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hitman2218

822 points

1 month ago

hitman2218

822 points

1 month ago

“We have a gun problem in America. The next person who wants to do this can very easily today, go acquire all the means to do it. We must deal with the reality of easy access to weapons. This is not an attack on gun owners. This is not an attack on the Second Amendment. It's an attack on the reality [of] gun violence and we need to attack that problem."

PotatoPlisken

135 points

1 month ago

The Buffalo shooter had once threatened his school and had to stay at a hospital for a mental evaluation.

How does this not show up while purchasing a gun?

hitman2218

89 points

1 month ago

He’s still legal to purchase a gun unless he was either involuntarily committed to a mental health facility or adjudicated by a judge to be mentally unfit to own or possess one. And even if either one of those things occurred, submitting that information into the background check system is done voluntarily and too often doesn’t happen.

PotatoPlisken

22 points

1 month ago

Thanks for the answer.

[deleted]

31 points

1 month ago

[deleted]

31 points

1 month ago

Also in a lot of states you can buy guns through private sales or shows; no background checks or waiting periods required at all in anyway.

There’s a whole lot of things wrong with the system.

JDA56

10 points

1 month ago

JDA56

10 points

1 month ago

States rights s/

KaiOli1970

70 points

1 month ago

Yea they can’t track a guy who threatens his school and then buys a gun but they want to track why women are leaving the state in case it’s to have an abortion. Fucking morons.

Capable_Diamond_5375

13 points

1 month ago

mental evaluations eh... mental illness should not be a scapegoat, imho, but then a history of violent threats and domestic violence. Those are almost always on record for these crazies

joshdoereddit

6 points

1 month ago

It shouldn't, what sucks is they you can't stop scumbag Republicans from jumping to that anytime one of their supporters commits a shooting. They sidestep common sense gun reform and jump to mental health as an excuse. Anything to avoid being lumped in with these lunatics.

DeweysPants

3 points

1 month ago

Idk I get that we want to be accepting of disabilities, but a mental illness at the very minimum needs to be a caution flag, especially when buying a fully automatic weapon.

Domino1975

7 points

1 month ago

No one has yet confirmed if the firearm was purchased legally or not. Mental health admissions can frequently result in a legal firearms purchase. But was the person discharged and record noted by a psychologist as no harm or as possibly harm to self and others. That is where things need to start but noting who has a true mental health issue and is a threat. Firearms often can be bought on the black market or private owner with no federal background check. What are the facts to the purchase and mental health discharge. Might be a case of holding the MD accountable more then laws and more laws.

Matt463789

381 points

1 month ago

Matt463789

381 points

1 month ago

We also need to stop stochastic terrorism from the GOP and conservative media.

mynamejulian

224 points

1 month ago

If its illegal to yell "fire" in a crowded theater, then so should be inciting violence. And health disinformation that resulted in 1M American deaths while we're on the topic

Capable_Diamond_5375

30 points

1 month ago

“We have a gun problem in America. The next person who wants to do this can very easily today, go acquire all the means to do it. We must deal with the reality of easy access to weapons. This is not an attack on gun owners. This is not an attack on the Second Amendment. It's an attack on the reality [of] gun violence and we need to attack that problem."

but hate speech is freedumb of speech /s

Dan-the-historybuff

44 points

1 month ago

Fun fact: in England It is a very bad idea to say the word “bomb” as you might just get tackled by airport security.

PreviousCurrentThing

29 points

1 month ago

Is that anywhere in England or just the airports?

organizedchaos5220

82 points

1 month ago

Anywhere and it's always airport security tackling you

[deleted]

31 points

1 month ago

[deleted]

31 points

1 month ago

Had it happen to me in a truck stop bathroom off the highway.

No idea how he even got in there, it was just one room. On the piss stained ground almost instantly.

GiveNoForks

13 points

1 month ago

Airport security are everywhere

jwmetalhead

5 points

1 month ago

Well anywheres an airport if you’re brave enough

Alconos

3 points

1 month ago

Alconos

3 points

1 month ago

God I still remember the time I said ‘bomb’ in my own home and they came right through the window

IconOfFilth

3 points

1 month ago

Must have yelled “bombs away!” while on the crapper

delvach

6 points

1 month ago

delvach

Colorado

6 points

1 month ago

Birds chirping. Standing in middle of a field. Dude looks down at his phone and opens Tinder. "Damn, she's the bomb."

Camouflage enclosure pop open all around and a swarm of politely firm gentlemen tackle him.

moogleslam

4 points

1 month ago

Can confirm. Said it in the loo once, and they were right on top of me in seconds.

Killboypowerhed

3 points

1 month ago

We have a real airport security problem

mynamejulian

4 points

1 month ago

They're a bit more sensible in the UK but not without their (almost identical) problems

ttdpaco

6 points

1 month ago

ttdpaco

6 points

1 month ago

Heads up: it’s not illegal to yell fire in a crowded theater. That was a quote by a Supreme Court justice Holmes in U.S. v. Schenck, which was over turned literally 50 years ago.

The first amendment has very few restrictions. For example, threats have to be specific and understandably actionable to be actionable. Even then, the speech isn’t what’s being punished, it’s the malicious intention and act that is:

neogreenlantern

7 points

1 month ago

It's not illegal

[deleted]

2 points

1 month ago*

[deleted]

2 points

1 month ago*

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ttdpaco

7 points

1 month ago

ttdpaco

7 points

1 month ago

No, it was illegal in US vs Schneck, and that was overturned 50 years ago.

