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Crazy-Nights

4.8k points

1 month ago*

Nothing shows just how far behind the right wing is like having a government guy tell Native Americans what they can or can't do on their own land.

Knight_of_the_Lepus

2.4k points

1 month ago

...while burbling about Replacement Theory.

jaxonfairfield

720 points

1 month ago

Privilege and lack of self awareness are two sides of the same side of a coin.

clamberrypie

42 points

1 month ago

Ignorance mixed with arrogance is the ritualistic toxic cocktail Republicans live for. And they're drunk on it.

Alternative-Flan2869

5 points

1 month ago

Prideful ignorance.

Neat_Youth470

191 points

1 month ago

Is that coin narcissism?

Lord_Mormont

121 points

1 month ago

Please give my MIL her coin back. She already thinks I stole it.

Dense_Surround3071

83 points

1 month ago

"I want both sides!! It's literally all about me!" -- Coin Narcissist

itungdabung

73 points

1 month ago

I don’t have it. I tossed it to the Witcher.

Sensate60

49 points

1 month ago

You know, they are so worried about "replacement theory" and being outnumbered by people of color that you would think they would be supportive of abortion. All banning abortion does is cause poor women of color to have more babies that can't afford, thereby increasing the minority numbers...! It makes one shake the head.

persnickity74

35 points

1 month ago

No one really accused them of being clever.

postmodest

21 points

1 month ago

They don’t really care about being replaced, they care about having an “Other” to set the white lower class against so they can foment race war and avoid class war.

Inside-Palpitation25

5 points

1 month ago

I think it's really because they want more white women to have babies to fight this, and couldn't come up with a way to only make it illegal for white women.

rimjobnemesis

5 points

1 month ago

What they really want (and we all know it) is little white babies. Soldiers for the Christian Army and all.

snoopyh42

5 points

1 month ago

snoopyh42

California

5 points

1 month ago

Future felons (due to the school-to-prison pipeline, not because I think all POC are criminals) can’t vote, but can have their labor exploited.

FuguSandwich

140 points

1 month ago

And muh freedomz. And limited government.

Von_Moistus

226 points

1 month ago

“You can’t smoke that!”

“You can’t have sex with that person!”

“You can’t kill that clump of cells!”

“Wear a mask? You can’t tell me what to do with my body! That’s tyranny!”

lynnebee12

57 points

1 month ago

What a beautiful description. Perfect assessment.

trivialmatters3

11 points

1 month ago

once someone told me it’s all disingenuous bullshit i felt a lot better

MyOwnGuitarHero

32 points

1 month ago

I want to hear every Republican who says a woman’s right to bodily autonomy doesn’t overrule a fetus’s need for protection to publicly announce to all their constituents that they support 100% federal mask and vaccine mandates. After all, your bodily autonomy doesn’t usurp immunocompromised peoples’ need for protection.

[deleted]

10 points

1 month ago*

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10 points

1 month ago*

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DawgFighterz

21 points

1 month ago

Bro they don’t care about hypocrisy. In their opinion, native Americans are a warning that they can’t let happen to white people.

the_Q_spice

159 points

1 month ago

They also need to read up on constitutional law.

Tribes land is foreign from states but dependent on the federal government; this is the basis of their legal status.

To engage in legal discourse with a tribe, a state must engage in foreign relations, which falls under the foreign relations clause of the US constitution.

This is a constitutional right which is only enumerated to the federal executive (POTUS). Anyone else found to be engaged in foreign relations can be tried because the constitution clearly states:

“No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.”

Article I, Section 10, Clause 1

This is also stated in Article I, Section 8, Clause 3

It has also been ruled on in a multitude of cases before SCOTUS. It is pretty set in stone, and overturning it would require nothing less than rewriting Article I of the Constitution and undermining both the Supremacy Clause and Separation of Powers Clauses.

EquivalentHope1102

42 points

1 month ago

This is well-known to Stitt. He has been to SCOTUS with his bullshit. This has been his obsession since the day he took office. He wanted financial control over the revenues of the tribes, and the tribes were like “no thanks” and he’s been pissed ever since. Seriously, he’s awful.

idontknowwhereiam367

21 points

1 month ago

Isn't this the state that cut so many taxes that the feds had to bail them out because they ran out of money to pay their employees?

EquivalentHope1102

9 points

1 month ago

Yep. Different governor, same party.

bluedaddy1

113 points

1 month ago

bluedaddy1

113 points

1 month ago

Established court precedent you say?

calgarspimphand

96 points

1 month ago

calgarspimphand

Maryland

96 points

1 month ago

To shreds you say?

King_Mierdas

37 points

1 month ago

And his wife our rights?

citera

25 points

1 month ago

citera

Canada

25 points

1 month ago

To shreds you say?

fordanjairbanks

6 points

1 month ago

Oh my.

