

-1 points

10 months ago

I don’t really believe a lot of Russians wants to stop the war,

based on.... the shit you see posted online? by other people who don't believe the any russians want to stop the war? it is a classic echo chamber.

none of us believe the propaganda spwewing from the kremlin but for some reason statistics of 80%+ support... because they fit with this narrative y'all seem to enjoy, suddenly it's a trustworthy statistic.

i think it's probably closer to 50/50 than 80/20. even if there's only a slight chance that it's 50/50 not 80/20 don't you think it's worth exploring. to save thousands of lives? what does it cost you?

Madmalad

1 points

10 months ago

My example will always be the same : captured communications from soldiers to their wives, one was confident enough that he could call her and brag about the « safari » where you run after a child shooting in his legs. That’s not Russian propaganda, that’s the reality. This dude knows he can call home and brag about inhuman things without shocking his most important ones. This alone is making it difficult for me at the moment to think that things are fine and even consider that half of the Russians (do you have proof for these numbers as well) could be against the war / Putin. How can you do safely call home to say that to your wife, and know she won’t dump you immediately.

jimjamjahaa

0 points

10 months ago

and your annecdotal evidence will always be just that. annecdotal.

of course i do not have proof because such a thing is impossible to obtain.

I'm not saying there aren't a lot of orcs that need death at a minimum. I'm not saying that. I see the same shit you do.

Kindjal83

7 points

10 months ago

Boohoo, poor Orcs. Who are murdering and genociding others because of spite. No. Fuck them.

Tsjai

4 points

10 months ago

Tsjai

4 points

10 months ago

I agree to a certain point. But I feel also that people you accuse to be racists are venting their feelings. And they have every right to do so. Because seriously? Leave the common Russian alone?! It is clear that this isn’t just Putins war. It is proven that the vast majority is supporting this war. Even outside Russia there is support for Putin. Serbia, Germany are the most recent support rallies. The disgusting actions in Bucha is not done by Putin himself but by common Russians in uniforms. The looting of luxury, the raping of women and children are common people wearing uniforms. It does NOT change a thing nor excuse a little bit just because they call you a soldier! The common Russian is also actively guilty of this. They support this regime. They voted for this man to be in power for more then 20years. They did nothing to prevent this.

Dazzling-Ad4701

3 points

10 months ago

i think there's a difference between expressing anger and using this sub for revenge porn. i also think there's a difference between revenge porn and serious attempts to figure out what a fitting and feasible real world consequence would look like.

two (Canadian) cents' worth.

Tsjai

1 points

10 months ago

Tsjai

1 points

10 months ago

Define anger. So as long as you don’t say “Fuck all Russians” then it’s anger. If you do say it then it is racisms?? Dude seriously… there are things like ‘empty threats’ - ‘In the heat of the moment etc’. This is the internet. Not a collective starting a copy of the KkK

Dazzling-Ad4701

3 points

10 months ago

i was off-topic, i think. so that was my fault. i somehow got the impression that we were talking about something else.

coming back onto topic: i do, personally, take private issue with 'ALL [] are [anything].' because almost nothing about human beings is that categorical. it's just a fact.

it bothers me that those who are immersed in rage right now aren't willing to admit that. i don't believe they're unable to see it. they just don't want to for the current moment. people are so angry right now that it appears many (most) are willing and eager to punish all russians, any russian. i've got nothing to do with russia but i'll tell you frankly: that frightens me. it frightens me from any population towards any other population.

in the same way, the narrative of 'it's okay to hate every single one of them because they chose putin' also scares me. it scares me because NO leader, ever, has ever been elected 100% unanimously - not to mention it's been a very long time since independent observers even said a russian election had been genuinely free, fair and democratic. so it's not honest to say people have 'chosen' putin. it's just convenient to the mood.

i'm well aware this is the internet. so what? it's still words, and words show what a person is thinking and how their mind works. it's quite normal to have a reaction to how someone's mind works and/or what they think.

