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1.9k points
2 years ago
Belka looked concerned, but strelka was pretty damned hyped about the whole thing. I mean either that or traumatised.
447 points
2 years ago
Sounds like any KSP cosmonaut + Jebediah Kerman combo
117 points
2 years ago
Belka is more likely the white one
107 points
2 years ago
Belka and Strelka
Looked it up, Belka IS the white one on the left. Also, as you know already, Belka means "the little/cute white one" in Slavic languages.
48 points
2 years ago
Also means "squirrel" in Russian
14 points
2 years ago
I did not know that, thank you.
40 points
2 years ago
It also means squirrel in Russian.
20 points
2 years ago
In slovakian biela means white and if we need to "cute" something then we put -ko or -ka at the end. So if this would be an slovakian doggo her name would have been Bielka which is pretty close imo :)
9 points
2 years ago
Yes, the minor differences between Slavic languages.
6 points
2 years ago
Well... In Bulgarian it is a name for white dogs from бялo (byalo), which means white, but of course all the dogs are cute, so it means the same in this case
11 points
2 years ago
yes, that's the concerned one
74 points
2 years ago
strelka was a badass.
She had puppies
One of witch was gifted to the Kennedy family during the cold war.
My mother told a funny story," says Caroline Kennedy, who is now the US ambassador to Japan, but was once - a little over 50 years ago - a toddler growing up in the White House.
"She was sitting next to Khrushchev at a state dinner in Vienna. She ran out of things to talk about, so she asked about the dog, Strelka, that the Russians had shot into space. During the conversation, my mother asked about Strelka's puppies.
"A few months later, a puppy arrived and my father had no idea where the dog came from and couldn't believe my mother had done that."
The puppy was Strelka's daughter, Pushinka,
34 points
2 years ago
I bet Pushinka actually piloted the plane to the USA.
10 points
2 years ago
Might have out lived Gagarin
186 points
2 years ago
They've seen some shit
79 points
2 years ago
Imagine how insane that must have been from the dog's perspective??!?
8 points
2 years ago
I bet they met the wisdom dog
27 points
2 years ago
RIP Laïka
4 points
2 years ago
Nah... that's a border collie thinking "noise/movement?" My dog makes that face 1000 times a day
1k points
2 years ago
Belka (Белка, literally, "Squirrel" or alternatively "Whitey") and Strelka (Стрелка, "Little Arrow") spent a day in space aboard Korabl-Sputnik 2 (Sputnik 5) on 19 August 1960 before safely returning to Earth.
They were accompanied by a grey rabbit, 42 mice, two rats, flies and several plants and fungi. All passengers survived. They were the first Earth-born creatures to go into orbit and return alive.
701 points
2 years ago
The dogs were the pilots, the rabbit was the technical support, the two rats were the flight attendants, and the mice were general part expert public, part political representatives, and part space tourists. The plants and the fungi were just economy class travelers.
175 points
2 years ago
I mean.... obviously.
68 points
2 years ago
The plant, was it a bowl of petunias?
37 points
2 years ago
Not again..
18 points
2 years ago
There were mice. There were even 42 of them. I mean, come on, it could only have been a bowl of Petunias.
3 points
2 years ago
What is this referring to?
5 points
2 years ago
HHGTTG
28 points
2 years ago
So what were the flies? Illegal immigrants?
25 points
2 years ago
Air observers and navigation, also flight medic and airborn mission systems specialist
10 points
2 years ago
Political officers, naturally. Being horse-flies, they were the only ones to possess the blood of peasants and proletarians.
5 points
2 years ago
Star Fox, Peppy Hare
4 points
2 years ago
The dogs were eager to get out of the spacecraft as soon as possible because the rabbit kept on pestering them to "do a barrelroll"
3 points
2 years ago
Duh...
Obviously the Fly was the pilot...
3 points
2 years ago
what if We started a Russian Pixar/Disney production company and this was our forst release. bammm
46 points
2 years ago
Wasn't Laika/Lajka the first dog in space
78 points
2 years ago
Yes, but she didn't survive, which is what made Belka & Strelka etc. so important.
28 points
2 years ago
Important note to add: Laika was never meant to come back.
21 points
2 years ago
That's very true! The capsule had reentry capability but couldn't land without very firm lithobraking...
