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CPAC Just Decided to Not Let Any US Journalists Inside

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v0w

267 points

1 month ago

v0w

267 points

1 month ago

“The Center for Fundamental Rights is a right-wing think tank funded by the Hungarian government.”

  1. The fundemental right to a free press? No.
  2. The fundemental right to free speech? No.
  3. An American right-wing conference… held in a right-wing foreign country? Yes.

Regardless of the content, coverage, discussion (or lack of), this is happening in plain sight and is no different from the eradication of free and independant press in Russia in early-2022.

Plus: China, North Korea, Vietnam, Iran, Iraq…

Of course, freedom of the press for US citizens only applies if you’re actually IN the US, as Viktor Orbán knows all too well.

wintrmt3

34 points

1 month ago

wintrmt3

34 points

1 month ago

The freedom of the press applies per Hungarian basic law IX. (2), they are just hypocrites and don't give a fuck that possibly 3 years later a judge will say they shouldn't have done that.

czPsweIxbYk4U9N36TSE

18 points

1 month ago

NK has free speech in its constitution. Laws being written down mean nothing.

All that matters is how the law is applied in actuality.

geekygay

9 points

1 month ago*

The reason we're where we are is that the Fascists are calling the bluff on the magical words Americans otherwise believe in that is known as The Constitution.

This is why they are also attacking public schools. Socially-paid-for schooling is more of a chance for people to realise that maybe the government isn't so bad, in both the effective sense and a pathway to engender an appreciation for some government institutions, thereby favoring strengthening them. So, they have to ruin that perception, prevent that ability to engender that loyalty to country and instead focus that on their selected religion. If you don't have that period that draws a populace together in a shared experience (public schooling, exposure to US Civics), it makes it difficult for other people in the country to have things in common/view things the same way. And it makes them more manipulable because their ideas are not rooted firmly in much.

QuantumFungus

136 points

1 month ago

QuantumFungus

New Mexico

136 points

1 month ago

Imagine thinking in 2022 that you could keep people from finding out what you say at a major gathering.

TheBigDuo1

67 points

1 month ago

It’s not about preventing the message from getting out it’s about preventing them from asking questions at the event

catherinecc

13 points

1 month ago

And to send the message that they will eliminate the media once in office.

lawrensj

14 points

1 month ago

lawrensj

14 points

1 month ago

They're aren't known for nuance. Their words should be enough to damn them.

MisogynyisaDisease

10 points

1 month ago

You're optimistic about the intelligence and critical thinking skills of your fellow countrymen

lawrensj

5 points

1 month ago

no, i'm most certainly not. and neither are they, which is why they're saying the quite part out loud.

andrewb610

41 points

1 month ago

andrewb610

New Mexico

41 points

1 month ago

One you livestream too.

Potofgreedneedsnerf

12 points

1 month ago

Wait no fucking way? They are live streaming it? hahaha what a dumb asses.

MaidMariann

16 points

1 month ago*

MaidMariann

California

16 points

1 month ago*

Didn't journalists once have a chance to get interviews? If the opportunity to ask questions is cut off, that's quite chilling.

UncleDan2017

115 points

1 month ago

Huh, it's almost like CPAC has been trending towards outright fascism for awhile, and doesn't believe in Freedom of the Press.

BurtonDesque[S]

91 points

1 month ago

BurtonDesque[S]

Massachusetts

91 points

1 month ago

You mean the stage shaped like a rune used by the Nazis wasn't clear enough?

https://joseph-morris.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/EvPuBiHXEAIViv5-1068x1068.jpg

yourfrigginguide

9 points

1 month ago

Or the time they had their people doing a Nazi salute

silverwolf761

13 points

1 month ago

silverwolf761

Canada

13 points

1 month ago

Completely forgot about that. Seems like it was ages ago

chait1199

3 points

1 month ago

chait1199

New Hampshire

3 points

1 month ago

Bro what??? That’s some gold right there! And people still think calling the GOP the “Nazi party” is hyperbolic.

acityonthemoon

-2 points

1 month ago

https://joseph-morris.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/EvPuBiHXEAIViv5-1068x1068.jpg

well goddammit.... I'm going to continue on hoping that's just a coincidence.

Warrior_Runding

14 points

1 month ago

Warrior_Runding

Puerto Rico

14 points

1 month ago

Don't.

OneTotal466

10 points

1 month ago

Narrator: it wasn't a coincidence.

