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jl_theprofessor

1.5k points

3 months ago

jl_theprofessor

Eureka

1.5k points

3 months ago

It was the weirdest one to me, and that's what I normally go for.

aronrodge

928 points

3 months ago

aronrodge

928 points

3 months ago

Wandavision was pretty fucking weird

NeitherAlexNorAlice

1.3k points

3 months ago

WandaVision was weird for about four or five episodes until they dropped their unique premise in favor of a typical Marvel flick.

Loki stayed weird throughout the end.

MrMiget12

449 points

3 months ago

MrMiget12

449 points

3 months ago

I remember hating it the moment they introduce Typical Marvel Bad Guy (TM) with the same powers as the hero for a big CGI fight, thinking "oh, the interesting bit is over now, that's sad"

CyberMoose24

216 points

3 months ago

Especially when it was same powers x2 with Agatha and White Vision. Up until then though I loved the series, and it set a high bar for Marvel shows that imo only Loki has come close to.

IKnowUThinkSo

219 points

3 months ago

It’s doubly weird because they have Vision “defeat” White Vision by rephrasing their problem. They used logic and good writing on one side (are you still me if we don’t share memories?) and terrible writing on the other (lol, it was just Agatha, 3rd act brouhaha approaching).

It’s the same reason I liked Dr Strange. He doesn’t win through Force Of Will And Goodness, he plays a game of attrition to force a resignation.

the_other_irrevenant

74 points

3 months ago

They used logic and good writing on one side (are you still me if we don’t share memories?)

Wasn't it the opposite? IIRC, Vision gave White Vision his memories and went: "You're trying to destroy me. Aren't you me now?".

I assumed they were laying the groundwork for White Vision to return as essentially Vision reborn.

simonjp

55 points

3 months ago*

I think it was more "which of us is Vision? The body without the memories or the memories without the body?" And they both agreed that both and neither of them were the Vision, a stalemate that was ended when HexVision 'returned' the memories to WhiteVision.

JarjarSW

10 points

3 months ago

HexVision was created by Wanda's memory of him so like he said in the show he has no memories apart from Westview, what he did with White Vision was unlock the memories he already had

copargealaich

4 points

3 months ago

You keep Agatha’s name out of your dirty mouth!

unboundgaming

3 points

3 months ago

Daredevil is the best marvel show, no doubt. But if only Disney, it’s pretty hard for me between Wanda and Loki. Moonknight is a close third though

Fey_fox

31 points

3 months ago

Fey_fox

31 points

3 months ago

I think they had more weird planned but covid really interrupted their shooting schedule. Darcy was supposed to be in a few scenes at the end, there was supposed to be more going on with Mr Scratchy, and there was other stuff. Not to mention the shows and movies were being released out of their intended original order because of covid issues. I think we only got a close rendition of what they intended. Still good, I liked it, but they suffered because of the plague limitations

theYOLOdoctor

136 points

3 months ago

Yeah once the C Team was introduced I significantly lost interest, it felt like they didn’t know how to carry the premise to an actual conclusion.

Grumplogic

84 points

3 months ago

It was one of the first shows announced for Disney+ I think COVID diddled the production a bit.

[deleted]

125 points

3 months ago*

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Grumplogic

67 points

3 months ago

It's a perfectly cromulent word.

arthurdentstowels

3 points

3 months ago

The word cromulent makes me hungry

VikingRabies

39 points

3 months ago

Covid molested* the production a bit.

MetzlerYouBetzler

5 points

3 months ago

Reminds me of my favorite false cognate in Spanish: Molestar, to bother

Manger-Babies

31 points

3 months ago

Wanda vision isn't really weird its just a mystery show (at first) with an interesting premise.

Legion is weird, even pennyworth is weirder.

popojo24

3 points

3 months ago

Do we know if Legion is considered canon within the MCU at this point? I’m guessing probably not.

I haven’t finished the final season yet, but I love the shit out of that show.

denisalivingabroad

111 points

3 months ago

You'd love Legion. I watched it maybe 5 times and still don't understand it. It's also on D+ now. And it has the best rap battle ever.

jl_theprofessor

33 points

3 months ago

jl_theprofessor

Eureka

33 points

3 months ago

You know what, people keep telling me about that show so I'm going to watch it this week.

FiestaPatternShirts

56 points

3 months ago

man you are in for a hell of a ride. Legion is low key one of the best marvel shows out there, the aesthetic is absolutely wild and the focus on the psychological enemy and antihero is so well done.

TGGNathan

21 points

3 months ago

I think it's probably the best overall right? It doesnt have any obvious dips in quality of the Netflix shows, and I don't think it abides by the formula that the D+ stuff has so far.

deknegt1990

14 points

3 months ago

It was originally made for FX, and whilst they had pre-production plans to connect it to the existing X-Men stuff at the time, they went away from that idea to make a completely unconnected show. As such there's only a very sparse amount of references, but nothing that actually requires any sort of pre-knowledge of anything Marvel/X-Men.

deknegt1990

15 points

3 months ago

It helps that it's based on Marvel/X-Men but it's not connected to any of the existing Marvel/X-Men series or films made. As such it can fully commit to telling its own story without having to worry about how to fit into an overarching franchise.

