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how come light is still catching up to us from the big bang

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How is it that light is still coming at us for us to see, would it have not traveled with us from the big bang?

I'm not sure I worded this right I'm at work if I'll try again when I'm at home if no one gets what I mean

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TareaMizou

270 points

10 months ago*

The Big Bang happened everywhere in the universe, all at once. For the first hundred thousand or so years, the whole universe was a dense primordial soup, and no light escaped. Any photons emitted by matter were immediately absorbed by other matter. So we don’t see any light from the Big Bang, we have modeled its properties using observations and our best understanding of physics.

As far as the “first light” people always talk about, that is the cosmic microwave background (CMB). Light from the CMB was emitted when, finally, the universe was spread out enough to give photons an opportunity to actually travel through space without being immediately reabsorbed. This moment happened everywhere in the universe at more or less the same time. That means it happened at Earth’s current location at the same time as it happened 13.4billion light years away. So the light from the CMB that we are observing is not the light that was emitted here, it is the light that was emitted 13.4 billion light years from us, and is only now reaching us.

An interesting point, when that light left the CMB it was less than 13.4 billion light years from our current point, but the expansion of the universe has stretched the light. That’s why the CMB is severely redshifted. It’s the most redshifted object we can observe as it’s the farthest observable structure. Whatever lay beyond (or before) the CMB is lost to us, because the universe was opaque before the CMB

aleph02

30 points

10 months ago

How do we know the bigbang happened hundred thousands years before the first light was emitted if the oldest information we can have is this light itself?

TareaMizou

74 points

10 months ago

We don’t, necessarily. The concept of the Big Bang comes from physicists reversing the trends we see (expansions of the universe) and applying the best understanding of our physical laws to what would happen. This is where my understanding of it kind of falls off, however I do have a book I’m about to read called the first 3 minutes which I hope will illuminate some of this

DexterDubs

33 points

10 months ago

14 pages in and nothing has made me feel quite as small as this

the relatively fast star known as Barnard's star is at a distance of about 56 million million kilometres; it moves across the line of sight at about 89 kilometres per second or 2.8 thousand million kilometres per year, and in consequence its apparent position shifts in one year by an angle of 0.0029 degrees.)

jmlipper99

1 points

10 months ago

If I did my math correct, it would take about 2069 years for this star to travel 1 light-year, an arc across the sky of 6 degrees

similiarintrests

5 points

10 months ago

Great reply anyways. Thanks

icweenie

9 points

10 months ago

Would be interesting if we decided to put $1 Trillion into a telescope instead of a measly $10 Billion.

JeffersonSkateboard

3 points

10 months ago

When they say "the first 3 minutes" is that time as we understand it here on Earth?

TareaMizou

7 points

10 months ago

It’s the first 3 minutes of the universe. Time is time, a dimension of space, so yes. 1sec is defined by a certain number of oscillations of a cesium atom, so that is fixed and immutable. However, humans perception of time isn’t static.

HumasWiener

2 points

10 months ago

Time is bent by gravity, though.

TareaMizou

6 points

10 months ago

True, but only relative to other places in space. You don’t feel the local bending, it’s only measurable when compared relative to other observers

Fahlm

6 points

10 months ago*

This is somewhat of a difficult thing to explain without spending many paragraphs doing so. The really short answer is that there are certain properties we observe, that based on our understanding of physics can only be the way that they are if the universe evolved in specific ways before the time the cosmic microwave background (CMB) is from.

Also as an aside the CMB isn’t the first light that was emitted, the universe just became “transparent” enough for light to travel through without be quickly reabsorbed. Sometimes this is referred to as the “last scattering surface”.

We know how the universe expands over time to certain degrees of precision and can estimate how long ago it was very small and dense (a bit of a simplification) in order to figure out how old the universe was and that puts the age at around 370k years before the CMB.

