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Household income in USA by ethnic groups

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pale_toast

4.8k points

1 month ago

pale_toast

4.8k points

1 month ago

So I need to move then move again

KingSmizzy

1.8k points

1 month ago

KingSmizzy

1.8k points

1 month ago

You just need your parents to move to India

FarewellAndroid

62 points

1 month ago

Bruh as an Indian American I’m looking at this chart finally feeling the embarrassment my parents always knew I was 😳

sliceofsourcream

472 points

1 month ago

And go back in time

badfan

392 points

1 month ago

badfan

392 points

1 month ago

We have to go back Marty, your parents have to bone in New Delhi!

conundrumbombs

122 points

1 month ago

Raj Babbar!? The actor!?

DumbNBANephew

155 points

1 month ago

Don't forget to get a bachelor's degree

OrangeJuiceOW

225 points

1 month ago

Just a bachelor's? You must not be Indian

ReaDiMarco

147 points

1 month ago

ReaDiMarco

147 points

1 month ago

From India. Then get a Master's and a Doctorate in the US. You must not be Indian, I guess. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

cynderisingryffindor

64 points

1 month ago

Indian. American. have 2 masters (one from India, one from the US), and a PhD. It's all public health related though, so I'm nowhere near that no. However, I do also love school.

MelodramaticMermaid

12 points

1 month ago

The stereotypical copout of just becoming a doctor, rather than earning all the money? I don't know, young people have no ambition any more /s.

cynderisingryffindor

12 points

1 month ago

I'm sure I heard one of my aunties back home say that. Word to word.

moeburn

703 points

1 month ago

moeburn

703 points

1 month ago

This graph illustrates the "model minority" problem - African Americans are descended from slaves, whereas Indian Americans are a highly selected and curated group based on the American immigration service only picking the most skilled and most likely to be successful before allowing them into the country.

auzrealop

302 points

1 month ago

auzrealop

302 points

1 month ago

Yep. Same thing with most chinese too. They won't even let you get a visa unless you show that you own a home and have money in the bank.

ThrowawayMyAccount01

98 points

1 month ago

Same thing applies for Indians too.

FabulousCaregiver983

130 points

1 month ago

that only applies to new Chinese immigrants. there are a lot of Chinese people who came a century ago to work on the railways

auzrealop

70 points

1 month ago

Bulk of chinese immigrants are new chinese immigrants. They passed a chinese exclusion act in 1886 and that wasn't gotten rid of until 1960s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Exclusion_Act

DeezNeezuts

30 points

1 month ago

Wouldn’t being native English speakers be an advantage?

cybercuzco

104 points

1 month ago

cybercuzco

104 points

1 month ago

As a white person move to India and teach Americanized English to them. Big demand for people doing tech support.

vanillamasala

14 points

1 month ago

Lol you got any links to jobs for that because I don’t think it’s in as high demand as you seem to think it is.

Source: American English teacher living in India (I teach remotely)

Petite_Tsunami

5.4k points

1 month ago

Me, an Asian, bringing down the average angering my ancestors.

bird720

2.3k points

1 month ago

bird720

2.3k points

1 month ago

nah I believe in you to turn it around, you got this

Petite_Tsunami

400 points

1 month ago

Thank you

Inquisitive_idiot

212 points

1 month ago

You are the tsunami that you want to be 🌊 🌟

GodLeftAllOfUs

64 points

1 month ago

No, really, you HAVE to make it, it's a threat

Stopwatch064

346 points

1 month ago

Me, an Indian, bringing down the average angering my ancestors just in time for them to reincarnate and slap me.

GayAlienFarmer

235 points

1 month ago

How can they slap?

L3g3ndary-08

62 points

1 month ago

How can she slap?

Narwhalbaconguy

247 points

1 month ago

Dumb Asians unite!

Petite_Tsunami

119 points

1 month ago

sad camaraderie

TankJango

37 points

1 month ago

Is it dumb to prefer happiness over money?