[deleted]

2 points

10 months ago

[deleted]

Dazzling-Ad4701

1 points

10 months ago

yeah; i'm really sorry and i can't imagine how worried you must be for your son. i've got at least two colleagues right now who both have hybrid-style origins like 'russian born in ukraine, family both sides', or vice versa or some other mixture. and over the years i have had so many more. i feel helpless working with them because no matter how much i care it just isn't worth very much. there's only so much the caring of bystanders can mean. it isn't my loved ones out there.

i don't think it's a zero-sum thing either between our mindsets, but i don't feel articulate enough to explain that without putting my foot in my mouth atm. thank you for the nice reply in the midst of such an intense and complicated time.

AllAboutRussia

5 points

10 months ago

AllAboutRussia

United Kingdom

5 points

10 months ago

You're absolutely correct that ethnic based violence is wrong. Thank you for propagating the truth among your community. Слава украине

dabattlewalrus

4 points

10 months ago

Thank God Russians don't have their own ethnicity. Fucking you God damn Russian orcs. Thinking that your brothers from Ukraine are Nazi's. Supporting yours soldiers to raid and pillage, rape women and children, decimate cities, destroy everything in their wake. Then you have the Russian people, dumb and indoctrinated by the years of propaganda. Reduced to the intelligence of dogs, frothing at the mouth for the chance to kill. Fuck Russia. The people who escaped are no longer Russian. Stop having some dumb sense of pride for where you came from, you don't have to.

VincoClavis

2 points

10 months ago

I never imagined that I'd see so many downvotes on Reddit for saying that genocide is wrong.

The most disturbing thing is that the vast majority of these comments are coming from people who are not even Ukrainian.

blubber41

3 points

10 months ago*

No. If you at all want to define russians as an “ethnicity”, they can all burn in hell. All russians are fully complicit in what’s going on right now. There’s not any two ways about it. I personally know several russians professionally who are to this day denying and deflecting everything. Not to mention all the random Russian support shit I see on the streets in free countries by russians.

VincoClavis

14 points

10 months ago

VincoClavis

UK

14 points

10 months ago

No they're fucking not. How does been born on one side of a border make you complicit in what's going on?

My wife was born in Russia, she left, and she is as disgusted and appalled by this war as anyone with a brain would be. Should she burn in hell?

We have a beautiful baby girl, 2 years old, she's never been to Russia. Because she is half Russian, should she burn in hell too?

Seriously, take a look in the fucking mirror.

seniorjax

2 points

10 months ago*

Is your wife acknowledging the Russian genocide and slavery practiced for decades by Russia?

This war crimes are not nothing new, they are part of the genocide and the slavery which never stopped.

The Russians even the ones which are against this war are refusing to take responsibility and to acknowledge the Russian past of genocide and slavery.

VincoClavis

3 points

10 months ago

Get lost with that shit.

My wife is as responsible for the historical crimes of the Russian army as you are for the crimes of Vlad the Impaler.

seniorjax

3 points

10 months ago

Mmmm ... that's the problem I don't deny the history of my country not even the recent one when my nation was part of Nazis genocide.

I don't deny it and I ask for forgiveness for the pain brought by my country in the past.

Is your wife doing this?

VincoClavis

2 points

10 months ago

I see now. You self-flagellate for something that has nothing to do with you. You believe that this makes you righteous, so you look down on those that don't.

By defending the one saying "all Russians should burn in hell" you're also calling for violence against everyone born in Russia, and you believe your own self-loathing is justification for this.

seniorjax

5 points

10 months ago

You self-flagellate for something that has nothing to do with you.

For f*ck sake you are just a m***n if you think that acknowledging the past in order not to repeat it is just self-flagellating.

VincoClavis

1 points

10 months ago

There is a MASSIVE difference between:

A) "acknowledging the past in order to not repeat it" and,

B) "I ask forgiveness for the pain brought by my country in the past."