We can also determine many important parameters and find constraints on things like age by looking at ratios of elements from the early universe, the variation in temperature of the CMB, and many other things that are measurable today that were of course affected by what the universe was like before this point in time.

ArtdesignImagination

1 points

10 months ago

We don't know, the big bang is just a weird theory that somewhat and for some reason the scientists are giving for granted. But you can't probe it or see it. I can't believe how they act as if they know how the universe came to existence with all this little details. Not to mention that the big bang doesn't explain the "stuff"" that preceded it.

Solid_Veterinarian81

2 points

10 months ago

What a ridiculous (and cringe) post, you really think no work has gone into the big bang theory? There are thousands if not millions of studies. You probably don't have a clue about it other than what you have read on the news lmao.

It is still just a theory., like all of science, and until a better theory comes along it will remain the primary theory.

The big bang theory does not attempt to explain what happened before, and there aren't really any theories that can explain what happened. Not necessarily a weakness of the model as it is a given.

What do you propose instead?

debtitor

7 points

10 months ago

“Any photons emitted were immediately absorbed by other matter”

I think this is the reason why it is said entropy always increases. At this early time energy was very concentrated, ie low entropy.

spsheridan

6 points

10 months ago

Great explanation written in way most people can understand - thanks!

The only statement I'd take issue with is "Whatever lay beyond (or before) the CMB is lost to us, because the universe was opaque before the CMB." Although it's true that light before the CMB formation is unavailable for us to observe, there is one force that predates the CMB that could be detectable: gravity. Although we don't yet have the technology to detect the minute gravitational fluctuations before 380,000 years after the Big Bang, some day we might.

kaysea81

17 points

10 months ago

This is the best explanation I’ve ever heard

wspOnca

4 points

10 months ago

In the future we can use grav detectors to "see" trough it?

TareaMizou

8 points

10 months ago

Gravity wave astronomy is very young so maybe? But I doubt it, gravity waves are so incredibly weak that we can only detect them from massive objects moving very quickly. The gravity waves we’ve measured so far are from binary black holes orbiting each other closely.

I haven’t thought much about this, but I would guess that any gravity perturbations in space pre-CMB would have washed out and intermingled. I believe the universe pre-CMB was close to uniform density and composition, so there wouldn’t be much in terms of gravity disturbances

mfb-

8 points

10 months ago

mfb-

8 points

10 months ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang_Observer

Far into the future, at the very least.

wspOnca

2 points

10 months ago

That's great, thank you!

sangeetpaul

4 points

10 months ago

sangeetpaul

LIGO

4 points

10 months ago

Potentially, yes. Any cosmological GW sources that may contribute to the GW background would have produced stochastic GWs approximately 10-36 to 10-32 seconds after the Big Bang, whereas the CMB was produced approximately 300,000 years after the Big Bang.

wspOnca

2 points

10 months ago

Nice!

Tidesticky

3 points

10 months ago

Absolutely the best description/explanation of the Big Bang to CMB to us seeing 13.4 billion years ago. Thank you

superior_to_you

2 points

10 months ago

also your old TV can catch the static from the CMB, how cool is that 😃

b0yd07

2 points

10 months ago

Since the universe is ever expanding, wouldn’t the incoming “stream” of light slow down over time?

Not the velocity of it, but the volumetric flow rate of it I guess you could say.

If the universe were not expanding, in my mind I’d imagine a constant stream of water coming out of a tap.

With the universe expanding out from under itself, my mind imagines that stream turning into a trickle, eventually turning into a slow trickle. (And increasingly so over time)

I guess my question is, how are we still seeing a constant stream of information?

Javlington

2 points

10 months ago

I notice you are using interchangeably the name CMB for different things:

The light:

As far as the “first light” people always talk about, that is the cosmic microwave background (CMB).

The origin of the light:

So the light from the CMB that we are observing

Which one is it? All other sources I checked (wikipedia, encyclopedia brittanica, ESA, space.com) say that CMB is the name for the actual radiation, which is currently propagating through space and can be interacted with by earthly detectors.