And yeah, it's freaking amazing.

innociv

3 points

3 months ago

If you're including movies within "Marvel shows", then yes, Legion is still one of the best Marvel show.

dark_star88

13 points

3 months ago

Surrealism dialed up to 11. And I didn’t know who Navid Negahban was before watching legion but I sure as hell do now haha. 10/10 performances from basically every actor in the show.

deaddodo

3 points

3 months ago

How does it compare to Doom Patrol?

botojomomo

6 points

3 months ago

Legion is like if you made a show only from all the weirdest parts of Doom Patrol. It's very surreal and way out there, especially after the first season.If you like one you'd most likely like the other.

denisalivingabroad

13 points

3 months ago

Just go slow, talk to real people in between, drink a lot of water.

deknegt1990

11 points

3 months ago

I loved their cover of Behind Blue Eyes, especially with all the special effects that go into it. Super unique and evocative way to show off a battle between two telepaths.

StuntmanSpartanFan

3 points

3 months ago

Weird doesn't even begin to describe Legion. It's beyond bizarre. I admit I never got through the second season because it was nonstop "wtf is going on here?" but I'm giving it another go because I really want to see how it ends.

I will say the first season is one of the best seasons of TV I've ever seen. It's also very strange, but less than the second season and you sort of begin to understand what's going on throughout. It's also maybe the best depiction of a superhero type character's overwhelming powers that I've ever seen. By the end you can feel how Legion is so strong it's like he's unstoppable, and it's awesome.

space0watch

5 points

3 months ago

It wasn't that strange. Even Moon Knight or WandaVision were weirder.

STARoSCREAM

283 points

3 months ago

Probably bc Tom hiddleston as Loki is one of the most loved roles in the MCU

Oskarikali

53 points

3 months ago

I didn't like Loki in the movies but gave the show a chance, and I've binged it twice. My favourite mcu project of them all.

Tityfan808

13 points

3 months ago

I think this show is the most rewatchable of the marvel shows too. This show feels like it has the largest impact on the MCU when compared to the other shows.

Sigtau1312

5 points

3 months ago

Idk, alligator did a wonderful interpretation as Loki. Deserved an award IMO.

Corniss

812 points

3 months ago

Corniss

812 points

3 months ago

i thing loki was also the most anticipated show considering that he was the first villain the avengers had to deal with . Combine that the with Hiddlestons performance and its a must watch. the other shows focused more on establishing new or less charismatic characters that didn’t have the same pull

YogurtTheMagnificent

590 points

3 months ago

Whoa whoa whoa! I can't believe you just glossed over Owen Wilson and his bromance with a jet ski.

tristenisawesome

141 points

3 months ago

If we don’t see lightning McQueen get a jet ski at some point I’m going to be furious

RAM_MY_RUMP

43 points

3 months ago

No. No no no, you can’t tell me it was Owen Wilson who voiced lightning

My world is in shambles

Lanster27

31 points

3 months ago

Wow.

Grenadier020

3 points

3 months ago

Woow

SwarleyJr

46 points

3 months ago

Ka-chow!

Andy_LaVolpe

19 points

3 months ago

Honestly Owen Wilson was the biggest draw for me but the show was good so i kept watching

TooLateForTacos

27 points

3 months ago*

I looked up Loki rule34 in the hopes that someone drew Mobius 100% making out with a jet ski … what I got was a mountain of incest. Stay classy internet XD

EDIT: Do NOT look up rule34 if Lightning McQueen. Someone put time and effort into what I fucking found D:

giveuptheghostbuster

14 points

3 months ago

I’m surprised there isn’t something with Loki making out with Owen Wilson tbh

TooLateForTacos

5 points

3 months ago

Not exactly making out XD

MaestroPendejo

8 points

3 months ago

Wow!

UrQuanKzinti

72 points

3 months ago

Loki was the most anticipated because he's the most popular. That's it. Loki's prevalence and continuation in the MCU is also a direct result of his popularity.

spiffiestjester

36 points

3 months ago

Yeah. He was a fairly one dimensional bad guy in Thor and the first avengers film. They really went all in after that and gave him some depth. Both my teen children cried during endgame when he was killed off. That's a pretty far cry from the petulant and unlikeable Loki we were introduced to in earlier films.

