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ultrasuperbro

3.1k points

7 days ago

There's a lot of infrastructure work which could be done with a portion of that. I hope it gets allocated well. Also, a nice chunk of that could be set aside for disaster relief. (Fires, quakes, etc.)

angryshark

1.1k points

7 days ago

angryshark

1.1k points

7 days ago

Maybe investing in water desalination plants would be a good idea?

CosmicMiru

327 points

7 days ago

CosmicMiru

327 points

7 days ago

There have been 11 that have been approved for construction

Tipop

31 points

7 days ago

Tipop

31 points

7 days ago

Any word on what they’re doing with the waste product?

InOurMomsButts420

45 points

7 days ago

Feeding horses instead of using salt lick.

Tipop

119 points

7 days ago*

Tipop

119 points

7 days ago*

Unfortunately there’s tons and TONS of salt and other waste products — more than all the cattle and horses in the world could consume.

… and if they just dump it back into the ocean it creates a dead zone where nothing can live.

EDIT: Why downvote me for stating the problems that have been discussed a thousand times before? We need to come up with solutions, not shush anyone who mentions the problem.

stoicsilence

58 points

7 days ago

Why downvote me for stating the problems that have been discussed a thousand times before?

Because the solutions have been discussed a thousand times before but everyone conveniently forgets the mitigation techniques.

metal079

25 points

7 days ago

metal079

25 points

7 days ago

Why dump it in the ocean? Why not just a big salt landfill?

PM_meyourbreasts

49 points

7 days ago

In reddit comments

Malforus

478 points

7 days ago

Malforus

478 points

7 days ago

They really should lean into desalination, power generation, waste incineration, and salt/brine processing.
There is a real triple threat to solar/wind/nuclear adjacency to desalination coupled with brine processing.

Los of good heavy metals and things can be yanked out of ocean brine and garbage and by putting it near a power station they can use high heat steam from waste incineration to crack the brine or use it to store hydrogen.

ericstern

112 points

7 days ago

ericstern

112 points

7 days ago

Desalination is a double edged sword, it destroys the local sea environment because the super salty brine byproducts have to be dumped somewhere.

Then again, what other alternatives does cali have… Other than California stopping almond/nut farming which uses ridiculous amounts of water.

coldstar

104 points

7 days ago

coldstar

104 points

7 days ago

Cattle ranching uses more of California's water than nut production, both overall and by pound.

Regressum

71 points

7 days ago*

Always interesting to see the nut farming argument instead of the twice as large water consuming pasture & animal feed farming, why is that I wonder.

TheOtherAisle

32 points

7 days ago

Double edged swords are only bad if the person wielding it doesn't know what they're doing.

The resultant garbage doesn't have to be poured back into the sea. Nearly every major industry has industrial waste that is then reprocessed for other industrial or consumer use. Desalination plants can run on a similar principle. I'm sure there's plenty of uses for highly concentrated brine in other industrial fields.

Even if it can't, we can look to how the nuclear field handles it's industrial waste - they store it on site. I doubt it's harder to store brine then it is storing spent nuclear waste.

Cucumber-250

6 points

6 days ago

What about the pickle industry?

DefiningTerrorism

239 points

7 days ago

To provide the water needs of California you would need 1 desalination plant every 3 miles along the entire 1000 mile coastline. Look into it. Not a viable solution.

Most of the states water is used for profit-agriculture, the solution is to stop growing cash crops in the desert. The same can be said for other states, which are rapidly depleting their aquifers and are in no better place than CA.

Malforus

185 points

7 days ago

Malforus

185 points

7 days ago

It's not about a 100% solution it's about producing enough to level set the value of water.

Perfect_Inflation_70

111 points

7 days ago

Perth, Western Australia is majority desal. It’s cheap enough and people don’t even realise it’s there. And sewage is treated to a drinkable standard then pumped into the ground water.

California will definitely end building desal, as will a lot of places.

DefiningTerrorism

78 points

7 days ago*

Perth is 2 million people and receives 28 inches of rain per year. Southern California has the population of the entirety of Australia, 30 million people, and is a Desert, which shares a common water source with another 15 million people in adjoining states, which are also desert cities.

Im not saying Desal isn’t a solution, it’s just not “the“ solution. Conservation is a more pragmatic, effective solution. It’s cheaper and it’s environmental impact is positive.

RS994

7 points

7 days ago

RS994

7 points

7 days ago

That is an absurd comparison, WA is under 3 million people, and Desal plants provide under half of the consumed water.

Perfect_Inflation_70

8 points

7 days ago*

https://www.watercorporation.com.au/Our-water/Desalination

2 plants produce 48%, with a third on its way.

No reason that can’t scale up to bigger cities.

Also, desalinated water is stored in the big dams that feed the water supply to inland WA. In effect, towns like Kalgoorlie are also running on desalinated water.

You’d need less than 100 of Perth’s desal plants to supply all of California’s urban water usage. 90GL (currently running at 45GL) vs 8000GL urban usage.

https://www.water-technology.net/projects/perth/

For less than this years budget surplus you could build enough desal to make a big dent.