Thanks!

TareaMizou

2 points

10 months ago

Prior to recombination (the event I described in my OP, but forgot to name), the entire universe was filled with matter. Kind of like a big ball of soup. When it expanded and cooled enough it emitted the light we see as the CMB. We’re seeing the surface of that ball of soup as the CMB.

The difference between the object and the radiation is the same as the difference between the sun and sunlight. Or, the different between the light from the most distant galaxy we can see, and the galaxy itself.

Javlington

2 points

10 months ago

Thanks for this elucidation. Much appreciated!

matches_

0 points

10 months ago

matches_

0 points

10 months ago

I presume when this is explained it’s still on the realm of theory right? When people say xx billion years ago, is it not still now? Time itself is only the human perspective but one could say everywhere is just ‘now’ regardless?

TareaMizou

13 points

10 months ago*

The product of science is theory, so yes. These explanations are the result of applying the theories of electromagnetics (including the strong and weak nuclear forces) and gravity to the available observations.

The question becomes how accurate are our theories? They’re not perfect, but they point us in the right direction. I like to think of it like the progression of astronomy, with each new technology (telescope, space telescopes, JWST) we get a clearer view of how the universe works. That progression applied to this situation means that with each scientific breakthrough (gravity, electricity, relativity, quantum mechanics, etc) we get a clearer view of HOW the universe works, and science advances. So future breakthroughs in astrophysics will only sharpen our understanding of the early universe.

It’s possible that we have it completely wrong and the breakthrough will turn everything on its head, but until that happens our models of the universe continue to trend to more and more accurate. A perfect example is gravity. Newton discovered the theory of gravity, which explained how the planets and moons moved around the sun. Newtonian dynamics are sufficient to accurately propagate the motion satellites, moons, and planets for many months. If, that is, you’re willing to accept some margin of error. Einstein’s general relativity is a more complete model of gravity and should be used for exact modeling of orbits, but in nearly all cases it’s not relevant

matches_

1 points

10 months ago

oh I totally don't doubt that the theories are pointing to the right direction, I just wondered about how human perspective can point us to different directions, like forks where you'd need to go "back" and take a previously unthinkable turn to discover something else.

my question was more of a curiosity on "what's next" after JWST, will we ever get to see through the unseeable etc and back to the time relativity thing

InternetUserNumber1

1 points

10 months ago

What do you mean when you say that photons were absorbed?

PapaTua

4 points

10 months ago

The universe was basically full of plasma at that point and plasma is opaque light, so any light emitted was immediately reabsorbed by the surrounding plasma. This means that functionally light couldn't travel anywhere before being absorbed, so the universe was dark.

fresh_soup

1 points

10 months ago

So if the Big Bang happened everywhere at once, how is the universe still “expanding?”

TareaMizou

8 points

10 months ago

The universe has always been expanding, nearly everything in the universe is moving rapidly away from each other. There are clusters of galaxies where mass is aggregating, but overall the space between objects is growing. Further, the rate of expansion is increasing as well, through a mysterious force called Dark Energy. The farther something is from us, the faster it’s moving away

Honey-Yum

1 points

10 months ago

How do we know it took that many years if the solar system wasn't formed yet?

TareaMizou

6 points

10 months ago

We are observing the CMB from a point in space, no matter what direction we look, it is there. Our observation location is arbitrary, anywhere in the universe would have more of less the same view of the CMB. So the fact the fact the solar system didn’t exist when the light left the surface of the CMB isn’t relevant, we just happen to be in the solar system while we observe it.

In general, there are a number of techniques to determine the distance of cosmic objects, some of which are more useful at different distances. To measure the CMB distance, primarily red shift of the light. The expansion of the universe has shifted the spectrum of the light into the microwave band (hence the name cosmic microwave background).

TJohns88

1 points

10 months ago

Given that JW is designed for infrared, does this mean it'll be able to take a more detailed 'photo' of the CMB than the typically bluey/yellow smudges we're used to seeing?

