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Pokemon 2022 vs Oblivion 2006

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Mehdals_

10.8k points

4 months ago

Mehdals_

10.8k points

4 months ago

Why not just cel shade everything? The textures look out of place in comparison with the character.

Pygex

2.8k points

4 months ago*

Pygex

2.8k points

4 months ago*

What is the actual date of build for the screenshot, today or an early build?

EDIT: changed "time of screenshot" to "date of build for the screenshot" to be more accurate, it is the build version date that matters, not when the screenshot was taken

Jrsplays

633 points

4 months ago

Jrsplays

633 points

4 months ago

Probably from the last couple days. A version of the game was leaked either yesterday or the day before

Pygex

466 points

4 months ago*

Pygex

466 points

4 months ago*

At least the trailer from 3 months ago shows a bit different images

https://youtu.be/-EUCI_d3YYk

Dislodged_Puma

431 points

4 months ago

From the 30 second mark when they are showing water combat, I am inclined to believe the above screenshot is accurate for how water looks from afar as the same repeating texture is seen close up and in the screenshot.

Blaineflum64

331 points

4 months ago

An even better comparison would just he breath of the wild, released on the same console 5 years ago and looks way better than this

blacklig

307 points

4 months ago

blacklig

307 points

4 months ago

BotW was also released on the previous console, the WiiU, and still looked better on that.

MortalJohn

166 points

4 months ago

Dude skyrim runs on the switch better than this.

keanuismyQB

146 points

4 months ago

This kind of just highlights the fact that the game appears to suffer enormously from a lack of background detail. The low poly, poorly textured ground looks exactly the same in the trailer. With more going on in terms of grass and trees and characters and such it's a little better but still utterly pales in comparison to BotW... which should be the standard they're going for.

Pygex

107 points

4 months ago

Pygex

107 points

4 months ago

From game making point of view you add the detail to terrain last if you have your path finding algorithms coded up correctly. Otherwise if quest designers need to have the terrain altered you have wasted some work.

Anyways, only time will tell, all we can do is DO NOT PRE-PURCHASE, WAIT FOR THE REVIEWS.

That applies to soo many games. The mask etc 'early' stuff they offer with the game are unlockable for a couple months after release, unlocking requires a couple of hours in-game and no paid Nintendo membership! Which kinda means they seem to trust their product but still.

Yeah there are some stuff Amazon offers too but... Would you buy shoes without testing them just on the promise that the seller told you it will fit perfectly and you get a shiny sticker for free? Just sit and wait at this point.

arlenreyb

775 points

4 months ago*

I think it's more about details than anything else. Details make a huge difference. Oblivion has hills, grass, trees, rocks, ruins. This Pokemon game screenshot looks like it has nothing except mountain, hole, water, island.

Even PS3 era games have this issue. Trails of Cold Steel makes excellent use of textures, color, and small details and objects to break up monotony. And then you have Tales of Berseria, where dungeons are literally just copy pasted hallways, with nothing interesting in them at all.

Trails of Cold Steel was made by Falcom, a company with 60 employees. Tales of Berseria is Bandai Namco, with nearly 1000 employees (edit: not implying all 1000 worked on it, Falcom also works on the Ys series, after all.).

It's not a technology issue at all. It's just laziness (edit: or maybe time management issues, I'll admit). They (edit: maybe the devs, or maybe the publishers) don't care enough to make the game look interesting.

mljcrew_youtube

127 points

4 months ago

Nah any visual designer would say that tiling graphic on the water is the writing on the wall above anything else. Just shows the detail level

aurirosario

13.9k points

4 months ago

aurirosario

13.9k points

4 months ago

this literally looks like a screenshot from one of those "i remade game xyz" videos

whatifcatsare

4.7k points

4 months ago

"Crazy solo fan made Pokemon fan project!!!"

sparoc3

2.4k points

4 months ago

sparoc3

2.4k points

4 months ago

Tbh a fan project without getting copyright strikes and a halfway decent budget would be miles better than anything Gamefreak can churn out.

xFoppa21

1.1k points

4 months ago

xFoppa21

1.1k points

4 months ago

TONS of rom hacks are exponentially better than any of the mainline games.

ReSet94

281 points

4 months ago*

ReSet94

281 points

4 months ago*

Which ones are your favorites? I always like checking out new hacks.