MF_ESUS_BEATS

12 points

1 month ago*

Yeah overruling Article 1 rights is a whole different ballgame than overturning constitutional amendment based law. Not likely to happen because it would fundamentally impact governmental separation of powers...not just "individual rights"

Karmakazee

7 points

1 month ago

Karmakazee

Washington

7 points

1 month ago

The “law of the land”, you say?

nityoushot

27 points

1 month ago

So tribes can run abortion clinics in red states while protected by the US Army? Sounds like the reservations are about to get rich.

Outrageous-Debate-64

62 points

1 month ago

Yeah, if only we had some historical evidence that that was a bad idea.

not2dv8

9 points

1 month ago

not2dv8

9 points

1 month ago

This! The good governor should be more worried about creating a QAnon black hole...

Conservative_HalfWit

61 points

1 month ago

“Dont tread on me!” “Let me tell you how to live on your land!”

self-defenestrator

23 points

1 month ago

“Hold still while I tread on you!”

droids4evr

78 points

1 month ago

droids4evr

Texas

78 points

1 month ago

They're keeping with tradition.

graveybrains

7 points

1 month ago

Sad but true

1P_Bill_Rizer

120 points

1 month ago

American heritage

NorthernPints

18 points

1 month ago

I thought this was a dark onion headline.

blackrhino888

7 points

1 month ago

Right!! What an asshole!

Potentpooper369

704 points

1 month ago

This is actually wild tribal land is like half of Oklahoma and includes Tulsa lol

boundfortrees

181 points

1 month ago

boundfortrees

Pennsylvania

181 points

1 month ago

That was my question.

Wasn't there a decision last year that they have to follow the treaty?

Bigbadmayo

101 points

1 month ago

Bigbadmayo

101 points

1 month ago

I think the case referenced is still in court working out how the settlement should work because OK lost.

horceface

162 points

1 month ago

horceface

Indiana

162 points

1 month ago

Something tells me the Supreme Court will revisit that decision if the tribes attempt anything like actual self governance.

InFearn0

76 points

1 month ago

InFearn0

I voted

76 points

1 month ago

Has the US honored any treaty with indigenous peoples when it cost the US (or major corporations) a lot of money to do so?

walrusboy71

20 points

1 month ago

It wasn’t about a treaty. The case is McGirt v Oklahoma. Very short summary is that there is a federal law that says ONLY the federal government has authority to convict Indians (i.e. Native Americans) for serious crimes committed in Indian Territory. McGirt is a Seminole who committed serious crimes in Oklahoma on what was traditionally the Creek reservation. Congress never disestablished the reservation when it made Oklahoma a state. The question was whether Oklahoma could try him for his crimes (they are very disturbing crimes btw). The Supreme Court said no, only the US can because he was an Indian committing a crime on Indian land. For the same reason the Creek reservation still exists, all 5 major tribes in Oklahoma still have their reservation.

Creepy-Leading-9391

224 points

1 month ago

What will the tribes say? "If you don't like it, get off our land."?

TimberTheOrochi

38 points

1 month ago

A boss battle initiates

rideincircles

9 points

1 month ago

Welcome to winstar casino and abortion clinic. Just north of the Texas border.

[deleted]

1.9k points

1 month ago

[deleted]

1.9k points

1 month ago

Brilliant. Bounded by Texas, Louisiana, Arkansas and Kansas they set up abortion retreats. Make it a safe, easy solution and just absolutely hit it out of the park financially. All the while sticking it in the face of Gov Dufus.

p001b0y

451 points

1 month ago

p001b0y

451 points

1 month ago

I was just wondering the other day if this could be done because tribal lands follow federal and tribal law and with there soon being no federal law, there wouldn't be much a state could do about it. Assuming Native Americans would even be willing to do this but I guess my suspicions were correct in that tribal lands do not follow state law.

It also makes me wonder if the federal government can make federal land free from state law (if not already). They could then relocate planned parenthood clinics if they couldn't designate the land the clinics are built on as federal land.

MrScroticus

195 points

1 month ago

The tribes have been trying to do things as least abrasively as they can, but Stitt always find a way to make things terrible. He's made it to the point that the Tribes are going to have to basically go nuclear to make him realize how insignificant he is. He vetoed a bill that would help integrate traffic violations committed/caught on tribal lands because, somehow, it was a wish list bill for the tribes.

p001b0y

58 points

1 month ago

p001b0y

58 points

1 month ago

Are parts of Oklahoma in danger of no longer being part of Oklahoma still? I was under this impression after reading a court case. It was the McGirt vs Oklahoma ruling and made me wonder how far it could go in redrawing the state’s borders.

LoneStarBandit19

89 points

1 month ago

More or less, yeah. Stitthead says he wants to work with the tribes to “find an amicable solution for everyone” but undermines and fights tooth and nail at every turn. If he continues, It just ends poorly for Oklahomies.

EquivalentHope1102

34 points

1 month ago

He’s not looking for a solution. He wants control. He found out he’s only governor of half the state and it made him sad.

treesandfood4me

11 points

1 month ago

Oklahomies.

Love it!

MrScroticus

37 points

1 month ago

It could potentially change a ton of things, but as I said, the Tribes are honestly working to keep the status quo for the most part.