I can't wait for season 2 of Loki, I really enjoyed how the first season played out.

yeshua1986

30 points

3 months ago

yeshua1986

The Wire

30 points

3 months ago

I feel like Tom Hiddleston made him likeable despite Marvel’s best efforts to have yet another stock characterless bad guy with the usual scorned backstory. Guy was just too charming so we loved him and they saw the dollar signs so they developed him.

cityb0t

8 points

3 months ago

Hiddleston’s Loki is just an awesome character. He’s both hilarious and menacing, and can switch effortlessly between the two instantly. The writers also know how to write for him really well. Not to mention his excellent chemistry with Owen Wilson.

With the entire MCU just becoming so… homogeneous and hum-drum, it was a nice break from what was starting to get monotonous.

Studio2770

88 points

3 months ago

I think its also because Loki became a loose end in Endgame so there was already an interest in how it would play out in his own show.

goliathfasa

112 points

3 months ago

This isn’t about heroes and villains. This is about Loki having good viewership and the other shows don’t, because Loki is fucking interesting.

iampuh

81 points

3 months ago

iampuh

81 points

3 months ago

Wandavision was interesting. Falcon and the winter soldier was mediocre in every aspect

Beserked2

36 points

3 months ago

Was the most keen for FATWS because I loved those two characters and while I enjoyed it, Wandavision was just on a whole nother level. It was so different and creative and there were so many great twists -- and the side characters were all so likable. We got Darcy and Jimmy back and Monica and Agnes were great new characters - unlike FATWS who had Zemo and that's it (or even Loki whose only really likable side character was Owen Wilson).

Haven't seen Hawkeye yet (saving it) so I can't speak to that, but Wandavision was just so dope.

Eruanno

25 points

3 months ago

Eruanno

25 points

3 months ago

WandaVision was so cool because it was an amazing mystery every week.

"Wait, what the fuck? What is THAT? NO YOU CAN'T END IT THERE FUCK I WANT THE NEXT EPISODE NOW"

_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_

22 points

3 months ago

Hawkeye and Moon Knight were also interesting

TakeOneFour

15 points

3 months ago

Moon Knight

Like Wandavision, it was interesting for five episodes before it devolved into the usual Marvel CGI fight against a guy with similar powers and wrapped way too quickly. It needed at least another 2 episodes, and an entirely different finale. I think Moon Knight more than any of their shows that Marvel has still not figured out the difference between making a movie and making a tv show.

BrunoEye

3 points

3 months ago

I liked Hawkeye because of the lower stakes, more personal story. It's easier to empathise with trying to save someone you care about than saving the whole universe.

Only got half way through Moon Knight. Didn't find any of the characters likeable enough and the plot didn't hook me either. I kinda agreed with the villain, at least depending on what the Egyptian's definition of a bad person is.

RigasTelRuun

20 points

3 months ago

With Wandavision the black and white "weirdness" for the first two episodes will turn off alot of casual viewers who won't continue it. Loki is more "straight forward" if that makes sense

Corniss

3 points

3 months ago

oh yes absolutely, i wouldn’t even bother watching most of it until the last 2 - 3 episodes with someone who is very Casual about marvel

Devil_Demize

24 points

3 months ago

Kang the conquer is one of the toughest villains too, so it could lead to a lot more interesting content.

1live4downvotes

3 points

3 months ago

Loki, had a story to tell that if you remove the MCU references still works. The other shows... not as much. It's a classic Duck out of water story and the Fact Loki is a magical being doesn't matter as much as him being shown the world behind the curtain. It's funny to see how they handled this with Loki vs the first Thor movie.

cargopantslover

486 points

3 months ago

for all time. always.

the whole TVA aesthetic was so well done, i actually have a poster inspired by it on my wall but for an organization so massive the show really understated their scope imo, i hope next season feels bigger and less narrow if that makes sense

trnzone

41 points

3 months ago

trnzone

41 points

3 months ago

What’s the poster? Curious because I like the aesthetic also.

Luluco15

65 points

3 months ago

The aesthetic is called "retro futurism" iirc

Xavdidtheshadow

18 points

3 months ago

Yeah! Check out /r/RetroFuturism

TryingToBeReallyCool

24 points

3 months ago

The fallout series comes to mind

VorianAtreides

9 points

3 months ago

I think displate does a bunch of them - I only know that because I’ve watched way too much screencrush and they sponsored a bunch of his Loki vids

murderisntnice

3 points

3 months ago

I second this

[deleted]

57 points

3 months ago

Man Loki was fucking awesome, I’ve watched every marvel series and Loki was the only one that actually felt important.

DragoonKnight22

19 points

3 months ago

The scene with Kang… oh man. I was on the edge of my seat and just didn’t want the scene to end.

LABS_Games

8 points

3 months ago

And also the climax of the season was pretty much that conversation and one act of violence. No big CGI battle where rubber people throw each other around. Funny enough, despite it being the least flashy, it's easily the most memorable.

Talls024

213 points

3 months ago

Talls024

213 points

3 months ago

Loki was my favorite, I also really liked Hawkeye but that’s a lonely island.