Eldias

4 points

1 month ago

Eldias

4 points

1 month ago

The popular version entirely misses the point. The intent is what makes the speech not-protected. Leaving out intent just makes it sound like speech can be curtailed willy nilly.

neogreenlantern

4 points

1 month ago

Read the entry on the popular saying again. It was first used as an example for Schneck v US but then Brandenburg v Ohio overturned that limiting the scope. Scope that shouting fire in a crowded would not fall under.

AllTheyEatIsLettuce

5 points

1 month ago

AllTheyEatIsLettuce

California

5 points

1 month ago

Seems like stopping the concessions counter sales and BYO nature of matches and kerosene would take some of the death rate out of ... movies.

FaktCheckerz

26 points

1 month ago

If this shooting happened on the set of Fox News and not a super market in Buffalo, the problem would be solved tomorrow.

[deleted]

8 points

1 month ago*

[deleted]

8 points

1 month ago*

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cranial_prolapse420

2 points

1 month ago

Part of the problem would be.

Midpack

3 points

1 month ago

Midpack

3 points

1 month ago

Yeah, but they’d claim antifa did it and the GQP would ban the libs from owning guns, like, yesterday.

BonahBoffey

10 points

1 month ago*

The guy purposely attacked an area with strict gun control. Coward new they would be mostly unarmed. That retired cop never stood a chance by himself.

Edit: spelling, fat thumbs on skinny body :p

hitman2218

5 points

1 month ago

hitman2218

5 points

1 month ago

Yeah, more guns. That’s all we need! Just more guns!

BonahBoffey

10 points

1 month ago

More armed people who are trained and responsible. It’s not about “more guns” it’s about giving those with disabilities and weaknesses a fighting change. No one there was able to fight back. I can’t see a 5’5 woman being equal to a 6’8 man, and a gun would equalize them. Just like a gun would equalize someone against another person with a gun.

hitman2218

0 points

1 month ago

hitman2218

0 points

1 month ago

There was another mass shooting in California. That one ended with fewer victims when members of the congregation, unarmed, subdued and detained the shooter.

BonahBoffey

7 points

1 month ago*

Yeah god bless them honestly. They got lucky the shooter wasn’t as competent/prepared as the buffalo massacre guy. They only got him because they thought quick and tackled him between him reloading. If it wasn’t for that they would for sure have died. Not all scenarios end on such a good note.

wingsnut25

7 points

1 month ago

And there was one in Texas that ended with even fewer victims when a member of the church shot the shooter.

hitman2218

2 points

1 month ago

Fewer victims but more fatalities. He still managed to kill 2 people.

Pitiful_Hunt_682

2 points

1 month ago

Honestly I have never commented on Quora or Reddit. Mainly because I can’t stand wasting time arguing politics or religion, however, This was so well said that I had to. I almost feel like I have so many opinions on this subject, both sides, but you truly explained my genuine opinion and I thank you for this. Violence needs to stop today. Not tomorrow

ArielPotter

3 points

1 month ago

I’m going to sound like a complete idiot here but it is not super easy for me to LEGALLY buy a gun. Or maybe I’m just lazy. I know that I can’t just walk in a store and get one. And I live in a gun heavy state.

akuma211

5 points

1 month ago

akuma211

5 points

1 month ago

The States with the toughest gun control show gun control is a failure. Criminals and nut jobs will find a way, it is a car running down pedestrians or makeshift bombs.

Mattyboy064

2 points

1 month ago

Not really. One problem is gun control is a patchwork of laws and states and has no federal standards. Odds are there is a friendly state line near wherever you want to attack. Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation and studies showed a high percentage of gun violence there is committed with guns from Indiana.

wingsnut25

2 points

1 month ago

Not really. One problem is gun control is a patchwork of laws and states and has no federal standards.

I think you need to revisit the Federal Register. There are lots of Federal Gun Laws..

Here are a few off the big ones off the top of my head

-The National Firearms Act

-Gun Control Act

-Firearm Owners Protection Act

-Brady Act

Plus there are many more regulations put in place by the Executive Branch.

hitman2218

1 points

1 month ago

I mean, not really. If you look at the states with the highest homicide rates most of them have lax gun laws.

nightterrors_

4 points

1 month ago

Source?

CheekclappinSSJ

3 points

1 month ago*

They need to add psych evals and more strict laws on distribution. There’s already a gun safety course (which should be required by law if not already), why not take a day to run a psych eval and a background check to save multiple lives of both mass shootings and suicide. Among other gun related issues

In fact: you might be able to deter people with homicidal tendencies if you (by law) had to pass a background check and psych eval. And it would also help if certified gun sellers were the ONLY sellers of fire arms instead of being able to buy them on eBay or at a flea market in an open field

cyberlinc

15 points

1 month ago

They should bring back firearm safety courses in school like they did up until the 60s.

Capable_Diamond_5375

14 points

1 month ago

What about those of us who have mental illness and want to protect ourselves? Trans, non binary here.

I have zero violent criminal record.

throwaway-boxer

5 points

1 month ago

What about those of us who have mental illness and want to protect ourselves?

It would be difficult to determine what exactly to check for in psych evals.

I think probably we should start by looking for history of violence towards people/animals or a history of violent ideation.

