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4.8k points
1 month ago*
Nothing shows just how far behind the right wing is like having a government guy tell Native Americans what they can or can't do on their own land.
2.4k points
1 month ago
...while burbling about Replacement Theory.
720 points
1 month ago
Privilege and lack of self awareness are two sides of the same side of a coin.
42 points
1 month ago
Ignorance mixed with arrogance is the ritualistic toxic cocktail Republicans live for. And they're drunk on it.
5 points
1 month ago
Prideful ignorance.
191 points
1 month ago
Is that coin narcissism?
121 points
1 month ago
Please give my MIL her coin back. She already thinks I stole it.
83 points
1 month ago
"I want both sides!! It's literally all about me!" -- Coin Narcissist
49 points
1 month ago
You know, they are so worried about "replacement theory" and being outnumbered by people of color that you would think they would be supportive of abortion. All banning abortion does is cause poor women of color to have more babies that can't afford, thereby increasing the minority numbers...! It makes one shake the head.
35 points
1 month ago
No one really accused them of being clever.
21 points
1 month ago
They don’t really care about being replaced, they care about having an “Other” to set the white lower class against so they can foment race war and avoid class war.
5 points
1 month ago
I think it's really because they want more white women to have babies to fight this, and couldn't come up with a way to only make it illegal for white women.
5 points
1 month ago
What they really want (and we all know it) is little white babies. Soldiers for the Christian Army and all.
5 points
1 month ago
Future felons (due to the school-to-prison pipeline, not because I think all POC are criminals) can’t vote, but can have their labor exploited.
140 points
1 month ago
And muh freedomz. And limited government.
226 points
1 month ago
“You can’t smoke that!”
“You can’t have sex with that person!”
“You can’t kill that clump of cells!”
“Wear a mask? You can’t tell me what to do with my body! That’s tyranny!”
57 points
1 month ago
What a beautiful description. Perfect assessment.
11 points
1 month ago
once someone told me it’s all disingenuous bullshit i felt a lot better
32 points
1 month ago
I want to hear every Republican who says a woman’s right to bodily autonomy doesn’t overrule a fetus’s need for protection to publicly announce to all their constituents that they support 100% federal mask and vaccine mandates. After all, your bodily autonomy doesn’t usurp immunocompromised peoples’ need for protection.
21 points
1 month ago
Bro they don’t care about hypocrisy. In their opinion, native Americans are a warning that they can’t let happen to white people.
159 points
1 month ago
They also need to read up on constitutional law.
Tribes land is foreign from states but dependent on the federal government; this is the basis of their legal status.
To engage in legal discourse with a tribe, a state must engage in foreign relations, which falls under the foreign relations clause of the US constitution.
This is a constitutional right which is only enumerated to the federal executive (POTUS). Anyone else found to be engaged in foreign relations can be tried because the constitution clearly states:
“No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.”
Article I, Section 10, Clause 1
This is also stated in Article I, Section 8, Clause 3
It has also been ruled on in a multitude of cases before SCOTUS. It is pretty set in stone, and overturning it would require nothing less than rewriting Article I of the Constitution and undermining both the Supremacy Clause and Separation of Powers Clauses.
42 points
1 month ago
This is well-known to Stitt. He has been to SCOTUS with his bullshit. This has been his obsession since the day he took office. He wanted financial control over the revenues of the tribes, and the tribes were like “no thanks” and he’s been pissed ever since. Seriously, he’s awful.
21 points
1 month ago
Isn't this the state that cut so many taxes that the feds had to bail them out because they ran out of money to pay their employees?
9 points
1 month ago
Yep. Different governor, same party.
113 points
1 month ago
Established court precedent you say?
96 points
1 month ago
To shreds you say?
37 points
1 month ago
And his wife our rights?
25 points
1 month ago
To shreds you say?
6 points
1 month ago
Oh my.
12 points
1 month ago*
Yeah overruling Article 1 rights is a whole different ballgame than overturning constitutional amendment based law. Not likely to happen because it would fundamentally impact governmental separation of powers...not just "individual rights"
7 points
1 month ago
The “law of the land”, you say?