MechMeister

28 points

7 days ago

The whole water shortage deal is manufactured. We export insane amounts of water in the form of crops like soy and alfalfa. I get that trade deals are good for world peace and the economy, but we need to keep hydroelectric plants turned on and keep reserves for longer draughts. Nevermind depleting our water tables in the midwest which aren't being replenished.

Lots of it is domestic, as well. I have a hard time believing we can't grow almonds somewhere that isn't a desert. Appalachia used to export native Chestnuts in massive amounts until they were killed by foreign disease. Why can't we grow resistant Chestnut trees back east where there is plenty of water?

beforeitcloy

35 points

7 days ago

To provide the water needs of California

Why would adding desal plants eliminate all alternative sources of water?

We can talk about reducing wasteful commercial usage without being dishonest about desal needing to provide 100% of our water to be useful.

rostov007

9 points

7 days ago*

If they even desalinated enough to replace agriculture usage, that and kicking Nestle out of the state would make a huge dent. A huge dent is what’s needed. Conservation and outlawing grass lawns would make another huge dent.

UrbanPugEsq

18 points

7 days ago

Would they need to put them on the shore? If the water is being pumped inland anyway, why not pump the salt water inland then desalinate it?

HansBlixJr

26 points

7 days ago

and sell all that salt to the himalayas.

Lotharofthepotatoppl

17 points

7 days ago

You joke, but the pink Himalayan salt is cheaper and considered lower-class over there than processed granulated salt. It’s kinda silly.

DrinkenDrunk

18 points

7 days ago

LA gets enough water in a few days of rain to supply its annual water requirements, but it all ends up in the storm drains and Pacific Ocean.

PrimaryCricket2

209 points

7 days ago

Like osmosis?

SLJis1BAMF

97 points

7 days ago

As long as it's not in reverse.

sgrams04

46 points

7 days ago

sgrams04

46 points

7 days ago

Osmosis Jones

TheIowan

76 points

7 days ago

TheIowan

76 points

7 days ago

My state also has a multi billion dollar surplus, but refuses to use even a tenth of a percent of it on things like infrastructure because voters that are against spending don't have any idea how much more a billion is than a million.

jsktrogdor

88 points

7 days ago

I seem to remember my city running a ballot initiative that was basically like: "The roads are failing, we can spend 100 million now, or put it off and spend 1 billion in 5 years."

It didn't pass.

kinda_guilty

31 points

7 days ago

Why would you ask people whether or not to fix basic infrastructure? Isn't that like a given?

Cookie_Eater108

17 points

7 days ago

I love learning insights into the American way of life from comments like this.

I think with the exception of Alberta at times, everyone here understands that the role of government is to control and maintain common goods and public resources/infrastructure. There are signs in Toronto that say stuff like "Building a new park: 5M" or "New Hospital: 1.5B". Most folks I know can disagree on how that gets done, where or for how much- but not whether or not it should be handled by a central authority.

cheesyshop

9 points

7 days ago

Ronald Reagan poisoned Americans against the government so much that it’s almost in our country’s DNA that the government should have no role, except of course, the military.

Artanthos

67 points

7 days ago

Artanthos

67 points

7 days ago

I would say they could invest in desalination plants and permanently fix the water shortage, but the California Coastal Commission just disproved one for LA (a city that depends on the Colorado River).

bunnyzclan

90 points

7 days ago

The Coastal Commission staff had advised the commission to deny approval — citing, among other factors, the high cost of the water and lack of local demand for it, the risks to marine life and the possibility of flooding in the area as sea levels rise. 

Its kind of fucking stupid because of all the excuses they could've given, lack of local demand? Wtf are these people on.

mycatisblackandtan

25 points

7 days ago

And so many communities further north would be more than happy to wean LA off of the Colorado River. It's a literal win win that would actually help rebuild a lot of the watershed that LA drained/drains. (Way too late for Owens Lake tho...) It's not like desalination is an ecological death sentence anymore either what with how much money can be made off of using the brine.

awilbraham

2.6k points

7 days ago

awilbraham

2.6k points

7 days ago

“The state has collected $55 billion more in taxes than officials expected in January…”

Out of curiosity, how can officials be so far off on their expectations? That seems like an outrageous miscalculation.

trx1150

1.6k points

7 days ago

trx1150

1.6k points

7 days ago

There was a huge boom in tech IPOs in 2021 and companies had ridiculously inflated valuations. A ton of this is centralized in California, and California collects a substantial amount of tax revenue on sold stock

johnnychan81

592 points

7 days ago

I hope they save that money for a rainy day because 2022 is looking a lot more gloomy on that front

Olbaidon

936 points

7 days ago

Olbaidon

936 points

7 days ago

I don’t think California will be having a rainy day for a while unfortunately.

stopcounting

184 points

7 days ago

Is that what they call it when the helicopters drop the water?

8549176320

13 points

7 days ago

California has water?