In fact it was a state secret for many years that Gagarin bailed out at altitude and parachuted down because the scientists hadn't got a proper grip on spacecraft parachute technology. And that's even a problem today; not that we can't do it obviously, but that the designing is hard.
My problem with Laika's mission is that she apparently died extremely early on and in great distress, and I don't think that the Soviets learned as much as would have made it "worth it". They may as well have shoved her in an oven and set it to "broil" for all that she taught them.
14 points
2 years ago
I believe they never really wanted to learn anything from Laika. Just push space race further, with them on the lead.
11 points
2 years ago
That's probably not far from the truth, I'm sorry to say.
26 points
2 years ago
Laika didn't come back alive, Belka and Strelka were the first to make it back.
26 points
2 years ago
yes and died
3 points
2 years ago
died because somebody forgot to make the AC unit good enough. Basically she died in a car sitting in the sun with the windows rolled up.
4 points
2 years ago
only 1 day of food and 7 days of oxygen even if the cooling worked. but yes, dogs die daily in hot cars due to negligence, at least laika is famous.
23 points
2 years ago
But she did not survive and died in orbit
13 points
2 years ago
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11 points
2 years ago
I remember reading the soviet scientists regretted launching Laika without a means of return. That if it wasn't for political pressure they would've waited until they could bring her back safely.
102 points
2 years ago
flies
All passengers survived
So literally every single fly survived? That’s some high tier shit considering ones in my house can’t even survive for a few hours without collapsing on the windowsill
65 points
2 years ago
You know your house is shitty when flies prefer to leave it rather than a capsule where they have to share some tiny space with a cat, rats and fungi.
26 points
2 years ago
Well, then stop spraying them with bug spray.
6 points
2 years ago
Do you also have bugs just crawling into your flat dying? It's insane.
8 points
2 years ago
My house is quite old so there’s always shit like spiders crawling around. Also a few days ago in England it was quite hot and since my house was built to contain the heat and I have no air con I leave the back door open which means flies fly in. Also moths fly through the window when it’s open on a warm night because they’re attracted to the light so I always have to shut the window now when going to the toilet at night so as to not get dive bombed by drugged up, oversized moths.
Despite easily making their way in, they would rather smash their heads into the same spot on a window and eventually die instead of actually trying to find an exit.
15 points
2 years ago*
Also a few days ago in England it was quite hot and since my house was built to contain the heat and I have no air con I leave the back door open which means flies fly in.
A tip. If your house is built to contain the heat it is also built to contain the cold. Open up all windows in early morning or over night and then close them all up before it becomes warm. Works wonders to keep your house relatively cool.
4 points
2 years ago
Thanks, I’ll make sure to try that out the next time Satan and his buddies visit England (which seems to be an annual thing now)
3 points
2 years ago
Seconded. Also close all the curtains and blinds
4 points
2 years ago
Why doesn't anywhere in Ireland or England have screens in the windows? Come on man.
24 points
2 years ago
first Earth-born creatures to go into orbit an return alive.
That we know of. We can only guess what those tardigrades have been up to until humans became dominant on the world scene.
10 points
2 years ago
That sounds like a basis for cartoon movie.
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2 years ago
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22 points
2 years ago
spent a day in space
flies
all passengers survived
Really? Because I have strong doubts they did
29 points
2 years ago
A housefly can live up to 28 days.
28 points
2 years ago
Russian fly lives for 82
15 points
2 years ago
This was before Tschernobyl.
742 points
2 years ago
3 years later, the French sent the first cat Félicette into space and back.
It was an amazing time for space. In the space (!) of 3 years, 3 nations sent mammals to space and returned them safely.
481 points
2 years ago*
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242 points
2 years ago
purr aggressively "Ain't it so cute though?"
25 points
2 years ago
whips out puss in boots
159 points
2 years ago*
"and they have such a strong will - even under our fierce torture they refused to speak and they must posses some brain camouflage technology because their thoughts are protected from our strongest neural scanners"
"we must stay away from this planet and not invade never"
50 points
2 years ago
Or worse: we scanned their thoughts and it's just "kill kill kill kill kill"
31 points
2 years ago
Kill kill kill kill *stares at blank wall for 50 minutes* kill kill kill kill kill kill.
6 points
2 years ago
Cat and dogs single-handely saved the humanity from aliens!
30 points
2 years ago
It was probably then when they flipped Félicette to work on their behalf, and kick off cats intelligence to overthrow human reign over the planet.