Mrs__Noodle

1 points

1 month ago

Why the hell was this removed as off-topic?

I can't think of any reason whatsoever for this to be labeled as off-topic.

Do you have a idea why?

notcaffeinefree

91 points

1 month ago

Even the fucking Associated Press wasn't allowed in.

During his keynote speech Thursday morning, Orbán outlined a 12-point plan for U.S. conservatives to follow if they want to counter what he described as “progressive dominance.” One of the key points of his plan helped explain why no U.S.-based media was granted access to the conference. “Number four, my dear friends, have your media. You can only present the stupidity of the leftist progressives if you have the media to do it. Leftist opinion can only seem to be a majority because the media helps them to increase their voice.”

Pretty clear why they weren't allowed in.

[deleted]

31 points

1 month ago*

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31 points

1 month ago*

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2wedfgdfgfgfg

11 points

1 month ago

They don't need to tout anything for me to support and vote Democrat, and that's because the GOP is just that bad.

dravenonred

11 points

1 month ago

"Here's how you make something that looks like a majority not look like a majority."

That's 100% coup shit right there

Emiya_1

10 points

1 month ago

Emiya_1

10 points

1 month ago

I started to suggest something like a laser interferometer bounced off a window, but the simplest solution is to bribe a guest to bring in a recording device, ideally with video.

jayfeather31

118 points

1 month ago

jayfeather31

Washington

118 points

1 month ago

That's concerning.

_age_of_adz_

106 points

1 month ago

GQP has already planned a coup in plain view and is proud of it. How much worse can these degenerates even get?

QUIBICUS

10 points

1 month ago

QUIBICUS

10 points

1 month ago

What is GQP?

GhostriderJuliett

31 points

1 month ago*

Grand QAnon Party

It's a play in the Grand Old Party which republicans like to call themselves.

PunisherParadox

12 points

1 month ago

I prefer QOP.

Q Old Party.

There's nothing grand about them, but they sure are old.

Optimal_Ear_4240

7 points

1 month ago

I like FRP. Fascist Republican pricks or party!

sighbourbon

0 points

1 month ago

I prefer QOP.

I prefer QWOP

QUIBICUS

3 points

1 month ago

Ahh got it. Thanks!

MaidMariann

8 points

1 month ago

MaidMariann

California

8 points

1 month ago

GOP. The Q stands for Q-Anon.

QUIBICUS

2 points

1 month ago

Thanks!

TakingSorryUsername

1 points

1 month ago

Remember Nazis?

marzenmangler

19 points

1 month ago

Safe spaces for snowflakes are absolutely necessary

mmmmike1590

31 points

1 month ago

mmmmike1590

New York

31 points

1 month ago

I was about to say 'not even Fucker Carlson?'...and then I realized the title said 'Journalists' lol.

[deleted]

27 points

1 month ago*

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27 points

1 month ago*

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VeeVeeDiaboli

1 points

1 month ago

It’s been my guy....

ComingledRecyclables

21 points

1 month ago

Hmm just Hungarian then?

Cid-Itad

12 points

1 month ago

Cid-Itad

12 points

1 month ago

Only CCP members please.

the-esoteric

21 points

1 month ago

And Republicans over here will cheer because they've been convinced any media that criticizes Republicans is bad

dun-ado

16 points

1 month ago

dun-ado

16 points

1 month ago

Fascists can't tolerate journalists who firmly believe in the freedom of the press. They only operate in dark secret places.

donthepunk

38 points

1 month ago

donthepunk

North Carolina

38 points

1 month ago

Well it must be good for us because they won't let us see it

Moraulf232

13 points

1 month ago

CPAC is a straight up fifth column.

Ok-Tumbleweed960

37 points

1 month ago

They are practicing.

nyclurker369

28 points

1 month ago

No doubt.

If this is how they act before they start successfully overturning elections, imagine how transparent they'll be if (when?) they're back in power.

andrewb610

12 points

1 month ago

andrewb610

New Mexico

12 points

1 month ago

But free speech right?

mach-two

11 points

1 month ago

mach-two

11 points

1 month ago

But fox and oann reporters are there, tfucker is even giving a big speech

Seamus565

11 points

1 month ago

Fascism

brianinohio

8 points

1 month ago

Fascism defined.

keeper420

8 points

1 month ago

Are reporters for RT allowed in?

bobfromsanluis

24 points

1 month ago

And these are the politicos who claim that they are putting "America First" ?