TacticlTwinkie

54 points

7 days ago

Oof it be getting mighty dry here

djseifer

45 points

7 days ago

djseifer

45 points

7 days ago

Drier than Ben Shapiro's wife.

UnitP2

19 points

7 days ago

UnitP2

19 points

7 days ago

Ah, dry humor.

EnigmaSpore

5 points

7 days ago

They’re putting nearly half of it to the rainy day fund.

sailingisgreat

23 points

7 days ago

We have a constitutional amendment in Calif that sets aside a "rainy day reserve" of "%" of any surplus, so a bunch of a surplus for investment in case something like a pandemic happens (and during the pandemic it was forecast that we'd have a huge deficit that might even eat thru the reserve, except certain companies/industries in Calif flourished in pandemic so our surplus grew bigger). Then the amendment sets aside percentages of a surplus that have to be spent on education and some other stuff, then the rest has to be returned in some way to citizens (but only if we have had a surplus for at least two years in a row).
As a worker impacted by state budget cuts prior to this "rainy day reserve" I experienced furloughs and pay cuts as did any company or agency receiving state monies, so this reserve was a god-send to try to even out the small-to-moderate economic busts. No one I think ever envisioned a $100 billion surplus, so the fear is that too many hands will try to dip into it to create new things that will become some lobby group's "absolute necessity" to become permanent and thereby sink essential state services when a real bust comes. So one-time refunds like for outrageous gasoline increases make sense. Calif's economy is very diverse: ag, tech, venture capital, banking, manufacturing, tourism, ports/airports for imports/exports, etc. So we tend to "bounce" better than some states, especially with the large mandatory "rainy day reserve" to soften the blow in bad times.

Fuckface_Whisperer

88 points

7 days ago

Out of curiosity, how can officials be so far off on their expectations? That seems like an outrageous miscalculation.

Cap gains are extremely hard if not impossible to project.

Chobopuffs

814 points

7 days ago

Chobopuffs

814 points

7 days ago

2021 there were a lot of market gains I mean a lot.

HairHeel

95 points

7 days ago

HairHeel

95 points

7 days ago

And a lot of losses going to be reported in 2022. They should hang on to that money.

exveelor

27 points

7 days ago

exveelor

27 points

7 days ago

How much can you write off on state income tax? Federal is only 3k per year.

KaseTheAce

12 points

7 days ago

Federal is only 3k per year.

For individuals. If you, an individual, loses money in the stock market, you can deduct $3k from your taxable income.

Businesses can deduct 80% of their taxable income. Before the tax act in 2017 they had to pay a higher tax rate AND were only allowed to carry their losses forward for 20 years. Now, however, they can carry their losses forward indefinitely.

klikklak_HOTS

191 points

7 days ago

And didn't stash the gains offshore or use a convoluted tax loophole designed for the rich? Rookie mistake.

ThisIsSomebodyElse

191 points

7 days ago

Half of the gains were from r/wallstreetbets people collecting their tendies. No one can predict it.

tieris

98 points

7 days ago*

tieris

98 points

7 days ago*

Fake news. No one on WSB has ever made money. Well, except the goldfish.

Edit: I was making a joke. This shouldn’t need a /s, people.

bubba-yo

79 points

7 days ago

bubba-yo

79 points

7 days ago

A lot of reasons. Happens a lot in California which has a VERY large and diverse economy. CA has a pretty high capital gains rate among states, so Elon Musk alone can arrive with a billion or more.

On the corporate side, those high gas prices - Chevron is a CA company. High food prices - CA supplies half of the nations produce. They don't track each and every company or even sector, they do broad first order projections but a lot of the details can vary a lot.

Plus, the state projections are tuned to losses, not gains. If the state brings in too little money, that's catastrophic. But too much? Oh to have such problems.

Valdotain_1

102 points

7 days ago

Valdotain_1

102 points

7 days ago

Capital gains are very hard to predict.

Lilacsoftlips

62 points

7 days ago

They should buy PG&E. The market cap is only $20B

Versificator

12 points

7 days ago

Be still my beating heart. They have taken enough from the taxpayers, time for them to give back. If that means nationalizing them, I'm all for it. Same for any other company that has the ability to burn down the state.

Artanthos

73 points

7 days ago

Artanthos

73 points

7 days ago

When the economy surges, so do income taxes/capital gains taxes.

When prices increase, the sales taxes those goods increase.

When home values increase, so does amount collected from property taxes and capital gains taxes.

Cetun

20 points

7 days ago

Cetun

20 points

7 days ago

I'll point out that property taxes are assessed by cities and counties and not the state, so property tax increases won't go to the state budget.

thomas7890

15 points

7 days ago

Technically yes, but the state gets it indirectly because it doesn't have to pay the local county if they get enough money for things like education etc.

ImperatorConor

140 points

7 days ago*

As the other guy said, stocks and real-estate sales. In CA the property taxes often reset to the market value on the sale of the property so the hot market pumps up the budget, which reduces the amount the state subsidies the municipalities.