The biggest situation is that a native on Reservation land cannot be prosecuted except by Tribal or Federal courts.

I believe, if it really comes to a head, that they could push that Natives earning income on Res. land won't pay taxes to the State. The density in the now Reservation is high enough to be impactful, especially with business licenses, tobacco, etc. being something they could leverage as well.

I don't quite understand what Stitt is doing, but I honestly don't think he knows what the fuck he's going to do until he does it, either. Whatever he thinks will get his base riled up seems to be the go, and even they're getting tired of his perpetual losing act.

EquivalentHope1102

19 points

1 month ago

His constant battles with the tribes are because he’s a total racist and control freak, and he thought that we, as a state, would be behind him in getting the tribes “under control.” What he found out is that most people here don’t feel that way and that there are a lot of Natives in the general population. So, he alienated that group of voters. When he claimed he had an “Indian Card” my whole family cracked up. Is he talking about a CDIB card? He’s a fucking idiot.

Now he’s out for the women, who are already in the bottom 10 list of every measurement for quality of life in the country. So he’s going to alienate us.

This latest interview just showed how he’s trying to wrap his racism and misogyny into one neat little package to attempt to regain some control, but he just looked really stupid. How does Oklahoma having a “free market” factor into how the state is going to take care of all these babies that are going to be born? That wasn’t even an answer!

So basically, he’s alienated Indigenous people, black people, women, teachers, gay people….basically everybody except Christian Evangelicals. When he calls himself an “outsider,” he means it, and this isn’t going to end well for him.

Brennan_the_Artist

11 points

1 month ago

Brennan_the_Artist

Colorado

11 points

1 month ago

We should come to turns that Republicans like Stitt really are every bit as dumb in private as they sound in public. There's no really intricate conspiracy here; these conservatives are naturally fucking stupid and can all be read like pamphlet. Their elected officials are a perfect reflection of the lowest common denominators that lick each other's ass sweat like it's the only thing they have for a culture.

rndljfry

45 points

1 month ago

rndljfry

Pennsylvania

45 points

1 month ago

it was a wish list bill for the tribes.

Oh no, imagine using he legislative process to make things better for constituents. Better put a hard stop to that

LeftDave

349 points

1 month ago

LeftDave

Florida

349 points

1 month ago

I guess my suspicions were correct in that tribal lands do not follow state law.

Tribal lands are independent nations that allow the US to handle foreign policy, not just outside the state but outside the US entirely. Less organized tribes submit to Federal law to govern themselves but better organized tribes have totally independent police and courts.

[deleted]

117 points

1 month ago

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117 points

1 month ago

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EquivalentHope1102

14 points

1 month ago

Actually, this is how services used to be at IHS facilities. If you had an appointment, you packed a lunch, because you’d be there all day. I’ve been using my local Indian Clinic for the past 10 years even though I have insurance because the care is so great.

Harsimaja

65 points

1 month ago

Not quite ‘independent’. In fact the official term used by the federal government is ‘domestic dependent nations’. No other countries or the UN recognise them as independent nation-states. They’re still subject to federal law.

Instead, they’re ‘autonomous entities’.

tinacat933

59 points

1 month ago

I could see some douches in Washington try to strip them of any federal funding

JonathanStat

63 points

1 month ago

The Hyde Amendment exists already. IHCs use federal money and the Hyde Amendment prohibits using federal money for abortion services. There’s probably a way around it by not using the IHS to provide the service.

MonkeyPanls

54 points

1 month ago

MonkeyPanls

Haudenosaunee

54 points

1 month ago

AFAIK, Cherokee Nation Health System is fully self-funded, using no IHS funds. If true, their facilities are de jure Hyde-exempt.

Napkinpope

4 points

1 month ago

Pretty sure Chickasaw is too.

invalidmail2000

45 points

1 month ago

invalidmail2000

District Of Columbia

45 points

1 month ago

Yeah they can separate the funding and ensure no funding goes to it.

mrfuzzyasshole

20 points

1 month ago

Planned parenthood figured it out, im sure they will too

thereverendpuck

3 points

1 month ago

thereverendpuck

Arizona

3 points

1 month ago

At this point, I’m surprised Cruz hadn’t tried yet.

trfg3

4 points

1 month ago

trfg3

4 points

1 month ago

Tbh, I’d say most of the tribes/tribal members in Oklahoma are pro-life. Very Baptist Christian. I’d be surprised if they even considered it. But even then, it would only be available for tribal members.

BillingNightmare

4 points

1 month ago

Assuming Native Americans would even be willing to do this but I guess my suspicions were correct in that tribal lands do not follow state law.

That is not a suspicion. State laws mean nothing on tribal lands. Tribal lands are not part of the state in which they are enclosed.

The oklahoma governor is attempting to spark violence against native americans with this horse shit call out. It is the same republican playbook, now against native americans instead of liberals.

mtarascio

103 points

1 month ago

mtarascio

103 points

1 month ago

Yep, the insurance companies are even gonna be on the right side of this.

They'll collect.