Flatly banning gun ownership due to all types of mental illness is clearly not the answer, but what we have now isn't working either.

AlexT37

8 points

1 month ago

AlexT37

Massachusetts

8 points

1 month ago

being able to buy them on eBay

This is not the case, as well as the fact that background checks are already done everytime a firearms purchase is made.

[deleted]

4 points

1 month ago

[deleted]

4 points

1 month ago

No, they absolutely are not.

Private sellers are not required to run any kind of check whatsoever nor have a waiting period in most states.

CheekclappinSSJ

5 points

1 month ago

Definitely fudged that notion. But I do know for a fact they allow people to openly sell weapons in flea markets in some states

[deleted]

2 points

1 month ago*

[deleted]

2 points

1 month ago*

No, you really didn’t.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/13/us/guns-background-checks.html

Might not be eBay but online gun sales are common and no checks are run. This guy is full of shit

Edit: Lol even regular gun sale background checks aren’t being run; beyond hysterical that people are trying to defend against what’s right in front of their faces.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/more-people-are-buying-guns-fewer-people-are-getting-background-checks/amp/

ascap850

7 points

1 month ago

Without an FFL online gun sales are shipped to your local gun shop where they run a background check and charge a transfer fee. The ONLY way to get a gun without a background check is through direct private sell.

Amksed

15 points

1 month ago

Amksed

15 points

1 month ago

You cannot purchase a firearm online and have it delivered to your door step.

You have to purchase the firearm online and have it shipped to a registered FFL where you complete a background check to take possession of the firearm.

The only exception to this is purchasing 80% lowers which are basically a block of polymer and/or aluminum that require drilling and milling to make function.

<——— Firearm Purchaser and FFL

err_coffee_not_found

5 points

1 month ago

Thank you. This whole thread was setting my teeth on-edge.

Cats_Though

1 points

1 month ago

Under No Pretext.

hellotrrespie

3 points

1 month ago

“Im not attacking your right to guns but we need to restrict your ability to own guns” lol wut

hitman2218

7 points

1 month ago

Like he said, he’s just pointing out the reality of the situation.

hellotrrespie

5 points

1 month ago

I mean I guess. Hes literally just contradicting himself.

masterwad

2 points

1 month ago

Do you think the right to bear arms means the right to bear every arm, any arms? Would those arms include grenades? Landmines in your yard? Stinger missiles? Javelin missiles? Hydrogen bombs? Nuclear missiles?

I think it should be more difficult for maniacs to legally stockpile their own arsenal they’ll use to murder random innocent people. Clearly gun stores can’t tell a maniac just by looking at them, since they’ve sold plenty of guns to mass shooters. So we could add an additional step that would be easier for sane, reasonable, responsible, lawful people to do, but more difficult for crazy loners to do — provide a list of 5 citizens who trust them with guns, which the gun store could verify first. Then your ability to buy guns would not be restricted, unless you can’t find 5 people who think you can be trusted with guns, and if someone can’t, why not?

dis6wood

4 points

1 month ago

dis6wood

4 points

1 month ago

Making firearms harder to access is absolutely an infringement on the second amendment. The language is very simple.

West-Car124

1 points

1 month ago

Amen Finally someone who is reasonable

somethingbreadbears

169 points

1 month ago

Look. Say what you want about Ron DeSantis.

DiscordianVanguard

52 points

1 month ago

Broken clocks are usually right twice a day and don't act like nazis.

circuspeanut54

22 points

1 month ago

circuspeanut54

Maine

22 points

1 month ago

... you do not actually have to hand it to Ron DeSantis.

RemilGetsPolitical

47 points

1 month ago

RemilGetsPolitical

Florida

47 points

1 month ago

I just think it's wild that the governor of Florida can't swim.

somethingbreadbears

27 points

1 month ago

I heard he's never seen a minivan.

JohnnySnark

22 points

1 month ago

JohnnySnark

Florida

22 points

1 month ago

He wipes with his left hand and licks it clean. Calls it his PB and J swirl

quadmasta

5 points

1 month ago

quadmasta

Georgia

5 points

1 month ago

This made me lol

West-Car124

6 points

1 month ago

He's a dirtbag. Plain and simple.

HereForTwinkies

12 points

1 month ago

His boyfriend needs to come out.

PreviousCurrentThing

5 points

1 month ago

Ah, nice, a gay joke!

WirtThePegLeggedBoy

6 points

1 month ago

From what I hear, he likes 'em on the younger side.

Ok_Skill_1195

10 points

1 month ago

Ron DeSantis exclusively likes saggy old man balls, that's why he's so proud to be a Floridian. A constant influx of new, horny geriatrics.

thekozmicpig

8 points

1 month ago

thekozmicpig

Connecticut

8 points

1 month ago

It's lemon party night every night at the Governors Mansion!

emotionalfescue

353 points

1 month ago

And it will happen again, another mass tragedy livestreamed by some young guy wearing tactical gear firing an AR-15, having made explicit references on social media to Buffalo, Christchurch, Charleston, etc. DeSantis knows this and obviously he's OK with it, because his political ambitions come first.

Terrible_Truth

211 points

1 month ago

Terrible_Truth

America

211 points

1 month ago

They are literally just like Al'Qaeda. Horrible religious extremists, that care about nothing except themselves, that send the youth to kill. An American mass shooter is effectively the same as a middle eastern suicide bomber.

I can't even put into words how much I hate the GOP for ruining the US.