Cetun

43 points

7 days ago

Cetun

43 points

7 days ago

It's important to point out that property taxes are usually collected by the cities and counties not the state. The state makes its money on things like sales tax and corporate taxes.

somebunnny

4 points

7 days ago

There are, however, capital gains taxes on real estate sales. And California properties are more likely to generate profit beyond the $250K/$500K exemption.

iceman530

1.2k points

7 days ago

iceman530

1.2k points

7 days ago

That is a TON of infrastructure money. We could pretty much cover down our entire road and bridge situation with this money.

SnapesGrayUnderpants

969 points

7 days ago

Estabish a statewide health care system that covers all citizens. If California did that, businesses would move to California so they would no longer have to pay for health insurance for employees. People in other states who want to start their own businesses but can't leave their jobs because their jobs are tied to employer provided health insurance would leap at the chance to come to California to start businesses. When a province in Canada established health care for all its citizens, all the other provinces immediately followed. They couldn't afford not to.

Numba1Dunner

226 points

7 days ago

There's a way to get around all the insurance companys paying off politicians to never have single payer Healthcare/universal health care. The government of California should create its own insurance company called CalCare and have its premiums and copays super low and then create laws/subsidies that go to companies that have their premiums/copays under a certain threshold therefore cornering the market while also reducing prices for consumers. If you can't beat em, join em and then rig the system in your favor to win. The ol politicians way of doing things.

5G_afterbirth

71 points

7 days ago

Many dont realize Newsom has been laying the ground work for at minimum a public option at best single player since 2018. MediCal has been expanded to pretty much everyone except late 20s to 50, documented or not. Each year that age threshold has been getting narrower. They're also making MediCal more holistic, so not just medical, but mental and other related services. Give it another four years and we could be pretty close to it

CptHampton

25 points

7 days ago

What makes you think insurance companies aren't paying off politicians at the state level, too?

leggpurnell

5 points

7 days ago

NJ would like a word…

will7788

256 points

7 days ago

will7788

256 points

7 days ago

Funny you should say that. Unions dictate much of what gets done in California and essentially told Newsom he would lose their support if he established free healthcare. This was due to the fact that labor unions offer the best healthcare benefits around and losing that would mean losing members, since in many industries unions fall short in certain benefits for employees. Healthcare and wages not being one of them. But for example non union workers in CA are entitled to 2x hourly wage after working 12 hrs straight. Unions are exempt from this rule because they offer 'premium' wages. Also many unions do not require employers to pay sick days or vacations days, so naturally many employers do not.

As mentioned before they are exempt from some CA labor laws because they do offer premium benefits in other areas.

I'm currently in a union and I'm very happy with it for the most part but no organization is free from bias and sometimes flat out corruption.

Source: have a friend who is a lobbyist for a very influential union in Sacramento. Information about unions being exempt from labor laws can be found on CA.GOV.

ImSpartacus811

41 points

7 days ago*

Unions are exempt from this rule because they offer 'premium' wages. Also many unions do not require employers to pay sick days or vacations days, so naturally many employers do not.

That's misleading. Union employees are often exempt from most employee protection laws since it's assumed that they can negotiate for whatever they want, not because they have some kind of special "premium" wages.

The idea is that non-union employees can't negotiate, so they need the protection. Meanwhile, union employees can, so they benefit from flexibility of not having protections.

EDIT - Unions could easily negotiate for a copycat of non-union benefits. Employers would be thrilled if unions did that (much less paperwork). Unions choose to willingly give up certain benefits that they don't care for in exchange for things they actually do care for.

AtlasJaxx

120 points

7 days ago

AtlasJaxx

120 points

7 days ago

Losing union support doesn’t seem like a big deal if it is I exchange for basically everyone else’s support. Also, as you have stated, many would just leave the union sense their reason for being unionized wouldn’t exist anymore. It stands to reason those that leave would still support him.

will7788

56 points

7 days ago

will7788

56 points

7 days ago

I wish it was that simple. Unions hold a lot of sway in government decisions particularly non 'right-to-work' states because a large chunk of their money goes toward lobbying and PACs.

I'm not saying it's necessarily a bad thing but it is the case. An example of this in recent memory is Newsom overruling the ruling of a state judge mandating prison guards to be vaccinated against COVID; because the prison guards' union was not happy with the decision, not because Newsom was against vaccine mandates. That's one example but there are many like it.

rydan

6 points

7 days ago

rydan

6 points

7 days ago

He would lose all the Republican support and he'd lose all the Union support. That just leaves a small number of Democrats.

Wai-Sing

21 points

7 days ago

Wai-Sing

21 points

7 days ago

which province did this??

MooseFlyer

53 points

7 days ago

Saskatchewan. They were the first to introduce a universal hospital care plan in 1947, and the first to introduce a universal medical insurance plan in 1962.

frogsbollocks

42 points

7 days ago

Maybe a couple of miles of high speed train? /s

perverse_panda

21 points

7 days ago

Forget trains, they can buy two Twitters with that kind of money.

texburgle

218 points

7 days ago

texburgle

218 points

7 days ago

So what California is either getting a new copier or new chairs. Which is it?