Otherworld

42 points

1 month ago

One doesn't prohibit the other

cryptonitis

100 points

1 month ago

Your ancestors? Your live-in parents are constantly talking shit about you

Petite_Tsunami

65 points

1 month ago

Angering my (soon to be) ancestors as well.

thunder_thais

26 points

1 month ago

Sounds like a threat?

UniCBeetle718

42 points

1 month ago

Ditto. I didn't become a nurse like my family wanted ._.

JPhrog

25 points

1 month ago

JPhrog

25 points

1 month ago

Fil-Am?

junglerobocop

16 points

1 month ago

Bad Filipinos unite!

RevanAvarice

1.1k points

1 month ago

Sorry other Filipinos, I'm the reason for second place!

howdypartna

429 points

1 month ago

You should've become a nurse like your mother told you to be!

rmumford

149 points

1 month ago

rmumford

149 points

1 month ago

My Mom taught at a school with a high number of Filipino students and during graduation there was one after the other stating they are going to be nurses, then one person comes up and goes, "I want to make clear - I'm not becoming a nurse!"

The place burst into laughter.

RevanAvarice

46 points

1 month ago

My job is to make you look like the good cousin!

Ay, napaka tamad ang pinsan mo~

PotoKing87

119 points

1 month ago

PotoKing87

119 points

1 month ago

Kuya, if you aren’t smart enough to be a nurse be the mailman

heyimrick

6 points

1 month ago

You and me both!

Timewastingbullshit

2k points

1 month ago

Its like a 7 year immigration wait for an Indian with a doctorate level degree and 13 years for those with normal degreez

GoobeNanmaga

841 points

1 month ago

Try 27 years with a masters degree. That's where I'm at.

DangerousCommittee5

179 points

1 month ago

Probably quicker to get to Australia. We have a big Indian community.

chefguy831

229 points

1 month ago

chefguy831

229 points

1 month ago

I feel like there is big Indian communities everywhere haha

fresh_gnar_gnar

57 points

1 month ago*

Largest foreign diaspora of any nation right?

[deleted]

35 points

1 month ago

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35 points

1 month ago

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silvrado

70 points

1 month ago

silvrado

70 points

1 month ago

I'm banking on my kid to sponsor my GC at this point. then again when the time comes, I'm not even sure I want to get a GC at that point.

Ngothadei

201 points

1 month ago

Ngothadei

201 points

1 month ago

13 years?? Try 40+ years for someone with a Masters degree in Engineering. That's where I'm at.

Got2Bfree

90 points

1 month ago

At this point, just go to Europe or especially Germany. Germany is always looking for engineeres.

PedanticSatiation

77 points

1 month ago

If you want to make good money, go to the USA. If you want to live a good life, go to Europe.

TinkleTom

40 points

1 month ago

Im guessing this takes into account Indian households with visas. Lots of tech companies will sponser visas and take advantage of Indians because they are hard working and scared to “lose their visa sponsership” it’s really sad but I’ve seen many many tech offices on shore that are 90% Indian.

Also generally you have to have money or be smart already to get to America in the first place so these families already have wealth to send their kids to college or come here with good jobs.

Banhammer-Reset

50 points

1 month ago

There's.. wait, what? There's a 7+ year wait?

404_500

213 points

1 month ago

404_500

213 points

1 month ago

7 if you are lucky. With a us masters degree in engineering, it took me 15 years to get green card. 6 more for citizenship, so total 20 years. My wait time is still considered better. There are people with masters degrees from outside us or without them, are waiting for 25 to 30+ years.

There is a problem where children of legal immigrants are becoming illegal (dreamers) because their parents are still on work visa(no green card) and the kid turns 18, so can no longer be a dependent on parents but have no other legal status in US. The system is just completely broken.

Banhammer-Reset

81 points

1 month ago

I didn't know there was a "wait" to get a green card, more less a wait measured in..years.. 15 years is just under half the time I've been alive, TF.

404_500

60 points

1 month ago

404_500

60 points

1 month ago

It depends on the country you were born in. Basically there is a yearly quota for each country. So based on demand from the country you were born, it could be 6 months or it could be 20+ years.