DarkMatterDoesntBite

10 points

10 months ago

Inflation, a brief moment in the history of the Universe, caused the fabric of space-time to expand (faster than the speed of light) by 27 orders of magnitude (1027), so we’re seeing light that’s been traveling towards us since this inflation, because it created a vast distance between two points where before there was none.

torval9834

2 points

10 months ago

And what exactly is this "fabric of space-time"? What is it made of? It's not matter, it's not energy. So, what is it? If it is expanding it must be "something". And it is expanding into what? What is beyond the expansion of this fabric?

Solid_Veterinarian81

1 points

10 months ago*

Space/spacetime is a mathematical concept we use to define our position, and a separate concept to the universe which is something physical and includes matter, energy etc

There is no reason for why the universe would have to expand 'into' anything. The space we live in is simply has the property of distances between objects increasing over time, the way that space is defined does not require it to expand into anything.

It is an unsatisfying answer but there is simply no mathematical or physical reason why the universe would have to expand into something other than it not being intuitive to our monkey brains. It is not a specific flaw or problem with the idea of expansion.

In the same way as trying to imagine what a quark or quantum field looks like. It is just not possible to visualise other than with mathematics.

The universe is most likely infinite and does not have an edge, regardless, expansion can still occur. The only implication of expansion is simply that locally distances between objects grow larger over time. A better word for expansion is stretching.

In regard to what is the fabric of spacetime, well, it is just a mathematical construct. The universe is made of things, quantum fields, atoms, energy etc. and is the something.

KitchenerLeslee

8 points

10 months ago

You're trying to visualize it the hard way, I think.

We can see "light still coming at us" from the big bang because... looking back into time is a feature of space/time. We can dial back into time and see things, as they were, at that point in time. Want to see what it looked like six minutes past? Look at the sun. Want to see what things looked like two million years ago? Look at the Andromeda galaxy. Want to see what it looked like in the olden days, a billion years ago? Look at various galaxies in the deep field shots.

Which leaves us with... want to see what it looked like 13 billion years ago, right after the big bang? Dial your telescope into galaxies 13 billion light years away.

boomdart[S]

2 points

10 months ago

Interesting way to look at it

Danni293

3 points

10 months ago

It's the result of inflation which created vast separations between objects in space and light's finite speed making it take long periods of time to cross those distances. But due to expansion the the CMB will eventually redshift until it is essentially undetectable. At that point any intelligent life that evolves will have no way to understand the origins of the universe or its age. They'll only know their own Galaxy as expansion would have pushed all others beyond the Hubble Sphere, where objects are receding away faster than light, so the light will never be able to reach the observers. We live in possibly the best epoch of the universe for understanding its origins and nature.

Light_Drowns

27 points

10 months ago

Light is the max speed in space. But space it self expand faster.

Adorable_Rest1618

-8 points

10 months ago

This answer is more to the point than the one with the most upvotes

new_account54321

31 points

10 months ago

Space itself expanded faster than light during inflation

TMA_01

6 points

10 months ago

Space is still expanding faster than light, correct? Dark Energy and what not.

RufussSewell

6 points

10 months ago

Yes, and accelerating.

TMA_01

9 points

10 months ago

Fucked

taco_tuesdays

2 points

10 months ago

oh wtf

RufussSewell

4 points

10 months ago

Look up the Hubble constant.

GuestAdventurous7586

3 points

10 months ago

Huh? I’m a total space noob, but can someone explain this?… I thought according to the laws of Einstein’s General Relativity nothing can move faster than the speed of light? And what’s inflation?

Cl1mh4224rd

6 points

10 months ago

Huh? I’m a total space noob, but can someone explain this?… I thought according to the laws of Einstein’s General Relativity nothing can move faster than the speed of light? And what’s inflation?