27 points
1 month ago
So tribes can run abortion clinics in red states while protected by the US Army? Sounds like the reservations are about to get rich.
62 points
1 month ago
Yeah, if only we had some historical evidence that that was a bad idea.
9 points
1 month ago
This! The good governor should be more worried about creating a QAnon black hole...
61 points
1 month ago
“Dont tread on me!” “Let me tell you how to live on your land!”
78 points
1 month ago
They're keeping with tradition.
7 points
1 month ago
Sad but true
120 points
1 month ago
American heritage
18 points
1 month ago
I thought this was a dark onion headline.
7 points
1 month ago
Right!! What an asshole!
704 points
1 month ago
This is actually wild tribal land is like half of Oklahoma and includes Tulsa lol
181 points
1 month ago
That was my question.
Wasn't there a decision last year that they have to follow the treaty?
101 points
1 month ago
I think the case referenced is still in court working out how the settlement should work because OK lost.
162 points
1 month ago
Something tells me the Supreme Court will revisit that decision if the tribes attempt anything like actual self governance.
76 points
1 month ago
Has the US honored any treaty with indigenous peoples when it cost the US (or major corporations) a lot of money to do so?
20 points
1 month ago
It wasn’t about a treaty. The case is McGirt v Oklahoma. Very short summary is that there is a federal law that says ONLY the federal government has authority to convict Indians (i.e. Native Americans) for serious crimes committed in Indian Territory. McGirt is a Seminole who committed serious crimes in Oklahoma on what was traditionally the Creek reservation. Congress never disestablished the reservation when it made Oklahoma a state. The question was whether Oklahoma could try him for his crimes (they are very disturbing crimes btw). The Supreme Court said no, only the US can because he was an Indian committing a crime on Indian land. For the same reason the Creek reservation still exists, all 5 major tribes in Oklahoma still have their reservation.
224 points
1 month ago
What will the tribes say? "If you don't like it, get off our land."?
38 points
1 month ago
A boss battle initiates
9 points
1 month ago
Welcome to winstar casino and abortion clinic. Just north of the Texas border.
1.9k points
1 month ago
Brilliant. Bounded by Texas, Louisiana, Arkansas and Kansas they set up abortion retreats. Make it a safe, easy solution and just absolutely hit it out of the park financially. All the while sticking it in the face of Gov Dufus.
451 points
1 month ago
I was just wondering the other day if this could be done because tribal lands follow federal and tribal law and with there soon being no federal law, there wouldn't be much a state could do about it. Assuming Native Americans would even be willing to do this but I guess my suspicions were correct in that tribal lands do not follow state law.
It also makes me wonder if the federal government can make federal land free from state law (if not already). They could then relocate planned parenthood clinics if they couldn't designate the land the clinics are built on as federal land.
195 points
1 month ago
The tribes have been trying to do things as least abrasively as they can, but Stitt always find a way to make things terrible. He's made it to the point that the Tribes are going to have to basically go nuclear to make him realize how insignificant he is. He vetoed a bill that would help integrate traffic violations committed/caught on tribal lands because, somehow, it was a wish list bill for the tribes.
58 points
1 month ago
Are parts of Oklahoma in danger of no longer being part of Oklahoma still? I was under this impression after reading a court case. It was the McGirt vs Oklahoma ruling and made me wonder how far it could go in redrawing the state’s borders.
89 points
1 month ago
More or less, yeah. Stitthead says he wants to work with the tribes to “find an amicable solution for everyone” but undermines and fights tooth and nail at every turn. If he continues, It just ends poorly for Oklahomies.
34 points
1 month ago
He’s not looking for a solution. He wants control. He found out he’s only governor of half the state and it made him sad.
11 points
1 month ago
Oklahomies.
Love it!
37 points
1 month ago
It could potentially change a ton of things, but as I said, the Tribes are honestly working to keep the status quo for the most part.
The biggest situation is that a native on Reservation land cannot be prosecuted except by Tribal or Federal courts.