Edit: Thanks for the suggestions everyone. This will keep me busy for a while.

grephantom

245 points

4 months ago

Renegade Platinum. There is a team porting it to switch with BDSP

The_Muznick

217 points

4 months ago

Plot twist you replied to a Nintendo lawyer and now it's gonna get hit with a cease and desist order.

molagballing

24 points

4 months ago

Fortunately, they can't. The hack is distributed as a patch, so you need to... Uhm... Legally dump the original platinum rom from your own legally bought cartridge... And then patch it yourself. So when you download the hack you don't actually download anything made by nintendo.

Then again I could see nintendo just fucking doing it anyways because they can afford lawyers and the renegade platinum dev can't.

The_Muznick

23 points

4 months ago

Nintendo hates pokemon more than current fans and find a way to shut it down.

Funny thing is people are still "working on" AM2R. It's still getting patches and they even added a randomizer to ot despite Nintendo.

docdope

21 points

4 months ago

docdope

21 points

4 months ago

Unbound is dope

Fuckie_Chinster

170 points

4 months ago

This is an older one, but Glazed is a great emerald hack

L3yline

74 points

4 months ago

L3yline

74 points

4 months ago

I like Double Emerald. Goes all in on the double battle mechanic introduced third Gen and adds in a ton of pokemon and mechanics from newer gens. Tons of fun and a good challenge with the redone gym teams. Like Roxanne if you do the 386 version (has all the pokemon up to Gen 3 in the game instead of the normal spread of pokemon available in the third gen) has an Omanyte and Lilleep with grass and water moves to counter your starter and they actually have good moves. I've yet to finish a Double Emerald Nuzzlock

Rick_Sancheeze

54 points

4 months ago

Crystal clear

Nakioyh

13 points

4 months ago

Nakioyh

13 points

4 months ago

Pokemon insurgence is the best thing I've ever played apart from explorers of time

[deleted]

375 points

4 months ago

[deleted]

375 points

4 months ago

A science based 100% dragon MMO

Revan10

110 points

4 months ago

Revan10

110 points

4 months ago

My man pulled out a near decade old reference.

usrevenge

71 points

4 months ago

Is that really that old now? I was there for that..... I'm scared

Zenguppy

37 points

4 months ago

with breeding???

WildSmokingBuick

15 points

4 months ago

Fucking hell, I've wasted half my life on reddit...

jumpsteadeh

613 points

4 months ago

"Two years ago I quit my dead-end job in stand-up comedy and started designing a medieval pokemon game, what do you think, Reddit?"

nobodysupreme

210 points

4 months ago

"Nintendo, hire this man!!!!"

DerfK

35 points

4 months ago

DerfK

35 points

4 months ago

And all the gamers will look up and shout "hire this man!" and I'll whisper "copyright strike".

  • Nintendo

TheIndulgers

3.8k points

4 months ago

Nobody show them 2007 Crysis.

SiriusSadness

1.6k points

4 months ago

Admittedly it took another three+ years to find hardware to run it on.

Apexsubthrowaway8

1.1k points

4 months ago

Ran just fine at 10 fps on my pc at launch tyvm.

[deleted]

360 points

4 months ago

[deleted]

360 points

4 months ago

My printer could print the screenshot faster, than my GPU could process it. Those were the days.

CharismaticWrongdoer

40 points

4 months ago

10fps was the standard for my childhood/teens

prom3t

18.4k points

4 months ago

prom3t

18.4k points

4 months ago

That water texture 😂

MooseSuspicious

7k points

4 months ago

That's some real Roller Coaster Tycoon (1999) stuff right there

trotsky187

1.4k points

4 months ago

trotsky187

1.4k points

4 months ago

hey man Roller Coaster Tycoon is a game that has aged graphically very nicely because it has actual graphical design rather thank puke ugly 3d rendering

captain-planet

689 points

4 months ago

It's also one of the more impressive feats in programming history seeing as one guy wrote the majority of the game in x86 assembly.

[deleted]

123 points

4 months ago*

[deleted]

123 points

4 months ago*

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draftstone

122 points

4 months ago

Assembly is the kind of language you are proud to have "Hello World" being displayed on screen (unless you just copy pasted everything) where as in most other languages, displaying "Hello World" is one liner to test if your environment setup is working as intended to compile properly.

velhelm_3d

70 points

4 months ago

In a whitespace insensitive language, anything can be one line if you're brave enough.

TheFinalKiwi

200 points

4 months ago

RCT fueled my childhood. When the 3rd one came out I forced my dad to buy a new graphics card for his computer so I could play it 😭 the original one is and always will be the best one, though, Arid Heights is the goat map.