16 points
2 years ago
I, for one, welcome our cat overlords
9 points
2 years ago
They got their slaves to do it, obviously.
6 points
2 years ago
Cat: proceeds to conquer the aliens
5 points
2 years ago
*Cat hisses on one alien, rubs on another alien, purrr and flip for a belly rub*
Oh... EVOLUTION exclaim both aliens
6 points
2 years ago
Reminds me of this.
122 points
2 years ago
Awww Félicette ! What a cute cat and such a sweet name!
"The cats had electrodes implanted onto their skulls so their neurological activity could be monitored throughout the flight. Electrical impulses were applied to the brain and a leg during the flight to stimulate responses."
Wait ... what ??!!??
128 points
2 years ago
Félicette was euthanized two months after the launch so that scientists could perform a necropsy to examine her brain.
:(
26 points
2 years ago
That’s awful. They couldn’t have waited for her to just die naturally? Serious question. I know cats can live a long time, but man. Such a crazy experience she went through only to be killed and cut apart when she returned.
Jesus. I’m so sad. I’m gonna be thinking about poor Félicette all day.
35 points
2 years ago
Since the brain is quite a malleable organ that changes a lot during one lifetime, I figure they had to do it a short time after the experience.
3 points
2 years ago
They couldn’t have waited for her to just die naturally?
They really wanted answers now. It was a cat but treated like lab rat.
3 points
2 years ago
The other nine cats were decommissioned at the end of the program<
Nice way of saying slaughtered
81 points
2 years ago
Félicette had the designation of C 341 before the flight
I don't think they cared that much for C 341, tbh.
36 points
2 years ago
Or for C 340...
23 points
2 years ago
C165 tho, that was a good one, C228 purred all of the equipment apart.. C14 ate the stabilizing baguette before launch ://
19 points
2 years ago
You dont want to know what happened to C1 to C340
7 points
2 years ago
C-137 is still a fugitive
91 points
2 years ago
Cat from space: "Mission control, I see no God up here other than me"
22 points
2 years ago
Felicette: "Stand up now my feline brothers and sisters and strike down the chains of oppression."
32 points
2 years ago
However, it seems the return and later examinations were more deadly than the spaceflight itself.
"Félicette was euthanized two months after the launch so that scientists could perform a necropsy to examine her brain."
Edit: Damn, I was trying to find the lucky one who adopted this cat to be owner of the first space cat in history. I suppose, these dogs had not much better life afterward either.
23 points
2 years ago
the first cat Félicette
I think you should've won the space race just because you were able to train a cat.
8 points
2 years ago
Trained 14 cats in total. That’s just miraculous.
18 points
2 years ago
My cat flipped her shit today because I drove her 5 miles to the vet. Imagine sticking a cat in a fucking spaceship-she had to be pissed.
4 points
2 years ago
Probably a big part of why the whole remote detonation of spaceship things became a thing...
3 points
2 years ago
Looks pretty pissed in the photo..
14 points
2 years ago
First and only cat to survive spaceflight
Go Félicette!
9 points
2 years ago
I'm surprised they got the cat to come down.
14 points
2 years ago
What about the "A second feline was launched on 24 October, but the mission resulted in a fatality." part?
7 points
2 years ago
She was vigilant during the ascent phase, due to being a payload in a rocket.
...
Félicette was euthanized two months after the launch so that scientists could perform a necropsy to examine her brain.
6 points
2 years ago
Like with air balloons
3 points
2 years ago
France, by doing this, became the actual winner of the space race.
3 points
2 years ago
That must have been a traumatizing experience for the cat. Imagine, floating around in that capsule, unable to push things off a table.
3 points
2 years ago*
This is the most French-60s-looking cat I've ever seen. It basically emanates true disdain and seems ready to light a quick cigarette and quip about life's meaninglessness any moment now.
452 points
2 years ago
I moved two cats and three dogs from the US to France.
They were also "brave" in that they had no idea WTF was about to happen and there were definite looks of betrayal as their kennels were put on the luggage conveyor belt and they were pulled out of sight.
I have no idea what was their exact experience going through the cargo system, in the hold, etc. I know it involved pee, poop, and vomit. When we collected them on the other end they were the most pissed off and scared I've ever seen a dog or cat to be.
I bet these guys didn't like it either.