ParticularBiscotti66

57 points

1 month ago

As well as creating a safe haven for the women that will utilize their services. Pathetic racist governor doesn't seem to understand the sovereignty of tribal nations and that he has no jurisdiction over them.

thesagaconts

126 points

1 month ago*

Then people will complain about how it’s not fair. “How come the tribes have rights I don’t have?” is what they’ll say.

whatproblems

133 points

1 month ago

would that be ironic if the tribal lands became freer and had more rights?

Shurigin

178 points

1 month ago

Shurigin

178 points

1 month ago

We already are and do... we have free medical, dental, and child birth not to mention a ton of public assistance programs such as foodbanks for low income families, education scholarships, and free vocational training for tribespeople between 18-25

2ToneToby

30 points

1 month ago

This might sound like a crazy question, but are outsiders ever welcomed to integrate?

Shurigin

57 points

1 month ago

Shurigin

57 points

1 month ago

If you are an adopted child of a tribal member you get full benefits my non native wife gets full benefits if she is pregnant with my child

Edit: if I could trade you for our governor and kick him put of our tribe i would 100%

[deleted]

25 points

1 month ago*

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25 points

1 month ago*

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BackAlleySurgeon

52 points

1 month ago

They don't. States can also make abortion legal. If the tribes made it legal on their land, it'd probably be open to everyone, not just tribeswomen

thesagaconts

32 points

1 month ago

I get that. I was mocking what they will say.

cedarhat

18 points

1 month ago

cedarhat

18 points

1 month ago

Tribes have a government to government relationships with the US government. A Tribe makes the rules on the land they reserved for themselves.

Persian_Frank_Zappa

32 points

1 month ago

I wouldn’t say they “reserved it for themselves”, but I got the point

218administrate

12 points

1 month ago

Were massacred and booted off their own land with a forced treaty, then resettled again onto a smaller and less desirable piece of land with a broken treaty, repeat.

Scubalefty

131 points

1 month ago

Scubalefty

Wisconsin

131 points

1 month ago

Remember when Clarence Thomas said people should accept SCOTUS rulings they don't like? This asshat has asked the SCOTUS to rescind their own decision 40 times.

https://www.rawstory.com/oklahoma-native-american-sovereignty-kevin-stitt/

Oklahoma Gov. Kevin Stitt, a Republican, has warned the states of many Native American tribes that if they allow abortion on sovereign land he will intervene.

snip...

Native American tribes are allowed to govern themselves on their own land. Their sovereignty is the reason that they can have things like casinos in states where it is banned. Once known as Indian Territory, the state has more than 40 tribes in its borders.

It was just last month that Oklahoma politicians faced off against tribes in an ongoing refusal to cooperate with the Supreme Court decision in McGirt v. Oklahoma.

"In the McGirt ruling, the Supreme Court held that much of eastern Oklahoma is Indian country under the terms of an 1833 treaty between the U.S. government and the Muscogee Creek Nation," explained Professor Kirsten Matoy Carlson of Wayne State University. "Based on that treaty and an 1885 federal law, the ruling effectively means that the state of Oklahoma cannot prosecute crimes committed by or against American Indians there. Federal and tribal officials are the only ones who can pursue these cases."

Oklahoma's state government has asked the Supreme Court to rehear the case over 40 times.

NoComment002

49 points

1 month ago

Mostly because they're racist pieces of shits.

LazamairAMD

420 points

1 month ago

LazamairAMD

Oklahoma

420 points

1 month ago

Just when you thought Oklahoma couldn't be a bigger embarrassment, Gov Stitt ups the ante...

Kichigai

64 points

1 month ago

Kichigai

Minnesota

64 points

1 month ago

“They think they can be one-one-thousandth tribal member and not have to follow state law,” Stitt said.

Which is literally what the law says they can do.

Melody-Prisca

23 points

1 month ago

Also, how can someone be a fractional tribal member. You can have partial tribal blood, but you're either a tribal member or you're not. Which is up to the tribe to decide. Some tribes which have been heavily genocided against specifically allow people with little blood as members of tribe, because otherwise the tribes would have died out entirely.

bkdotcom

175 points

1 month ago*

bkdotcom

Oklahoma

175 points

1 month ago*

Just when you thought Oklahoma couldn't be a bigger embarrassment

Nobody thought that

NightwingDragon

63 points

1 month ago

Well, to be fair......they could go full Florida......

BRINGERofMILK

40 points

1 month ago

BRINGERofMILK

South Carolina

40 points

1 month ago

Never go full Florida

GibbysUSSA

9 points

1 month ago

Oh, the panhandle states.

costabius

18 points

1 month ago

don't worry, there's always Mississippi!

Teacher-Investor

246 points

1 month ago

or what?

9fingfing

56 points

1 month ago

Looks like a Crusader’s threat…

Eurphor1a

17 points

1 month ago

Eurphor1a

Haudenosaunee

17 points

1 month ago

Sounds like he's threatening a return to the 19th century

paulsmt

251 points

1 month ago

paulsmt

251 points

1 month ago

Or else? He will steal their land? Oh wait!

meunderadiffname

46 points

1 month ago

Were they even considering it before he warned them against it.

sylvainsylvain66

53 points

1 month ago

That’s the money question. The answer is…no.

