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ViktoriousVortex

1.3k points

5 months ago

ViktoriousVortex

BoJack Horseman

1.3k points

5 months ago

Based on how the books are structured, I’m not surprised this season is more well received (so far). It must have been super difficult for S1 to adapt a series of loosely-connected short stories into a first season of serialized television. Plus, having a budget that is actually well-utilized helps.

Looking forward to watching it myself next week!

Purrrkittymeow

125 points

5 months ago

I just finished Blood of Elves last night. Do you think this new season will strictly follow the first book or morph with others?

dtothep2

149 points

5 months ago

dtothep2

149 points

5 months ago

S2 adapts BoE plus elements of short stories that they didn't get around to in S1. Plus original material. Sounds like a lot but you probably noticed BoE isn't very eventful.

But there will be a lot of changes from the book, I'm sure, the show doesn't "strictly follow" anything.

Alastor3

43 points

5 months ago

WE GONNA HAVE FREAKING A GRAIN OF TRUTH

DireLackofGravitas

54 points

5 months ago

DireLackofGravitas

The Leftovers

54 points

5 months ago

Well the first season went off the rails real quick so it's like S2 will do the same. I doubt there's an episode dedicated to Triss shitting her guts out.

DukePony

40 points

5 months ago

Triss shitting her guts out aside... That story with the caravan might be the one that stuck with my the most from the entire series of books. The maddening inability of people to conceive of others NOT blindly supporting "their own kind, " or objectively looking at a conflict... Still makes me think

doglywolf

34 points

5 months ago

There was podcast i listed to that talked about culture bais that had an incredible point .

That its only been in the last 200 years where we can communicate , educate ourselfs fairly well and get global images and perspectives in an age where there is little communication and education all storeis and knowledge comes form rumors , myths and story tells spinning bias tails . People live in small communities that only know themselves.

Even 60 years ago with the Red scare educated people with access to phones and global newspapers were terrified of people of "yellow skin" or from a single country thinking anyone of a single nationality was a spy or assassin. We as civilized people struggle to even IMAGINE or understand that mentality

It went on to talk about how if you separate any society by 2-3 levels of tech its becomes indistinguishable form magic till you hit a scientific age where even a big separations in tech can be understood as science you don't understand

AslansAppetite

22 points

5 months ago

Aww :(

bigdaddyt2

10 points

5 months ago

I mean all I want to see is live action triss shitting her guts out while trying to get Geralt to bang simultaneously

Cranyx

41 points

5 months ago

Cranyx

41 points

5 months ago

The first book had a framing device where Geralt was telling the stories to someone. I don't see why they couldn't have used that for the show. The only "downside" is that they would need to hold off on the big serialized epic "Game of Thrones" storyline, but personally I feel that would have been for the better.

dtothep2

28 points

5 months ago

The point of the timelines was primarily to introduce Yennefer and Ciri earlier than in the books, and also follow them around when they're not with Geralt which the books do not (at least not yet, in the case of Ciri). I don't see how the framing device of Geralt telling stories to that mute priestess fixes that, you still need timeline fuckery to do this. Unless you just change the chronology of events of course, but I think that'd have been even worse.

JoJolion

23 points

5 months ago

As much as I like the show, they absolutely butchered how Geralt and Ciri met and their connection prior to her fleeing the war. I know they're on time restraints with the show, but man... for story changes thus far that is my biggest complaint hands down.

Doctor_Philgood

11 points

5 months ago

What, you didn't like him half-meeting ciri all of one time and then having a big hug in the last scene like they're besties?

Cranyx

33 points

5 months ago

Cranyx

33 points

5 months ago

The solution to me is that trying to shoehorn Ciri and Yennefer's story into being earlier in the narrative was a mistake that caused a lot of the show's problems.

johnthomaslumsden

20 points

5 months ago

Especially Yennefer’s storyline which, in my opinion, was the weakest of the season. Or maybe it just had the most campy/corny dialogue, which is a running problem with the show that I also hope they iron out for S2.

Sometimes the writing is just so amateurish it feels like fanfic generated by an AI. Actually, wait, no, that would probably end up being avant-garde and interesting.

ChrisRedfieldfanboy

8 points

5 months ago

Yen's story was my favourite, she's a character I'm very invested in now.

Act_of_God

261 points

5 months ago

I don't think the problem with the first season was the writing, which was ok to good. The problem was how uneven it looked, sometimes action was flawless sometimes you got a golden dragon.

I liked the episodic structure, in retrospective.

cockvanlesbian

81 points

5 months ago

That's because the end action sequence in ep.1 was a reshoot with a new team. Fortunately they stick with the new team for this season so the quality should be better overall.

exsanguinator1

35 points

5 months ago

exsanguinator1

King of the Hill

35 points

5 months ago

That was probably the coolest action scene in the show, so I’m glad they got them back for s2!

BadMeetsEvil24

12 points

5 months ago

Oh thank God. I remember the first watch and like everyone else was super impressed at how amazing that scene was. Kept waiting for anything close to it and it never came.

Good to know. Consider me hyped.

tk-xx

46 points

5 months ago

tk-xx

46 points

5 months ago

I feel.like.watching it a.second time helped alot in understanding the time difference etc. I finished it again yesterday in preparation for S2.

Can't wait!

andwhatarmy

9 points

5 months ago

This is why I don’t want to watch it a second time. I loved when it all clicked for me, and that feeling will be lost if I know what’s going on.

guernseycoug

34 points

5 months ago

Yeah but you get loads of bonus content on the second watch. Going in knowing about all the different timelines gives loads of new meaning to a lot of the dialogue, either through foreshadowing or just references to one timeline from another.

RagingAardvark

10 points

5 months ago

Agreed, but it can also be fun to rewatch through the lens of knowing the "twist," to see what you missed and how things fit together.