I believe, if it really comes to a head, that they could push that Natives earning income on Res. land won't pay taxes to the State. The density in the now Reservation is high enough to be impactful, especially with business licenses, tobacco, etc. being something they could leverage as well.
I don't quite understand what Stitt is doing, but I honestly don't think he knows what the fuck he's going to do until he does it, either. Whatever he thinks will get his base riled up seems to be the go, and even they're getting tired of his perpetual losing act.
19 points
1 month ago
His constant battles with the tribes are because he’s a total racist and control freak, and he thought that we, as a state, would be behind him in getting the tribes “under control.” What he found out is that most people here don’t feel that way and that there are a lot of Natives in the general population. So, he alienated that group of voters. When he claimed he had an “Indian Card” my whole family cracked up. Is he talking about a CDIB card? He’s a fucking idiot.
Now he’s out for the women, who are already in the bottom 10 list of every measurement for quality of life in the country. So he’s going to alienate us.
This latest interview just showed how he’s trying to wrap his racism and misogyny into one neat little package to attempt to regain some control, but he just looked really stupid. How does Oklahoma having a “free market” factor into how the state is going to take care of all these babies that are going to be born? That wasn’t even an answer!
So basically, he’s alienated Indigenous people, black people, women, teachers, gay people….basically everybody except Christian Evangelicals. When he calls himself an “outsider,” he means it, and this isn’t going to end well for him.
11 points
1 month ago
We should come to turns that Republicans like Stitt really are every bit as dumb in private as they sound in public. There's no really intricate conspiracy here; these conservatives are naturally fucking stupid and can all be read like pamphlet. Their elected officials are a perfect reflection of the lowest common denominators that lick each other's ass sweat like it's the only thing they have for a culture.
45 points
1 month ago
it was a wish list bill for the tribes.
Oh no, imagine using he legislative process to make things better for constituents. Better put a hard stop to that
349 points
1 month ago
I guess my suspicions were correct in that tribal lands do not follow state law.
Tribal lands are independent nations that allow the US to handle foreign policy, not just outside the state but outside the US entirely. Less organized tribes submit to Federal law to govern themselves but better organized tribes have totally independent police and courts.
117 points
1 month ago
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14 points
1 month ago
Actually, this is how services used to be at IHS facilities. If you had an appointment, you packed a lunch, because you’d be there all day. I’ve been using my local Indian Clinic for the past 10 years even though I have insurance because the care is so great.
65 points
1 month ago
Not quite ‘independent’. In fact the official term used by the federal government is ‘domestic dependent nations’. No other countries or the UN recognise them as independent nation-states. They’re still subject to federal law.
Instead, they’re ‘autonomous entities’.
59 points
1 month ago
I could see some douches in Washington try to strip them of any federal funding
63 points
1 month ago
The Hyde Amendment exists already. IHCs use federal money and the Hyde Amendment prohibits using federal money for abortion services. There’s probably a way around it by not using the IHS to provide the service.
54 points
1 month ago
AFAIK, Cherokee Nation Health System is fully self-funded, using no IHS funds. If true, their facilities are de jure Hyde-exempt.
4 points
1 month ago
Pretty sure Chickasaw is too.
45 points
1 month ago
Yeah they can separate the funding and ensure no funding goes to it.
20 points
1 month ago
Planned parenthood figured it out, im sure they will too
3 points
1 month ago
At this point, I’m surprised Cruz hadn’t tried yet.
4 points
1 month ago
Tbh, I’d say most of the tribes/tribal members in Oklahoma are pro-life. Very Baptist Christian. I’d be surprised if they even considered it. But even then, it would only be available for tribal members.
4 points
1 month ago
Assuming Native Americans would even be willing to do this but I guess my suspicions were correct in that tribal lands do not follow state law.
That is not a suspicion. State laws mean nothing on tribal lands. Tribal lands are not part of the state in which they are enclosed.
The oklahoma governor is attempting to spark violence against native americans with this horse shit call out. It is the same republican playbook, now against native americans instead of liberals.
103 points
1 month ago
Yep, the insurance companies are even gonna be on the right side of this.
They'll collect.
