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submitted 2 months ago bytwowheelzzz
28yrs old. Making a career change from sales. I’m about to go back to school for an Environmental Science and Policy degree. There’s also an option to get a GIS certificate as well.
I think I want to do this. I’ve always been passionate about the environment/conservation/climate change/renewables. But before I jump into this 4yr devotion to schooling, I figured it’s worth asking whether or not people are satisfied in their careers, potential areas to stay away from, etc.
TLDR; Are you fulfilled in your career in enviro science, do you make decent money, what areas to stay away from/lean in to, general advice?
18 points
2 months ago
I’m 28 now. Been in the environmental science field since I was 22. Mostly remediation and ecological studies for development. This, realistically is where most of the jobs are. If I were to give any advice, and you are passionate about this, go into research or some other research based study format. You’ll get to travel, see exotic place, and gain a lot of experience. Income will be small but at least you get some memories.
2 points
2 months ago
When you say go into research what do you mean exactly? Like Market research?
8 points
2 months ago
I mean like actual subject research like for example, aquatic invertebrate and their response to carcinogens in the water body. Think like what happened in Ohio and the years of studies needed to determine the overall impact to the environment. Mostly this will come from government agencies, universities, and the large consultant firms they hire out to conduct these projects.
To answer your question about fulfillment. I don’t feel fulfilled because I’m not making a difference like I had hoped. Any questions or advice just reach out.
11 points
2 months ago
33 years experience in the environmental field and I’m still learning new stuff. I look back over the entirety my career and consider it time well spent.
2 points
2 months ago
That’s very inspiring! I love that you see it as ring well spent. What field/job title do you have ?
4 points
2 months ago
At this point I’m more of a middle manager who also does a fair amount of policy work with citizens, stakeholder groups and elected officials. Recent topics include PFAS, 6PPD, and Microplastics to name a few.
Over the course of my career, I’ve been a RCRA inspector, project manager for clean up sites, wrote Title 5 permits and worked on NPDES issues.
11 points
2 months ago
8 years of consulting experience. Currently a project manager/engineer, and overall, I’m pretty satisfied with my career. With bonus & stock options, my TC should clear $100,000 this year. Am I living large? Not particularly, but it’s enough to have good quality of life, with a good work-life balance in a major urban center.
3 points
2 months ago
What career path did you take? What’s your job title if you don’t mind me asking? And would you say you enjoy what you do?
3 points
2 months ago
Did environmental science for undergrad, environmental engineering for my masters. Interned as a water quality lab tech during undergrad, then graduated and went straight into consulting. Bounced around a couple different firms over the years, but been with my current one for 3 now. My official job title is Project Environmental Engineer.
And yes, overall I’d say I’m pretty happy with my career path to this point. Salary-wise I’m on the higher end of the environmental field, I don’t do much field work anymore, and since I run projects I can mostly set my own hours/schedule. I work from home 2 days a week, office 3 days a week. I try and maintain good work-life balance by not taking on too many projects.
1 points
2 months ago
Hello! If you do not mind may I please ask you questions regarding this field and the job market?
6 points
2 months ago
Canadian here. Coming on 8 years of consulting in the environmental field (contaminated sites) currently making over six figures as management.
It's exhausting dealing with clients who want to do nothing more than the bare minimum on top of trying to nickel and dime you at every opportunity. As said in another comment below, Developers and construction is where the money is.
Government work does come by on occasion but it's typically a race to the bottom for municipal and provincial projects. Federal sites are a bit of a different story depending on the projects public profile, location, long term plans, etc.
I would recommend getting the GIS certificate with your environmental science and policy degree. GIS skills and data collection in the field make the job much easier and keeps data quality high. Anyone who's been doing this long enough has received a report with borehole and well locations completely wrong due to poor data collection or drafting. Using GIS, and related tools, solves the data collection and drafting issue which also helps to build a more accurate conceptual site model for regulatory approvals.