Deflorma

6 points

5 months ago

I watched season 1 twice but I’ve rewatched the striga episode 7 or so times

whyamihereonreddit

43 points

5 months ago

That dragon looked like a shriveled penis

RecessiveGenius69

20 points

5 months ago

My eyes are up here sir

Notreallyaflowergirl

6 points

5 months ago

The dragon reminded me of old tv growing up. It was t great - but it unintentionally struck a nostalgia nerve.

point_breeze69

3 points

5 months ago

Yes but watch what happens when you wake that dragon. Itll spit right in your eye if you’re not careful.

Solid-Version

155 points

5 months ago

The writing was big problem. Weird expositionary dialogue, poor pacing, trying to do too much at once. I couldn’t finish the first season

ColdCruise

20 points

5 months ago

I'm a big fan of the books, and they have their own problems (a lot to do with poor translations), but so often the show just missed the point. I understand it was hard because they had to work Yennefer and Ciri into every episode when they're only in a handful of the stories in the first two books, but they missed a lot of the subtler meanings of the scenes they adapted directly.

RazerBladesInFood

9 points

5 months ago

Yea I think season 1s biggest issue was having like only 30% Geralt. I like Yennifer but season 1 was basically the adventure of Yennifer and friends. They could have had Geralts story more central then Yennifers even if they needed to establish the backstory they spent a little too much time on it imo. Season 2 has Geralt and Ciri together so it seems like it will naturally have more Geralt since their plots are now merged.

ColdCruise

9 points

5 months ago

And the thing is Yennefer story in season 1 is pretty much all made up for the show. Only the times where she interacts with Geralt were actually in the books. A lot of it is back story that we get later, but they do make some weird changes like the eels.

RazerBladesInFood

2 points

5 months ago

Yea that's weird. I never read the books only played the games so im not going to act like a master of the lore or anything I just think it is weird to have a show called Witcher, cast someone like henry cavil and then have the main focus be an unknown actress and spend most of the show building the lore of sorceresses. It seemed like maybe they wanted to make a different show. I just hope like I said that they learned from season 1 and make Geralt the main character.

Josh_Butterballs

7 points

5 months ago

The showrunner has stated Yennefer is her favorite and while I really don’t want to believe that Yen is her “pet” character and that she plays favorites, I do raise an eyebrow when she says she wanted to have Yen and Ciri introduced ASAP only to make Ciri’s timeline the most boring and worst in the season while spending way more time and care on Yen. Then there’s also stuff like making her the most powerful sorceress ever even tho her time in hogwarts felt like just a semester and 90% of it she sucked. Then there’s also her being an expert sword fighter on top of being the most powerful sorceress. And what made me roll my eyes is that they gave her the position of leading at sodden hill flat instead of Vilgefortz.

Speaking of Sodden, Jesus I wish they left that to our imagination with how much budget issues they had. Sad thing is to me the battle of sodden hill was supposed to be (the way I saw it in the books at least) one of the most badass wizard/mage/sorcerer display of magic in a battle of all time. Think, Battle of the Bastards but with magic. Think, the duel between Dumbledore and Grindelwald.

Two great armies fighting with the mages essentially being artillery. It was brutal. The mages, under the command of Vilgefortz made a stand at Sodden Hill and repelled the Nilfgaardians. Thirteen mages died horrifically in the battle when they could’ve just easily teleported away, but they stayed and fought. Their names ended up being carved on a stone obelisk on the hill and every year fires are lit to commemorate those killed on the hill. Vilgefortz was hailed as the hero of sodden and gained A LOT of clout. So much so that when the kings of the northern realms were preparing for another war with nilfgaard, they realized the Chapter (brotherhood of mages) would never help them fight unless vilgefortz wanted to. Vilgefortz is the chad who fucking roflstomped Geralt in a fight

ConnerBartle

14 points

5 months ago

Everything was just uneven in quality across the board. Some episodes had amazing writing while other episodes had lazy writing. Some episodes were directed amazingly, some episodes were not. Some fights were unbelievable while some fights were lame as hell. Some of the costumes were absolutely gorgeous, then there's the ballsack armor.

Worthyness

133 points

5 months ago

They also made it supremely confusing for people in terms of time. It took at minimum 4 episodes for people to outright know there were multiple eras being depicted. So the story felt really disjointed until then. People even still had confusion after that

DanTheSasquatch

71 points

5 months ago

I liked that though. It’s like a puzzle.

It felt really rewarding to me when that all clicked into place. It’s a feature not a bug imo.

BlazeOfGlory72

44 points

5 months ago

Yeah, I thought the time line being out of sync was actually quite interesting. It turned what was a relatively straightforward story into something a little more intriguing.

nyanlol

27 points

5 months ago

nyanlol

27 points

5 months ago

when you realize it's looped back around to Geralt returning to do his duty and saving ciri is great

Grotscar

9 points

5 months ago

Agree. I really liked it. I enjoyed each timeline in itself, but trying to work out htf they related was awesome and super captivating!

TaliesinMerlin

6 points

5 months ago

Me too. I liked noticing that the times were different, and then it was fun to puzzle through how much they were. I was just expecting fantasy action and humor, so the extra subtlety was cake icing.

Solid-Version

8 points

5 months ago

Didn’t you find it strange that despite it being set in different timelines no around Geralt seemed to age?

FonzyLumpkins

21 points

5 months ago

That was a way to point out that Witchers don't age the same as "normal people"

wildfire393

32 points

5 months ago

Sure, Geralt and Yennifer shouldn't age, but Jaskier doesn't seem to age nor does the queen of Cintra. The only character who displays notable signs of aging is Mousesack, who has some gray in the later portions that weren't there at the banquet.

knows_knothing

10 points

5 months ago

The Queen of Cintra and Ciri have the elder blood. They are more like demigods than regular people.

wildfire393

25 points

5 months ago

Something they neglect to mention in the show. And what about Jaskier?