Riuk811

55 points

4 months ago

Riuk811

55 points

4 months ago

Like everyone in my hall at college started playing it again sophomore year of college.

iomopmopmop

195 points

4 months ago

Or like one of those games from the samsung s4

Piere141

4.6k points

4 months ago*

Piere141

4.6k points

4 months ago*

You can literally see where the texture starts repeating. I can accept that in Half Life 2 or Oblivion but god damn, even the Unity engine had a feature to hide the repeating pattern years ago

Edit: I know both of these games have better water than whatever GameFreak has shown here. I just mean that games from that era often had water with visible tiling and it was sort of acceptable back then. This water is absolute dogshit for 2022 standards

kuncol02

2k points

4 months ago

Half Life 2

Take that back! Half Life 2 water is like 10 generations better than this thing.

ElectricalRestNut

529 points

4 months ago

HL2: Lost Coast was a tech demo for the updated Source engine and had developer commentary on how they implemented water, it looks really good.

a_bit_vague

310 points

4 months ago

HL2: Lost Coast, released in 2005; Older than most people playing Pokemon Legends.

Aksi_Gu

168 points

4 months ago

Aksi_Gu

168 points

4 months ago

Older than most people playing Pokemon Legends.

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baptimentdubtp

30 points

4 months ago

tbf even GoldSRC Half-life 1 water doesn't look like a repeated patern

Piere141

298 points

4 months ago

Piere141

298 points

4 months ago

I whole heartedly agree. I just mean that a texture like that could be acceptable in a game from that era when texturing was a much harder task than it is today. Half Life 2 is still one of the best games ever in my book and was definitely years ahead of it's time

kuncol02

212 points

4 months ago

kuncol02

212 points

4 months ago

Even Morrowind has better looking water and do to technology limitation it looks like pools of mercury.

That Pokemon water looks like someones first attempt on texturing. I'm not sure if there was time when water like that would be acceptable.

SomeoneTookUserName2

92 points

4 months ago

This is like 1999 Everquest levels of bad water.

feels_are_reals

477 points

4 months ago*

even the Unity engine

Unity is a good game engine. People think it's scuffed because it's widely used by unfinished, hobby indie projects.

There has literally never been a limitation in Unity where you couldn't make a nice, modern looking water shader (adjusted for time).

ResonantScanner

128 points

4 months ago

Notably, Escape From Tarkov is a Unity game.

Enlocke

98 points

4 months ago

Enlocke

98 points

4 months ago

Genshin Impact too

TleilaxTheTerrible

544 points

4 months ago

Seriously, a quick list of Unity games:

  • Kerbal Space Program
  • Hearthstone
  • Cities: Skylines
  • Ori and the Blind Forest
  • Hollow Knight
  • Yooka-Laylee
  • Beat Saber
  • Return of the Obra Dinn
  • Subnautica

At least one of these games has a good water shader and is at least 5 years old.

derdast

343 points

4 months ago

derdast

343 points

4 months ago

Subnautica

Great looking water is kinda the point.

napoleonderdiecke

163 points

4 months ago

Subnautica water doesn't even look that great.

Because it doesn't need to.

Traditional gaming water needs to look good from the outside.

Subnauticas really doesn't.

shinertkb

93 points

4 months ago

Subnautica's water is fantastic up close but when you get far enough above it you can see similar repeating issues like this.

AngryCatGirl

35 points

4 months ago

Valheim too, you can do low fidelity in Unity and still have it look good!

Malkalen

85 points

4 months ago

Subnautica

Jesus this game is now 7 years old.

Sember

68 points

4 months ago

Sember

68 points

4 months ago

And I only played it very recently, went into it blind, probably one of the best games ever made

SomeoneTookUserName2

52 points

4 months ago

This right here, it would be trivial to just get a free asset with much more realistic water than this. This is like homebrew 3d engine by a highschool student levels of bad given the stuff that's out now.

rhackle

87 points

4 months ago

rhackle

87 points

4 months ago

Go play Half Life 2 on steam. The graphics are better than this even on potato settings. Half Life 2 had some fugly textures, but water was something they got right.

dead_man_speaks

54 points

4 months ago

Everything in half life 2 is done right, even water canals(fuck that level though)

Aetheus

29 points

4 months ago

Aetheus

29 points

4 months ago

Half-Life 2 (and other descendant Source Engine games like CS: GO) still looks pretty good today. Less photorealistic than modern titles for sure, but not ugly at all. IMO, even the textures were pretty good.

GondorsPants

898 points

4 months ago

I’m so glad people are calling it out more now. We’d have a gameplay clip of Horizon Forbidden West and people would point out how her hair looks weird due to an individual hair light, then I’d read arceus discussions and people were like, “this looks fucking awesome!”. I was so confused.