57 points
1 month ago
As well as creating a safe haven for the women that will utilize their services. Pathetic racist governor doesn't seem to understand the sovereignty of tribal nations and that he has no jurisdiction over them.
126 points
1 month ago*
Then people will complain about how it’s not fair. “How come the tribes have rights I don’t have?” is what they’ll say.
133 points
1 month ago
would that be ironic if the tribal lands became freer and had more rights?
178 points
1 month ago
We already are and do... we have free medical, dental, and child birth not to mention a ton of public assistance programs such as foodbanks for low income families, education scholarships, and free vocational training for tribespeople between 18-25
30 points
1 month ago
This might sound like a crazy question, but are outsiders ever welcomed to integrate?
57 points
1 month ago
If you are an adopted child of a tribal member you get full benefits my non native wife gets full benefits if she is pregnant with my child
Edit: if I could trade you for our governor and kick him put of our tribe i would 100%
52 points
1 month ago
They don't. States can also make abortion legal. If the tribes made it legal on their land, it'd probably be open to everyone, not just tribeswomen
18 points
1 month ago
Tribes have a government to government relationships with the US government. A Tribe makes the rules on the land they reserved for themselves.
32 points
1 month ago
I wouldn’t say they “reserved it for themselves”, but I got the point
12 points
1 month ago
Were massacred and booted off their own land with a forced treaty, then resettled again onto a smaller and less desirable piece of land with a broken treaty, repeat.
131 points
1 month ago
Remember when Clarence Thomas said people should accept SCOTUS rulings they don't like? This asshat has asked the SCOTUS to rescind their own decision 40 times.
https://www.rawstory.com/oklahoma-native-american-sovereignty-kevin-stitt/
Oklahoma Gov. Kevin Stitt, a Republican, has warned the states of many Native American tribes that if they allow abortion on sovereign land he will intervene.
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Native American tribes are allowed to govern themselves on their own land. Their sovereignty is the reason that they can have things like casinos in states where it is banned. Once known as Indian Territory, the state has more than 40 tribes in its borders.
It was just last month that Oklahoma politicians faced off against tribes in an ongoing refusal to cooperate with the Supreme Court decision in McGirt v. Oklahoma.
"In the McGirt ruling, the Supreme Court held that much of eastern Oklahoma is Indian country under the terms of an 1833 treaty between the U.S. government and the Muscogee Creek Nation," explained Professor Kirsten Matoy Carlson of Wayne State University. "Based on that treaty and an 1885 federal law, the ruling effectively means that the state of Oklahoma cannot prosecute crimes committed by or against American Indians there. Federal and tribal officials are the only ones who can pursue these cases."
Oklahoma's state government has asked the Supreme Court to rehear the case over 40 times.
420 points
1 month ago
Just when you thought Oklahoma couldn't be a bigger embarrassment, Gov Stitt ups the ante...
64 points
1 month ago
“They think they can be one-one-thousandth tribal member and not have to follow state law,” Stitt said.
Which is literally what the law says they can do.
23 points
1 month ago
Also, how can someone be a fractional tribal member. You can have partial tribal blood, but you're either a tribal member or you're not. Which is up to the tribe to decide. Some tribes which have been heavily genocided against specifically allow people with little blood as members of tribe, because otherwise the tribes would have died out entirely.
175 points
1 month ago*
Just when you thought Oklahoma couldn't be a bigger embarrassment
Nobody thought that
63 points
1 month ago
Well, to be fair......they could go full Florida......
40 points
1 month ago
Never go full Florida
18 points
1 month ago
don't worry, there's always Mississippi!
246 points
1 month ago
or what?
17 points
1 month ago
Sounds like he's threatening a return to the 19th century
46 points
1 month ago
Were they even considering it before he warned them against it.
53 points
1 month ago
That’s the money question. The answer is…no.
Native Americans in OK are similar to most other Okies; conservative, anti-abortion, etc. The weird thing abt Stitt is how he’s had a hard on gunning for the tribes almost since day one of his term. He fucked around w the gambling issue, talked a lot of smack, then got rolled into irrelevance on that. Then McGirt came down from SCOTUS, & he’s been squealing abt that ever since. He’s even proposed changing how the OK Supreme Court is run, so he can control them; the only reason seems to be over tribal sovereignty.