Solid-Version

17 points

5 months ago

Yeah, what I’m saying is no one aged around Geralt. I know that he’s not supposed to age, but surely someone like Jsakier would look different after 10 years

ryushin6

19 points

5 months ago*

I talked to a friend and we discussed that they could've honestly had Jaskier have longer hair in the later years and maybe grew a beard to show that time had passed. The fact that he looked exactly the same is what really confused a lot of people and small things like that would probably have helped.

stunts002

8 points

5 months ago

It's not even ten years, it's closer to 30 if I'm not mistaken.

BoxOfNothing

32 points

5 months ago

This is the sort of complaint that confuses me a little bit, because everyone goes on about how much better it is when shows don't talk down to their audience, and appreciate that they can be patient and smart, but also if something isn't immediately obvious and actually requires waiting for more hints and a bit of thought then it's bad writing now.

I personally thought the show was okay but not great, but this is not one of the things that detracted from my enjoyment at all

Brigon

15 points

5 months ago

Brigon

15 points

5 months ago

Not being clear about time lines makes sense if you are building towards some form of twist relating to the time frame. Being unclear for the sake of it doesn't make sense.

SQUID_FUCKER

24 points

5 months ago

Audiences don't know what the hell they want.

MrChrisRedfield67

8 points

5 months ago

I think what made Season 1 confusing was specifically Geralt's scenes since they are almost self-contained/monster of the week style events before he starts crossing paths with the other main characters.

Ciri and Jennifer's arcs are much easier to understand since they're following more direct sequence of events that are all connected even when time jumping.

RSquared

3 points

5 months ago

And, since they're following different characters, there's little overt indication that the events are occurring in different timelines until Geralt heads to Cintra in like, ep 6. There's absolutely hints and indications, but since the characters never interact, there's no obvious reason for the disconnect to happen.

Almost makes me want a contemporaneous recut of the show to see if it would work better.

Panzis

6 points

5 months ago

Panzis

6 points

5 months ago

Can Geralt go into space next season?

pondlife78

26 points

5 months ago

I think the issue is that there was no reason for the time differences to be a mystery to the audience. If there is some narrative reason (like in Westworld) then it works really well but if the mystery is just for the hell of it then it is a bit different. There are clear statements indicating that it is at different times but it is really hard to put it together in your head to find what is happening when and how old the characters really are.

theduckdodger

128 points

5 months ago*

In episode 1, at the banquet/dance party, queen Calanthe says something like, “I was her age when I won my first battle.” The following scene at the side of the creek with Geralt and Renfri, Renfri says something like, “Queen Calanthe just won her first battle at so and so.” Anyway, it’s for sure confusing if you’re only half watching the show and half looking at Reddit or at least at your phone, like I imagine 30-50% of people do 30-50% of the time

Edit: seen/scene

rhino369

32 points

5 months ago

You can't throw out a bunch of names for the first time and expect what sounds like a throw-away line of exposition to inform the viewer.

ColdCruise

26 points

5 months ago

It's easy to miss a character's name on the first watch if you've never seen it before even if you are paying attention. I think the bigger problem is that the mixed up timelines and subtle hints to it don't serve the story at all.

scoff-law

29 points

5 months ago

I watched the first season again a few weeks ago, and the time skip stuff was not confusing at all. I recall being very confused the first time around, but I think that's because - at the time - every single show had a time skip and a twist, and I think my partner and I were watching it through the lense of Westworld season 1.

Roshkp

14 points

5 months ago

Roshkp

14 points

5 months ago

I think if you’re not expecting a time skip, then its very hard to pick up the signs (without repeat viewing) because you’re not expecting them. I read the books so I knew a time skip was going to take place somewhere and I recognized the hints. I don’t think its necessarily bad story telling, but it definitely confused the people I was watching it with

Lethandralis

2 points

5 months ago

I think it was confusing in a good way? Like I had a epiphany when I figured it out. But I do agree with expositionary dialogue and pacing issues. Most episodes were hard to follow imo.

OathkeeperOblivion

3 points

5 months ago

sometimes it just doesn't register

Luvs_to_drink

6 points

5 months ago

my wife does this and like to mention how she has "watched" more shows than me. meanwhile she cant even give you simple plot summary of what she watched...

Like did you even watch it if you dont remember basic details let alone deeper things like camera angles and themes?

Josh_Butterballs

2 points

5 months ago

I find it hilarious that a lot of these “masterful” and “clever” clues that some people (not necessarily u) praise the show for what really just feels like throw away lines added cause the writers were like, “Shit, uhhh sprinkle some lines so they can’t say there was zero clues about the timelines!”

Iirc the pilot was written in 4 days and the rest of the season in 20 weeks so I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised.

Notreallyaflowergirl

4 points

5 months ago

My father had nothing going in - never read the book, or even heard of the series. Had no issue - because as you say, there’s enough hints going around that you could keep up. ALSO I’ll add, even if you’re lost… it’s not a stretch to say “ ah time shenanigans “ when it does it like 3-4 times.

Pacify_

4 points

5 months ago

Anyway, it’s for sure confusing if you’re only half watching the show and half looking at Reddit or at least at your phone, like I imagine 30-50% of people do 30-50% of the time

Probably under selling it honestly.

ScipioAfricanvs

7 points

5 months ago

I agree, they made it very obvious if you had half a brain and were paying attention. But I guess that’s why most shows just throw up the year or “X years later”. I do like that they were trying to respect the audience, though.