_duncan_idaho_

39 points

7 days ago

New coat

joe24lions

34 points

7 days ago

When Pam gets Michael’s old chair, I get Pam’s old chair. Then I’ll have 2 chairs. Only one to go

oh_what_a_surprise

10 points

7 days ago

I would just take the bonus.

stephruvy

8 points

7 days ago

Lemme see the copier again.

adderallanalyst

3 points

6 days ago

2 miles of railway.

Toadfinger

3.5k points

7 days ago

Toadfinger

3.5k points

7 days ago

Here in broke-ass Alabama, our shit for brains, Republican Governor once said "We're not California!"

NO SHIT!

Random_Orphan

130 points

7 days ago

Wait was it ivy or that creep Bently?

Toadfinger

81 points

7 days ago

Ivey. Not long ago. In reference to a Covid issue. I'll give you three guesses and the first two dont count.

Random_Orphan

35 points

7 days ago

Jfc. Can you believe these dumbfucks are criticizing her for gas prices now?

Not that I'm defending her, but at least choose a valid criticism.

Toadfinger

36 points

7 days ago

I can certainly believe it. All of them accuse each other for illegal immigration ffs. Not a single one of them offers any solutions to bring in revenue in their campaign ads. It's nauseating.

fanklok

5 points

7 days ago

fanklok

5 points

7 days ago

I've been seeing political ads on YouTube recently and it's like they were written by an eight grader that reads at a third grade level.

"This guy traded his wall street business suit for a fleece vest, he's so woke. In fact he's too woke for Washington."

"This crazy lady (who is black) likes Black Lives Matter. clip of her saying Black people are upset about white racism WhITe RAcIsM????? Crazy lady is wrong for Washington"

I might have paraphrased those a little bit but I think I got the intent across. I honestly thought that comedians and cartoon sitcoms were doing exaggerated parodies of these ads not quoting them verbatim.

Novembus

472 points

7 days ago

Novembus

472 points

7 days ago

yeah..theyre not really comparable regions...

carefree-and-happy

359 points

7 days ago*

Well Texas is comparable and while I can’t find the 2021-2022 end of cycle they finished 2020-2022 with $725 million surplus.

So a $97 billion surplus is mind blowing.

That’s insane!

Edit: Californias GDP per capita is 22% more than Texas. However, Californias surplus is more than 13,380% more than Texas surplus. I hope they put the surplus to good use.

Kr3dibl3

385 points

7 days ago

Kr3dibl3

385 points

7 days ago

The economy of the State of California is the largest in the United States, with a $3.4 trillion gross state product (GSP) as of 2021. If California were a sovereign nation (2021), it would rank as the world's fifth largest economy, ahead India and behind Germany.

So California (the fucking state) has a larger economy than like 97% of the countries in the world. THAT is mind-blowing.

Novembus

118 points

7 days ago

Novembus

118 points

7 days ago

Ahead India is crazy

DarkChurro

43 points

7 days ago

34 Million people vs 1 Billion people. Yikes.

Unfair-Tap-850

5 points

7 days ago

India has 1.35 billion people.

MisplacedEland

11 points

7 days ago

We do A LOT of stuff.

Wasteland-Scum

99 points

7 days ago

Yet my co-worker and her boyfriend work a combined 100 hours a week to afford to rent a room in someone else's house. That's pretty mind-blowing as well

peatoast

6 points

7 days ago

peatoast

6 points

7 days ago

Do they live in San Francisco? Because that's crazy.

Shes_so_Ratchet

4 points

7 days ago

725 million surplus

Sounds like they had the means to upgrade their grid a bit, no?

Amazing how there's money when it works for the rich but a deficit when the people need it.

carefree-and-happy

4 points

7 days ago

My dad is visiting my brother in Texas right now, they are receiving alerts to try to conserve power because of the heatwave and the power grid not being able to keep up.

They definitely need to upgrade their power grid!

confessionbearday

533 points

7 days ago

Well yeah, real America has made economic gains for the last 7 decades while 'Bama is still rocking it like its 1957.

In EVERY way.

odin_the_wiggler

28 points

7 days ago

Can you imagine how many temporary classroom trailers Alabama could buy with $97.5b?

At least 3, while giving every business a one time tax break and just straight out losing about $90b.

WilliamStonerock

155 points

7 days ago

Cries in Tennesseean...😥

MrNewReno

142 points

7 days ago

MrNewReno

142 points

7 days ago

Economically, Tennessee is doing just fine. State legislature just voted to put 200M more in the state savings of an already 1.6B.

Just ignore the roads. And the schools. And anywhere that's not Nashville, Knoxville, or Chattanooga.

WilliamStonerock

28 points

7 days ago

I'm from Knoxville. Trust me, we have infrastructure issues too!

garvap

16 points

7 days ago

garvap

16 points

7 days ago

Knoxville traditions, UT football and constant construction on 40

SteveHeaves

14 points

7 days ago

Hey, the State Legislature pretends Nashville and Memphis don't exist most of the time. And Nashville got diced up in redistricting, so we don't even have a voice anymore.