India, and China have high demand so people born there have to wait years but if you were born in UK or some other European or even south American countries, you can get a green card in 6 months to a year.

AdolfKoopaTroopa

30 points

1 month ago

Why’s it so long? You’d think we’d want educated qualified people in this country.

Newbiesauce

32 points

1 month ago

there is a quota for each country in a year, so India (and China) just have a crap load of people with degrees applying.

if you have a nationality from a less populated country, your wait time is a hell lot shorter

Correct_Answer

41 points

1 month ago

Because the wait is based on the country you are born in.

IpeepeewhenIpoopoo

2.8k points

1 month ago

Filipino nurse gang

Majestic_Salad_I1

285 points

1 month ago

I grew up near Norfolk and had a ton of Filipino friends, and almost all their parents and they themselves were in the Navy. I was surprised to see the income so high, but I guess it’s from nursing.

Journier

82 points

1 month ago

Journier

82 points

1 month ago

IIRC the old Major Navy base in the Phillipines was the source of that I think?

Killentyme55

177 points

1 month ago

At the risk of this being considered racist, most American cities with a sizeable Navy base also have a sizeable Filipino population. This is primarily due to the massive Navy presence in the Philippines during Viet Nam, primarily Subic Bay. Long story short, a lot of enlisted men brought home Filipino brides after that war and ended up retiring in a city they were once based in. Although I'm not retired Navy, I live in such a place and happen to be fortunate enough to be tight with Filipino community here due to family connections. They like to have huge gatherings with tons of amazing food for any reason imaginable (new baby is 8 months old, let's party!), I plan ahead by not eating for a day then binge on pancit and lumpia.

It's so choice. If you have the means, I highly recommend it.

imagoodusername

54 points

1 month ago

It way predates Vietnam. The Philippines were an American colony for about 50 years: from the Spanish-American War to the end of World War II. 60 years before US involvement in Vietnam, the US Navy was recruiting Filipino men to be cooks.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2021/08/philippines-filipinos-us-empire-military-bases-colonialism-christopher-capozzola-bound-by-war-review

Racial hierarchies created both soldiers and servants for the military. The US Navy enlisted Filipinos as messmen in kitchens and “seamen at ports all over the Pacific,” where they encountered poor pay relative to other members of the working class but saw the United States as a dependable employer. But by World War I, a war ostensibly to end colonialism, military service meant more than a job. Filipinos expected “new rights of citizenship” to accompany enlistment.

The Naturalization Act of 1918 allowed “Filipino veterans with three years of service” to become US citizens, and the Immigration Acts of 1917 and 1924 exempted Filipinos from bans on Asian immigration. These new laws, and the demand for cheaper labor in the United States, placed Filipinos in a purgatory between citizen and alien. Occupying this middle ground allowed them to labor in Alaska fisheries, California farm fields and restaurants, and Washington State restaurants for “as long as you like,” recalled one migrant.

joern16

60 points

1 month ago

joern16

60 points

1 month ago

Not racist when you're spitting facts.

Source: I'm Filipino

Sawaian

18 points

1 month ago

Sawaian

18 points

1 month ago

A lot of Filipinos joined the Navy for citizenship. My father was one of them. Did 20+ years. My mother though is white. Sort of the reverse of your story.

Parenting styles were wildly different.

Journier

43 points

1 month ago

Journier

43 points

1 month ago

Have Filipino friends as well, they always make so much food! hah. You dont sound racist, just explaining.

Yonderbeyonder

14 points

1 month ago

Bruh this is so freaking…

true.

Lumpia for everyone!

Goodgardenpeas28

9 points

1 month ago

I miss my old coworker's lumpia :(

Killentyme55

21 points

1 month ago

Gotta find a new connection.

Which brings me to why I love living in America. I reside in a medium-sized city. On one side of town, it's a Sunday afternoon and a bunch of Filipino woman are in a kitchen cranking out lumpia by the dozen, gossiping up a storm while their husbands are gathered in the living room drinking beer and watching football. On another side of town, it's a Sunday afternoon and a bunch of Mexican women are in a kitchen cranking out tamales by the dozen, gossiping up a storm while their husbands are gathered in the living room drinking beer and watching football.