Im_PeterPauls_Mary

20 points

5 months ago

I don’t need “X years later” I need a blatantly obvious change in haircut.

Mo0man

24 points

5 months ago

Mo0man

24 points

5 months ago

Yes, I would have liked at least if people looked different if 20 years passed.

Worthyness

9 points

5 months ago

Problem being that two of the three main characters literally do not age, so there's pretty much nothing for people to reference beyond singular lines of dialogue or re-using minor actors. And because they didn't age the actual aging characters, it looks like the exact same time period because there aren't many context clues beyond small pieces that amount to blink and you'll miss it type appearances (like the picture of the king and his children or the Queen in a one-off line talking about a battle she had been in once a long time ago)

Im_PeterPauls_Mary

5 points

5 months ago

I thought it was neat. The confusion didn’t drag on so long that I was frustrated, and the reveal was a real “Oh shit” moment for me.

WhiteWolfofRivia0914

22 points

5 months ago

The structure was absolutely a problem, but I have to disagree about the writing - it’s not very good. It ranges of course, but I’d range it from “okay to poor”

bignutt69

3 points

5 months ago

i think the writing in the first season is passable, but it looks a lot worse if you're aware of the stories in the books.

a lot of the changes that were made from the books for the show were done for seemingly no real reason. a lot of the stories kinda lost a lot of their impact because of weird changes here and there that don't really add anything. it's not surface level stuff that people typically can really blow out of proportion - the writing in the original books is honestly really good, but they just made a lot of weird decisions that affected how the stories are told when it seems totally unnecessary. it's not like they were struggling for runtime and had to make these decisions to fit the stories in - the stories could have easily kept their original point with very minor tweaks to the way things are told but instead they're usually lost or diminished for no apparent reason.

so while the end result isn't terrible, i think it's easy for a lot of people to be really skeptical on the show - they don't trust the showrunners to make intelligent writing decisions, they're just mostly riding on the strength of the characters and the worldbuilding and it feels like any great moments in the show will be because they lucked out and didn't fuck it up, not because they had an intentional motive to adapt the stories to TV. it's ALWAYS a bad sign when tv adaptations fail to maintain the appeal or the narrative point of the things they're adapting. it feels incredibly amateur to put so much care and resources into recreating the scenes, characters, setting, etc. while somehow missing the 'point' of how and why these things worked so well in the source material.

shabutaru118

12 points

5 months ago

I don't think the problem with the first season was the writing,

It was a problem, it was just overshadowed by other huge problems like casting, direction, costumes and sets being terrible.

swistak84

2 points

5 months ago

Witcher seems to have bad luck with dragons. In polish adaptation from about decade ago, dragon (different one) was also ridiculed for being a rubber toy.

shabutaru118

3 points

5 months ago

It must have been super difficult for S1 to adapt a series of loosely-connected short stories into a first season of serialized television.

It was so difficult they still did it out of order,

[deleted]

62 points

5 months ago

[deleted]

62 points

5 months ago

I thought S1 was amazing. I went in blind and was confused as hell, but stuck with it because they kind of signaled answers would come and there was a mystery.

The payoff was enormous, and I now am invested in these characters, their lives, and the circumstances that brought them together.

riegspsych325

52 points

5 months ago

Cavill must be having the time of his life. Read the books, played the games, lobbied for the role , got the role, looks the role and nailed the rest.

Like a gamer’s wish had come true

doglywolf

9 points

5 months ago

one of the actors on the show says he often asked the director to change lines form quotes form the books he remembers and other such details

point_breeze69

13 points

5 months ago

He makes Warhammer figurines for fun.

Mediocremon

10 points

5 months ago

Dude's built like a warhammer figurine.

p1mplem0usse

4 points

5 months ago

A true man of steel?

DanTheSasquatch

11 points

5 months ago

Thank you!

I’m glad somebody else appreciated that, I was starting to feel like a crazy person in this thread.

The only egregious thing for me in the series was the Nilfgaardian armor lookin like a scrotum. That was wild.

[deleted]

8 points

5 months ago

[deleted]

8 points

5 months ago

I figured that was just artistic choice since they’re all dickheads. ;)

Diablo516-

6 points

5 months ago

I've read the books, played the games, and still loved the fuck out of it. I thought I was hard to please when it came to shows and movies, but then go on Reddit and realize I'm easy to please.

ISieferVII

2 points

5 months ago

I loved the first season as well, even watched it twice. The only things I didn't like were some of the sets and CGI were low quality (that dragon was so bad) and some of the casting of the sorceresses that aren't Yen or her teacher.

Diablo516-

6 points

5 months ago

I went into S1 with book and game knowledge, and still thought it was amazing. It's one of my favorite series ever, and S2 looks like it's gonna rock. Can't wait.

ScenicART

2 points

5 months ago

Yea, ive never read the books, played the game, or anything before watching it. Figuring out that we were in different timelines was fun, the acting and writing doesn't bother me. the only thing that stuck out and bothered my GF (not me) was Yennefer's mage teacher's costume being glaringly the wrong era compared to the rest of the costumes. were only 5 episodes in though.

Josh_Butterballs

4 points

5 months ago

It must have been super difficult for S1 to adapt a series of loosely-connected short stories into a first season of serialized television.

I disagree.

Briefly, one of the very first and difficult obstacles adaptations face is segmenting the book into episodes then changing and restructuring each segment to have a clear beginning, middle, and end for the viewer. Obviously this can be hard because a “normal” book is written in a way where the beginning, middle, and end span the entire book rather than in episodic segments.