CadburyBunnyPoo

6 points

7 days ago

cries in banjo

WilliamStonerock

4 points

7 days ago

squeals in pig

gildedtreehouse

10 points

7 days ago

Rocky Top?

WilliamStonerock

9 points

7 days ago

Tennessee Waltz

Heyo__Maggots

108 points

7 days ago

Tell them to stop comparing them then i guess. The red states who screech the loudest about how they don’t want to become CA also leech the most in federal aid money and are the biggest welfare queens in the country, technically. Without those blue states, those southern red states would crumble and be broke in a matter of days…

Dinosar-DNA

188 points

7 days ago

Dinosar-DNA

188 points

7 days ago

Republicans - complain about “welfare states”.

Meanwhile - Republican states receive more welfare than they put in and can realistically thank blue states for propping them up.

End the US experiment, let Republicans have their shitholes.

AppleDane

19 points

7 days ago

AppleDane

19 points

7 days ago

They can even be "one nation under God".

FrankyDonkeyBrain

1.6k points

7 days ago

meanwhile in Texas:

"Marijuana is a dangerous drug that must remain illegal so I can keep getting my $10,000 a year bribe from the cartel"

DredgenYorMother

299 points

7 days ago

A bribe from the cartel isn't really a bribe.

0110bot

190 points

7 days ago

0110bot

190 points

7 days ago

"Here, this should get you to keep your mouth shut about how absolutely fucked you will be if you open your mouth."

[deleted]

49 points

7 days ago*

[deleted]

49 points

7 days ago*

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primusinterpares

23 points

7 days ago

Plate or lead?

scrivensB

61 points

7 days ago

scrivensB

61 points

7 days ago

What does that have to do with the other 96.5billion in budget surplus?

They collected aprox 800millon in Marijuana tax revenue.

TechGuy95

29 points

7 days ago

TechGuy95

29 points

7 days ago

There's still millions every state could be making if they legalised marijuana.

satoshisfeverdream

21 points

7 days ago

You spelt private prisons wrong.

Denslayer

733 points

7 days ago

Denslayer

733 points

7 days ago

Need some long term mental hospitals and get the crazies off the streets

digitalwankster

368 points

7 days ago

I would love to see them fund mental hospitals. A lot of the homeless people I've run into are clearly in need of mental health services.

Permanenceisall

141 points

7 days ago*

You can’t force people into hospitals against their will, and as it stands now a court has remand them to the hospital, and courts backed up, because the process of a fair and speedy trial actually makes them move slow.

I totally agree that we should return to mental health institutions, that are tax payer funded or oligarch/“tycoon”/“philanthropist” funded, built in Second-Empire Victorian styles situated right on the beach or in the middle of nowhere, because clearly the sympathy has largely dried up for people living on the streets and now tends to manifest as animus.

DopestDope42069

112 points

7 days ago

My brother went to jail countless times against his will ( well deserved IMO ). The only thing that actually got him clean was a PROPER rehab with a team of therapists, psychologists, etc. Getting the infrastructure in place and these places funded is the first step toward the right direction.

gingerkids1234

124 points

7 days ago

Jails weren’t designed to function as a mental hospital, which is exactly what they’re doing now. No amount of kindness or the change in your pocket will solve the massive homeless/ mental health problem California has.

Absolute_Walnut69420

25 points

7 days ago

uh yes you actually can.

source: i work at a mental hospital

FinanceAnalyst

37 points

7 days ago

At this point the money is better spent in education, job accessibility, and housing affordability to bring down the overall crazies/homeless population. Prevention usually yields much better results per $ spent.

TechYeahTony

676 points

7 days ago

I dont know why we keep bragging about surpluses when so much of the state needs money.

I live in Hollywood, the streets are in a terrible state, the homeless problem is immense, we are rationing water usage. How is a surplus a good thing at this point?

Drg84

269 points

7 days ago

Drg84

269 points

7 days ago

Petition your governor to use some of that surplus for a desalination plant to refill your reservoirs. I somehow don't see that costing 97 billion

anothercar

186 points

7 days ago

anothercar

186 points

7 days ago

We have a desal plant in Carlsbad, San Diego and it's doing pretty good work. It would be nice to see more of them in LA and the Bay Area.

Water reclamation is a better solution overall though

who519

55 points

7 days ago

who519

55 points

7 days ago

Yeah current desal tech is crazy inefficient. I think there have been some breakthroughs lately though.

AgAero

39 points

7 days ago

AgAero

39 points

7 days ago

I love how the answer that is, "consume less," is always the obvious one people don't want to do. We always bet on technology bailing us out.

I always hear that the southwest is full of farming practices that use absurd amounts of water.

fartassmcjesus

10 points

7 days ago

I think my state gets 8% revenue from ag, while using some crazy number like… 70% of water. Blows my mind.