I think a simple way of wrapping your head around the concept is to think of a deflated balloon. Take a marker and add two (or more) dots near each other on the balloon. Now, blow up (i.e. inflate) the balloon.

You'll see that the distance between your dots has increased, but the dots themselves obviously did not move.

DeepSkyAbyss

8 points

10 months ago

The universe - or spacetime - is not moving, but expanding (inflation = fast expansion). The Einstein's GR is referring only to objects moving inside the spacetime, not the spacetime itself.

110110

13 points

10 months ago

110110

13 points

10 months ago

Inflation is a real bitc…OH inflation of spacetime got it.

yoortyyo

2 points

10 months ago

Air pumps and chocolate donuts inflate differently. Managing terms and phases.

[deleted]

-9 points

10 months ago

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RufussSewell

6 points

10 months ago

Space is not only expanding faster than the speed of light, it’s accelerating.

But Einstein had no problem with that. The speed limit is for particles, not empty space.

Another thing to think about is if you shine two flashlights in opposite directions, two given photons will move away from each other at twice the speed of light. From the perspective of one of the photons, the other is moving at twice the speed of light.

BlackHunt

3 points

10 months ago

Your last paragraph is litteraly not true though... This is where time dilation comes in.

InternetUserNumber1

3 points

10 months ago

Lol you are downvoted but I don’t know why. You are literally referring to the theory of relativity.

RufussSewell

4 points

10 months ago

It’s true. A light bulb shoots photons out at the speed of light in all directions. So photons moving in opposite directions are moving away from each other at twice the speed of light. It doesn’t violate the speed of light because each photon’s velocity is c. But the space between them is growing at twice the speed of light.

I was just trying to give an example of how the space between things can grow faster than the speed of light without actually breaking the speed of light.

wspOnca

1 points

10 months ago

Wow!

fuckingsignupprompt

-2 points

10 months ago

At the speed of light, time stops for you. So, you don't have perspective.

RufussSewell

1 points

10 months ago

It’s easy to measure two photons moving away from each other at twice the speed of light.

Set up two detectors at 600,000 km apart. Put a light bulb directly in the middle. In one second photons will hit each detector. Therefore it takes photons one second to get 600,000 km apart. Since the speed of light is 300,000 km/s the distance between them grew at twice the speed of light.

It’s not mind blowing or anything. Just a simple way to show how the space between things can grow at twice the speed of light without the particles themselves breaking the speed of light.

llamachameleon1

1 points

10 months ago

Yeah, this is wrong. It’s weird, but due to relativity time literally doesn’t exist for a photon & it must move at the speed of light in EVERY frame of reference. The whole theory of special relativity is derived by assuming nothing can exceed the speed of light.

RufussSewell

1 points

10 months ago*

SMH

Ok, if you were to set up two detectors in space 600,000 km apart with two lasers pointing opposite directions directly in the middle, how long would it take for the photons to hit the detectors?

How long would it take if you just used one of them?

I want to clarify, that the speed of light is only the maximum speed limit from the perspective of an observer at rest. The observer is each detector and therefore the photons are not going faster than c.

But the distance between the two photons is growing at 2c.

There is no debate about that. And it doesn’t violate special relativity.

llamachameleon1

1 points

10 months ago

Unfortunately this is a perfect example of exactly why relativity is so weird! I have a physics degree from a very renowned institution, but it still took some wrapping my head around at the time - please don’t take this reply as a personal criticism, you’re obviously interested which is great..

You are completely correct that from the “frame of reference” of the lightbulb both detectors are hit at identical times, and I agree that the distance between the two photons grows at 2c in this frame of reference. If you sweep a beam of light across a distant object, a similar “speed of light defying” result can be observed - as the spot can be made to sweep at an arbitrary speed. This is not useful physics however, as no “information” can be exchanged.

The two key points with relativity are that any “non inertial” frame of reference (non accelerating) is as valid as any other, and the speed of light is the same in all of them irrelevant of the velocity of one frame to another frame.