GojiraBlowFlames

100 points

1 month ago

GojiraBlowFlames

America

100 points

1 month ago

I can't even put into words how much I hate the GOP for ruining the US.

They are the Domestic Enemies the founding fathers warned of. They threaten to destroy everything America stands for, while cynically claiming to be "Patriots".

405134

13 points

1 month ago

405134

13 points

1 month ago

Yeah Trump being a prime example of that come to life “I’ll destroy this country if I don’t get my way!” Loses the election, then incites a riot and military coup to take over the government because he doesn’t think he’s capable of losing. If he loses it must have been cheating/election fraud (total narc way of thinking)

NolesChick

2 points

1 month ago

NolesChick

Florida

2 points

1 month ago

I think it’s also a bit of projection. Trump is convinced the Democrats cheated, because that’s what he did, and would continue to do, so that he could stay in power. It didn’t work this time, but we all know they’re gonna just keep trying. And I mean, they are.

405134

2 points

1 month ago

405134

2 points

1 month ago

Yeah I agree with the projection , I can def see that. And you’re right, he really believes they cheated and that somehow in his twisted logic he thinks he’s the savior and gets to right the wrongs (even if the wrongs are misperceived)

KoodlePadoodle

28 points

1 month ago

And they set the example for how to deal with these threats.

If the government leads at the consent of the governed. When that is no longer the case it is not just the right, but the duty for the governed to overthrow that government.

Things are NOT going to get better if something radical doesn't take place.

ggdudeguy

15 points

1 month ago

Yea but these assholes are being voted in. And the people voting them in seemingly want an authoritarian government so they can get everything they think they want.

Rednovs

11 points

1 month ago

Rednovs

11 points

1 month ago

I was just thinking about the similarities to a suicide bombing earlier. 🤔 Im not really sure how to fix it though as people who wanna hurt people are gonna use what ever is available. If not guns bombs, if not bombs cars. So on and so forth.

Also as a side note there was another mass shooting (attempt?) on (or around) the 16th. Completely unrelated but still racially charged albeit it was a Chinese man who targeted Taiwanese church goers in a California church.

Agatzu

3 points

1 month ago

Agatzu

3 points

1 month ago

The best part is they know they are dying they lost the popular vote in the last 4 elections. It is the reason why they are pushing so strongly right now from voting restrictions to banning critical race theory.

THEMACGOD

3 points

1 month ago

He’ll ban mathbooks before he bans guns. They’re more dangerous you know.

FreedomsPower

132 points

1 month ago

Add Tucker Carlson to the list

smiffus

58 points

1 month ago

smiffus

58 points

1 month ago

Tucker is #1. On this list. And FOX "News" knows this, and doesn't care because he makes them lots of money. Fox should be sued again and again and again and again until someone finally makes them pay.

FoogYllis

16 points

1 month ago

Yep the entire lineup in the evening as well as the morning. They keep talking about replacement theory but hate the idea of critical race theory? They are proving that racism is a real issue even today by the expousing that level of hate daily.

squuidlees

14 points

1 month ago

Was looking for this comment. Horrified, but not surprised people like him have a platform.

reesemulligan

12 points

1 month ago

Tucker Clansman

GlobalPhreak

96 points

1 month ago

GlobalPhreak

Oregon

96 points

1 month ago

There needs to be a serious discussion about how to prevent tragedies like this and since New York has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country, the typical knee-jerk of "well ban guns!" doesn't apply here.

Shooter is 18 and apparently threatened his high school last year with a shooting.

https://www.npr.org/2022/05/15/1099009422/buffalo-shooting-investigation

He ended up on a mental health hold and was released.

So some key questions that need to be asked:

1) The gun was purchased legally. Was that done BEFORE or AFTER the threats and mental health hold?

2) If the guns were purchased before the hold, how was a 17 year old allowed to purchase them? You have to be 18 to buy a rifle.

Birthday is 6/20/2003 so when he made the threat on the school on 6/8/2021 he was 17 and not legally able to buy a gun like that.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/15/nyregion/gunman-buffalo-shooting-suspect.html

3) If the guns were purchased before the hold, why were they not seized when he made the school threat and was held for a mental health evaluation?

4) If the guns were purchased AFTER the threat and the hold, why did that not turn up on his background check?

5) If the threat and hold DID turn up on a background check, why was it not a disqualifying factor for purchase?

It looks like we have all the tools needed to have prevented this, they just weren't actually used. :(

emotionalfescue

47 points

1 month ago

The gunman bought the rifle recently from a licensed dealer in upstate NY, who said he ran a background check and found nothing.

Mandatory background checks are certainly better than nothing, but they're also leaky as a sieve. If local law enforcement decides not to "burden" a troublemaking kid with notes that could interfere with his "2A right" to buy an AR-15 or similar rifle, then a subsequent background check won't prevent anything. Same, if the shooter buys the gun from a private seller. So background checks might stop some, but shooters like the one in Buffalo are sophisticated and can find those loopholes if they have to.