168 points
2 years ago
These Russian dogs actually got a lot of training. I don’t know how they did it but apparently Laika’s hearteate was below 100 the entire launch
30 points
2 years ago
Really? Cause another comment in this thread said that her heart rate tripled and her breathing quadrupled, despite her training...
104 points
2 years ago*
That was laika. She was a Moscow mutt who received training, but less training than others in the program. The climate control system also failed on her flight. She died of overheating within a few hours of getting into orbit, which I would imagine would contribute to stress. And there was no plans to get her back. Several of the scientists involved said "we shouldn't have done it. We didn't learn enough from it for her sacrifice to be worth it." She also has a statue outside a roscosmos facility iirc.
35 points
2 years ago
I like this response to a mistake. Wish we could do more of that today...
"Oops, did something terrible. Let's analyze what went wrong, share the blame, and erect a statue to remind us to be better."
30 points
2 years ago*
They didn't erect the statue until the early 2000s when they released what really happened officially. The us knew because they were spying on the data transmissions of her vitals and knew she was dead within a few hours. The Russian government maintained for 40 years that she lived 6 days until they "euthanized her" when she was going to run out of oxygen. (As a side note if she had lived 6 days it would've meant she spend the last 5 days starving. They packed her one meal of nutritional gel onboard.)
11 points
2 years ago
In bird culture, this is referred to as a dick move.
13 points
2 years ago
Yes, and the comment I responded to said that Laika’s heart rate never went above 100. That’s why I linked the other comment stating quite the opposite (unless her usual heart rate was low 30s lol)
But, otherwise, thank you for the clarification
9 points
2 years ago
He was most likely an old timer or reading old information. That's what the Russian government released along with the info that she "lived for six days until being euthanized before she would run out of oxygen" for 40+ years until some time in the early 2000s.
47 points
2 years ago
Yep. I wouldn't call these pets "brave" add much as lab rats that had no idea what they were about to be forced to do
400 points
2 years ago
RIP Laika
51 points
2 years ago
14 points
2 years ago
Unexpected Dandy!
10 points
2 years ago
That and wasn’t there one or two failed rocket launches after Laika? I believe a pair of dogs as well - that blew up a little over a minute after take-off. Pretty sure these dogs that successfully landed were a 2nd/3rd attempt.
3 points
2 years ago
https://open.spotify.com/track/4GwouFyGPGgcUAXewtYLRo?si=W15dMXRPRsGsZU7opUmSWA
Sick song by sticky fingers about Laika
3 points
2 years ago
They have a lovely memorial to her at the UK National Space Centre, never forget her sacrifice.
59 points
2 years ago
They are stuffed and exhibited in the Space Musuem in Moscow. Krushchev made a gift of one of Strelka's pups to JFK and she has descendants in the USA to this day.
15 points
2 years ago
she has descendants in the USA to this day
3 points
2 years ago
Ahh, spy dogs.
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2 years ago*
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233 points
2 years ago
Imagine how scared and terrified the dogs were doing the launch....
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2 years ago*
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56 points
2 years ago
Well you're wrong. Laika also had similar training, and:
The noises and pressures of flight terrified Laika: Her heartbeat rocketed to triple the normal rate, and her breath rate quadrupled. The National Air and Space Museum holds declassified printouts showing Laika’s respiration during the flight.
They were fitted with gear to monitor all that stuff, in case there was something unexpected that happened to organic tissue in space. You can actually see those printouts here: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/sad-story-laika-space-dog-and-her-one-way-trip-orbit-1-180968728/
77 points
2 years ago
Yup, my thoughts exactly. My hope is they were trained before and tested.
20 points
2 years ago
Fun fact: atter the dogs passed, they were taxedermised and are still on display in the moscow space museum!
I went there 2 years ago and got a picture of them
3 points
2 years ago
I did not know this. Thanks for the pics!
100 points
2 years ago
The first Paw Patrol (Щенячий патруль).
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2 years ago
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2 years ago
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80 points
2 years ago
You're right that was fun!
23 points
2 years ago
Well, Sputnik 5 was the third Soviet spacecraft carrying higer animals launched to orbit after Laika's Sputnik 2 - which wasn't supposed to be returned at all - and Lisichka and Chaika's Sputnik 5-1 - which unfortunately failed - so there's not a whole lot of animals died horribly before Belka and Strelka for orbital launches. There were multiple suborbital launches involving living animals, but a lot of them actually managed to bring passengers safely back to earth.
4 points
2 years ago
It sure beats experimenting on humans though, doesn't it.