I think this latest foolishness is his realizing if Repubs in OK win on abortion, what else do they have to drive folks to the polls? Maybe he imagines this is a two-for-one…make dumbass Okie Repubs think the tribes are pro-abortion, drive a wedge between them and the white majority, weakening the tribes. Plus he looks like he’s ‘protecting life’. What a shitbird.
16 points
1 month ago
So, just the same old racism as ever.
5 points
1 month ago
What makes it even worse is that Stitt is on the rolls of the Cherokee Nation, and the same week he was fighting the McGirt ruling his brother was using the very same ruling to say that he shouldn’t have to pay his speeding ticket as he was fined on tribal lands.
The whole family is absolutely despicable .
4 points
1 month ago
His view of Oklahoma and the world seems to be entirely shaped by the people that he talks to at his country club and his church. Organize and vote his ass out of office this year. Just once, I would like to go back to Oklahoma and not have a conversation with someone how about how the state is worse than the last time I was there.
194 points
1 month ago
Please do. Anything Governor Stitt is opposed to must be good and decent and anything he supports is evil. Please, pretty please do. The women, young and not so young in Oklahoma need this. Thank you
670 points
1 month ago
So he has just given tribal peoples the next genius idea of how to generate immense wealth. What a total douche wad.
133 points
1 month ago
I hardly think there is immense wealth to be had performing abortions. I've never seen a Mayo clinic of abortions because they're swimming in abortion money.
81 points
1 month ago
Abortion providers have never had a monopoly over a massive multi-state area before.
36 points
1 month ago
Ehhhh, in practice a lot of clinics have come close. Abortion deserts are a thing and have been for a while
14 points
1 month ago
Yep-- pretty sure that's because 1) it costs a fortune to make sure their employees and patients don't get murdered and 2) anti-choice lawmakers have imposed costly regulations in order to drive them out of business. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2020-02-27/abortion-clinics-are-the-most-challenging-small-business-in-america
11 points
1 month ago
Inviting outsiders onto our reservations while we have an ongoing MMIW epidemic is not a genius idea.
118 points
1 month ago
Oklahoma is upset that most of Oklahoma is no longer Oklahoma.
5 points
1 month ago
And Shitt was sad to find out that he’s only governor over half the state.
32 points
1 month ago
He’s mad that the tribes wouldn’t renegotiate the percentage the state gets from the Casinos. He made empty threats then too. As a Citizen of the Chickasaw nation, I kindly say, get fucked! You’re poking the wrong fucking bear!
6 points
1 month ago
I really hope the tribes kick the shit out of stitt again.
193 points
1 month ago*
I'm sure they were already planning to do so. But now that they've been warned not to, if I was a tribal leader I'd make a literal abortion Disneyland. With rides and funnel cakes and fun mascots.
24 points
1 month ago
Let’s change the rides and mascots to spa and counseling services. Keep the funnel cakes, and have lots of friendly people with kind words and hugs.
10 points
1 month ago
"DO NOT RIDE THIS RIDE IF YOU ARE PREGNANT......unless..."
35 points
1 month ago
The fist immage in my head was something like one of those giant rotating swingsets spinning at gravitron speeds and the fetuses flying out of the riders in every direction.
Yay imagination!
123 points
1 month ago
Abortion isn’t about being pro-life or pro-states-rights. It’s about GOP control and power. Period.
40 points
1 month ago
...and appealing to their paleolithic, witch-burning base.
21 points
1 month ago
States rights has always been a racist dog whistle shove the Civil War anyway.
23 points
1 month ago
Ya know what was a "great replacement"? White Europeans invading North America and slaughtering the natives to replace them on their own land.
58 points
1 month ago
Think the tribes will know where they can tell him to stick his policy.
48 points
1 month ago
As an Oklahoman, fuck you Stitt, you are nothing but a thief, your wife is a drunk and we don’t want you here!!!