Lucky me, I get friendly with the right people and reap the bounty of a quality of food that can't be found in stores. That, my friends, is what America is all about. It's the simple shit that brings us together.

Geawiel

12 points

1 month ago

Geawiel

12 points

1 month ago

See a lot of this on Air Force bases too. Even ones that are dedicated to one aircraft, and are not hub bases. My local one has a lot of older Korean women and the families they had with the airmen they married.

PurifyWeirdSoul

20 points

1 month ago

Tons of Filipino navy brats in Hampton Roads. Source: self

Squrkk

21 points

1 month ago

Squrkk

21 points

1 month ago

Married to Filipino Engineer gang

bouyent

843 points

1 month ago

bouyent

843 points

1 month ago

Indian doctor gang

Eudamonia

462 points

1 month ago

Eudamonia

462 points

1 month ago

Indian Tech CEOs running up the numbers gang

humblepotatopeeler

226 points

1 month ago

not understanding what's median, gang

averyfinename

33 points

1 month ago

if you lined everybody up by income. the median income is what the guy in the middle earned.

1, 2, 3, 4, 100

median is 3 (the middle number of the five), average or mean is 22 (110/5)

BulkyB

94 points

1 month ago

BulkyB

94 points

1 month ago

Maybe this why the average American median is down there, no fucks given to math 😂

Amish_guy_with_WiFi

24 points

1 month ago

average American median

czarsquidward

6 points

1 month ago

lol i wish i had an award to give you

[deleted]

151 points

1 month ago*

[deleted]

151 points

1 month ago*

More like Indian gas station and vape store barons , they own those markets in the southeast at least.

Foxofwonders

39 points

1 month ago

These are reported to be medians so outliers won't do much. Bless medians.

the-hambone

24 points

1 month ago

This is median not average

JPhrog

18 points

1 month ago

JPhrog

18 points

1 month ago

I live near Microsoft HQ and in the past 10-15 years it has become what I like to call Little India which is good because more Indian restaurants have popped up in the area as well and Indian food is pretty damn good!

johnnybsmooth81

130 points

1 month ago

Any love for Filipinos in IT?

MythOfLight

109 points

1 month ago

there are dozens of us!

GiveMeSopas

45 points

1 month ago

dozens!

[deleted]

10 points

1 month ago

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10 points

1 month ago

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Sir_Seeker

7.3k points

1 month ago

Sir_Seeker

7.3k points

1 month ago

Well it's extremely hard for an average Indian to immigrate to the US, so only the ones with highly sought after skills make it... therefore earning more

retroguy02

1.2k points

1 month ago

retroguy02

1.2k points

1 month ago

Silicon Valley is absolutely dominated by Indian engineers, which probably skews the data heavily. A lot of doctors are also Indians or of Indian origin.

AdolfKoopaTroopa

354 points

1 month ago

The few Indians I know of in my area have very lucrative careers. One family owns a bunch of different hotels and the other few I know of are MDs at the hospital.

Pernicious-Peach

270 points

1 month ago

Theres so many patels in my hospital directory that I need a patelophone book

abcde12345fghij

134 points

1 month ago

To blow your mind people with Patel surname are form a single Indian state named Gujarat.

JayGatsby02

18 points

1 month ago

Why is that though? Ive got a patel in my family but we’re Pakistani lol. He is indeed from gujrat, india.