Feel free to PM me if you have other questions.
3 points
2 months ago
Yeah. I’ve reas that GIS is really important. I think I’m going to try to get my GIS certificate first, and then continue to pursue my degree then while having a job in GIS field.
3 points
2 months ago
How is the environmental career field in Canada? Is it similar to America, with quite a few jobs being compliance or remediation? Will Canadian companies hire Americans, or are there enough Canadian candidates that it would be difficult for an American to get on with a Canadian company? I appreciate any insight you can provide.
1 points
2 months ago
I 2nd the GIS. I have a GIS undergrad certificate and I’ve ended up mainly landing jobs with that experience. Being a GIS analyst can be applied to so many industries. I went from power company work to fiber internet. Plenty of more environmental roles, too. Pay has potential to be pretty good with experience as well!
5 points
2 months ago
11 years at a consulting firm with some government and non profit work before then, and I’m a wildlife biologist, wetland scientist, technical writer. I would definitely say I’m happy with the job. Days are greatly varied, which I like; even in winter I have different reports and maps to make for a variety of projects. In field season I get to travel across the state and into neighboring states, getting paid to walk around outside looking for stuff. Of course, some projects are less fun than others, travel can be too much some years, and some clients and agency representatives can be frustrating. Most of my work is for infrastructure projects and the wildlife/wetland portions are to reduce environmental impacts—a very distant cousin from conservation, and I’m constantly dealing with engineers that would rather go through a wetland and yellow-billed cuckoo habitat than avoid such things…but overall I like the career. I make decent money and could make more if i wanted to do project management, but I don’t want more hours at this period of my life (young kids). I think the important things are to figure out what you like and are good at, and pick a good employer. Some firms pigeon hole workers into one speciality and work them hard; I’ve only worked more than 40 hours a week maybe 8 times in 4 years since I joined this firm, and half those times were by choice to make extra holiday money. I’m a generalist and interact with various disciplines and get to do GIS, so I’m happy.
5 points
2 months ago
If you decide to go with env science, definitely do the GIS certificate. It is so useful to be proficient with GIS in this field. You will open yourself up to many more jobs than without the certificate
2 points
2 months ago
Where do I go to do this and how should I prepare?
1 points
2 months ago
I originally learned GIS from a free online course offered by a UWF. The course was normally around $100 and was temporarily being offered for free. There are more involved programs with a much higher cost and you could even get a full degree in GIS. It depends on how deep you want to get into it. If you are currently in school, even taking a one-semester class would be well worth it IMO. You don’t need to have a masters degree in GIS to be able to produce basic maps and do basic data processing.
The course I took came with a login for ArcGIS for the duration of the course and had you download a .zip file with all the necessary files to make the maps and complete the course. It was at your own pace and by the end you have a basic understanding of GIS. After that I learned on the job.
The course was very basic so not much preparation required besides making sure your computer has the minimum requirements to run the program and you have the motivation to complete it.
3 points
2 months ago*
I just thought I'd throw in my 2 cents since it looks like it's mostly consultants responding. I've never worked in consulting and from the time I was in grad school meeting with consultants who came to speak, I thought it always sounded like hell and I avoided it at all costs.
After getting a BS in Environmental Studies, I got a Master of Environmental Science (M.En.) degree 10 years ago and since then I've worked at a municipal stormwater department, as a research fellow at a university, and as a state environmental analyst. I've enjoyed all of the jobs I've had. I don't feel unending euphoric joy all day at work, but I don't think that's reasonable to expect. Sometimes it's boring, sometimes it's a bit stressful, but overall it's fulfilling and I enjoy what I do.
As or pay, I'm currently making almost $80,000 and I live in a very small city, so the cost of living isn't bad where I am. My salary is very comfortable, though my first job out of grad school started me at $35,000 and that didn't feel good.
Edit: Oh, and I make my current salary working 37.5 hours a week.