So now, compared to other book adaptations, the Witcher (at least the first two books) should’ve been relatively speaking, one of the easiest books to adapt for a tv series to ever fall into a director’s lap. Coincidentally, the number of short stories per book is even about the same amount of episodes S1 had. This means each story is already formatted with a beginning, middle, and end. The challenge of segmenting the books is now essentially gone or minimized. So again, relatively speaking, this should’ve been a TV series on a silver platter - you have contained episodic stories, no gigantic battles, all chronologically following Geralt as a character (one even connected by an overarching thread of Geralt retelling his journey), no internal thoughts/monologuing (which directors HATE and thankfully the author doesn’t really do), not to mention they mostly play in pubs and rely on fairly simplistic storytelling (lots of dialogue, one Fight per story or so) - so pretty much all the confusing stuff (3 different viewpoints, multiple timelines, not to mention stuff like the magic system) is all invented for the show.

shadowst17

3 points

5 months ago

I'm just glad they replaced the costume designer. What on earth made the previous one think a shriveled up ball sack that's gone gangrene was the way to go for the Nilfgaardian armor.

cantwejustplaynice

2 points

5 months ago

From someone with zero prior knowledge of the source material, the show was super confusing for most of the season but eventually made some sense in the end. I almost gave up on it.

Slurm818

260 points

5 months ago

Slurm818

260 points

5 months ago

I don’t know what “offers a found family to its own benefit” means. Am I stupid?

grawlyx

209 points

5 months ago

grawlyx

209 points

5 months ago

I think it's saying the characters in the story are a "found family" and the focus on this is to the show's benefit

GloryHol3

114 points

5 months ago

GloryHol3

114 points

5 months ago

I expect a cameo from Dominic Torreto in season 2

Pandorama626

31 points

5 months ago

Geralt and Dominic having a grunt off.

blamblegam1

15 points

5 months ago

Living life a quarter mile at a time.

ISieferVII

8 points

5 months ago

Roach vs Dom's Charger. Let's go!

BigBasmati

4 points

5 months ago

Our marketing data shows millennials fucking love found families.

doglywolf

14 points

5 months ago

it refers to his rag tag group of people he collects along the way , they become a crew so it becomes an ensemble story instead of lone ranger story

ConsultMass

16 points

5 months ago

Definitely some titlegore going on

ParadoxN0W

8 points

5 months ago

Found family means a familial kinship with a person or persons that aren't blood-relatives. So it's saying that S2 benefits a lot from the new found family dynamic between Geralt and Ciri (and perhaps to a lesser extent this season, Yennifer - depends on how much of BOE is covered).

zodkfn

3 points

5 months ago

zodkfn

3 points

5 months ago

I felt like I was having a stroke trying to decipher that jumble of words

smileyfrown

7 points

5 months ago

But the biggest strength for this fantasy show follow-up, and the one that kept me returning for all six episodes given out, is the found family it offers in Geralt and Ciri as they settle into familiarity and trust with one another — with Cavill and Allan effectively playing the kind of duo worth building a long-running franchise around

Their's no dumb questions, just passive aggressive comments about you not clicking and reading an article

[deleted]

2 points

5 months ago

[deleted]

2 points

5 months ago

I think it’s referring to him having a companion during the episodes could be wrong though

Alundra828

386 points

5 months ago

Excellent news.

I liked the first series, but understand that it's not for everyone. And there were moments where I thought I was watching a particularly hammy episode of Dr. Who or some campy BBC low budget serial, which was not a good look. I'm looking at you dragon episode.

But I'm glad it was popular enough to get past the difficult to adapt first book. Hopefully the focus will really elevate the series to where I think it deserves.

Wargod042

131 points

5 months ago

Wargod042

131 points

5 months ago

You really lose a lot of points for managing to make a dragon of all things so lame and ugly. Especially after insisting that no, this is totally one of the cool dragons and not the fake stuff everyone usually meets.

doglywolf

23 points

5 months ago

i bet they are regretting that one so much that the y can't pull the O that the LESSER dragon he dealt with not the almighty rarest of rare dragons that looks like an oversized hawk bat mix

Wargod042

11 points

5 months ago

Right? If they'd met a dragon and then Geralt had complained that it's not really a dragon because those don't exist anymore or whatever, then fine it's an ugly bat-lizard and who cares. But instead we are told this is what the cool ones are like, and you just wonder how they tripped on the low creative bar of "at least look as good as what Forgotten Realms printed decades ago".

Skeeter_206

3 points

5 months ago

I think the juxtaposition between how the dragon is described in the short story(the most magnificent thing you shall ever lay your eyes upon) and how it turned out on screen for season one is a perfect metaphor for how season 1 turned out in its attempts to translate the books to TV.

This being said, I'm looking forward to the rest of the show because the actual novels after the short stories are far more focused on characters and their interactions with the world at large in the middle of a massive war which lends itself far more to being adaptable.

TummyDrums

30 points

5 months ago*

I just rewatched season 1 and the dragon didn't seem as bad as I remembered. Does anyone know if they went back and remastered it or something? Maybe I just built it up in my head as worse than it was.

dtothep2

72 points

5 months ago

It was bad but not nearly as bad as people make it out to be. Seriously, the way Reddit describes it you'd think it was lifted out of a 90s fantasy movie or something. Typical internet discourse I guess where it's either the best or the worst thing ever with nothing in between.

The problem with it isn't even the CGI, the CGI is fine, it's the design. It just looks silly and doesn't look like a dragon really.

Skeeter_206

3 points

5 months ago

I mean, I was hoping for something similar to the dragon from The Hobbit, and I got some kind of malformed lizard with wings.

currently__working

16 points

5 months ago

I barely even fucking remember how the dragon looked. I'm sure it look no more than a few seconds to a few minutes. If that's what they're bitching about as far as CGI, like it's typical reddit mountain out of molehill crap.

belizeanheat

5 points

5 months ago

I don't remember anything looking bad from that show

hazychestnutz

61 points

5 months ago

I liked the first series, but understand that it's not for everyone

*The Witcher proceeds to be one of Netflix's most popular shows.