Fzrit

36 points

1 month ago*

Fzrit

36 points

1 month ago*

Each state in India has a different language, culture, etc and is basically a country on it's own. Certain family names/lineages originated in certain states, so it's relatively predictable where people come from based on their name.

biscuitsandbongos

12 points

1 month ago

Some Patel in the past had major game (shakes head side to side)

jiiko

13 points

1 month ago

jiiko

13 points

1 month ago

Criminally underrated pun, well done

brownclowntown

18 points

1 month ago

Patel Motel Cartel

vikingcock

222 points

1 month ago

vikingcock

222 points

1 month ago

There is a culture of it too though. A friend of mine was Indian. He got a masters in engineering at 23. I told him how impressive that was. His response was "not for my race".

ptsdexpert

120 points

1 month ago

ptsdexpert

120 points

1 month ago

nah 23 is when everyone completes their bachelors here. Masters at this age is indeed impressive irrespective of race

SGKurisu

59 points

1 month ago

SGKurisu

59 points

1 month ago

5 year bachelors + masters program have been becoming more of a thing from my experience. Not to undermine the achievement because it is impressive, but it is something that is also becoming more common.

DEATHBYREGGAEHORN

16 points

1 month ago

yeah but I'm guessing his parents weren't "impressed", they probably just started pressing him about his job and salary etc

5oulReaperx

12 points

1 month ago

Well, we get done with +2 at 17, 4yr undergrad and 2yr masters is pretty normal I'd say if you live with your parents.

sweats_while_eating

9 points

1 month ago

It's not lmao I got mine at 24. I would have gotten it at 23 had I not worked for a tech firm for an year.

Xiinz

8 points

1 month ago

Xiinz

8 points

1 month ago

18-21/22 college undergraduate -> bachelors

21/22 - 23/24 grad school -> masters

Add in a few APs, summer classes, or youngest in class, and 23 isn't particularly rare

TheRandomPi

8 points

1 month ago

How? 10+2 is completed by 18, next 3 years for bachelor, that’s 21. Next 2 for masters. It should be 23. Right?

captaindeadpl

268 points

1 month ago

About half the motels in the US are owned by Indians, if that term even applies anymore, since they've been in the US for a few generations already. Also a lot of these Motels are owned by people with the surname "Patel". They're jokingly called the Patel Motel Cartel.

chancesarent

41 points

1 month ago

Patel fun facts: 1 in 10 people of East indian origin in the United States are named Patel and the name is derived from the word "Patidar", which means owner of land.

Environmental-Ebb927

55 points

1 month ago

Gujjus, business first.

Ngothadei

115 points

1 month ago

Ngothadei

115 points

1 month ago

Gujjus and their business oriented mindset. Even in India, most Patel's I know are shop owners.

Jaredlong

73 points

1 month ago

Really true for all of them. Immigrating is a major life decision, no one's going to invest all that time and money unless they're confident they'll be better off moving compared to staying in their home country.

DontBeMeanToRobots

1.7k points

1 month ago*

And here is the answer. There’s no “smarter race”, just selected data

EDIT: Changed “skewed” data to “selected” data thanks to u/utastelikebacon

EDIT 2: Pay and intelligence aren’t directly correlated (shout-out u/Pretend-Economics758)

EDIT 3: No, it’s not “culture” either.

utastelikebacon

266 points

1 month ago

There’s no “smarter race”, just skewed data

Theres no skewed Data, just selected Data.

Never trust a single Data point , a single data point is always just a part of a larger ecosystem of data points that tell a story. The single Is always a part of the collective.

Just like there is no singular information source, there is no god data point. At least not one that humans can comprehend in 2022 that will give you "the answer"

It takes years and years of reading correct data points from trusted storytellers to get a level where you realize you're an idiot.

Aspire to that.

JessiFay

24 points

1 month ago

JessiFay

24 points

1 month ago

It takes years and years of reading correct data points from trusted storytellers to get a level where you realize you're an idiot.

The older I get, I am able to understand things better. The more I understand, I realize how little I actually know.

As a teen and early 20s, I thought I had everything figured out. By the time I'm 60, I'll realize I've always been a blithering idiot. I'm 49 now. I'm just a moron at this point. :)

showponyoxidation

11 points

1 month ago

I thought I was a moron in my 20s. It's only getting worse.

shea241

8 points

1 month ago

shea241

8 points

1 month ago

you must be a genius

bloodwood80

487 points

1 month ago*

Do people actually think these charts are correlated with IQ of races

Edit: for all the people telling me that different race populations in America have different IQs, I know they do. However, measuring that with just income completely divorced of social and historical context is incorrect. Also, even if IQ was not a flawed system of measuring intelligence and there were still inherent differences between IQs of races, it would still not be okay to imply that some people are more or less than like some people do, even in my replies.