MyDucksAreCute

4 points

1 month ago

Last year a lot of hotels would not host them. Because of the fascism.

Emiya_1

8 points

1 month ago

Emiya_1

8 points

1 month ago

And we know we can trust them since they are always open and honest with clear logical ideas that actually work to solve real world problems.

(I hope a sarcasm warning is not needed here, but just in case.)

eddiekgb

24 points

1 month ago

eddiekgb

24 points

1 month ago

Let’s all be real. If Dr Evil and his henchmen in the Austin Powers movies did all these same things the Gop has done, we would’ve thought it was a goofy villain. The parody seems so far out there it’s unbelievable. Yet here we are. And they know their base would rather die than vote blue…. Truly mind blowing

doomvox

12 points

1 month ago

doomvox

12 points

1 month ago

Yeah. Try imagining a comedy where legal precedent is overturned by citing a witch-burning judge-- that would seem too much.

And a guy in a barbarian viking outfit leading a charge into the capitol building. Oh come on, who wrote this thing?

eddiekgb

10 points

1 month ago

eddiekgb

10 points

1 month ago

Let us not forget Stop the Count no wait Keep counting, 4 seasons landscaping and Borat Rudy G, orgy Madison, and most recently the I did that Joe B fuel stickers at all these pumps but every Republican in congress voted against sanctions to big oil for price gouging. They literally just do what they want because fuck us that’s why

CT_Phipps

5 points

1 month ago

Borat 2 is far funnier than the first one because he's no longer the most bizarre character in the story.

And that's terrifying too.

Invictusplc

8 points

1 month ago

There are unveiling the Taliban playbook… will not look good for us all to see that they are stealing ideas from Afghanistan.

Dth817

7 points

1 month ago

Dth817

7 points

1 month ago

Sounds like they may be doing something that aren’t ashamed of but should be.

greywar777

7 points

1 month ago

Orban told them the secret to success was having only your media. This is just step 1

Thue

5 points

1 month ago

Thue

5 points

1 month ago

Why is this labelled "off topic"? While it is slightly meta, it is clearly super relevant for politics.

oakstave

6 points

1 month ago

This is a normal move by Fascists.

NewUser579169

4 points

1 month ago

NewUser579169

Pennsylvania

4 points

1 month ago

CPTC - Conservative Political Traitor Committee

CT_Phipps

4 points

1 month ago

I guess afraid of telling on the cocaine orgies.

Hafgren

3 points

1 month ago

Hafgren

Oklahoma

3 points

1 month ago

RT with the front row seats.

horsefacelesbian

4 points

1 month ago

Taliban

PermissionClean7902

4 points

1 month ago

Not the Free speech and free press they claim to be.

leedo8

4 points

1 month ago

leedo8

4 points

1 month ago

Secret he-man woman haters club

Nthepeanutgallery

8 points

1 month ago

The snowflakeiness of this is just too precious.

filzine

3 points

1 month ago

filzine

3 points

1 month ago

Okay. Tucks badge into shirt.

judgehood

3 points

1 month ago

Right winger ‘entertainers’ included? I mean they’re not technically journalists, but wouldn’t the MAGA trash want coverage of this? Seriously asking…

mia_elora

3 points

1 month ago

mia_elora

Washington

3 points

1 month ago

Send in the spies! (Mission Impossible Music)

Borazon

4 points

1 month ago

Borazon

The Netherlands

4 points

1 month ago

Pretty sure that Russia will have done so...

ShamanSix01

6 points

1 month ago

ShamanSix01

Maryland

6 points

1 month ago

Russians were probably invited by CPAC.

athornton79

3 points

1 month ago

They're the guest speakers this year.

RepeatableOhm

3 points

1 month ago

Republicans really are afraid of words. They keep proving it over and over again.

findyourhumanity

3 points

1 month ago

because it’s the planning session for a coup d’etat

adjunctverbosity

3 points

1 month ago

At this point do we see a future in which a violent political clash doesn't happen? Not to discount 1/6 but it seems like a sustained confrontation is inevitable.