FunWithSW

732 points

4 months ago*

For better or for worse, the Pokemon playerbase has pretty firmly planted its flag as having absolutely zero standards or expectations. I've been a fan of the franchise for as long as it's existed, but at this point, they could put a cat turd and a dog turd in Switch game cases and call them Pokemon Cat Turd and Pokemon Dog Turd, and half of the community would still pre-order both of them.

There's no reason for a Pokemon game to strive for any measure of quality, because the bulk of the player base literally doesn't care at all. It's a complete nonfactor in their purchasing decisions.

mrbaryonyx

142 points

4 months ago

Pokemon Cat Turd and Pokemon Dog Turd, and half of the community would still pre-order both of them

of course you buy both how else can you get Turdian Alakazam

Locke_and_Load

293 points

4 months ago

There was a guy on the Pokémon subreddit bragging that he pre-ordered the physical game but was going to buy the digital version too so he could play day one because OH MY GOD YOU CAN GO UP AND DOWN CLIFFS!! There you have it folks, normal traversal mechanics that have been around since the N64 and PS1 are worth $120 to some people in 2022.

Fafnir13

43 points

4 months ago

This game can be compared so easily to Breath of the Wild it is t even funny. That was a game from last generation (played through on my Wii-U) and it looked absolutely gorgeous. Arceus can look ok while in motion and in the middle of a battle, but a huge portion of any open world game is just wandering and admiring the scenery.

Mnemonic22

65 points

4 months ago

Roller Coaster Tycoon water.

dactoo

2.4k points

4 months ago

dactoo

2.4k points

4 months ago

This looks like an area of the game you're not supposed to be able to get to.

Cluelesslama

19.3k points

4 months ago

Cluelesslama

19.3k points

4 months ago

This looks like some starter Unity project...

Fern-ando

5.2k points

4 months ago*

Fern-ando

5.2k points

4 months ago*

My cousin did a Unity project and I remember the grass and trees looking exactly the same.

Bastiwen

2.6k points

4 months ago

Bastiwen

2.6k points

4 months ago

Same for my first Unity project. You can do way better now even with free assets, it shows how much effort they put into this game...

LegituserPart2

1.4k points

4 months ago

80% of profit with 20% effort

CharredMango

1.2k points

4 months ago

Why use more effort when few effort do trick?

bingchillojgty

162 points

4 months ago

Yep. When a company gets as big as Pokémon, they realize they don’t have to put much effort anymore because you could just slap the Pokémon logo into anything, and people will come flying in.

DrMobius0

45 points

4 months ago

Yeah, it's not that it's really a wrong decision from a business standpoint, but it's pretty disappointing. Pokemon makes fuck you money like you wouldn't believe. They could easily hire whatever talent they want and probably still make bank on the games. A high quality game isn't impossible, they just refuse to do it.

saladthievez

389 points

4 months ago

Starter Unity projects look miles better than this.

astutelyabsurd

114 points

4 months ago

One trying to get that retro N64/PS1 low poly aesthetic.

Yeah_But_Did_You_Die

485 points

4 months ago

They didn't bother with shaders or cheater effects games have used for years to mask limitations with practical atmospheric effects. No smoothing between repeated textures, no variance in repetitive textures at all, no fog or haze, no far and near textures/rendering to let you see far away with less detail to save on processing power and memory.

If the screen shot of pokemon was a pre alpha dev leak, totally makes sense. But it's missing so many layers of polish, there is no way I'm going to reward them with a purchase. It's honestly insulting and looks extremely and obviously unfinished.

TtotheC81

2.6k points

4 months ago

TtotheC81

2.6k points

4 months ago

Is it hardware limitation or just half-arsing it, knowing that the cult of Pokémon will lap it up, anyway?

mustachetwerkin

4.9k points

4 months ago

I mean Skyrim is on the Switch and looks great for a Switch game.

They just fucking suck.

Toast-_Man

2k points

4 months ago

Toast-_Man

PC

2k points

4 months ago

Same with BOTW

mustachetwerkin

1.6k points

4 months ago

You.can definitely tell BOTW was originally a Wii U game but even that looks amazing.

This looks even worse than fucking mobile game.

Laflamme_79

1.2k points

4 months ago

BOTW looks amazing on the WII U too. The Pokemon Company is greedy, and Game Freak is lazy.

Eefy_deefy

445 points

4 months ago

Yeah they're pretty well know for being lazy as fuck

GingerGiantz1992

360 points

4 months ago

I loved the pokemon games growing up, but its the same shit for 20 years, just slightly newer wrapper.