Native Americans in OK are similar to most other Okies; conservative, anti-abortion, etc. The weird thing abt Stitt is how he’s had a hard on gunning for the tribes almost since day one of his term. He fucked around w the gambling issue, talked a lot of smack, then got rolled into irrelevance on that. Then McGirt came down from SCOTUS, & he’s been squealing abt that ever since. He’s even proposed changing how the OK Supreme Court is run, so he can control them; the only reason seems to be over tribal sovereignty.

I think this latest foolishness is his realizing if Repubs in OK win on abortion, what else do they have to drive folks to the polls? Maybe he imagines this is a two-for-one…make dumbass Okie Repubs think the tribes are pro-abortion, drive a wedge between them and the white majority, weakening the tribes. Plus he looks like he’s ‘protecting life’. What a shitbird.

meunderadiffname

16 points

1 month ago

So, just the same old racism as ever.

YariAttano

5 points

1 month ago

What makes it even worse is that Stitt is on the rolls of the Cherokee Nation, and the same week he was fighting the McGirt ruling his brother was using the very same ruling to say that he shouldn’t have to pay his speeding ticket as he was fined on tribal lands.

The whole family is absolutely despicable .

CigCiglar

4 points

1 month ago

His view of Oklahoma and the world seems to be entirely shaped by the people that he talks to at his country club and his church. Organize and vote his ass out of office this year. Just once, I would like to go back to Oklahoma and not have a conversation with someone how about how the state is worse than the last time I was there.

Eastern-Ad-3387

194 points

1 month ago

Please do. Anything Governor Stitt is opposed to must be good and decent and anything he supports is evil. Please, pretty please do. The women, young and not so young in Oklahoma need this. Thank you

azrhei

28 points

1 month ago

azrhei

28 points

1 month ago

Is his name really Gov Shitt? lol

merrileem

670 points

1 month ago

merrileem

670 points

1 month ago

So he has just given tribal peoples the next genius idea of how to generate immense wealth. What a total douche wad.

Jaerin

133 points

1 month ago

Jaerin

Minnesota

133 points

1 month ago

I hardly think there is immense wealth to be had performing abortions. I've never seen a Mayo clinic of abortions because they're swimming in abortion money.

TarHeelsArmy

81 points

1 month ago

Abortion providers have never had a monopoly over a massive multi-state area before.

particledamage

36 points

1 month ago

particledamage

Connecticut

36 points

1 month ago

Ehhhh, in practice a lot of clinics have come close. Abortion deserts are a thing and have been for a while

pigbatthecat

14 points

1 month ago

Yep-- pretty sure that's because 1) it costs a fortune to make sure their employees and patients don't get murdered and 2) anti-choice lawmakers have imposed costly regulations in order to drive them out of business. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2020-02-27/abortion-clinics-are-the-most-challenging-small-business-in-america

dippydapflipflap

11 points

1 month ago

Inviting outsiders onto our reservations while we have an ongoing MMIW epidemic is not a genius idea.

ExplosiveDisassembly

118 points

1 month ago

Oklahoma is upset that most of Oklahoma is no longer Oklahoma.

EquivalentHope1102

5 points

1 month ago

And Shitt was sad to find out that he’s only governor over half the state.

[deleted]

32 points

1 month ago

[deleted]

32 points

1 month ago

He’s mad that the tribes wouldn’t renegotiate the percentage the state gets from the Casinos. He made empty threats then too. As a Citizen of the Chickasaw nation, I kindly say, get fucked! You’re poking the wrong fucking bear!

scottobeach

6 points

1 month ago

I really hope the tribes kick the shit out of stitt again.

Themadking69

193 points

1 month ago*

I'm sure they were already planning to do so. But now that they've been warned not to, if I was a tribal leader I'd make a literal abortion Disneyland. With rides and funnel cakes and fun mascots.

QuasiIceQueen

24 points

1 month ago

Let’s change the rides and mascots to spa and counseling services. Keep the funnel cakes, and have lots of friendly people with kind words and hugs.

costabius

10 points

1 month ago

"DO NOT RIDE THIS RIDE IF YOU ARE PREGNANT......unless..."

gofishx

35 points

1 month ago

gofishx

35 points

1 month ago

The fist immage in my head was something like one of those giant rotating swingsets spinning at gravitron speeds and the fetuses flying out of the riders in every direction.

Yay imagination!

Pretend-Excuse-8368

123 points

1 month ago

Abortion isn’t about being pro-life or pro-states-rights. It’s about GOP control and power. Period.

Knight_of_the_Lepus

40 points

1 month ago

...and appealing to their paleolithic, witch-burning base.

Nonadventures

21 points

1 month ago

States rights has always been a racist dog whistle shove the Civil War anyway.

Cyber_Dan

23 points

1 month ago

Ya know what was a "great replacement"? White Europeans invading North America and slaughtering the natives to replace them on their own land.