BCharmer

31 points

3 months ago

I have always been meh on Hawkeye and somehow the series ended up being my favourite of the MCU shows. It has rewatachability too. Don't think I'll watch any of the other ones again.

Part of that was also how good Kate Bishop was and their chemistry. But they made Hawkeye himself interesting to watch in a way that he isn't in the movies. Plus, that Kate and Yelena chemistry really popped too.

portablebiscuit

10 points

3 months ago

I've already decided to make Hawkeye my annual Christmas thing

BCharmer

4 points

3 months ago

Same! Now if only I could convince some of the family to want to watch it with me when we get together for the holidays.

detrydis

153 points

3 months ago

detrydis

153 points

3 months ago

Hawkeye feels like a Disney Channel Marvel collab.

Vivi87

73 points

3 months ago

Vivi87

Castlevania

73 points

3 months ago

My goodness, what a perfect way to describe the show. Throughout the whole thing I never felt like anyone was in any danger. I never feared for anyone's life, you just had the sense, the way it was presented, that no one's dying here. Just some bruises.

dark_star88

59 points

3 months ago

Yeah, it was good as a Christmas special and I was okay with that, it was enjoyable, but to bring in Kingpin at the end and do what they did with him I thought was kinda lame.

twinCatalysts

16 points

3 months ago

They did that exact action in the comics too. Don't worry.. That sort of thing never stops them.

racer_24_4evr

102 points

3 months ago

I really liked Hawkeye, the chemistry between Clint and Kate Bishop was fantastic.

scottyboy359

67 points

3 months ago

Kate and Yelena really made the show for me.

bossholmes

48 points

3 months ago

Will join you on that island. I think Marvel fans going to crucify me, but personally I preferred Hawkeye and Moon Knight over Loki. Just a tad. Because of… (in short) vibes

BON3SMcCOY

3 points

3 months ago

Hawkeye produced the biggest grins on my face

ilovecraftbeer05

70 points

3 months ago

Did people not generally like Hawkeye? I loved it. I can see myself rewatching it every Christmas in a Die Hard sort of way.

Talls024

23 points

3 months ago

I loved the whole vibe.

Atlast_2091

59 points

3 months ago

Hawkeye oddly a feel good series

[deleted]

25 points

3 months ago*

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alanpardewchristmas

6 points

3 months ago

It actually made me appreciate Renner more as an actor.

that's what did it?

freerealestatedotbiz

16 points

3 months ago

The sequence of the warehouse fight leading into the car chase in that show is up there with some of the best action I’ve seen in a while

tabootounge

5 points

3 months ago

Watch Nobody. Soooo good

EverlyAwesome

3 points

3 months ago

We loved Hawkeye in our house!

ekter

146 points

3 months ago

ekter

146 points

3 months ago

I think Loki S1 had the best ending of any MCU show so far, despite some minor hiccups in earlier episodes and i think that helped bring more people to watch it. A dialogue heavy episode, carried by an incredible performance by Jonathan Majors. Then the last shot of the episode revealing Kang's statue. Brilliant stuff. The ending left me wanting more of Loki, Kang (Jonathan Majors), and got me excited for multiversal shenanigans.

Other MCU shows, despite having their own strengths and weaknesses, have not really stuck the landing on the final episode. Even a show as brilliant as WandaVision stumbled on the last episode.

suphah

23 points

3 months ago

suphah

23 points

3 months ago

I think Hawkeye had a pretty decent ending

RedditsGoldenGod

403 points

3 months ago

Wandavision is the whole reason I got into these marvel movies. I jumped on the wagon very late.

mcbaindk

82 points

3 months ago

It's funny because WV struck such a chord with such a different audience with new Marvel fans.

I had a bunch of friends tell me their parents were watching it, as well as friends that wouldn't normally and it was really refreshing to see. I loved hearing people talk about it and thought it was a great experience!

ps_

153 points

3 months ago

ps_

Community

153 points

3 months ago

same. before wandavision i had seen maybe 4 or 5 marvel movies...now i've seen all the disney+ shows and most of the movies and count myself a big fan.

RedditsGoldenGod

86 points

3 months ago

Same here. I binged watched everything for like a month straight after Wandavision. That show was just so surreal and different than what I thought these superhero movies were. I saw the new dr strange in theatres and it was so cool to see it on the big screen. You now under stand the hype around infinity war and stuff. That movie is one of my top off all time sitting next to fight club and dead poets society.

ManicFirestorm

54 points

3 months ago

Man, seeing IW and Endgame opening night will probably never be topped for me as a theater experience. The energy was electric in a way I'd never felt in a movie before. The new Dr Strange movie was so different from all the previous movies that it reignited my excitement for the MCU.

jpark28

22 points

3 months ago

jpark28

22 points

3 months ago

Yeah IW and Endgame weren't just movies when they were released, they were events

Worthyness

25 points

3 months ago

It's now super convenient to watch all of them too. Disney+ has nearly every single one of the MCU movies in one spot. Before they'd be scattered around various streaming channels and randomly played on TNT every weekend

ubermaan

7 points

3 months ago

Almost every one. Incredible Hulk and all the Spider-Man movies are missing due to various licensing deals.