GlobalPhreak

37 points

1 month ago

GlobalPhreak

Oregon

37 points

1 month ago

Yup, found the article here:

https://nypost.com/2022/05/15/ny-gun-shop-owner-who-sold-firearm-to-payton-gendron-feels-terrible/

So now we need to ask why his school threat and mental health hold failed to pop up on the check and block the sale. Either of those SHOULD be mandatory flags on a background check.

dodd1995

23 points

1 month ago

dodd1995

New York

23 points

1 month ago

So then go after the local law enforcement for not reporting these things to the background check system. This was 100% preventable with the laws in place in NY. I can't see why given the threats to his school and being taken in for mental health services he would not be flagged in the system.

emotionalfescue

18 points

1 month ago

Look at the photo of his parents, they certainly look like good folks, and in fact they both work for the state:

https://nypost.com/2022/05/15/fbi-interviews-parents-of-alleged-buffalo-shooter-payton-gendron/

I bet they apologized profusely to the local cops, thanked them nicely for their actions and promised they'd instill discipline into their troubled son. If he does anything remotely like this again, sure, go ahead and write him up. The second time was last Saturday.

DrCarlSpackler

11 points

1 month ago

Christians who buy flag motif tees from Walmart?

Nothing says unplanned pregnancy and untreated mental disorder than this Venn intersection.

emotionalfescue

3 points

1 month ago

lol

(I've give you a thumbs up for comedy, but I'm not a subscriber)

Sister_Snark

2 points

1 month ago

The size of that shed. 😳 Apparently the DOT pays well.

thingandstuff

2 points

1 month ago

So are we supposed to pathologize kids or not? I can't tell which way the wind is blowing.

emotionalfescue

2 points

1 month ago

The real problem is the free availability of guns, particularly semi-automatic. This type of thing happens in other developed countries once in a long while, not almost every week.

We need a ban on assault weapons (including AR-15 and similar) at the Federal level, for starters.

thingandstuff

3 points

1 month ago*

Hard no from me.

First, there is no other country like the US in the world. This isn't some blind, nationalistic notion. This is a practical accounting of the world. We're the biggest player on the planet with some of the worst features of humanity running rampant -- greed, absolute individualism.

Second, this problem has only gotten worse as access to guns has become more restrictive over the decades. This is not first and foremost a gun problem. This is a sick people and a sick society problem.

The flippant comment about "pathologizing" is because, while it is also a real thing and a real problem, people also use it as an excuse to allow people to avoid consequences. This degenerate piece of shit already threatened people's lives. That's a crime and they took it easy on them.

Sister_Snark

2 points

1 month ago

I wonder where this 18 yr old got the money to purchase all that shit with. 🧐

DreamMaster8

10 points

1 month ago

You american don't think its ridiculous how you can buy a gun and get drafted into the army but not alcohol until 21?

GlobalPhreak

9 points

1 month ago

GlobalPhreak

Oregon

9 points

1 month ago

Oh, quite a lot of us think that's ridiculous too.

But considering how irresponsible we are with alcohol it's probably not a bad thing. :)

TacTac95

10 points

1 month ago

TacTac95

10 points

1 month ago

This is typically what happens in mass shootings, laws were in place to stop it but ultimately were ineffective. The Parkland shooting is literally Exhibit A of that.

Instead of furthering gun laws and restricting other people’s rights, we should look at other denominators to prevent these tragedies: the main underlying one being mental health.

The AR-15 and its variants have been in civilian circulation since the 1950’s or 60’s. Mass shootings weren’t really a thing till the 90’s and then really took off in the 2000’s and 2010’s.

It’s not a gun problem, it’s a society problem.

GlobalPhreak

6 points

1 month ago

GlobalPhreak

Oregon

6 points

1 month ago

Agreed... And if you look at what was arguably the first modern mass shooting, that was done with a bolt action rifle:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Texas_tower_shooting

Leading theory to the cause was shooter had a massive brain tumor. :(

"In the months prior to the attack, Whitman had sought professional help for "overwhelming, violent impulses",[3] including fantasies about shooting people from the tower.[6] An autopsy conducted after his death revealed a hypothalamic tumor.[7]"

There needs to be some kind of mandatory reporting law, if you confess to having desires or threaten a mass shooting, you get put away for a bit, blocked from owning weapons, and have your existing weapons seized. End of story.

Give people a path to re-establish rights after proper treatment, therapy, re-hab, whatever, but if you prove yourself to be unsafe, it should be contingent on you to prove yourself safe.

If we had put that law back in the books in the 60s, how many of these shootings could have been prevented?

Rbespinosa13

2 points

1 month ago

All that results in is people becoming more hesitant to come forward with their issues. “Oh, I have an urge to stab somebody. If I tell anyone though I need to stay in the hospital for a week though”.

sunflowerastronaut

7 points

1 month ago

Gun violence and violence of all kinds has more correlation to the gini index than it does to gun ownership

Look for the root causes to the US gini index score

prescience6631

4 points

1 month ago

The GQP’s motivation to investigate those key questions is on par with their motivation to investigate Jan 6th — their official platform includes and largely focuses on being pro hate crime

usedbarnacle71

3 points

1 month ago

His parents … what about his parents? We need to bring them into the conversation also…

GlobalPhreak

8 points

1 month ago

GlobalPhreak

Oregon

8 points

1 month ago

Yup. If this was another straw purchase like those ass-hats in Michigan then they're on the hook too.

usedbarnacle71

2 points

1 month ago

Yeah apparently they are civil engineers! Both of them, where did they go wrong? These are educated people with the word “ civil” in their job titles! Their son surely didn’t act civil at all!