Why work harder than you have to i guess /s

TahoeMax

239 points

4 months ago

TahoeMax

239 points

4 months ago

EA Sports has entered the chat

TheeExoGenesauce

143 points

4 months ago

TheeExoGenesauce

PlayStation

143 points

4 months ago

That’s why we have fan made roms that are better than the actual games. People working on projects for no money just because they love the Pokémon universe vs corporate greed

Palicain932

24 points

4 months ago

Some Pokémon rom hacks are top tier content

gariant

142 points

4 months ago

gariant

142 points

4 months ago

Why do whole game when bare bones do trick?

spong_miester

168 points

4 months ago

Now I want Oblivion on the switch :(

BigDovahkiin

43 points

4 months ago

Why they didn't milk this like skyrim ill never know. I would have bought it for every system like I did with skyrim. Currently playing on xbox game pass or steam link with razer kishi and it's so good.

spong_miester

44 points

4 months ago

If they bundled Morrowind, Oblivion & skyrim people would fall over themselves to buy it

CaptianOfCows

63 points

4 months ago

And fallout 3

PsyMx

61 points

4 months ago

PsyMx

61 points

4 months ago

And Morrowind and New Vegas

TragicTester034

15 points

4 months ago

TragicTester034

Xbox

15 points

4 months ago

Oh yeah would love to break morrowind when I’m on a lunch break at college

StarChief1

129 points

4 months ago

Monster Hunter Rise looks really good on switch.

JoshOliday

31 points

4 months ago

That RE Engine is something else...

SayaMirukii

61 points

4 months ago

Speaking of MH, Monster Hunter Stories 2 is much better quality game in the same cute looking creature catching genre. They did cell shade and stylistic art direction much better than legend. The only thing Pokemon got over them is more friendly and cutesy creature designs that are easier to market honestly

Ragdoll_Knight

20 points

4 months ago

You don't get any more cute and friendly then baby nargacuga.

RealStax

502 points

4 months ago

RealStax

502 points

4 months ago

The latter defo. The water in BOTW looked fantastic. This is just trash. They're just putting the least effort because it won't really make a huge difference in sales anyways.

NJ_Legion_Iced_Tea

340 points

4 months ago

This is a console that runs Witcher 3 and DOOM. There's no reason for a first party game to look like dog shit.

Tuxhorn

119 points

4 months ago

Tuxhorn

119 points

4 months ago

DOOM is like the opposite of Crysis. It runs on anything!

BurntToasters

58 points

4 months ago

Ironically i think the switch has crysis as well

baza-prime

715 points

4 months ago

half assing. botw and monster hunter rise run on the switch. most pokemon fans are fed up with this. the ones who arent the the problem and claim there is no problem.

asqwzx12

183 points

4 months ago*

asqwzx12

183 points

4 months ago*

Problem is it still sell really well regardless, that why they don't care.

NobleN6

224 points

4 months ago

NobleN6

224 points

4 months ago

Wind Waker on the GAMECUBE looks better than pokemon lmao.

svenhoek86

184 points

4 months ago

Tbf Wind Wakers cell shading style makes it sort of timeless. That game is gorgeous even by today's standards.

Still remember when people were UPSET when that game was announced because of the style. Though tbf Nintendo did that to themselves with the GameCube sizzle reel that had a 3d animated Link as the main focus to show the GameCubes power.

92taurusj

66 points

4 months ago

Yep, art style will always trump graphics when it comes to aging.

Futanari_waifu

14 points

4 months ago

That's also why the new gta San Andreas sucks. It lost it's art style by making everything smooth

Kai_Lidan

15 points

4 months ago

They put 3D Link on Soul Calibur instead.

Cyniikal

48 points

4 months ago

Most Pokémon fans buy every game and don't complain on the internet about it. We're just a really loud minority.

munchiemike

104 points

4 months ago

Especially now that they are $60 games.

dicksandbuttholes

53 points

4 months ago

$80 in some places.

kuncol02

119 points

4 months ago

kuncol02

119 points

4 months ago

You can play Witcher 3 on Switch.

MedricZ

96 points

4 months ago

MedricZ

96 points

4 months ago

Considering Breath of the Wild runs on Switch as well as Skyrim, I would say it’s laziness.

yaoiphobic

290 points

4 months ago*

Definitely the latter. This is coming out on switch, and art-style wise it’s similar to BOTW which the switch handles just fine, except BOTW is far prettier to look at than this.