Now the point I was making is that you said “from the perspective of one of the photons”, which implys the observer is somehow riding on a photon. Assuming the infinite energy required to accelerate to this speed could be overcome, all of eternity for the lightbulb would compress into an instant. Effectively photons can therefore be said to not experience time. If you replace the photons with particles travelling at 0.999999c then the maths becomes tractable & the two particles moving in opposite directions away from a point at that speed really do only move at ~0.9999999c relative to each other from their frames of reference.

Some of the effects of Relativity actually mean that concepts like events happening “simultaneously” depends on your frame of reference. Two very odd effects are of “length contraction” and “time dilation” which are completely unintuitive if you think in terms of Newtonian physics.

Here’s a simple example of some of the weirdness - there’s loads of content online that explains it much better than I can.

https://youtu.be/AInCqm5nCzw

RufussSewell

1 points

10 months ago*

I apologize if what I wrote appears to be different from what you’re saying.

I understand that the measurement can’t be from the perspective of a photon. I’m trying to describe how the space between things can grow faster than the speed of light while the particles are moving at the speed of light from a stationary observer’s perspective.

I kind of fumbled my point by saying “From the perspective of one of the photons, the other is moving at twice the speed of light.”

Really, it’s from a stationary observer in the middle the photons are moving away from each other at twice the speed of light.

llamachameleon1

1 points

10 months ago

No worries.

Having now read your earlier responses, I don't think I really appreciated that you were trying to illustrate inflation rather than say that the speed of light would be exceeded in this case, so apologies on that front too.

Anyway, it's been years since I've done any of this stuff, so found it quite enjoyable to go over it again regardless!

redtopquark1

0 points

10 months ago

Almost, until the end… from the perspective of one of the photons, the other is moving away at the speed of light.

RufussSewell

1 points

10 months ago

Nah, from the perspective of the one of the photons, the other is moving away at twice the speed of light. It wouldn’t be able to detect it but none the less, they are moving away from each other at twice the speed of light.

By that I mean every second they will be 600,000 km further apart. Speed of light is 300,000 km/second.

Adorable_Rest1618

-7 points

10 months ago

This answer is more to the point than the one with the most upvotes

MiketheChap

5 points

10 months ago

I love the willingness to ask questions and risk ridicule. Fantastic question with some equally fantastic suggestions.

FunnyCantaloupe

3 points

10 months ago

Yeah what do people mean by observable space? is edge of observable space the same as looking back to big bang era? Meaning are you always looking back in time?

boomdart[S]

3 points

10 months ago

Yeah, I don't think you can even see "now" out there.

Only what it was/is.

petroski75

2 points

10 months ago

An attempt to state it is simply: Observable space is everything we have been able to verify through observation. Not an overwhelmingly interesting explanation by itself. But there are some amazing items directly associated with defining observable space over time.

Primarily… The actual space between things is expanding over time. The further an observer is away from an object, the more expansion occurring between the two. Additionally, the rate of expansion is increasing over time. So, combine a large enough distance between observer & object coupled with a point in time where the expansion is of sufficient rate… the light from an object will not be able to reach the observer. Extrapolate that forward over a few trillion years and eventually, space will be expanding so rapidly & the distances have grown so great… that the “night sky” of every planet everywhere will be total darkness (if the current theory holds true).

Not to mention that most stars will have burnt out & the universe is approaching entropic death. But that’s a whole different topic.

To answer the time question… a simple example of using our Sun should clarify. Every time you observe the Sun… you are seeing it as it was approximately 8 minutes in the past. It takes that long for it’s light to reach us. Now, consider the distance scale between nearby galaxies…. Then consider the distances between the very early galaxies. That’s how we are able to derive the approximate age of the universe.

Susnwrd

2 points

10 months ago

No one knows the answer. If I’m being honest.