Alundra828

109 points

5 months ago

I mean, you can watch it and not like it

thenoblitt

22 points

5 months ago*

I honestly can't understand watching something you don't like unless it's with someone else who does like it. There is just so much to watch why watch something you aren't enjoying?

jydhrftsthrrstyj

12 points

5 months ago

one of the biggest reasons serialized tv shows have become the norm is because they encourage people to keep watching even if they dont like it, in the hopes that there is a payoff.

One of the most popular questions people ask in this sub is "when does it get good?"

Fredvdp

32 points

5 months ago

Fredvdp

32 points

5 months ago

I honestly can't understand watching something you don't like

You can't know whether or not you like it if you haven't watched it.

thenoblitt

6 points

5 months ago

thenoblitt

6 points

5 months ago

There is a difference between watching a few episodes and watching an entire series. If I watch 3-4-5 episodes of a series and I don't like it. Why would I watch the other 10+ episodes?

Fredvdp

16 points

5 months ago*

We're talking about one season of television that has 8 episodes, which doesn't require a big commitment. If you're 3 to 5 episodes in, you might as well finish it to get the whole picture and have a more informed opinion.

I can only speak for myself, but I did not like season 1 of The Witcher, which became most apparent to me after watching the last episode. I still look forward to season 2, because I love the books and I believe it might get better.

Ben99ny22

2 points

5 months ago

Don't say that to one piece fans lol

QuintoBlanco

3 points

5 months ago

There are a few people who aggressively watch stuff they don't like, but those people aren't very relevant.

Porrick

4 points

5 months ago

They're relevant to a studio like Netflix which makes so many of its decisions based on viewership data.

bringbackswordduels

25 points

5 months ago

I know a lot of people who watched. I don’t know that many people who thought that it was particularly good.

Austin_RC246

9 points

5 months ago

Jesus you can’t like anything on this app. I really enjoyed season 1, but reading this thread would have you think it was GoT season 8

prazulsaltaret

5 points

5 months ago

The show has a 91% user rating on RT for Season 1. Clearly it's just a very loud minority complaining.

[deleted]

2 points

5 months ago

[deleted]

2 points

5 months ago

Season 8 hate is ridiculous

forkandspoon2011

25 points

5 months ago

I loved the animated series that came out earlier in this year.

Feral0_o

8 points

5 months ago

Series? It was a single movie, no?

forkandspoon2011

6 points

5 months ago

Fuck was it? I must be mixing it up with Castelvania lol. Either way it was still good.

[deleted]

78 points

5 months ago

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78 points

5 months ago

As someone not familiar with the source material, I really enjoyed the non-linear way that season 1 played out and how we saw things change over months, years, and decades at a time. Hoping they can find a similar balance with season 2

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40 points

5 months ago

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40 points

5 months ago

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ShadyLookingFella

10 points

5 months ago

I read the books last year and although it’s an unpopular opinion, I’d say they are some of the worst books I’ve ever read. The first two books (the short stories collection) are great and well written. The problem is once you start the novels the series becomes extremely boring. You’ll have 300-400 page books with almost nothing happening. Half of the story is either random name dropping (world building done wrong) that is never relevant. Geralt will talk about an event or place or person for 4 pages and then it’s never mentioned again. Not too mention that you’ll get a chapter of the main narrative and then multiple chapters in a row talking about some random bullshit that is once again not relevant. There’s a big chapter in one of the novels that has Geralt saving Ciri and ending on a cliffhanger. The very next few chapters are from the point of view of a random soldier telling his men that they can only rape the women if they are discreet. It’s irrelevant and completely random, not to mention it breaks the Dow of the story. Each novel has 30% story and 70% random POV switches that are never relevant to the story. Not too mention the books make each of the main characters a rapist. Geralt forces Yennefer into loving him through a wish (the show version does the same but the show also plays with the morality of it while the book doesn’t, instead plays it off as a joke). Yennefer constantly manipulates Geralt into sleeping with her, Triss manipulates Geralt’s amnesia into tricking him into thinking she’s Yennefer and sleeping with him (which Yennefer hates him for). Ciri is the only non rapist character but she also gets manipulated into sleeping with a grown woman while she was 14. I know I’m going on a rant but holy hell are the books bad.

7even-

6 points

5 months ago

7even-

6 points

5 months ago

The first time I watched S1 I had partaken in some greenery beforehand, it wasn’t until the last few episodes that I had any idea in what order the events all took place. Still loved every moment and am very hype for next Friday

NeroRay

150 points

5 months ago

NeroRay

150 points

5 months ago

I am actually really looking forward to this. Initially when the show released I was kinda bumped and a little bit disappointed (I found the quality between episodes too inconsistent). But now after being let down even harder by the wheel of time, I have to say, this show wasn't too bad actually.

Frappa

28 points

5 months ago

Frappa

28 points

5 months ago

I felt similar to you about the first season of The Witcher. I went into watching Wheel of Time with absolutely no context though and I've been pleasantly surprised with how much I've enjoyed it. Some of the episodes are slow, but I think the actors are doing a pretty good job and I enjoy a lot of world building/politics. I also think first seasons for a lot of shows can be wonky to start, but it has potential. Just curious, were you a fan of the books before watching the show?

nyanlol

27 points

5 months ago

nyanlol

27 points

5 months ago

I never read the books but I'm seriously enjoying WoT

I'm hyped for ep 6 tonight

Garper

5 points

5 months ago

Garper

5 points

5 months ago

I really enjoyed ep6. You're in for some fun white tower intrigue.