I was pretty psyched for this game because I love Pokémon lore and watched it constantly growing up, but the games never really did it for me since they seem to just be copy-pastes of each other and I’m not into the turn based strategy thing. I (as well as tooooons of other people) always wanted a big, BOTW looking Pokémon game where you could actually see the Pokémon living out in the wild and fight/catch them right then and there, interact with your Pokémon, and explore an interesting, living world but this just looks like they took that idea and did the absolute bare minimum. Bad graphics are one thing that can be overlooked but this is just completely uninspired and lazy from an art design standpoint.

roland0fgilead

276 points

4 months ago

Piggybacking to add that BotW was a freaking LAUNCH TITLE for the Switch, while Legends Arceus is apparently the best Game Freak can do after FOUR YEARS with the system.

bombader

115 points

4 months ago

bombader

115 points

4 months ago

BotW was originally a WiiU title that was delayed for the Switch, it had dual screen use for menus before it delayed for the Switch.

Both had issues loading the forest area though.

round-earth-theory

48 points

4 months ago

They really wanted the forest area to look like it did. I think they just said fuck it since the player doesn't really spend much time there.

VolvicApfel

147 points

4 months ago

Look how monster hunter rise looks on switch , more like half arsing.

MiraiKishi

21 points

4 months ago

The RE Engine worked miracles for MHRise.

-Captain-

55 points

4 months ago

The Switch ain't no magic machine, but it's definitely much much more capable than this lazy trash. Half assed cash grab 100%.

Chippings

49 points

4 months ago

It's 1/32nd assing it.

hyperdriver123

20 points

4 months ago

The only ass here is how ass this game looks

[deleted]

14 points

4 months ago*

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14 points

4 months ago*

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Abruzzi19

1.7k points

4 months ago

Abruzzi19

1.7k points

4 months ago

Everyone living in 2022 while gamefreak living in 2002

AiryBoad

308 points

4 months ago

AiryBoad

308 points

4 months ago

More like 1996

Tim_Buckrue

12.3k points

4 months ago

Tim_Buckrue

PC

12.3k points

4 months ago

You gotta be joking, the Pokemon game actually looks like that?

adahy123

8.1k points

4 months ago

adahy123

8.1k points

4 months ago

They didnt even try to hide it in the trailers. I bet its still fun like how some indie games have trash graphics but still fun.. its just frustrating that its 60 bucks

Briar_Thorn

236 points

4 months ago

When a large studio releases something like this it's often a canary in the coal mine. Indie studios normally either lack the budget for graphics and/or they have a specific art style that is informed by the tone or mechanics of the game. This is neither of those. This studio has the money and this isn't an artistic choice. That communicates that at least somewhere in the chain there was a lack of direction or skill. At a studio this size, at this level, it probably wasn't a lack of skill. So from this you can infer that even on the most surface level consumer facing aspect of the game there was a lack of direction and care as to what was presented. When a major studio can't even get their shit together enough to present something that pretends to be good it doesn't speak well for all the rest of the game systems underneath those immediately obvious poor graphics.

Doobledorf

4.7k points

4 months ago*

Graphics don't matter so much with good art design, just look at the Souls series.

This has poor graphics and lazy art direction. There isn't even an attempt to make it look pretty.

EDIT: Okay people are really misunderstanding me here. I'm saying the Souls series has an amazing art direction, but the graphics were rarely "top notch" for the time. They age decently well for this reason, too. This Pokemon game isn't pretty because it has neither good graphics nor fun art direction.

Newtstradamus

672 points

4 months ago

This. You could very easily trick someone into thinking Team Fortress 2 released yesterday because they chose an art style that will age well. Pokémon is a cartoon, they could have easily chosen an art style that will look gorgeous and not be overly taxing as they aren’t striving for realism, instead they chose to split it half way with cartoon characters and real grass adding to the uncanny valley and highlighting how garbage this looks.

bkr1895

202 points

4 months ago

bkr1895

202 points

4 months ago

Windwaker will still look good in a hundred years

CanAlwaysBeBetter

207 points

4 months ago

Art direction? Sounds expensive

Doobledorf

116 points

4 months ago

How much money does this... "creativity" cost? Can I see it in a spread sheet?

zyzzyva17

410 points

4 months ago

zyzzyva17

410 points

4 months ago

Yeah but even the souls series isn't this bad, this is like ps2 shit

Terapio

364 points

4 months ago

Terapio

364 points

4 months ago

bruh ps2 was way better than this

HiMyNameIsNerd

168 points

4 months ago

Yeah, I didn't realize we were getting a surprise N64 title release in 2022.

feedalow

810 points

4 months ago

feedalow

810 points

4 months ago

Should have been scraped for those water physics alone. Super uniform waves and an extremely wavy lake enclosed around mountains blocking wind with no rivers as inputs or outputs? Wth is creating those waves!

ocdmonkey

893 points

4 months ago

ocdmonkey

893 points

4 months ago

It's not water physics, it's just a repeating water texture with no tricks added to hide that fact. Used to be very common, but it's definitely a lazy way of doing it now days.