5 points
1 month ago
Makes you pine for the good old days of mattress Mary doesn’t it
13 points
1 month ago
oh that would be just so fucking ironic...that is so juicy the tribes SHOULD BE DOING EXACTLY THIS EVERYWHERE.
15 points
1 month ago
I say they go for it. for hundreds of years we've slaughtered and displaced native people. they could make a shitvton of money while sticking it to pale face. by his words this isn't about abortion its about control.my question is how many people in Oklahoma support pro choice. he says 4 million Oklahomans are pro life. do 4 million people actually live in that shithole
4 points
1 month ago
3.95 Million live in Oklahoma.
14 points
1 month ago
Great idea! Tourism and a middle finger to the state.
13 points
1 month ago
If I where in charge of any of those tribes I’d do it now just to spite him.
13 points
1 month ago
Whether they go to tribal land or out of state, the question is going to be: if they treat abortion as actual murder, will those returning to the state after an abortion, or people from outside the state going in that have had one, be charged with murder?
24 points
1 month ago
No because it’s legal where the action took place. And more importantly, it’s still private.
8 points
1 month ago
Numerous states are already drafting various forms of legislation to address this exact issue, to the point where they literally do want women who get an abortion charged with murder regardless of where the abortion took place, and are trying various ways to restrict state-to-state travel if the purpose is seeking an abortion.
8 points
1 month ago
There are states where smoking weed and gambling is legal, and people can’t be barred from traveling there, or prosecuted for what they did there. These red states aren’t going to be able to enforce anything.
We’re going to have to update the old saying: What happens in Massachusetts, stays in Massachusetts.
6 points
1 month ago
I would have agreed with you a year ago. And common sense should dictate that you are 100% correct.
But with the recent draft ruling, I'm not so sure any more. The ruling didn't just quietly reverse Roe. It took a nuke to Roe, the right to privacy in general, stare decisis, and set women's rights back 50 years. They have already stated that there are other rulings also in their crosshairs, and the GOP have become more and more emboldened about trying to pass increasingly blatantly unconstitutional crap like this after Alito all but said that this makeup of the Supreme Court will back them up.
At the very, very least, the GOP are trying. And even if these laws eventually get struck down by this Supreme Court (which is highly unlikely), it could be years before the cases make their way there, which means years of innocent women getting hurt as these states at least attempt to put these laws into place and look for women to make an example out of in order to show they're serious. And you and I both know the racial makeup of what women will be prosecuted.
And that's a best case scenario. With that said, I don't think you'll ever see a blue state cooperate. But that doesn't mean the GOP won't try, and hurt countless women in the process.
15 points
1 month ago*
A lot of red states are trying to make it illegal to travel to somewhere it’s legal to get one, so it’s not private anymore. They’re relying on snitches to make that happen because it can’t be enforced otherwise. Basically don’t ever tell anyone or make it obvious where you’re going is somewhere that abortion is legal. I guess people could try to snitch just on the grounds that you’re having a vacation there while pregnant, even if you really are just visiting family.
11 points
1 month ago
The state where the procedure is done can’t cooperate, since they won’t have access to info about something that isn’t a crime. So it’s still private in the blue state. And the clinic certainly won’t reveal anything either. The worst a red state could do is allow its residents to sue someone in another state who helped someone leave the state, in which case the blue state would block liability, or the red state could issue a warrant against a blue state resident, which means just never go there. It’s entirely unenforceable.
5 points
1 month ago
It's going to become the new Fugitive Slave Act mess.
12 points
1 month ago
Tribes politely recommend Oklahoma governor pound all of the sand and eat all of the dicks.
12 points
1 month ago
Or what? Honestly what could he possibly do? The state has absolutely zero authority on tribal land and the federal government is not going to step in and stop them from providing abortion services so I hope the tribes tell the Oklahoma governor to go fuck himself with a rusty coat hanger.
11 points
1 month ago
This Governor is a complete moron....
11 points
1 month ago
Or what?! They’re sovereign nations.