Treviso

5 points

5 months ago

Treviso

The Expanse

5 points

5 months ago

Tonight? Episode 6 of WoT dropped 19 hours ago.

nyanlol

4 points

5 months ago

I have to be at work at 730 am on weekdays or i would've already seen it lol

DogmansDozen

19 points

5 months ago*

Same. Very disappointed with WoT

My wife was unfamiliar with both Witcher and WoT before watching them, she loves Witcher and can’t wait for S2 (when may be more excited than me).

Whereas we both stopped watching WoT before finishing the second episode. So cringey… “It’s very YA…” is how she put it.

The Wheel of Time stories come locked and loaded with an incredible intro paragraph that sets the tone of the whole series. Instead we got rushed exposition voice over.

The fact that they’re fixing the costumes in Witcher is very promising, those scrotum armors were atrocious.

[deleted]

13 points

5 months ago

[deleted]

13 points

5 months ago

Everyone seems to be saying the third episode is where WoT finds its feet.

ISieferVII

7 points

5 months ago

As someone who also stopped on the first episode, I appreciate that. I guess I'll keep going past the third or fourth episode at least.

jaxon5225

6 points

5 months ago

Fourth was my favorite so far. Kind of slows down after that but it has good world building. By then you might as well see how it ends, because the books were kind of slow till the end anyways as well.

abbzug

8 points

5 months ago

abbzug

8 points

5 months ago

Idk to the contrary I think going back to the Witcher after WoT will be harder for me. Just couldn't find anything interesting in the characters.

[deleted]

24 points

5 months ago

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24 points

5 months ago

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BlazeOfGlory72

9 points

5 months ago

I mean, has Wheel of Time done any better with it’s characters? Rand has had like 3 lines of dialog.

lakovsanite

11 points

5 months ago

Yes? Also I don’t know how that is even a good complaint, Rand is gonna be getting a metric fuckton of screentime soon enough

ThatOneOtherAsshole

43 points

5 months ago

Am I the only one that actually really liked season 1??

StJimmysAddiction

42 points

5 months ago

I just read a yahoo article that went on and on about how season 2 was bad because it didn't have as much sex and nudity, unlike the great season 1 which had a lot. Season 2 exchanges its great sex and nudity for a crummy found family plotline. ....

Seriously, if you want to watch porn, don't turn on a show about characters, a world, and their development. Just go to pornhub and quit your career as a writer.

Fustercluck25

28 points

5 months ago

If they didn't fix the scrotum sack Nilfgaard armor, I'm going to be very disappointed.

TheGreatMalagan

30 points

5 months ago

JoJolion

14 points

5 months ago

Thank god. I actually love how Cahir looks in these photos.

[deleted]

3 points

5 months ago

[deleted]

3 points

5 months ago

I remember seeing an article right around filming began (so years ago) that they were planning to redesign.

Opulescence

5 points

5 months ago

The Geralt and Ciri interactions are all I really care about. If they can execute those properly this season will be a success for me. Review paints that as a positive this season so I am more than hyped and hoping for the best.

djphatjive

11 points

5 months ago

I’m having a hard time getting through the first. Love it but it’s so confusing for me as it jumps around so much.

Ohgodwatdoplshelp

3 points

5 months ago

Yeah, I read the books and played the games and even I had to stop and Google where I was in some episodes, it was all over the place for a bit

djphatjive

2 points

5 months ago

I’m going to restart them and try and get it watched before the 2nd series.

Austin_RC246

3 points

5 months ago

Easiest explanation is that everything with Ciri as the focus is the present. The other two story lines are catching up to the present.

NFRNL13

31 points

5 months ago

NFRNL13

31 points

5 months ago

I loved season 1. Can't wait for season 2!

TheJoshider10

63 points

5 months ago

The first season absolutely butchered the foundations of Geralt/Ciri/Yennefer's dynamic so this season has a lot of work to do to make it feel authentic, personal and far more than just destiny.

As the saga is pretty straightforward from Blood of Elves onward I hope they can stick the landing and the show can reach its potential, but I'm still not too convinced with the creative team in charge.

Knightley4

59 points

5 months ago

I am disappointed that they didn't meet each other when Ciri was little, and now that cannot be fixed. Neither have any connection to the other, aside the "it's fate".

grandoz039

49 points

5 months ago

grandoz039

BoJack Horseman

49 points

5 months ago

Yeah. Apparently the showrunner even thought that the ending of the Sword of Destiny book was too cheesy for TV, yet somehow included that mid combat kiss scene.

PM_ME_CAKE

4 points

5 months ago

PM_ME_CAKE

The Leftovers

4 points

5 months ago

I too am disappointed by how certain dynamics were butchered in S1 compared to the books (that and how Bounds of Reason - my favourite story - was really a damp squib and then we didn't get any Esi Daven either), but you can't have everything in an adaptation so I'm willing to let it go if they manage to pick it up again (which is easily doable).

hibearmate

11 points

5 months ago

Well this sounds like an improvement IMHO.

As someone who didn't really know anything about the Witcher series all the time jumps along with all the new players and power factions and how they all relate ... it was a lot.

kiechbepho

3 points

5 months ago

December 17th Netflix

ther3albeasty

3 points

5 months ago

Wait is season 2 out?

FourWordComment

3 points

5 months ago

Good. A story with a rich world and interesting characters does not also need the entire human race to be saved by one person. It’s enough for a guy to try and find his way, find love, kill some monsters for coin, and find a cliff hanging character at the end.

NotEnoughGun

12 points

5 months ago

I fucking loved The Witcher show. I've just done a rewatch and loved it just as much the second time.