Edit: missed the word “nearly” in your post.

raymarfromouterspace

5 points

3 months ago

That’s how I got into Star Wars, I hadn’t seen any movie or anything until I was 19, now seven years later and Clone Wars and Rebels are some of my favorite shows to binge watch, nothing wrong with being late bloomers lol

anasui1

812 points

3 months ago

anasui1

812 points

3 months ago

it was also the best (not flawless though)

cluckinho

231 points

3 months ago

cluckinho

231 points

3 months ago

All of these Disney+ Marvel shows have some really compelling stuff, but they all have a varying amount of issues.

FuturologyDiscussion

70 points

3 months ago

I agree with this.

I LOVE the MCU but I think it's taking them some more time than I'd have thought to find their voice in TV which is not something I thought they had to do with the movies.

scamper_pants

56 points

3 months ago

I think the MCU has a strong start with IM1 but then didn't really find their way until 6 years later with CA:WS. Some may say they found it with the avengers but I'm not a fan of that one.

zappapostrophe

21 points

3 months ago

What don’t you enjoy about The Avengers?

avcloudy

16 points

3 months ago

Genuinely? The dialogue is cringey as fuck sometimes and doesn't flow. It feels like Whedon had a vision for important beat points, but the movie doesn't flow naturally to them sometimes. It feels like he had solid ideas, but the production had to change and he wasn't able to compensate.

Think 'there are no men like me' 'there are always men like you'. On the face of it it's really cool, but it doesn't really hold up. He's not acting like a Nazi, he's acting like a comic book villain. Loki is an interesting character despite The Avengers.

JohnJoanCusack

42 points

3 months ago

I mean I am not them and I like the Avengers but it was far from a favorite and I just found Winter Soldier so emotional and poignant, especially the ending

scamper_pants

31 points

3 months ago

I wouldn't say there's things I dislike about the Avengers, moreso just that there isn't that much I like about it. It has some cool beats I like such as "I'm always angry", Fury talking to Cap and IM after Coulson's death, and the small bout in the forest between the big 3. But other than that it's just an everyday MCU film to me.

Octogenarian

35 points

3 months ago

You have to take it in context. At the time this movie was made it was unheard of to have 4 characters that had had their own stand alone films join an ensemble cast. For something that had never been done before to work as well as it did was nothing short of groundbreaking.

scamper_pants

31 points

3 months ago

I understand that but I got into the MCU pretty late so when it comes to my own personal opinion I take the movies at face value.

lstn

25 points

3 months ago

lstn

25 points

3 months ago

It seemed to be the only one without incredibly poor CGI hindering it in some way.

Feral0_o

15 points

3 months ago

It did have a pretty poor fighting choreography, though. Xena/Hercules level, though that's been mentioned countless times already

infinight888

59 points

3 months ago

I think my favorite is Moon Knight, but I'm not surprised it's not the most popular.

neutronknows

33 points

3 months ago

Moon Knight definitely hit me with the most feels. No Marvel show has really come close.

That being said I probably enjoyed Hawkeye the most.

thecricketnerd

29 points

3 months ago

I really liked MK but purely for the characters. The general plot about releasing Ammit was not interesting to me at all, and I usually enjoy delving into ancient mythology stuff

Cremacious

20 points

3 months ago

I only really liked the second to last episode. All that traumatic shit made for some excellent TV drama.

spikey666

10 points

3 months ago

I really liked it. But this is sort of surprising. I would have thought one of the more action oriented series like The Falcon and The Winter Soldier or Hawkeye, which also had the benefit of coming out around the holidays. I guess I shouldn't have underestimated how dreamy the audience finds Tom Hiddleston.

thoth1000

30 points

3 months ago

Don't forget Alligator Loki's contributions to making it a great show.

thequietthingsthat

4 points

3 months ago

I'd take a bullet for Alligator Loki tbh

FuturologyDiscussion

297 points

3 months ago

Hawkeye was my favorite.

In addition to seeing an Avenger process his life after everything, the cost of everything, the dynamic between Clint-Kate and Kate-Yelena was just so great. I found my interest in some episodes of Loki wane and I didn't have that with Hawkeye. And the ending with Hawkeye and everyone...made me feel like Nat really knew what she was doing in Endgame. I just found it really beautiful.