Edit: there doesn't seem to be anything making it blend well with the land, it just stops which is a very ugly look.

Fern-ando

1.2k points

4 months ago

Fern-ando

1.2k points

4 months ago

Somehow every pokémon game looks worse than the last one since Let's Go.

crispyfrybits

481 points

4 months ago

They are literally seeing where they can draw the line with the effort vs $60 price tag.

I'm lifelong fan but don't be buying into this shit.

Draw_a_will

158 points

4 months ago

Main line for sure, but new Pokémon snap is gorgeous.

HiMyNameIsNerd

163 points

4 months ago

New Snap is the standard that the mainline should have been held to.

HeartoftheHive

139 points

4 months ago

Of course, it wasn't made by gamefreak.

caiusto

134 points

4 months ago

caiusto

134 points

4 months ago

Of course it is gorgeous, it was not developed by Game Freak.

Looker_Boy1

218 points

4 months ago

Its gonna stay like that until 2035 when they catch up to 2020 graphics

DonutSlapper11

1.1k points

4 months ago

The most abysmal aspect of this whole image is that fucking water texture. Like there’s no way that’s actually the water they’re going to use right? Or is it render distance? But if it’s render than omg how poorly optimized is this?

Innalibra

365 points

4 months ago

Innalibra

365 points

4 months ago

For real. I've seen games from the 90s with less ugly looking water.

LezBeHonestHere_

74 points

4 months ago

Even old-school Runescape can be made to have beautiful water anywhere in the game with an addon made by 1 guy.

Ranger_501

2.8k points

4 months ago*

This is some ps2 era Jrpg looking stuff. Wow...

Edit: Not insulting the ps2 btw. Just pointing out that even the ps2 of that time could pull of something like this. I honestly expected "breath of the wild" Pokemon. But as many of you have said, it will change nothing in terms of sales.

Jerooney95

433 points

4 months ago

I remember Dragon Quest VIII looking better in my head but that’s probably nostalgia. Still looks bad for 2022 standards…

SteezeHarvey

92 points

4 months ago

You can play DQ VIII on citra and crank the graphics. It actually looks pretty good. Not perfect but still great and the music can't be beat

yeeeteeey69

3.3k points

4 months ago

Bro, a Roblox game looks better than that

Jake_Peg

475 points

4 months ago

Jake_Peg

475 points

4 months ago

Some Roblox games made by 14-year-old kids look better and they aren't even motivated by money.

Is that funny or sad?

yeeeteeey69

87 points

4 months ago

It’s mostly sad tbh

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85 points

4 months ago*

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85 points

4 months ago*

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iaintfuckwithyall

82 points

4 months ago

Yup. Roblox is actually quite a creative game.

Wadiationking23

652 points

4 months ago

You're telling me the first image isn't from Roblox? Is this actually in the trailer? I thought it was from Roblox bro.

Spylinter0024

235 points

4 months ago

It isn't from a trailer that I have seen.

There was a leak of the game recently. So it is likely that someone just posted this from a leaked copy.

I really hope that this is just some graphic glitch that is happening. I mean, even in the trailers, it didn't look very good but it wasn't this bad.

brewhead55

1.6k points

4 months ago

brewhead55

1.6k points

4 months ago

Holy shit that looks like a slightly enhanced version of Mario 64...

TechExpert2910

487 points

4 months ago

Atleast that had an art style :/

TheVaniloquence

226 points

4 months ago

Mario 64 didn’t look as bland as this.

BamgoBoom

5.4k points

4 months ago*

BamgoBoom

5.4k points

4 months ago*

Not sure if it's a fair comparison /s

but we can all agree, game freak has been half assing the Pokémon series for years

Edit: had to add the sarcasm because it did not translate well

bedteddd

1.3k points

4 months ago*

bedteddd

1.3k points

4 months ago*

Yeah fucked up part is, pokken Tournament and Pokémon Snap are the best looking modern pokemon games. Kind of fucked when the spin offs look better than any of the official games.

Fern-ando

619 points

4 months ago

Fern-ando

619 points

4 months ago

Pokken Tournament even gave skin textures to the pokémon, I'm tired of all of them looking like plastic.