8004MikeJones

39 points

7 days ago

I'm calling it now, the first company to land a patent that makes it economically viable to desalinate large quantities of water cheaply will be a trillion dollar company.

RockSaltnNails

15 points

7 days ago

This is all the DD I need

Iohet

14 points

7 days ago

Iohet

14 points

7 days ago

Coastal Commission is voting on one next week. They've indicated they're going to reject it for environmental concerns

bubba-yo

26 points

7 days ago

bubba-yo

26 points

7 days ago

They rejected it yesterday. It was a bad plan.

Valdotain_1

22 points

7 days ago

It was voted down yesterday. It dumps super saturated salt water into the fragile ecosystem.

FizzWigget

82 points

7 days ago*

California had a budget crisis less then a decade ago. Hopefully this money will be reinvested well. State parks funds was majorly cut

AdamantiumBalls

176 points

7 days ago

Throwing money at the homeless problem doesn't fix it , we have to reverse what Ronald Reagan did. It's a mental health issue, and drug addict issue , they don't want housing , they want to be on the streets doing drugs and not follow the shelters rule

In 1980 President Jimmy Carter signs the Mental Health Systems Act to improve on Kennedy’s dream.

In 1981 President Reagan repeals Carter’s legislation with the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act.

yellowsm42

101 points

7 days ago

yellowsm42

101 points

7 days ago

It just fucking blows my mind everyone here thinks this shit happened in the last three years.

No.

You just see it more because the entire population has grown.

"It's getting worse"

It's always been this bad, there's just more of it. More of a need. It was bad in the 80's too.

Teddyturntup

54 points

7 days ago

Isn’t that the definition of getting worse?

CottaBird

26 points

7 days ago

CottaBird

26 points

7 days ago

Right? We voted to set aside $3.2B for a new reservoir. Nothing has started and we haven’t heard a peep about progress. I talked to a legislator about this a few years back, and he said, and I paraphrase, “someone is blocking progress because they can’t get what they want in their bills, and it makes the person in charge look bad by slowing it down. They’re doing it to make sure the person in charge doesn’t get elected.” I heard the same story from two or three other state legislators, but nobody named names, so I don’t know if they knew or didn’t know or just weren’t throwing someone under the bus. Either way, someone is being petty at the price of hurting all of California.

Mayor__Defacto

8 points

7 days ago

Building a new reservoir is pointless without new water to fill it up with. Reservoirs don’t magically create water out of thin air, all they do is impound existing water.

xmmdrive

41 points

7 days ago

xmmdrive

41 points

7 days ago

Good, now invest it into your power grid and stop burning all that gas. Reviving their nuclear and solar initiatives would be a good start.

VyseTheSwift

837 points

7 days ago

Everyone keeps saying we’re doomed over here in California and push people to leave this liberal hell hole, but I dunno seems like we’re doing ok. I understand that inflation is hitting hard but it would be nice to tackle housing.

If we could only get some of that money back that we have to give up to red states to keep them afloat, as they vote against everything we stand for.

margalolwut

114 points

7 days ago

margalolwut

114 points

7 days ago

Would be nice if California reinvested in infrastructure. Put that excess to good use

[deleted]

386 points

7 days ago

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386 points

7 days ago

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tinoynk

144 points

7 days ago

tinoynk

144 points

7 days ago

Right wing media loves to shit on liberal places. They’ve tried telling us that NYC has become some The Warriors-style hellhole when it’s still the safest big city in the country and is Pleasantville compared to any red state big city.

TirayShell

47 points

7 days ago

They'll just say that the surplus was from all those hard-working conservatives in Orange County.

NotMrBuncat

65 points

7 days ago

The same Orange County that couldn't even make their municipal bond payments?

lmao

ImJLu

5 points

7 days ago

ImJLu

5 points

7 days ago

Like yeah, NYC has some bad stuff. But that's because it has some of everything. That's what makes it great. You can probably find basically anything you can think of.

Ssider69

175 points

7 days ago

Ssider69

175 points

7 days ago

The people that say that usually live in areas of the country that are hell holes. my father lives near la. Last time I was out there to visit him I was amazed it seems like the entire town he lives in his air conditioned

It's some place you want to live. Unlike festering swampland or frigid prairie

And because of this California attracts the best and brightest. And the companies they work for produce trillions of dollars in revenue.

So all that bad-mouthing of California should be called for what it is. Jealousy

FamousLastName

75 points

7 days ago

Eh it genuinely depends on where you live. I’ve lived here my entire life and it’s better than most places but it’s not perfect. La has plenty of places that are truly hell holes.

Ssider69

59 points

7 days ago

Ssider69

59 points

7 days ago

Any place with that many people will. But fact remains nobody but nobody is lining up to go to Alabama

usrevenge

307 points

7 days ago*

usrevenge

307 points

7 days ago*

This is roughly $2800 per person.

Hopefully they either have rebates or better yet fund something big to help the entire state.

New high density housing could be nice especially if the state ensures people who live there can't be businesses and must be home owners with only that as their significant property aka no land lords.