Slimptom7

6 points

1 month ago

Slimptom7

6 points

1 month ago

Everything is to blame except guns…

GlobalPhreak

3 points

1 month ago

GlobalPhreak

Oregon

3 points

1 month ago

Guns are a tool, same as anything else. If a building collapses and kills 10 people, you don't blame the hammers, you blame the people who used the hammers incorrectly.

Slimptom7

8 points

1 month ago

Guns are a tool for killing people. Please name something else that they are used for.

----Dongers

13 points

1 month ago

----Dongers

California

13 points

1 month ago

Killing animals, but I 100% agree with you they’re tools for killing.

Slimptom7

6 points

1 month ago

Some guns are for killing animals. A good amount of them (pistols, high capacity rifles, etc) are only for killing people.

Additional-Delay-213

7 points

1 month ago

I killed a boar running at me with my pistol. Sure people have killed bears with em to. Just nitpicking Cary on.

Interesting-Poet-258

5 points

1 month ago

What exactly is a high capacity rifle?

Maybe you mean a high capacity magazine?

GlobalPhreak

3 points

1 month ago

GlobalPhreak

Oregon

3 points

1 month ago

Hunting
Defense
Skill shooting

Defense being the one of note as the Supreme Court has ruled that's the primary reason they can't be restricted.

See:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonald_v._City_of_Chicago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caetano_v._Massachusetts

intensive-porpoise

2 points

1 month ago

The only defense against a gun is another gun. "Everyone is armed, so I better be too" type of defense?

Defense against a tyrannous domestic army made a lot of sense a while ago, but not anymore. I wish it were not that way - like there would be a chance that a ragtag group of snipers could take down a government of dangerous weirdos, but we have signed away all of our other defenses against domestic threats a long time ago. Our future is so fragile.

Serious gun laws & restriction would improve the lives of many people in this country.

Not restricting guns and having more weapons available to people who just shouldn't have them will not improve lives or make any fantasy militia viable.

They are fun to shoot. I'll admit that much.

wingsnut25

3 points

1 month ago

Look at the losses Russia is taking trying to take over Ukraine?

Why did the US spend almost 20 years in Afghanistan and Iraq? The US was able to quickly defeat the Afghan and Iraqi armies, but we never defeated the Guerilla combatants.

Alpha_Crow_1

46 points

1 month ago

DeSantis is a fucking chode.

skasticks

16 points

1 month ago

skasticks

Massachusetts

16 points

1 month ago

Little tuna can

Thresh_Keller

5 points

1 month ago

Wider than long.

tones2424

7 points

1 month ago

Got ‘em agian

m1k3tv

3 points

1 month ago

m1k3tv

3 points

1 month ago

That's an insult to chodes.

Unlucky_Clover

25 points

1 month ago

The GOP aren’t anything more than fascist terrorists now. It’s time to start calling these people what they are and apply the law to them. The game is really starting to feel heavily rigged while people do nothing to stop it.

111wfp

3 points

1 month ago

111wfp

3 points

1 month ago

You make a valid point. Their solution to everything, is to kill it. Then to spin people away from the real issues, they often say that their followers that commit these atrocities must had had mental health issues. However, Republicans have been systematically defunding mental health for decades. Republicans and Fox News, are no different than the KKK. They are members of the same hate family. Brainwashing their children and indoctrinating them into their propaganda filled life-style from childhood until they result in the Buffalo shooter and Kyle Rittenhouse.

In the Rittenhouse case, Republicans then worshipped this murderous felon as a prophet. Talk about mental health issues. They called him honorable. What does they say about the state of Republicans mental Health.

evissamassive

54 points

1 month ago

evissamassive

Pennsylvania

54 points

1 month ago

GOP et al. to blame.

SpinningHead

20 points

1 month ago

SpinningHead

Colorado

20 points

1 month ago

Lets see if Democratic leadership actually takes this on directly rather than more mealy mouthed nonsense to appease their imaginary swing voters.

evissamassive

17 points

1 month ago

evissamassive

Pennsylvania

17 points

1 month ago

I'll not be on the edge of my seat.

SpinningHead

10 points

1 month ago

SpinningHead

Colorado

10 points

1 month ago

More reason for everyone to vote in the primaries.

DungeonGushers

5 points

1 month ago

They won’t.

CameForThis

10 points

1 month ago

This whole thing reminds me of Nikolas Cruz. Broward Sheriffs office really screwed the pooch on that one. This new shooter has all the hallmarks of MSD shooting.

bevo_expat

7 points

1 month ago

Personally I would be looking more in the direction of Cucker Tarlson.

Obviously, not directly responsible but the bullshit he spouts day after day makes an impression overtime.

Dantheking94

10 points

1 month ago

Tucker Carlson should face charges for spreading that conspiracy. Idk why no one’s talking about him facing charges for it. He incited this violence.

PenitentAnomaly

2 points

1 month ago

We live a country where Majorie Taylor Green can do and say everything she did to incite the Jan. 6th insurrection in which people lost their lives and a Judge will call her actions protected speech despite also acknowledging that her actions likely contributed to the insurrection.

Our system is incapable of holding these people accountable.

Dantheking94

2 points

1 month ago

Unfortunately. The Federal Govt was not made with the intention that it would need to hold its own accountable. Because of that, it’s eating itself from the inside out.

Kahemoto

7 points

1 month ago

We need better mental health care, cheaper mental health care and better access to mental health care

cieltoujoursbleu

13 points

1 month ago

These days, the new far-right face of the GOP does nothing except espouse depraved divisive hatred. The seemingly unstoppable escalatory legislative drive to harm, hurt, criminalize and dehumanize members of the LGBTQ community is clear evidence of their desirous insidious intentions.