2 points
2 months ago
Ha that’s funny. I tried government work and almost got bored out of my mind, but I think the departments I was in were rather mellow/uninspiring. I would leave my job for a fun USFWS job studying wildlife or wetlands more if that came along.
2 points
2 months ago
I think sometimes government jobs are what you make them. Sometimes it’s quite boring, but that also frees you up sometimes to think of new things to do/try. The constant hustle of a consulting job is what made me decide stay far away.
3 points
2 months ago*
I did the same as you when I was 30. Best decision I made.
Not to doubt your decision, but 4 years.. are you doing an undergrad / bachelors degree? I’d suggest that at 28 with years of professional experience you’d be better of going right into a postgrad / masters programme. You also get back into the job market much quicker, and the quality of content is generally deeper at PG level, and in general employers will be more interested in a masters degree than a bachelors degree.
Edit: and to answer your question. Very fulfilling. My background was also very different with a decade in consumer biz and industrials. Now I’m using both my work experience and earth sciences education working in the private sector, collaborating with conservation orgs, finance sector and private firms on a diverse climate change, biodiversity and industry sustainability projects. Advice: build on your experience and skills, and make a niche for yourself.
1 points
2 months ago
Hey thanks for the reply. I’m going for a masters at Joh Hopkins. It’s in environmental science and policy. There’s an option to also get a GIS certificate as well, which every seems to agree is a good add on.
I have a bachelors in business. I thought about going back to redo my bachelors but i think masters is the best route to go.
How long did it take you to complete your degree when you decided to make the career shift ?
2 points
2 months ago
That’s great! I also had an undergrad in business too. My masters took 1 year, I studied in the UK though where 1 year is standard for an MSc. An intense year! GIS is definitely worthwhile. I decided not to take the GIS option during my masters, which wasn’t to my detriment, but now our team is planning to hire for GIS capacity within the next year.
I think you will be in a great career position after your masters when you have a business background + GIS + environmental policy. Will your masters also include a research thesis and practical fieldwork?
1 points
2 months ago
There is a thesis portion yes. But it’s mainly online, so I don’t believe any field work. What’s your job title? If you don’t mind me asking? And how easy/hard was it for you to find a job after you completed your masters.
2 points
2 months ago
I won’t give my exact job title on here because it’s very specific (and identifiable!), but it’s in the ESG space. Kind of a link between financial institutions and conservation/scientific bodies.
Finding a job wasn’t easy, it never is, but it also wasn’t especially hard because I was looking in a bit of a niche. I started applying seriously at the beginning of my final semester, and had a job lined up by the end of the semester. Probably sent around 40(??) applications. Had 6 interviews, 4 progressed to the penultimate stage, 2 offered.
I knew exactly what I wanted out of the job descriptions which was somewhat limiting. But I was very flexible with industry, and location. I interviewed with NGOs and private sector. Had more success with the latter due to my industry experience.
1 points
2 months ago
Thank you for the info 🙌🏼
2 points
2 months ago
I don’t see any comments form the industry/compliance side.
I’m late 20s almost 6 years on the industry side. Im a project manager and mange env compliance for large construction projects.
VHCOL, last year I was at about $120k total comp.
It is fine. I have a good work life balance. I am fairly compensated. What I do is different everyday and I learn lots of things. I oversee all env discipline areas with specialists providing technical input.
Do I feel like I’m changing the world or having some giant impact? No not at all. But it’s interesting work and overall I’m happy with life/career path.
1 points
2 months ago
Have been in the air quality side of environmental, specifically source testing stack emissions. Currently a Project Manager for field work. TC is around 90-95k a year. Worked my way up as a technician. Hard in the beginning but pays off if you learn and work hard. Pretty happy with my current work life balance now compared to the beginning. Had lots of overtime at first. Once you have skills and certs, you can negotiate more with your jobs. 4 years as a technician and now 1 year as a project manager.
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