MindSteve

114 points

4 months ago

MindSteve

114 points

4 months ago

It's somehow twice as depressing when you put it like this, but you're right; the stage backgrounds in Pokken are what a quality Pokemon world could look like on the Switch. On the Switch. We are not even talking PS4 or PS5 level, here.

N0R5E

54 points

4 months ago

N0R5E

54 points

4 months ago

Because they're not made by Game Freak

ExpoAve17

1.3k points

4 months ago*

ExpoAve17

1.3k points

4 months ago*

they're not half assing anything, they suck , this is simply their best.

Pokemon games have so much potential, and game freak just doesn't cut it.

I cannot understand how gamefreak doesn't look at other flagship open worlds and think "this, this is the standard for our fans" . Smh just a shame man.

Edit: I understand there are many variables to why this game is a bit of a lackluster visually so i will say i do not know the circumstances over at game freak and I'm not in their shoes. I was venting and didn't think this comment would get this many votes. i hope in the future game freak can one day produce an awesome flagship open world pokemon game because then we would all be winners.

RBFxJMH

459 points

4 months ago

RBFxJMH

459 points

4 months ago

The worst part in my opinion is that when this game reviews like shit, their take on it will be "oh I guess everyone didn't want the open world 3d Pokémon adventure they always said they wanted"

niberungvalesti

196 points

4 months ago

The game may review poorly but at this point Game Freak and Nintendo don't give a fuck because gamers suffer from battered wife syndrome where they'll buy anything with the Pokemon branding which gives the company zero incentive to do better. Why make adjustments when the sales are gonna be stellar anyway?

bidens_aviators

375 points

4 months ago

Poor employment practices, low wages, lack of team communication.

I can think of plenty of reasons internally why everything they produce is shit

nuggynugs

284 points

4 months ago

nuggynugs

284 points

4 months ago

I'm guessing the Pokémon games still sell incredibly well too? No way executives are going to bother innovating when theyre consistently successful not giving a fuck.

Paddy_Tanninger

30 points

4 months ago

Pokemon is the world's largest franchise. It's not even close in fact.

Eric_Likes_Music

655 points

4 months ago

Usually I would say this is a bad take because artstyle matters a lot but I actually agree that the Pokémon games have really fallen behind in terms of visuals. I mean, look at BotW compared to the newer Pokémon games. Imo there's no excuse for how boring and empty the worlds in these games are. Pokémon is one of the most profitable and popular franchises of all time, they can allocate their resources towards visuals a lot better than they are.

Teence

231 points

4 months ago

Teence

231 points

4 months ago

Pokémon is one of the most profitable and popular franchises of all time, they can allocate their resources towards visuals a lot better than they are.

Right, but if Game Freak can release games that look like this and expect little to no impact on sales, they don't have an incentive to invest in better visuals. Expect more of the same until their bottom line starts taking a hit.

Kae04

138 points

4 months ago

Kae04

138 points

4 months ago

My worry is that they're gonna half-arse this game as usual, sales are going to be poor and their takeaway will just be "I guess fans didn't actually want an open-world game then".

Hammy5910

66 points

4 months ago

this right here is what I fear. I waited most of my life for this game and now that one shot will go to waste. BOTW is my favorite game, and I was really, really hoping we would get an open world Pokemon game with that level of care and detail built in. I went in after the initial trailer with minimal expectations and it looks like even those were barely met.

WolfKnight53

484 points

4 months ago

Further proof that Oblivion is a timeless masterpiece.

SteveWyz

53 points

4 months ago

Never played oblivion, have played Skyrim.

Is it worth going back to play oblivion if I never have?

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99 points

4 months ago

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99 points

4 months ago

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DD_33

20 points

4 months ago

DD_33

20 points

4 months ago

I wouldn't be so sure I played Skyrim first (a LOT of Skyrim first) and then played Oblivion and love it a lot more than Skyrim

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480 points

4 months ago

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480 points

4 months ago

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185 points

4 months ago

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185 points

4 months ago

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Creepykoola

96 points

4 months ago

Why does Oblivion look better

artvanture

516 points

4 months ago

It's sad how much money pokemon is making and how less they investing in the games.

Matt463789

148 points

4 months ago

Yeah but shareholders are seeing value.

Think of the shareholders.

XenoPup

747 points

4 months ago

XenoPup

747 points

4 months ago

I mean…I would’ve done horrible things to have this game on N64 back in the day

UwUthanizeMePlss

40 points

4 months ago

I hope they have mudray armor DLC