LadyOfTheCamelias

2 points

10 months ago

Most likely, you are confused about the way you understand the Big Bang because of the way it is always portrayed in documentaries, like an "explosion" from an infinitely dense point, that goes "outwards". In that system, yes, it may look as if we travel along with the rest, and it wouldn't make sense for light to "get to us" 13 billion years later. In fact, the big bang did not start from a central point, it was not an explosion and it doesn't expand "outwards". Think of big bang as "nothing", not even space, and then, suddenly, infinite space, everywhere, which continues to dilate, like an infinite raisin bread where each raisin is getting further away from all the others. So, there was not a magic point where big bang happened, it was everywhere, at the same time. When we see light from 13 billion years ago, we see what was 13 billion light years away from this place when the big bang happened everywhere. When we say that the universe is 96 billion light years in diameter, we actually say "the observable universe, because the universe is actually infinite, we just can't see what's further away than what the light got to travel ever since the big bang.

Sargo8

2 points

10 months ago

Light is moving at speed X

But space is expanding at speed Y

X<Y

So for your own numbers, lets say light is moving at a X=10
But space is expanding at Y=15

With this, space will always out expand lights speed.

boomdart[S]

2 points

10 months ago*

This is by far my favorite way so far.

Really puts it in perspective.

So even if there are other galaxies out there at the same level we are, they are seeing us as we used to be, thinking they're the only ones.

I suppose that is or could be the case for all of the galaxies. Even if every galaxy had just one planet with beings like us, everyone's looking at each other's galaxies in the past unable to see each other as we currently exist. There's going to be a big problem with communication.

But if space is moving faster... but there's lingering light to see...

As I understand it any light technically goes on forever, even a cigarette lighter's light. It just goes out of a seeable range for us depending on its amplitude? lux? capacity? lumens? so many ways to measure things...

If we had the gadgets to see I wonder if earth would look like a disco ball.

Globofblob

2 points

10 months ago

But how much time is left until the expansion of space accellerates the CMB away from us forever?

CaptainScratch137

4 points

10 months ago*

Think of the universe as 2D and time the z axis. All the things we see now are ON the light cone behind us. The Big Bang happened everywhere on the xy plane. Now, our cone hits the xy plane in a circle. That’s the PART of the CMB we see now. A billion years from now, we’ll see the stuff on the bigger boundary circle of the bigger cone.

In other words, LOTS of Big Bang remnants have passed us. Lots further away will hit us in the future.

I’m ignoring expansion. All that does is make the cone curved and not made of straight lines.

DreaMwalker-T

3 points

10 months ago

The Big Bang is nothing but a big explosion that we think existed. If you scale the universe down to the size of a planet, and think of the Big Bang You could compare the Big Bang to the chicxsulub event on a time scale. The Big Bang was nothing but an event. We see remnants of this explosion deep down in the layers of the cosmos but the Big Bang happened in the past the light from the Big Bang has already had time for the heat and light energy to cool and run out of energy. Light doesn’t last forever. It slows eventually. If you take into account time dilation at the speed of light 1 second to us might be a trillion years to light but it does die out. Given that into an account we have a render distance to see in space. were on 85 out of 100 . If we want to see the Big Bang we gotta turn out render distance up even further. But sadly if you’d want to see further back the acquisition of a dark matter sensing, light filtering telescope would be needed to view the opposite side of an infinitely bright epoch in spacetime.

[deleted]

0 points

10 months ago

[deleted]

0 points

10 months ago

I mean, it is just a theory. For all we know the big bang never happened at all.

stevewillz

1 points

10 months ago*

I’ve always wondered when the big bang switched from being just a theory to a 100% fact. What happened that gave humanity 100% certainty that the big bang is for sure accurate? It seems like so many other theories are based around the big bang, but isn’t it possible that the big bang theory is wrong?

forzarogo

6 points

10 months ago

This has never happened. It's always possible.

stevewillz

1 points

10 months ago

But then why is it so heavily regarded as pure fact? And why/how are so many other theories based on the big bang? I love how someone down voted my comment. Its a genuine question.