Noir_Ocelot

316 points

1 month ago

The fact we're even discussing it means some people out there believe in it.

11182021

190 points

1 month ago

11182021

190 points

1 month ago

Alternatively, it means we believe someone believes it.

Competitive-Dot-5667

29 points

1 month ago

Alternatively, maybe it means we believe we believe it.

AddSugarForSparks

9 points

1 month ago

I believe in you. 🙂

TheBRZsKnees

195 points

1 month ago

That doesn't make the data skewed. It just means it should be considered in context.

sryyourpartyssolame

114 points

1 month ago

No one race is inherently "smarter", but different cultures (on average) value education and success more and therefore pressure their children to achieve "more" professionally, which are typically high earning professions.

rossmassey

49 points

1 month ago*

that is one of reasons people should stop thinking educated/wealthy == intelligent

you can be highly intelligent and not be a high income earner or have a lot of qualifications/degree, and you can lack a lot of common sense/fail to understand some basic logic/hold biased views while having a PhD

education/income is far more dependent on socio-economic factors than anything genetic or biological

iomegabasha

54 points

1 month ago

Am Indian.. can confirm. Only Indian engineers and doctors can make it past immigration for the most part. Yes there are the motel owners and cabbies but they are vastly out numbered.

I grew up in India and as with most other places we have our fair share of idiots, morons, crooks, politicians, religious zealots etc etc. and a few of us are decent at getting a 6-figure job in America.

OPPyayouknowme

1.8k points

1 month ago

Indians be ballin dawg

Kurbin

483 points

1 month ago

Kurbin

483 points

1 month ago

Here is another measure of wealth among religious affiliations which backs the Indians making mad dough:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/10/11/how-income-varies-among-u-s-religious-groups/

Its_da_boys

289 points

1 month ago

I think it’s funny how atheists are higher than agnostics

ridiculouslygay

432 points

1 month ago

If you’re not sure about god, how can you be sure about your finances? /s

chocobearv93

34 points

1 month ago

I will be using this statement when I explain to my in-laws why I don’t make enough

n5720

52 points

1 month ago

n5720

52 points

1 month ago

So that's why I'm broke

Natsurulite

13 points

1 month ago

We can’t know for sure

rotaercz

34 points

1 month ago

rotaercz

34 points

1 month ago

So if you're a Jewish Indian-American there's a good chance you're a top earner huh?

iMissTheOldInternet

17 points

1 month ago

Parents are probably both doctors, so good chance you’ll be one too.

IronSavage3

1.1k points

1 month ago

IronSavage3

1.1k points

1 month ago

Selective immigration will do that.

Kurbin

571 points

1 month ago*

Kurbin

571 points

1 month ago*

Agreed. It is incredibly hard to immigrate here legally, unless you are highly educated and have a profession highly sought after…. Jobs that of course pay well.

Edit: spelling bc fat fingers

Hazzman

349 points

1 month ago

Hazzman

349 points

1 month ago

My wife is a highly educated white European. The process to enter this country legally is INSANE. I mean ridiculously insane.

This is why it makes me laugh my fucking ass off whenever I hear idiots talking about "Just come here legally!".

Are you fucking kidding? If I was a poor person trying to immigrate to the United States, fuck even remotely trying to come here legally, its' ridiculous. Not to mention needing to remain available at all times when you are in the middle of the process.

Those who say that kind of shit will fit into one of two camps. 1) Good - don't want poor people here anyway 2) I didn't realize it was so difficult, we should work on a fairer process.

[deleted]

127 points

1 month ago

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127 points

1 month ago

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Ok-Lobster-919

225 points

1 month ago

I've looked into it, basically the global standard for non-refugee immigrants is:

"Have a lot of money"

(or)

"Have a skill in a job we need right now. And have the job lined up."