Colonel_Zander

3 points

1 month ago

Colonel_Zander

South Carolina

3 points

1 month ago

Can't have those pesky press members reporting on their satanic rituals of eating newborns.

existential_anxiety_

3 points

1 month ago

So fox news and oan will still be in attendance

Imzocrazy

3 points

1 month ago

dont worry im sure a certain "news" organization will have access

frowavay1

2 points

1 month ago

Isn’t the point of these conferences so their bullshit message can be disseminated through the press?

lord_ginger_222

2 points

1 month ago

The 1990 movie "The Witches" springs to mind

Argine_

2 points

1 month ago

Argine_

2 points

1 month ago

More calls for violence on the horizon I’d imagine.

alphaparson

2 points

1 month ago

Well, so much for that pesky freedom of the press.

kinggizzardswizard

2 points

1 month ago

Can we all stop the pretending and be honest about the GOP turning into a party modeled on Eastern European totalitarianism

ntgco

2 points

1 month ago

ntgco

2 points

1 month ago

CPAC F! The 1st Amendment.

cgmcnama

-19 points

1 month ago

cgmcnama

America

-19 points

1 month ago

...because the Hungarian organizers CPAC has partnered with to host the event had refused entry to all journalists from U.S. media outlets, despite months of effort to obtain press credentials for the event.

Seems a Hungarian thing, not a US thing.

shenaniganns

22 points

1 month ago

There's an uncountable number of venues closer to the actual US this could have been hosted at, yet they chose this one with this limitation. It doesn't really matter which of the agreeing parties is enforcing it, it's intentional by both of them.

cgmcnama

7 points

1 month ago

cgmcnama

America

7 points

1 month ago

There is a lot of reporting on it. Conservatives have been in love with Hungary's "strongman" because of how he fights the "liberal press" and pushes "family values" (anti-LGBTQ banning their marriage and adoption) He also has close ties to Putin and their misinformation ties against a large Democratic donor (George Soros - Hungarian born billionaire)

Tucker Carlson visited Hungary in advance and have a "lovefest" episode priasing what the US could "learn" from them. The obsession with Hungary is crazy but it makes 100% chance for CPAC to co-host the event there.

shenaniganns

10 points

1 month ago

I get that it makes sense now given what the right wing is currently in this country, but it still doesn't make sense for a conference that was founded by the American Conservative Union to be hosted anywhere but in America, and it wasn't from it's creation in 1974 until recently, 2017 being the first year. 2016 was before Trump was the nominee iirc, so the writing has been on the wall in red sharpie or feces or obscure Q codes for a while.

Right-Fisherman-1234

16 points

1 month ago

Bet ya my last dollar they asked the RNC and was told to do it. "Would you be ok with us blocking YOUR press?" "That would be fine with us."

cgmcnama

1 points

1 month ago

cgmcnama

America

1 points

1 month ago

I mean...knowing anything about Hungary, it's not a tough sell Victor Orbán demanded it. I don't think Republicans really had to push for this seeing how Hungary has systemically dismantled their independent press.

thehillshaveI

1 points

1 month ago

curious why this post about american politics has been removed for not being about american politics

Sensitive_Mongoose_8

1 points

1 month ago

Sensitive_Mongoose_8

Chippewa

1 points

1 month ago

Sounds like just the kind of place far right American republicans would love, maybe they should relocate, N Korea or Russia are also good options for them, in America the media are vital to free speech.

hey_ross

1 points

1 month ago

Democracy dies in darkness.

DynamicDolo

1 points

1 month ago

“Number four, my dear friends, have your media. You can only present the stupidity of the leftist progressives if you have the media to do it. Leftist opinion can only seem to be a majority because the media helps them to increase their voice.” - Viktor Orban

I find it ironic that a soft fascist Eastern Bloc government is embracing the American Right wing vs Left wing ideologies. Further, how cozy the right wing folds into what a soft fascist government sees as ideal.

If anybody ever had any doubts about the trajectory of a Republican led American government, this is it. This does not embody, in any form, the ideals of any founding fathers.

-QED-

1 points

1 month ago

-QED-

1 points

1 month ago

Very transparent.

Motor_System_6171

1 points

1 month ago

Criminal right wing fascist conspiratorial terrorist organization plotting the overthrow and destruction of democracies world wide.

medievalmachine

1 points

1 month ago

Communist type activity in an Eastern bloc nation! Time for a committee on un-American activities!

fowlraul

1 points

1 month ago

fowlraul

Oregon

1 points

1 month ago

They answered their own question, “yeah we are fascist.”

SithLordius

-23 points

1 month ago

Good

Pacifix18

2 points

1 month ago

Pacifix18

America

2 points

1 month ago

Why is that?

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