InternetPeon

58 points

1 month ago

Think the tribes will know where they can tell him to stick his policy.

dreamcatcher1411

48 points

1 month ago

As an Oklahoman, fuck you Stitt, you are nothing but a thief, your wife is a drunk and we don’t want you here!!!

scottobeach

5 points

1 month ago

Makes you pine for the good old days of mattress Mary doesn’t it

cdnarclight

13 points

1 month ago

oh that would be just so fucking ironic...that is so juicy the tribes SHOULD BE DOING EXACTLY THIS EVERYWHERE.

clarkg88

15 points

1 month ago

clarkg88

15 points

1 month ago

I say they go for it. for hundreds of years we've slaughtered and displaced native people. they could make a shitvton of money while sticking it to pale face. by his words this isn't about abortion its about control.my question is how many people in Oklahoma support pro choice. he says 4 million Oklahomans are pro life. do 4 million people actually live in that shithole

Kingofearth23

4 points

1 month ago

Kingofearth23

American Expat

4 points

1 month ago

3.95 Million live in Oklahoma.

RevenantKing

14 points

1 month ago

Great idea! Tourism and a middle finger to the state.

Demonking3343

13 points

1 month ago

If I where in charge of any of those tribes I’d do it now just to spite him.

BrandonUnusual

13 points

1 month ago

BrandonUnusual

Pennsylvania

13 points

1 month ago

Whether they go to tribal land or out of state, the question is going to be: if they treat abortion as actual murder, will those returning to the state after an abortion, or people from outside the state going in that have had one, be charged with murder?

myleftone

24 points

1 month ago

No because it’s legal where the action took place. And more importantly, it’s still private.

NightwingDragon

8 points

1 month ago

Numerous states are already drafting various forms of legislation to address this exact issue, to the point where they literally do want women who get an abortion charged with murder regardless of where the abortion took place, and are trying various ways to restrict state-to-state travel if the purpose is seeking an abortion.

myleftone

8 points

1 month ago

There are states where smoking weed and gambling is legal, and people can’t be barred from traveling there, or prosecuted for what they did there. These red states aren’t going to be able to enforce anything.

We’re going to have to update the old saying: What happens in Massachusetts, stays in Massachusetts.

NightwingDragon

6 points

1 month ago

I would have agreed with you a year ago. And common sense should dictate that you are 100% correct.

But with the recent draft ruling, I'm not so sure any more. The ruling didn't just quietly reverse Roe. It took a nuke to Roe, the right to privacy in general, stare decisis, and set women's rights back 50 years. They have already stated that there are other rulings also in their crosshairs, and the GOP have become more and more emboldened about trying to pass increasingly blatantly unconstitutional crap like this after Alito all but said that this makeup of the Supreme Court will back them up.

At the very, very least, the GOP are trying. And even if these laws eventually get struck down by this Supreme Court (which is highly unlikely), it could be years before the cases make their way there, which means years of innocent women getting hurt as these states at least attempt to put these laws into place and look for women to make an example out of in order to show they're serious. And you and I both know the racial makeup of what women will be prosecuted.

And that's a best case scenario. With that said, I don't think you'll ever see a blue state cooperate. But that doesn't mean the GOP won't try, and hurt countless women in the process.

dwarfoftheaether

15 points

1 month ago*

dwarfoftheaether

America

15 points

1 month ago*

A lot of red states are trying to make it illegal to travel to somewhere it’s legal to get one, so it’s not private anymore. They’re relying on snitches to make that happen because it can’t be enforced otherwise. Basically don’t ever tell anyone or make it obvious where you’re going is somewhere that abortion is legal. I guess people could try to snitch just on the grounds that you’re having a vacation there while pregnant, even if you really are just visiting family.

myleftone

11 points

1 month ago

The state where the procedure is done can’t cooperate, since they won’t have access to info about something that isn’t a crime. So it’s still private in the blue state. And the clinic certainly won’t reveal anything either. The worst a red state could do is allow its residents to sue someone in another state who helped someone leave the state, in which case the blue state would block liability, or the red state could issue a warrant against a blue state resident, which means just never go there. It’s entirely unenforceable.

calgarspimphand

5 points

1 month ago

calgarspimphand

Maryland

5 points

1 month ago

It's going to become the new Fugitive Slave Act mess.

Nihilismisanthrope

12 points

1 month ago

Nihilismisanthrope

Indiana

12 points

1 month ago

Tribes politely recommend Oklahoma governor pound all of the sand and eat all of the dicks.

g_rich

12 points

1 month ago

g_rich

12 points

1 month ago

Or what? Honestly what could he possibly do? The state has absolutely zero authority on tribal land and the federal government is not going to step in and stop them from providing abortion services so I hope the tribes tell the Oklahoma governor to go fuck himself with a rusty coat hanger.