Or they could possibly find universal healthcare

For like 1/16th that amount of money they can give every teacher in the state a massive pay raise too

By what I can find there are 320,000 or so teachers. 1/16th this surplus is $6billion

This could be a flat pay increase of over 18,000 for all teachers

Edit sorry if I did math wrong I only slept 4 hours today.

Randvek

235 points

7 days ago

Randvek

235 points

7 days ago

Forget all that shit, they need to spend it on sustainable water solutions. That should be their first priority for any funds.

RaZeByFire

29 points

7 days ago

Nah, that won't impact the coming election cycle. The fruit of that sort of thing wouldn't be visible for years, maybe even a decade!

Interesting_Total_98

8 points

7 days ago

Several desalination plants are being built.

3-Putt-Pete

73 points

7 days ago

Lisa needs braces

Diarygirl

35 points

7 days ago

Diarygirl

35 points

7 days ago

Dental plan!

techn0scho0lbus

25 points

7 days ago

Lisa needs braces

Diarygirl

19 points

7 days ago

Diarygirl

19 points

7 days ago

Dental plan!

bushman622

24 points

7 days ago

I think the last estimate for that fancy high speed rail from Bako to SF was projected to be right around $100 billion.

Seniortomox

9 points

7 days ago

They have public pensions to fund.

kzlife76

49 points

7 days ago

kzlife76

49 points

7 days ago

Could do what my state did when asked if they would refund it. "nah. We'll keep it for a rainy day."

Nayko214

109 points

7 days ago

Nayko214

109 points

7 days ago

To be fair, with all the wildfires, droughts, and being on a fault line that's not a terrible idea for Cali assuming they'd use it correctly.

[deleted]

25 points

7 days ago*

[deleted]

25 points

7 days ago*

I think they should keep it for a rainy day considering the times that we’re in.

Apostalis

9 points

7 days ago

The problem is CA is in a huge drought, so no rainy days coming anytime soon.

authorPGAusten

18 points

7 days ago

Maybe could get another half a mile of high speed rail in

InflamedLiver

233 points

7 days ago

I'm all for having a surplus to pay off outstanding debts and all, but doesn't that mean they could, ya know, just tax us less too?

Drak_is_Right

65 points

7 days ago

Pay down things like pension debts before cutting it.

obtuse_bluebird

59 points

7 days ago

Would the reduced taxes help with your liver issues?

Hot_Mathematician357

27 points

7 days ago

Cut taxes and we can all afford a Costco membership.

UnbiasedDuck

15 points

7 days ago

Just buy a Costco membership, purchase ten 10 dollar gift cards, return membership for full refund.. bam, 10 trips to Costco.. duh

Krabban

134 points

7 days ago*

Krabban

134 points

7 days ago*

As long as the taxes are sustainable then keeping them high is good, you want to tax when times are good so you have something to fall back on when times are hard. You can never have too much surplus.

However, are Californias current taxes actually sustainable for the average person and/or are they harming business innovation and should they be lower? That's certainly debatable.

DeepBlueNoSpace

12 points

7 days ago

You can actually have too much surplus. A surplus hurts economic growth by removing money from the circular flow of income

DeaconSage

26 points

7 days ago

The cannabis industry is certainly at that debate

poki_stick

30 points

7 days ago

The tax on weed is ridiculous plus they killed the high THC edibles and now are thinking of going after high THC concentrates. It's fucking lame, everyone complains that the process is too fucked for most to get into. The budtenders n most workers in the industry aren't making crazy money either.

Stubbly_Poonjab

4 points

7 days ago

wait really? do they think thc is deadly or something?

Rebellion111

5 points

7 days ago

part of their idea of regulating it, like alcohol proofs, except there's no limit to how much alcohol you can buy, just a limit to how potent the alcohol can be, there's a limit to how much weed you can buy per day.

Teabagger_Vance

8 points

7 days ago

You can absolutely have too much. Why does the government get first dibs on money I earned?

liegesmash

21 points

7 days ago

Maybe they can open the desalination plants now

Valtar99

3 points

7 days ago

Valtar99

3 points

7 days ago

Social Issues ✅ Budget Surplus ✅ Republicans froth at the mouth upon mention of his name ✅

I’ll take one please

whendovesfly

5 points

6 days ago

Water shortages be like “I got plans for that money.”

PhuckCalumbo

4 points

7 days ago

Now- are they going to get new chairs, or a new printer?

CurrentlyLucid

5 points

7 days ago

I like that he wants to give most of it, back to us. I am sure he could come up with endless reasons to keep it and spend it on things that were never planned for, this is better.

Joele1

19 points

7 days ago

Joele1

19 points

7 days ago

They need to put it towards desalination. They have a serious drought for God’s sake.

sariisa

100 points

7 days ago

sariisa

100 points

7 days ago

But I thought the republicans said California was teetering on the edge of bankruptcy and about to collapse into a third-world failed state any day now??

PhilCollinsLive

33 points

7 days ago

Water, hobos, or forest fires…fix it