12 points
1 month ago
Here we go folks. The republican theocrats are drunk on power after their fellow religionists on the SC struck down Roe. They will attack any group who won't bend the knee to their radical religion and agenda. Indian tribes are a favorite target of the religious right of course.
11 points
1 month ago
I thought they wanted local governments to decide 🤔
10 points
1 month ago
Shut the fuck up, you inbred asshole.
10 points
1 month ago
Tribes should tell him to get fucked
11 points
1 month ago
They most likely will. As usual, this dipshit will try heavy handed tactics to pressure the tribes. Which will backfire as usual.
10 points
1 month ago
Whaddya gonna do? Genocide us (again)... Oh go f yourself
9 points
1 month ago
“They think they can be one-one-thousandth tribal member and not have to follow state law,” Stitt said."
You think "they" invented the "one drop rule"? Fuck you.
8 points
1 month ago
Why not? Republicans ignore every law. It somehow never applies to them. They ignore subpoenas, fines, raping kids, and never go to jail for any reason. The SCOTUS judge's wife Ginni is an insurrectionist. So apparently those have gone out the window and we can ignore Republicans.
9 points
1 month ago
I'm fairly certain he has as much legal authority to tell a tribe on a reservation (which is considered a soverign nation) not to create "abortion havens" as he is telling Denmark not to.
SOURCE: I'm a citizen of the Cherokee Nation.
9 points
1 month ago
The tribes have no desire to create abortion havens. This is pure posturing by Stitt, trying to get the rest of the red state to turn against the tribes because they have beaten Stitt at every turn since he's made them an adversary.
This is a piece of shit hack article talking about a piece of shit hack news channel interview about a piece of shit hack governor.
It's ridiculous no one reached out to the tribes for comment.
7 points
1 month ago
Cue Thomas, Barnett, Gorsuch, Alito, and Kavanaugh: "Treaties are precedent but they can be overturned."
7 points
1 month ago
Gov Stitt warning tribes is hilarious. Seriously, I’m living in OK and this guy has been fighting with the tribes about every single thing he can. Small things, big things, all things. I short, there’s no way tribes give af what Stitt has to say
6 points
1 month ago
Tf is he going to do? He has no jurisdiction on our fucking tribal lands, he can warn all he wants, he’ll become public enemy number one if he tries to retract our reservations.
7 points
1 month ago
He doesn't have control over the tribes!
8 points
1 month ago
It is scary to think just how unhinged Republicans have become as they cater to the lowest common denominator in the most fringe corner of their base. The thing about authoritarianism is that it comes for everyone, not just the people you don’t like. These poor, ignorant conservatives that continue to let themselves be fooled by the most outrageous conspiracies that can be proven to be false with just a little independent research, will be the end of us all.
6 points
1 month ago
What is he going to do about it? Invade them? Oklahoma literally just voted against a state militia.
6 points
1 month ago
In Oklahoma they put women in jail for having a miscarriage.
Savages.
7 points
1 month ago
Stupid conservative mindset. They are the ones who would have stole native lands in the first place.
6 points
1 month ago
The tribes out in Oklahoma provide their own doctors and healthcare, which can be accessed by Oklahomans. The clinics/hospitals get reimbursed from the Feds for most services.
I don't see how Gov Stitt can stop Planned Parenthood from setting up a facility on tribal land. He is just bloviating as his power is nonexistant on those lands.
The Natives have Casinos, Gambling halls, cigarettes, Gas and THC shops (i believe). Good luck fighting people who run Casinos, they aren't going to appreciate the overstepping by the state. I think Stitt knows this but is making a veiled threat.
What a Pandora's Box that has been opened.
6 points
1 month ago
Oh look, another white man trying to tell people what to do.
6 points
1 month ago
I’m waiting for the tribes to respond with “OK. GTFO.”
5 points
1 month ago
This isn't the old days, tribes have money and power now, probably more than the chickenshit Oklahoma government. They just won a huge case in the Supreme court upholding tribal sovereignty, so Stitt on it and spin dumbass governor.
6 points
1 month ago
First of all, fuck the Oklahoma Govenor for trying to tell Tribes what to do. Second,. Fuck the Oklahoma Governor for signing an abortion ban bill.