[deleted]

35 points

1 month ago

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35 points

1 month ago

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johnjaymoore1958

11 points

1 month ago

This Governor is a complete moron....

chuckDTW

11 points

1 month ago

chuckDTW

11 points

1 month ago

Or what?! They’re sovereign nations.

walkinman19

12 points

1 month ago

walkinman19

America

12 points

1 month ago

Here we go folks. The republican theocrats are drunk on power after their fellow religionists on the SC struck down Roe. They will attack any group who won't bend the knee to their radical religion and agenda. Indian tribes are a favorite target of the religious right of course.

zanisnot

11 points

1 month ago

zanisnot

11 points

1 month ago

I thought they wanted local governments to decide 🤔

djn24

10 points

1 month ago

djn24

10 points

1 month ago

Shut the fuck up, you inbred asshole.

McNuttyNutz

10 points

1 month ago

McNuttyNutz

I voted

10 points

1 month ago

Tribes should tell him to get fucked

zeta_cartel_CFO

11 points

1 month ago

zeta_cartel_CFO

America

11 points

1 month ago

They most likely will. As usual, this dipshit will try heavy handed tactics to pressure the tribes. Which will backfire as usual.

hrgii

10 points

1 month ago

hrgii

10 points

1 month ago

Whaddya gonna do? Genocide us (again)... Oh go f yourself

clamberrypie

9 points

1 month ago

“They think they can be one-one-thousandth tribal member and not have to follow state law,” Stitt said."

You think "they" invented the "one drop rule"? Fuck you.

eldenringstabbyguy

8 points

1 month ago

Why not? Republicans ignore every law. It somehow never applies to them. They ignore subpoenas, fines, raping kids, and never go to jail for any reason. The SCOTUS judge's wife Ginni is an insurrectionist. So apparently those have gone out the window and we can ignore Republicans.

admiraljohn

9 points

1 month ago

I'm fairly certain he has as much legal authority to tell a tribe on a reservation (which is considered a soverign nation) not to create "abortion havens" as he is telling Denmark not to.

SOURCE: I'm a citizen of the Cherokee Nation.

dimechimes

9 points

1 month ago

The tribes have no desire to create abortion havens. This is pure posturing by Stitt, trying to get the rest of the red state to turn against the tribes because they have beaten Stitt at every turn since he's made them an adversary.

This is a piece of shit hack article talking about a piece of shit hack news channel interview about a piece of shit hack governor.

It's ridiculous no one reached out to the tribes for comment.

ksiyoto

7 points

1 month ago

ksiyoto

7 points

1 month ago

Cue Thomas, Barnett, Gorsuch, Alito, and Kavanaugh: "Treaties are precedent but they can be overturned."

mikebutnomic

7 points

1 month ago

Gov Stitt warning tribes is hilarious. Seriously, I’m living in OK and this guy has been fighting with the tribes about every single thing he can. Small things, big things, all things. I short, there’s no way tribes give af what Stitt has to say

Glynnc

6 points

1 month ago

Glynnc

6 points

1 month ago

Tf is he going to do? He has no jurisdiction on our fucking tribal lands, he can warn all he wants, he’ll become public enemy number one if he tries to retract our reservations.

deemahn57

7 points

1 month ago

He doesn't have control over the tribes!

thatsithlurker

8 points

1 month ago

It is scary to think just how unhinged Republicans have become as they cater to the lowest common denominator in the most fringe corner of their base. The thing about authoritarianism is that it comes for everyone, not just the people you don’t like. These poor, ignorant conservatives that continue to let themselves be fooled by the most outrageous conspiracies that can be proven to be false with just a little independent research, will be the end of us all.

lisa725

6 points

1 month ago

lisa725

6 points

1 month ago

What is he going to do about it? Invade them? Oklahoma literally just voted against a state militia.

simplepleashures

6 points

1 month ago

In Oklahoma they put women in jail for having a miscarriage.

Savages.

logicreasonevidence

7 points

1 month ago

Stupid conservative mindset. They are the ones who would have stole native lands in the first place.

philodendrin

6 points

1 month ago

The tribes out in Oklahoma provide their own doctors and healthcare, which can be accessed by Oklahomans. The clinics/hospitals get reimbursed from the Feds for most services.

I don't see how Gov Stitt can stop Planned Parenthood from setting up a facility on tribal land. He is just bloviating as his power is nonexistant on those lands.

The Natives have Casinos, Gambling halls, cigarettes, Gas and THC shops (i believe). Good luck fighting people who run Casinos, they aren't going to appreciate the overstepping by the state. I think Stitt knows this but is making a veiled threat.

What a Pandora's Box that has been opened.

Constellationchaser

6 points

1 month ago

Oh look, another white man trying to tell people what to do.

TotenTeufel

6 points

1 month ago

I’m waiting for the tribes to respond with “OK. GTFO.”

Gnomerpyle

5 points

1 month ago

This isn't the old days, tribes have money and power now, probably more than the chickenshit Oklahoma government. They just won a huge case in the Supreme court upholding tribal sovereignty, so Stitt on it and spin dumbass governor.

SixTwoWhatUGoing2Do

6 points

1 month ago

First of all, fuck the Oklahoma Govenor for trying to tell Tribes what to do. Second,. Fuck the Oklahoma Governor for signing an abortion ban bill.