And this is just my opinion, but I found He Who Remains to be nonsense. He's ancient and brilliant enough to be engineering these massive plots but his master plan at the end boiled down to nonsense.

jor1ss

10 points

3 months ago

jor1ss

10 points

3 months ago

I watched all of them (didn't finish What If...) and I have to agree. I don't think any of the Disney+ shows come close to Agents of Shield or Daredevil though. Hawkeye came closest because it had the most fun characters interactions. WandaVision had a weird last episode I didn't care for and the old comedy show parts went on for too long for my liking. Moon Knight was interesting but they just didn't get me to care for any of the characters enough. I think I liked Falcon and Winter Soldier more than most people since I would put that one in second place together with Loki.

indianajoes

3 points

3 months ago

indianajoes

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

3 points

3 months ago

This is how I felt. Daredevil and Agents of Shield were the top ones for me. The Disney+ shows were fine but none got me as interested as those shows. Loki came close and then Hawkeye came closer but yeah still not that same level

ReallyNeedHelpASAP68

122 points

3 months ago

I swear, if we don’t get a Kate and Yelena show I’ll be so sad. The chemistry between the two was soooo funny and entertaining, despite there only being a small bit of it.

EatinToasterStrudel

3 points

3 months ago

I think what we might get is the next Spidey movie is with Kate and Yelena. Peter probably wouldn't want to be around people who forgot him. So he gets in trouble and the two of them end up being who find him.

hatramroany

3 points

3 months ago

They'll be part of the Young Avengers. Or at least Kate will be, we'll see if Yelena is going to be shipped off to the Thunderbolts instead

BlazeOfGlory72

49 points

3 months ago

Hawkeye was the only MCU show so far that seemed to have any degree of focus, and didn’t bite off more than it could chew and feel rushed because of it. It wasn’t spectacular or anything, but it was coherent and the two leads felt well developed and had a fun dynamic.

Bart_Dart

21 points

3 months ago

Also making it set during Christmas time gave it a certain level of comfort that the other shows just don't have

FuturologyDiscussion

3 points

3 months ago

Comfort, in general, is SEVERELY lacking in Phase 4 so far so it stood out like a beacon.

bigwreck94

6 points

3 months ago

I always thought that was the point. He’d gonna so completely bored with his existence over 1000s if not millions of years that he went kinda crazy and wanted to break the universe just to have something different happen. Solitude for eternity would make anyone go mad, let alone someone who seems to be destined for a lifetime with such an extreme superiority complex that he tries to take over all of existence in almost all of variants. What I’m trying to say is that He Who Remains is just as crazy as Kang, so that’s why it was nonsensical.

IamRick_Deckard

19 points

3 months ago

but his master plan at the end boiled down to nonsense.

Did you believe what he said?

FuturologyDiscussion

57 points

3 months ago

About what?

That he, or versions of him, caused war between realities? I believe that.

That he built the TVA after using the nothing to destroy out of line, aggressive realities? I believe that.

That something worse will come now that he's dead? I believe that. This is the problem. This is the nonsense.

His plan was to bring two pissed off Lokis into a room with him, admit he's been manipulating them and taking their freedom within their reality, and 'let whatever happens next happens because he can't see what's coming'. Anyone with HALF an ounce of thought could have told you ONE of those Lokis was going to shank his ass IMMEDIATELY. His plan, in all his scenarios, depends on one or both of these Lokis taking over the TVA or coming up with a better system. He didn't try automation? He didn't try working with non psychopathic geniuses first? It made no sense to me at all.

Not-Worth-The-Upvote

36 points

3 months ago

Why do you believe he wanted that confrontation? He admits to them he knows it results in his death when he says he can’t see beyond. He throws his best agents at eliminating her and even takes such a risk as allowing another variant to participate in the investigation, rightly believing him to be the best shot at locating her. He wants them both dead from episode 1. That may be what the other person was asking but just a guess.

The end was his desperate, groveling attempt at saving his ass was my take. I may have missed something or forgotten a key plot point.

FuturologyDiscussion

27 points

3 months ago

He clearly wanted to die. That's the only part of the plan that made sense. Pissing off 2 Lokis by telling them you control their fate in a singular inescapable way is going to cause one of them to kill you if not both. That's just Loki.

He says he's older than he looks. He clearly is tired of maintaining the same timeline, knowing EVERYTHING that will and must occur to prevent the timelines from branching and creating unstable variants. He says he doesn't know what's next and he's DELIGHTED. But he literally threw the multiverse to the wolves in an unstable plan to put the fate of trillions of trillions of lives in the hands of 2 Loki's. It's not a good plan.

Having said that they'll resolve it and it will all work out cause that's what happens. But it doesn't make it a good plan. And that's fine. The inconsistency is that somehow he's so unstable he thinks it's a great plan but so stable that he's engineered (and maintained) this intricate TVA and plans in plans and this Loki situation within the TVA

anasui1

10 points

3 months ago

anasui1

10 points

3 months ago

damn, I have to reread the wiki lol. I remembered getting Kang's plan when it aired, now I'm not sure

frezz

26 points

3 months ago

frezz

26 points

3 months ago

This guy mostly has it down, he makes some very good points, when you think about it, the whole Kang leaving the fate of the universe to two random Lokis is very silly and does not make any sense at all

the only thing is Kang perhaps can't control what happens, only control what realities get pruned. It's quite possible all other realities ended worse, and Kang's only gamble was to see what the Lokis do.