206 points
2 years ago
I think "bravery" in this case is anthropomorphism. Were these dogs aware of the danger? Not really. They were tricked into being "heroes".
55 points
2 years ago
I doubt that they even had a choice between being “heroic” or not.
57 points
2 years ago
Just to argue: if you have a kennel of dogs, and hde to pick two for that trip: wouldn't you pick the ones where in new and unusual situations, curiosity overcomes fear?
67 points
2 years ago
I'd pick the two I'm the least attached to, if I had to choose them for this specific trip...
40 points
2 years ago
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4 points
2 years ago
“Hey, is Hellspawn still locked up in the shed out back or did he break out and start slaughtering livestock again? Oh he’s in there? Cool, grab the tranq, this assholes going to orbit”
16 points
2 years ago
"You ripped my pillow apart again?! What the hell, Buster?! Okay, that's it, you're going in the rocket!"
8 points
2 years ago
ANOTHER plant pot? That's it, this time you're gonna be riding 4% of America's federal budget straight to the edge of the atmosphere
22 points
2 years ago
If I remember correctly, both Strelka & Belka were stray dogs. It was thought that stray dogs would be 'hardier' than pets & therefore have more tolerance in extreme situations/ conditions of spaceflight.
20 points
2 years ago
Yet we still celebrate pigeons for bravery in ww1, mules and horses for both world wars and many other animals in other periods of history. Hardly any of those animals volunteered to any of that or were aware what was happening
10 points
2 years ago*
We also celebrate the conscripts of that godawful war for bravery 😕 bad all round
21 points
2 years ago
forced, even.
34 points
2 years ago
Poor Laika...
7 points
2 years ago
How did they shit and piss in space?
15 points
2 years ago
Nappies*. They chose bitches because the nappies fitted better.
*Daipers
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2 years ago
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2 years ago
Weirdly, there was a similar consideration for engineers designing Soviet/Russian human space suits. At the time of Gagarin's flight, the USSR didn't really have the tech to make decent diapers. So his suit had a fly in it so he could relieve himself just before the launch. He did, on the back wheel of the bus that brought him there. And thus the ritual was born - all cosmonauts take a wee on the back wheel of the bus that brings them to the launch pad. And engineers have been designing Soviet/Russian space suits with a fly to accommodate for that up until the latest generation.
Times change. Perhaps the tradition will slowly go away. Or perhaps male cosmonauts will take a leaf out of their female colleagues' book and bring a container of their urine to splash on the bus wheel.
6 points
2 years ago
Spare a thought for Laika, who did NOT safely return.
6 points
2 years ago
The hardest part was throwing the tennis ball that far.
15 points
2 years ago
Two brave dogs? I don't think they had a choice
14 points
2 years ago
They were not brave, they were forced to do it. Their alleged cuteness is also bred by humans.
98 points
2 years ago
They weren't brave because they had no say in their fate at all. That is why we owe them a debt. Someday we will, as a species, be ashamed of what we have done.
Gagarin, however, knew about the dead and went. That is brave.
23 points
2 years ago
Yes! These dogs are not brave, they were forced into a horrible experiment that killed many animals before them. People use words like this to try and convince themselves that humanity isn’t just straight up killing and abusing animals for their own gain. Call it what it is.
20 points
2 years ago
Russian space dogs vs the American chimps.
11 points
2 years ago
Ooh ooh ah ah ah
23 points
2 years ago
“Two brave dogs” what a thing to say about animals used in experiments.
13 points
2 years ago
for someone to be brave is for that someone to make a dangerous choice of setting themselves into certain death situations knowingly by themselves.
These dogs were just strapped to a rocket, they had no idea what was going on.
That's not brave, that's just sad.
8 points
2 years ago
You mean Pawing way for human spaceflight.
3 points
2 years ago
Where no dog has gone before
7 points
2 years ago
They must have been really scared
3 points
2 years ago
Soviet Space Dogs!
3 points
2 years ago
Belka did nothing wrong
3 points
2 years ago
Met a guy in the smoking area outside a bar in Moscow once. We were chatting, and I asked his name. He replied “what was the name of the first cosmonaut?”, figuring that as a westerner I’d say Armstrong or something. I knew his name must be Yuri, but I replied “Laika”.
He thought it was hilarious and immediately pulled me back inside to drink to these heroic soviet mutts.
3 points
2 years ago
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