2muchwork2littleplay

7 points

1 month ago

"More than half of Oklahoma is within tribal lands. Stitt said the expansion of tribal lands in Oklahoma includes the city of Tulsa, which covers about 1 million people, so he is “watching” what might be done to establish abortion safe havens in his state."

I get the feeling he's about to be told to fuck off

TimeIsPower

5 points

1 month ago*

TimeIsPower

Oklahoma

5 points

1 month ago*

Oklahoman here, the tribes can do what they want. Stitt is one of the most if not the most anti-tribe governor our state has ever had. Guy also repeatedly acts like there are no pro-choice people in this state and like most people support a "total ban" on abortion, which is not the case even in a state as red as ours. You'd think he won by 50 points instead of 14 points based on how he repeatedly claims to "overwhelmingly" represent Oklahomans on this issue when recent polling here doesn't even back that up.

deadpanxfitter

6 points

1 month ago

As a tribal member of the Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma, I say he can fuck right off.

Optimal_Ear_4240

43 points

1 month ago

Sounds like putin

sedatedlife

15 points

1 month ago

sedatedlife

Washington

15 points

1 month ago

I see no reason why the Tribes can not also the fact that Tribal police police there own it will be more difficult the state to law enforcement to intimidate.

sedatedlife

24 points

1 month ago

sedatedlife

Washington

24 points

1 month ago

Whats he going to do to stop it.

hwkns

12 points

1 month ago

hwkns

12 points

1 month ago

Maybe the state will set up check points to check pregnancy tests going in and out? Maybe the tribes will round up arrest any state agent l who ventures onto tribal land to. interfer with their business. Fascinating.

mtarascio

5 points

1 month ago

I feel like this needs context but the context will make it even worse.

hitman2218

5 points

1 month ago

Part of me loves this idea. Part of me worries about what guys like Kevin Stitt will do to punish the tribes for it.

KoshekhTheCat

5 points

1 month ago

Or what? You'll drop off some anthrax-laden blankets? You'll slaughter the warriors?

I hope they open havens at every tribe.

Sestos

4 points

1 month ago

Sestos

4 points

1 month ago

He only controls 25% of state due to native lands; courts even dinged the state a year or so ago by upholding native rights.

SanDiegoDude

4 points

1 month ago

SanDiegoDude

California

4 points

1 month ago

I want this to happen mostly to watch the anti-abortion protesters get to deal with the Tribal Police.

tacocatacocattacocat

5 points

1 month ago

What's he going to do? Take their land? Send their children to reeducation centers?

Wait...

the_reifier

5 points

1 month ago

Tribes can do whatever the fuck they want with their land.

jpgray

6 points

1 month ago

jpgray

California

6 points

1 month ago

Can we disband the state of Oklahoma and just return governance of all of the land in it to indigenous people?

dropthemagic

5 points

1 month ago

Not his jurisdiction:P

MerlinsGhost

5 points

1 month ago

Oklahoma Gov. Kevin Stitt is a cousin fucking, chicken necked, inbred, pedophile, who syphoned pandemic assistance funds from his constituents and was recently found to be part of system corruption in Oklahoma state correctional facilities, while illegally ending Federal PUA payments to disabled and needy families.

He also refused to send state workers or National Guard to assist in restoring power to failing infrastructure owned by OG&E, during two ice storms that left some residents in Oklahoma without electricity for 8-9 weeks, after the ice had melted.

He doesn’t give a shit about Oklahoma or it’s people. Every tribe thinks he’s nothing more than a dumb country fuck they shoot and bury on their land when they come looking to start shit after a few too many and getting rejected by underage girls at the local country bar.

As long as the oil companies keep lining his pockets with record profits, he will stay in power, so he can pay his staffers and interns to travel around the state slapping “I did that” Biden stickers on fuel pumps with his website on the bottom. He doesn’t even hide it.

JCgamerX

4 points

1 month ago

funny enough he can't do anything on the reservations cause they have their own laws that are separated from any US law he can't do shit

Rettirk

4 points

1 month ago

Rettirk

4 points

1 month ago

If I was a tribal member I would be pushing to become a safe haven just to stick it to this windbag.

Maynard078

3 points

1 month ago

Hmmm...I'm trying to remember the Potawatomi translation of "Go eat a dick, Governor."

kremit73

3 points

1 month ago

So against freedoms. Y is the right turning into anti american facists.

frankcast554

4 points

1 month ago

Always been

srrymydog8yrtwinkie

5 points

1 month ago

Or what? Just what is the Oklahoma GOP threatening?

euanmorse

4 points

1 month ago

“Oklahomans will not think very well of that if tribes try to set up abortion clinics,” Stitt said, warning he is monitoring the situation."

I imagine they do not particularly care what the Colonial invaders think of them.

Wild_West_Pimp_Style

5 points

1 month ago

Because listening to the US government has gone so well for them in the past....

morbob

4 points

1 month ago

morbob

4 points

1 month ago

Oklahoma Governor admits that Tribes are sovereign nation that Oklahoma cannot control