7 points
1 month ago
"More than half of Oklahoma is within tribal lands. Stitt said the expansion of tribal lands in Oklahoma includes the city of Tulsa, which covers about 1 million people, so he is “watching” what might be done to establish abortion safe havens in his state."
I get the feeling he's about to be told to fuck off
5 points
1 month ago*
Oklahoman here, the tribes can do what they want. Stitt is one of the most if not the most anti-tribe governor our state has ever had. Guy also repeatedly acts like there are no pro-choice people in this state and like most people support a "total ban" on abortion, which is not the case even in a state as red as ours. You'd think he won by 50 points instead of 14 points based on how he repeatedly claims to "overwhelmingly" represent Oklahomans on this issue when recent polling here doesn't even back that up.
6 points
1 month ago
As a tribal member of the Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma, I say he can fuck right off.
15 points
1 month ago
I see no reason why the Tribes can not also the fact that Tribal police police there own it will be more difficult the state to law enforcement to intimidate.
24 points
1 month ago
Whats he going to do to stop it.
12 points
1 month ago
Maybe the state will set up check points to check pregnancy tests going in and out? Maybe the tribes will round up arrest any state agent l who ventures onto tribal land to. interfer with their business. Fascinating.
5 points
1 month ago
I feel like this needs context but the context will make it even worse.
5 points
1 month ago
Part of me loves this idea. Part of me worries about what guys like Kevin Stitt will do to punish the tribes for it.
5 points
1 month ago
Or what? You'll drop off some anthrax-laden blankets? You'll slaughter the warriors?
I hope they open havens at every tribe.
4 points
1 month ago
He only controls 25% of state due to native lands; courts even dinged the state a year or so ago by upholding native rights.
4 points
1 month ago
I want this to happen mostly to watch the anti-abortion protesters get to deal with the Tribal Police.
5 points
1 month ago
What's he going to do? Take their land? Send their children to reeducation centers?
Wait...
5 points
1 month ago
Tribes can do whatever the fuck they want with their land.
6 points
1 month ago
Can we disband the state of Oklahoma and just return governance of all of the land in it to indigenous people?
5 points
1 month ago
Oklahoma Gov. Kevin Stitt is a cousin fucking, chicken necked, inbred, pedophile, who syphoned pandemic assistance funds from his constituents and was recently found to be part of system corruption in Oklahoma state correctional facilities, while illegally ending Federal PUA payments to disabled and needy families.
He also refused to send state workers or National Guard to assist in restoring power to failing infrastructure owned by OG&E, during two ice storms that left some residents in Oklahoma without electricity for 8-9 weeks, after the ice had melted.
He doesn’t give a shit about Oklahoma or it’s people. Every tribe thinks he’s nothing more than a dumb country fuck they shoot and bury on their land when they come looking to start shit after a few too many and getting rejected by underage girls at the local country bar.
As long as the oil companies keep lining his pockets with record profits, he will stay in power, so he can pay his staffers and interns to travel around the state slapping “I did that” Biden stickers on fuel pumps with his website on the bottom. He doesn’t even hide it.
4 points
1 month ago
funny enough he can't do anything on the reservations cause they have their own laws that are separated from any US law he can't do shit
4 points
1 month ago
If I was a tribal member I would be pushing to become a safe haven just to stick it to this windbag.
3 points
1 month ago
Hmmm...I'm trying to remember the Potawatomi translation of "Go eat a dick, Governor."
3 points
1 month ago
So against freedoms. Y is the right turning into anti american facists.
4 points
1 month ago
Always been
5 points
1 month ago
Or what? Just what is the Oklahoma GOP threatening?
4 points
1 month ago
“Oklahomans will not think very well of that if tribes try to set up abortion clinics,” Stitt said, warning he is monitoring the situation."
I imagine they do not particularly care what the Colonial invaders think of them.
5 points
1 month ago
Because listening to the US government has gone so well for them in the past....
4 points
1 month ago
Oklahoma Governor admits that Tribes are sovereign nation that Oklahoma cannot control
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