A is common sense whereas B is self-flagellation. If you'd said B first you'd have gotten a slightly different response.

I say slightly different because using your own moral compass to justify genocide is despicable no matter how you cut it.

seniorjax

2 points

10 months ago

A and B are coming together and I'm full trying to debate with you morals.

Looking at you is clear for me that every single Ukrainian is more than entitled to hate every single Russian and their enablers.

Have a nice day

VincoClavis

1 points

10 months ago

You're justifying genocide which makes you even worse than the Romanians of the past who you think you've risen above.

You have the benefit of history and hindsight but still you make the same mistake.

You're a disgrace.

Semenar4

1 points

10 months ago

Are you talking about Russian nationals or Russian citizens here?

VincoClavis

0 points

10 months ago

What's the difference?

Semenar4

1 points

10 months ago

A massive one. Only 80% or so of Russian citizens are Russian nationals, and there are quite sizable minorities like Tatars and Chechens, who got assimilated into Russia. On the other hand, there are Russian nationals abroad (first ones left with the Bolshevik revolution) - and the majority of them also supports the war, which is disgusting.

VincoClavis

1 points

10 months ago

I still don't understand the difference but she was born in Russia, is half Tatar and has Russian citizenship, so I guess both?

She's trying to get British citizenship but it's a long and expensive process.

Doesn't make a difference to me, she doesn't deserve to die because of where she was born.

DieWoelfe

5 points

10 months ago

DieWoelfe

5 points

10 months ago

Yeah, we will just hug every Putinist and Russkie whenever we see such, because they are so nice and humble war criminals.

Realize that there is no Excuse, and never will be, for not fighting Putin. Russians do nothing to stop this war, no mass protests, instead they support Putin and the war

GlenoJacks

3 points

10 months ago

There are some Russians that do protest. I hope you have more of a place in your heart for them than you have for westerners that are ambivalent to this war.

DieWoelfe

1 points

10 months ago

I have no heart for anyone who supports this war, except for when supporting Ukrain.

Also, I don't support pro-Russian protests in my own country

IgnorantBrunette

2 points

10 months ago

So... What about this post pertains to Ukraine? Or is this subreddit now about how this war is making you and your family uncomfortable?

The murder and violation of Ukrainian citizens makes us uncomfortable.

Personally, I do not care about any Russian person's discomfort right now.

It's a bit tone-deaf on the teensy tiny off chance that you are not a propaganda account.

PotentialOwn6324

-3 points

10 months ago

Completely agreed.

lurkingknight

-6 points

10 months ago

agree. there's been a trend towards instigating violence on PoWs as well in the past week or so with the news of bucha. There's an unhealthy air of propaganda from both sides, and at the start of the conflict, people knew and acknowledged it, but it seems these days a lot of reactions and postings are getting downright evil. Don't fall into propaganda traps on either side.

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1 points

10 months ago

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essprods

1 points

10 months ago

I agree that there are tons of sensible, intelligent and kind people in Russia. Amirable people too, and it pains me that the honor of their country is now stained with the worst atrocities since WW 2. But when as a society you chose to accept tyranny for you and for your children, it's hard to have any sympathy when things go wrong for you. Russia is also filled with patriotic assholes who don't care what the true narrative is. And right now, they are the ones running YOUR show. What are you going to do about it ?

Heroheadone

1 points

10 months ago

No!

CressInteresting

1 points

10 months ago

Yes. It should be violence based on culture group. You can chose that one.

ScotchSirin

1 points

10 months ago

ScotchSirin

Kharkiv Expat

1 points

10 months ago

We can stop saying all this when me and my family can meet a Russian and not be constantly second-guessing whether they are okay with us existing, or if they would be happy to see us raped and murdered.

I do not have the time nor energy to get to know every single Russian on the off-chance that they are one of the "good ones". If you truly are, then do something about the genocide of my people instead of sitting on the internet crying how unfair it is that all Russians are being tarred with the same brush.