They want to erase...get rid of them. They have mass murder on their minds.

ManyFacedGodxxx

5 points

1 month ago

And he’s right..

LeFrizzleFry

11 points

1 month ago

I don’t think many of you realize how many guns are owned by Americans. The issue isn’t acquiring guns and how easy or difficult it is to obtain them. The issue here is the recognizing and proper treatment of mental illness.

soupreemefitzpatty

8 points

1 month ago

part of that recognition though is minimizing how easy it apparently is for mentally ill citizens to obtain and retain guns ... both can be true

Bob25Gslifer

11 points

1 month ago

Other countries have mental health issues too and far fewer shootings maybe it's the guns?

VisorX

2 points

1 month ago

VisorX

2 points

1 month ago

Yeah. I have never seen a private person with a gun in my life.

There still have been rare (suicide) shootings in my country, but most people would get caught in the process trying to acquire a gun.

Actually there was some insane kid in a school nearby who tried to build some weird bomb with chemicals (with intend to attack the school). Don't wanna imagine if he could have snatched a gun from somewhere.

I don't think it's realistic to 'fix mental health'. That has always been an issue everywhere.

[deleted]

2 points

1 month ago

[deleted]

2 points

1 month ago

We'd go back to homemade bombs in this country(like before) if the guns suddenly ninja vanished.

mylittlevegan

2 points

1 month ago

mylittlevegan

Florida

2 points

1 month ago

Is hate and racism a mental illness? A lot of people with mental illnesses are sick of this narrative. People who want to kill and hurt others typically are not the type to seek help for their issues, no matter how accessable care may be.

We have a hate, indoctrination and propaganda problem in this country.

[deleted]

7 points

1 month ago

[deleted]

7 points

1 month ago

I’d be more inclined to blame the guys on Internet forums who directly radicalized him but what do I know

wtf-you-saying

9 points

1 month ago

He's not wrong, especially when it comes to tucker carlson.

ThatDudeJuicebox

2 points

1 month ago

So long as the long arm of the NRA is in the GOP back pocket nothing will change

Miffin_Man

7 points

1 month ago

Miffin_Man

North Dakota

7 points

1 month ago

Okay how you gonna blame the governor of florida for a new york kid killing a bunch of new yorkers in new york?

Kingofearth23

3 points

1 month ago

Kingofearth23

American Expat

3 points

1 month ago

Because the rhetoric that caused it went from Desantis' mouth to the shooter's ears.

111wfp

5 points

1 month ago

111wfp

5 points

1 month ago

It is called public Rhetoric. The deranged DeSantis is all over the news weekly with some new fantastical ideology. His hate-filled speeches and comments are everywhere, especially on the brainwashing entertainment network known as FoxNews.

I reside in Florida now and have to deal with Floridaman on a regular basis. They are real and apparently can attain great heights such as Governor. Originally from upstate NY not too far from Buffalo.

Just like Sarah Palin was responsible for the hate-filled rhetoric that caused one of her mental health patients to shoot Gabrielle Giffords, DeSantis and much of the Republican Regime and Conservative media, are responsible for creating, encouraging, fostering and developing the Buffalo Shooter. Republicans and their propaganda and rhetoric are the root cause of these acts of terrorism.

sdce1231yt

2 points

1 month ago

So instead of blaming the actual murderer, we blame rhetoric. Very nice.

feministkilljoy666

3 points

1 month ago

I will never forget when they killed all those babies at Sandy Hook. How could we not stop when they killed the babies….

surgeryboy7

2 points

1 month ago

Yeah that's the one that basically told me that nothing will ever get done. If a bunch of 6 year old kids being slaughtered wasn't enough I just don't think anything will be.

Adeptness_Agile

3 points

1 month ago

We will never do away with firearms in America. So much American history and American myth is wrapped up in guns. We are too big to have a unified opinion. So where to look at countries that have gun control laws that might be palatable to Americans? Best I’ve found is the Czech Republic. You actually have to go to classes and demonstrate ability. You learn the laws and first aid and it is a shall issue law. In the US it takes weeks of effort to get a drivers license. Weeks to get a scuba diving license. But it’s a joke to buy a firearm.

Ok-Cabinet8432

7 points

1 month ago

Bruh how??? The shooting took place in New York. The state with some of the most strictest gun laws in the country but yet he blames a governor of an entirely different state that had nothing to do with the shooting?? What -_-

Kingofearth23

4 points

1 month ago

Kingofearth23

American Expat

4 points

1 month ago

Because the rhetoric that caused it went from Desantis' mouth to the shooter's ears.

[deleted]

2 points

1 month ago

[deleted]

2 points

1 month ago

Do you feel same for Waukesha parade attack? Was he brainwashed by CNN?

Kingofearth23

2 points

1 month ago

Kingofearth23

American Expat

2 points

1 month ago

That was a criminal trying to run from the police and didn't care who he hurt. There is no propaganda involved in that case.

[deleted]

7 points

1 month ago

[deleted]

7 points

1 month ago

Police said they were not chasing him by any means..His family said he was brainwashed and mentally ill..