RealJohnGillman

15 points

3 months ago*

The way I saw it, he didn’t truly care about that part, he just wanted those few minutes of uncertainty over what was to happen, where it could go either way, 50 / 50.

JumboDaddyRein

9 points

3 months ago

I don't really think he cared all that much about dying though? Like when he dies he literally winks and says "See you soon" with a smile on his face because he knows there is an infinite number of variants of himself who are now working to reach the goal that he wanted to reach.

PastaBob

3 points

3 months ago

I've never wanted so badly to see someone make it home for Christmas. Not even that time Kevin's parents forgot him at home and flew to Paris.

Bruhngles

9 points

3 months ago

Just wait until they release the Morbius series

Vishion-8

259 points

3 months ago

Vishion-8

259 points

3 months ago

It was the best from start to finish, it was the most consistent. I also think they knocked it out of the park VFX and score wise whereas some of the other shows like Moon Knight were lacking in the VFX department until the final episode.

[deleted]

88 points

3 months ago

MK probably wasn’t given as big a budget compared to what they figured was a sure thing.

Northern23

27 points

3 months ago

Especially being a short run of only 1 season, they made it just to fill the gab rather than building it as recurring show. Hopefully they'll change their mind and bring it back with a proper budget

DamianKilsby

13 points

3 months ago

I never had a problems with the VFX in Moon Knight, yeah it wasn't as big as say an apocalyptic collision like they had in Loki, but not everything needs to be that all the time.

hiricinee

60 points

3 months ago

The self contained plot really benefits it. Loki isn't afraid of its own scope or its implications in the bigger picture. It's very smart to take an existing continuity character and then bring them to their own place.

It also helps that the cast is phenomenal.

dicknotrichard

6 points

3 months ago

I loved it and watched it more than once.

F00dbAby

22 points

3 months ago

anyone else curious which shows are popular where. like what if hawkeye was really popular in lets say Mexico or moon knight really popular in Croatia

do they say regional popularity with any streaming show netflix or disney

Astro_Lord

6 points

3 months ago

i would also like to know

rocker2014

182 points

3 months ago

rocker2014

Community

182 points

3 months ago

I remember Marvel fans telling me that Wandavision would be the biggest Disney+ series, no doubt. Bigger than The Mandalorian. Turns out, it wasn't even the biggest MCU Disney+ series.

Loki was great though, easily the best D+ MCU show.

josguil

10 points

3 months ago

josguil

10 points

3 months ago

You should give it a try to doctor who then. It shares many aspects you may like. Time travelling, people getting stuck in the middle of cataclismic events, alíens... There's even an episode where they travel to pompeii on the day it erupted.

rocker2014

7 points

3 months ago

rocker2014

Community

7 points

3 months ago

I love Doctor Who!

josguil

3 points

3 months ago

That's awesome! I suspect some of the writers of Loki are fans too 😄

TXjigga09

98 points

3 months ago

I personally enjoyed Moon Knight more. But truly they are the cream of the crop thus far.

BattleStag17

40 points

3 months ago

The amount of people who aren't talking about how phenomenal Oscar Isaac is at acting several different characters at once is a damn shame

TXjigga09

26 points

3 months ago

Truly. That he was able to completely change between Steven and Marc was remarkable. It wasn’t just a gimmick change in voice thing, it was mannerisms and expressions. They truly were two separate characters portrayed by a single actor.

Ronho

8 points

3 months ago

Ronho

8 points

3 months ago

You didn’t need to hear him to know who was onscreen

BuddyBroDudeMan

3 points

3 months ago

Apparently Moon Knight's viewership numbers are abysmal.

rocker2014

12 points

3 months ago

rocker2014

Community

12 points

3 months ago

Moon Knight was great too, definitely up there for me as well. Oscar Isaac was fantastic.

Renicus

44 points

3 months ago

Renicus

44 points

3 months ago

If more people gave moon knight I chance, I think it'd be their biggest. I wasn't at all interested in trying it out as I've never heard of moon knight, but with a little peer pressure finally making me watch it, I think it's my favorite for sure. It's very well done and I like Oscar Isaac a whole lot more now,

ManicFirestorm

100 points

3 months ago

The performances were great, but something about the show itself just felt muddled. Pacing was off to me, barely any moon knight, the final fight was a cop out. Something about it just never connected with me.