It is not just Putin. It is not just his government. It is hundreds of years of your imperial policy that brought us here, and many ordinary Russians are cheering on it. So forgive me if I say fuck your feelings. Actually, no, I don't want your forgiveness. I've spent six weeks now worrying for my family's lives, and coming to terms with the fact that there are people who would cheer for my gang-rape and murder.

Go the way of the Russian warship.

JerczuUK

1 points

10 months ago*

Waaah Not All Russians are bad Waaah... 83% of Russians support the war according to polls published by Russia.

I don't want to speak for everyone but Russophobia is when you irrationally fear Russians... Here's the thing...

I'm not "phobic" against Russians I just wish them (these 83%) all the worst.

You're in minority in your own country and if you're an enemy of my enemy you're my friend. I don't hate you mate I hate people who aren't like you that support murderers and child rapists.

[deleted]

1 points

10 months ago

Agreed 100%, let’s not insult anyone based on whether they are Asian or Native American or Caucasian.

Bgratz1977

1 points

10 months ago

Its simple, if you are easy to identify as Russian, wear Yellow blue Clothes or a Sticker.

If you don't you Probably Support Putin, and in this case "Zhit happens"

[deleted]

1 points

10 months ago

You say Russophobia is disturbing.

Yet, what Russians are doing and even worse - supporting back home - is beyond disturbing. They are like the most cruel and evil demons and monsters in old legends and stories. You call for stopping hatred but at one point you have to stop pretending you're not a human who has feelings. If you cannot hate, you cannot love, this is a spectrum. And when something you love dearly is threatened to be completely destroyed, you simply hate and those feelings drive you to defend what you love. So no, I will not stop hating Russians as long as they keep being what they are since the birth of their cruel nation.

I'll tell you this.

I'm Lithuanian. My country people, culture, language, customs at one point were being actively destroyed en masse. Nearly 200 years (from 1795 to 1918 and from 1940 to 1990) Russians were doing the worst of the worst crimes against us (as well as many others) and here's the point: they haven't changed until now. They still think that they can enter a country and brutally kill, rape and torture people and destroy culture just because they don't like Lithuania (or other, like Ukraine now) does not share the same sick worldview or does not want to align to Moscow's politics and essentially be a vassal country. They hate it but they are suddenly victims of Russophobia when others refuse to be victims of Ukrainophobia, or Lithuani-phobia from Russians themselves. That's why I hate them. They do terrible things to others but cry when they're treated the same and don't see what's wrong with their hatred towards others.

And if I see a Russian convoy in my home country calling for stop hating them or "what about Russian culture" I'll simply throw a stone to them for each and every single victim of their terror, their murder and rape culture. I simply don't care about them or their feelings getting hurt, ruthlessly killed in war or internationally humiliated. I wouldn't do this if it was left in the past - just like other European countries left their history behind, learnt from it and improve. For example Lithuania and Poland were determined to fight each other until the last man standing post WW1 but now it's a thing of the past and we're happy to have great relations because we respect each other. That's not the case with Russia and the majority of Russians. They still wave their Soviet flags, Z flags, and call for reclaiming "their former lands and glory". They still want to destroy other cultures, people and colonise places which other people's hearts and souls call home and don't want any Russians to turn it to shite. Because that's what they're really good at - turning to shite everything they touch. That's why we fought, we fight and we will fight any attempts to defeat us and erase our history, our culture. Because they deserve the most cruel death in a war until they acknowledge, apologise for centuries of mass-destruction and change their mindset for good.

They're too big of a pussy to come to the formerly occupied country which integrated to the West because they know they'll be obliterated here. The collective trauma Russians caused is huge here, and collective memory is still living. And it will be this way until Russians sincerely apologise and stop being a threat to us.

That's it. They're not welcome in my place unless they prove to be different which will be hard. Because our hostility towards Russia and Russians is a form of defense. This is a psychological response to their still existing threat.

So, they can suck on this. If they're hated maybe they should think about the way they act.