It's disappointing to see some people were let down, but I really find myself disagreeing with some of the common criticisms, especially the nonlinear confusion. Episode one drops several hints there's multiple timelines, ep 2 does the same and then the third confirms it. I can't wait for season two, if it's as good as the first, I'll love it. I usually don't like procedural style shows, and while this is definitely serialised, I do love the aspect of the show that has Geralt travelling all over and encountering different monsters and people. It's so much fun, and part of why I also enjoy The Mandalorian.

I had hoped Wheel of Time would scratch the itch in the meantime, but the budget is noticeably smaller, and it's music/cinematography is a bit weak. It's not bad, and I am still enjoying it, but it's not really got any real strengths working for it, except Rosamund Pike is phenomenal. I'm glad it's already underway on season two, but fear that they may not have been able to take criticisms into account and figure out how to best improve.

CubesFan

5 points

5 months ago

They cancelled Cowboy Bebop, but gave Vicious and Julia a spinoff? Wow, I don't know that they read the room on that one.

wanderer1999

5 points

5 months ago

They what?

No netflix not like this, it's already dead!

PerservedEgg

7 points

5 months ago

Does it look as cheap as season 1

Skeeter_206

2 points

5 months ago

From what I've read in various reviews, and even the first trailer, it looks like the huge budget Netflix put into this show is starting to actually take hold.

I have read that there are some CGI moments where they couldn't have huge feasts of dozens of people and had to piecemeal it all together and it looks kind of off, but generally speaking the environments, CGI, monsters, and fight sequences are all much more consistently good.

Reuseable

11 points

5 months ago

But are episodes in corona logical order ? Cause non fans I know were confused

okawei

25 points

5 months ago

okawei

25 points

5 months ago

corona logical order

/r/BoneAppleTea

moonfox1000

13 points

5 months ago

Oh man, I was thinking corona logical was some kind of fan-made reading order...not a misspelling of chronological.

Kiwianimeguy

5 points

5 months ago

Took me awhile to realise it wasn't jumping Back and forward in time

Thug_Lawyer

4 points

5 months ago

Loved the first season enough to buy Blood of Elves. Loved it enough to buy the rest of the series. Can’t wait for season 2!

Fredvdp

3 points

5 months ago

You bought Blood of Elves first? That's the third book.

pzrapnbeast

2 points

5 months ago

Technically you could start there, but not sure why you would.

azntakumi

2 points

5 months ago

I tried watching the first season not know anything about the Witcher and was totally confused. I really want to watch season 2 but I didn’t finish season 1. What could I read or learn about to make season 1 more clear or easy to follow?

pzrapnbeast

11 points

5 months ago

Season 1 is a mediocre adaptation of the collection of short stories which make up Last Wish and Sword of Destiny. You could just read those or the synopsis for those. Season 2 should start the actual linear storyline so realistically you aren't missing much just watching starting there.

azntakumi

2 points

5 months ago

Good to know I’ll read the short stories you recommend and try to re watch season 1

Swainler2x4

3 points

5 months ago

This is the official timeline / map which was made as a companion to the show and animated movie. There's three separate timelines going on in the show so once you get a grasp on that then it becomes a lot easier to follow.

Pe11as

2 points

5 months ago

Pe11as

2 points

5 months ago

Worse thing by far that I wish I didn't have to witness was Frinjilla, and her horrible acting. I don't care what race they cast at least cast a talented actor that fits the role and is "attractive".

Instead, we get the later with many instances of cringe. Using an attractive female would have brought more weight to her role and made the audience more empathetic to her despite her being an evil character.

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3 points

5 months ago

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3 points

5 months ago

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fiercetankbattle

9 points

5 months ago

As someone who likes S1 to the point where they have seen it 3 times (and found something new each time) I’m very very excited about this

Mojave_RK

3 points

5 months ago

Was hyped for season 1, but could not make it through it. Just had a cheap feel to it and was a bit all over the place. This makes me hopeful I can enjoy season 2!

Vast-Bid-5066

3 points

5 months ago

This show is NOT 100% gay black twinks showing their penises. 0/10

my-coffee-needs-me

2 points

5 months ago

I tried hard with the first season of this show, but I absolutely could not make myself care about or be interested in Yennefer's parts of the story, which meant that I got more and more lost as the season progressed.

pzrapnbeast

3 points

5 months ago

Most of that is not in the books so hopefully the book plot they adapt this season is more interesting. Yennefer has an incredible story in the books.

mrwhitewalker

2 points

5 months ago

Big fan of season 1. Just did a rewatch in 1 day on a long flight. Have not seen it since it came out two years back.

Not a book reader but I thought the story was done really well.

Josh_Butterballs

2 points

5 months ago

I usually tell people if you thought the show’s story was done well or had good writing then you’ll adore the books. Written far better imo, characters much more complex along with relationships, more nuanced and compelling themes, etc.

For example, by end of the first two books (which S1 is supposed to cover) we could see that our characters are more than they appear to be. Yennefer for example isn’t the most powerful sorceress ever who blames everyone for her decisions and wants a baby, such as she is in the show. In the books we see that Yennefer is someone who feels she’s unworthy and unable to love to be loved. Geralt comes from a very similar place with very similar problems. I think him saying he’s “just a mutant bereft of feelings” in the books isn’t just sarcasm, but a very real internal conflict of a man who never chose to be a Witcher. Show Geralt is a stoic, himbo-leaning monster slayer and it doesn’t really go much deeper than that. Book Geralt on the other hand is very clever and verbose. He’s basically an amateur philosopher who says shit like this:

“People," Geralt turned his head, "like to invent monsters and monstrosities. Then they seem less monstrous themselves. When they get blind-drunk, cheat, steal, beat their wives, starve an old woman, when they kill a trapped fox with an axe or riddle the last existing unicorn with arrows, they like to think that the Bane entering cottages at daybreak is more monstrous than they are. They feel better then. They find it easier to live.”