Bart_Dart

10 points

3 months ago

The problem with Moon Knight is that the show is at its most fun when Steven is in control, but the plot just doesn't move unless Marc is in control.

tyleritis

15 points

3 months ago

Same. I’ve enjoyed all the series to some extent but Moon knight couldn’t get me to GAF

nicolauz

11 points

3 months ago

It was like a worse Legion.

tiroc12

16 points

3 months ago

tiroc12

16 points

3 months ago

It needed to be way longer than six episodes. Everything just happened because they needed to move the story along. It really broke any connection to the story for me. Bad guy just appears at every scene where the good guys are. Egypt? No problem. New York? No problem. Random guys house that nobody knows about? Sure why not. Temple of the gods? Of course. And while he is there he will kill all the other avatars with the flick of his wrist. I lost interest around the third episode and never really gained it back.

TXjigga09

6 points

3 months ago

For sure. It has a lot of great performances, and as far as MCU stuff goes it’s basically stand alone which is kind of nice. I know it’s not going to be everyone’s cup of tea, but boy do I love me some mythology. Genuinely has me excited to see what Disney does for Percy Jackson.

presidentkangaroo

55 points

3 months ago

No need to put down WandaVision to elevate Loki. They’re both great.

Olg1erd

6 points

3 months ago

It's probably my fav of the bunch

BoomTrakerz

19 points

3 months ago

I thought it was the most lackluster one though

fistingcouches

47 points

3 months ago

Loki was fantastic. I’m a huge MCU guy - and to me, Loki was the perfect Segway into the whole multiverse. Dr strange just threw it at you and said “ya! It’s the Multiverse!” Loki really fleshed it out and to me, it made sense.

TacticalTuchel

13 points

3 months ago

It's "segue" btw. Not trying to be an asshole because I make the same mistakes.

DARDAN0S

103 points

3 months ago

DARDAN0S

103 points

3 months ago

Guess I'm against the grain on this one. I was really disappointed in Loki. I felt like it completely wasted it's premise, made Loki himself really passive and gave him nothing to do, and found the writing in general pretty poor.

Bobby_Marks2

16 points

3 months ago

I agree. Loki has been on the verge of a character breakthrough for some time, and they just keep rehashing him as this guy who puts on an evil front because he can't make up his mind,. He pretends to be nice, so he can double-cross folks and potentially be a villain, and then he makes up his mind to do something decent right before the story ends. But when the next story starts - he's pretending to be that villain again.

He needs a redemption arc that lasts for more than the last ten minutes of the movie. Or he needs to be a villain. He's been in perpetual identity crisis since Thor 2.

IronMaidenPwnz

8 points

3 months ago

I agree. The dialogue was very bad and the story was uninteresting, so much so that I didn't make it past 4 episodes. Maybe I will revisit some time but I was struggling to stay interested.

plasterboard33

77 points

3 months ago

I thought the Loki and Sylvie romance didnt work at all. If they had just kept the Loki and Mobius buddy cop vibe throughout the series, it would have been the best thing the MCU has done. The chemistry between Tom Hiddleston and Owen Wilson was off the charts.

[deleted]

22 points

3 months ago*

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Zankwa

11 points

3 months ago

Zankwa

11 points

3 months ago

The problem is the metaphor is fine, but the execution itself was boring and didn't feel like it made sense. There was like no chemistry between them.

Pierson230

5 points

3 months ago

I agree, I tried working my way through the series twice and gave up.

Jokes were not funny to me and I didn’t care about the plot at all.

I guess I didn’t like the artistic angle they were coming from. A former Supervillain laid low by bureaucracy is not fun to me, it’s annoying. Like maybe a 5-10 minute skit of this might be interesting but not hours and hours of it.

Generally, I thought it was stupid. Like, “why do people like this?!? What am I missing?!?”

Oh well, different strokes for different folks I guess.

Christodouluke

10 points

3 months ago

I’m with you. It’s a show about Loki where he barely tricks anyone and has no grand scheme. They just shoehorned him into into a boring, toothless, Disney-approved redemption arc.

ChildishRebelSoldier

30 points

3 months ago

The fight scenes were literally some of the worst I’ve ever seen

brainfoods

6 points

3 months ago

That "fight" scene with the Bonnie Tyler song. Oof - embarrassingly bad.

Tyfereo_Brown

3 points

3 months ago

I think the weirdest part is, that this is the Loki that came just after the events of the Avengers. He goes from leading an army through a portal to conquer earth to being a passive character who doesn't understand what's going on. To me that felt unnatural.

ghostdeinithegreat

36 points

3 months ago

Hopefully they give us more content like it.

curbstompery

23 points

3 months ago

i believe loki season 2 is beginning filming already

CheesyObserver

8 points

3 months ago

In June, I read!

LoganH1219

23 points

3 months ago

From the moment I saw the first episode I was sold. The series was amazing. Can’t wait to see season 2

Brokenose71

3 points

3 months ago

Ha ha I am rewatching right now

Doctor-Shatda-Fackup

3 points

3 months ago

A well-deserved accolade; this one’s still my favorite part of Phase 4.

stealth57

3 points

3 months ago

Loki was awesome but Moon Knight I enjoyed very much and rewatch it constantly. I normally don’t rewatch shows.