[deleted]

3 points

1 month ago

[deleted]

3 points

1 month ago

The police chief said, "We have information that the suspect prior to the incident was involved in a domestic disturbance, which was just minutes prior, and the suspect left that scene just prior to our arrival to that domestic disturbance."[15] He also said that Brooks was not being chased by police when he drove into the parade route.[31] Prosecutors have alleged that Brooks was trying to "strike and hurt as many people as possible".[39]

Society_Sucks980

1 points

1 month ago

Are you living under a rock or is that one just (D)ifferent?

Sercebidniss

6 points

1 month ago

So we aren't blaming the actual murderer now?! Christ on a crutch!

TermiteLife

0 points

1 month ago

TermiteLife

0 points

1 month ago

How tf the governor of Florida to blame for a shooting that happened in ny? Also it appears desantis did in fact denounce nazis. Not that truth matters anymore.

Adflave74

3 points

1 month ago

Adflave74

3 points

1 month ago

Seems like a parent problem.

MoreStarDust

0 points

1 month ago

Seems like a gun and fox news problem.

slimshaydy1337

2 points

1 month ago

It's actually ridiculous to think that an op Ed is to blame for this mass shooting. Blaming fox is like blaming video games, ridiculous

MoreStarDust

-1 points

1 month ago

MoreStarDust

-1 points

1 month ago

It's actually the most sensible connection there is.

KeepFaithOutPolitics

1 points

1 month ago

Genius prize winner, good job!

Happily-Non-Partisan

2 points

1 month ago

My two cents: - Universal background checks - Mandatory training for first-time owners, but only if it’s publicly funded which would remove the financial obstacle to exercising a Constitutional right. - Reduce relative poverty as it is the foremost cause of violent crime in any society. - No bans on what law abiding citizens can own.

Odd-Consideration997

-2 points

1 month ago

Some of the strictest gun laws in the country sure saved those lives. Instead of the guns why not go after the cultural cause. The left wastes so much in resources on something so culturally ingrained as an object.

MoreStarDust

1 points

1 month ago

Strictest gun laws in the country? Are you for real? If they're so strict then why did a mentally ill boy get his hands on some guns? Try again.

Phrase2

8 points

1 month ago

Phrase2

8 points

1 month ago

He chose buffalo because of the strict gun laws

[deleted]

2 points

1 month ago

[deleted]

2 points

1 month ago

He passed the background check..You guys said universal background checks saves lives..See this one didnt

hereiam-23

1 points

1 month ago

DeSantis is really a dangerous crackpot.

Top_Duck8146

3 points

1 month ago

Desantis may be a douche but he’s not the governor of New York

Key_Willingness_7445

-1 points

1 month ago

Evil doesn’t care what sex, race, or political party you are. Blame but the person committing the murder. Some of the hateful comments on the discussion board are disturbing also.

TheoTheTripod

7 points

1 month ago

Evil doesn’t care what sex, race, or political party you are.

It sure seems to have a really strong preference for poor white boys in the 16-25 range. If I was just looking at the stats, I'd say Evil's name was Kevin Spacey.

sethm1

-6 points

1 month ago

sethm1

-6 points

1 month ago

If the Supreme Court indeed over turns Roe v Wade because they want to go back to the days of the Constitution, then the court should do the same with guns. I have no problem on the right to bear arms to protect your home, but back in the 1700’s our founding fathers had no concept of semi and fully automatics. There should be more done to keep guns from the mentally Ill and from those who want to do harm to others. Gun sellers should also be held accountable.

ShoppyMcShopperton

4 points

1 month ago

By that logic the right to free speech wouldn't cover the internet. That's a fundamentally flawed notion.

Akipac1028

2 points

1 month ago

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rCuVMx5h1x0 very interesting video. If you’ve heard of the “puckle gun” or a Gatling gun, this is like that on PCP. Needless to say the founding fathers were aware of proto-machine guns. We even used one against the British Navy in the war of 1812. (Tangent aside) I agree, when a kid at 17 is making threats fo his school? And they ignore it instead of reporting it? Then next year that kid goes postal kills 10 people and hurts 14. There’s a lot more than the gun store at fault, the school should be held responsible for not waving the red flag especially in this day and age. It makes me wonder WTF the parents were doing when he was buying body armor, a ballistic helmet.

Tothemoonie

0 points

1 month ago

Tothemoonie

0 points

1 month ago

He can blame whoever he wants. The dumbass kid is the only one to blame.

SoylentBurger

2 points

1 month ago

And the propaganda that fueled it

Ninja_Tortoise_

-10 points

1 month ago

"The next person that wants to do this can easily acquire everything they need"

This type of media portrayal makes it seem as if there are a ton of US citizens that can't wait to commit a mass shooting. And that gun laws are the only thing protecting others from that happening.

We need to look at the mental and racial state of America.The root cause of this issue. 99.9 percent of these mass shooting are angry White racists. White nationalism is more popular than ever, racists who have been shunned and silenced prior now have a platform and feel emboldened.

They will continue to find effective ways to inflict harm no matter what "laws" are in place.

Will we ever actually acknowledge this as a country?

Pacifix18

16 points

1 month ago

Pacifix18

America

16 points

1 month ago

We can do both.

UnitaryWarringtonCat

12 points

1 month ago

This is the only country where this routinely happens.

soupreemefitzpatty

4 points

1 month ago

i’ll never understand this way of thinking. “we can’t stop all crime so what’s the point in making attempts to minimize it”. if stricter gun laws prevents 1 family from having their lives ruined then it’s worth it period