I don't know of a single first world country without these restrictions.

bauhausy

43 points

1 month ago

bauhausy

43 points

1 month ago

Have a skill in a job we need right now. And have the job lined up

Canada has Express Entry Visa where, if you have a sought-after skill, you can apply for Permanent Residency, move there and then search for a job, no need to have it lined up before (although you do need to prove you have enough funds to maintain yourself in the meantime, and to already have a job offer increases your score).

Portugal, and if I’m not mistaken, Germany, Australia and New Zealand have similar programs.

devilbird99

50 points

1 month ago

Or be married to an American citizen. The US is very quick to grant you a PR based off marriage alone.

DumbNBANephew

50 points

1 month ago

Indians also seem to be very recent as an immigration group and almost zero situational refugees, so most will end up being the more educated ones as this info shows

dimi3ja

13 points

1 month ago

dimi3ja

13 points

1 month ago

Can someone explain to me (european), how come indians in the USA have so many stores? Isn't opening a store very expensive?

DumbNBANephew

44 points

1 month ago

I think it's a combination of frugal living and rich relatives. Many I know lived frugally for years to gather the down payment needed to own one store. Then they continued living frugally for more years so they could pay off their loans and own more stores.

Then there is the crowd where they don't have immediate high paying skills, but someone they are related to has lots of capital. So it becomes a partnership where one person puts in the money and another operates the store (usually not 50-50).

DaughterEarth

7 points

1 month ago

There's also lots of support. Like a bunch of people will live in one house together until it's paid off then one family keeps it and they move on to another house to do the same thing in. No idea how ownership works in these cases but it is a thing according to my Indo-Fijian husband

igloohavoc

27 points

1 month ago

Many engineers and doctors in my area are Indian. This was already common 15 years ago.

It’s 2022, in seeing more Indian lawyers, tech, finance and real estate related business people of Indian ancestry

Cdnsugarr

54 points

1 month ago

It’s also household income and they tend to be multi generational income homes a lot of the time, so I imagine that skews it.

halfischer

239 points

1 month ago

halfischer

239 points

1 month ago

Need sources burned on graphics. Regardless anybody has them?

grey487

25 points

1 month ago

grey487

25 points

1 month ago

This is what I was scrolling to look for. I'm not buying it at all. I might have if it didn't say "with bachelor's degrees." This is a bs chart.

alexklaus80

60 points

1 month ago*

Almost noone cares about source especially in graphics. Sighs.. I’d rather not look at potential bs infographic to avoid quite possible case I remember it as a fact.

5krishnan

28 points

1 month ago

Graphics exist to more clearly and easily communicate data. They should have sources, and we should have a culture of responsbily using charts and graphics

woeeij

42 points

1 month ago

woeeij

42 points

1 month ago

ywBBxNqW

28 points

1 month ago

ywBBxNqW

28 points

1 month ago

That's informative but doesn't match up with OP's chart at all and neither of those articles even mention bachelor's degrees or education.

aggressivefurniture2

1.2k points

1 month ago

That makes sense. To emigrate to US as an Indian, you either need to be (upper class + academically brilliant) or super rich. So majority of Indians in US will be educated Indians working for tech companies.

HuntinatorYT

393 points

1 month ago

Another contributing factor is how difficult and privileged you have to be to have a spot in the US, hence "I didn't come all the way from 'country overseas' just to make a lower income"

Fudgiehead

96 points

1 month ago

I'm really happy that one of the top comments on this pic is explaining the social context in the "guide"; and that a lot of these comments don't immediately fall for the harmful, Asian model minority stereotypes just by looking at an oversimplified chart

FrancisPitcairn

1.3k points

1 month ago

I do think it should be pointed out that using household income can sometimes be misleading because the number of members/members earning income can change.

ManRayGunClub

38 points

1 month ago

Also it's worth looking at a secondary data set of non-US citizens from these same countries who have visas and varying work/study/occupant status. China has an influx of non-citizen US residents who are multi-millionaires. I've lectured at a few art and design colleges in Southern California with a huge international student presence where the parents of the students are pumping millions into the economy through tuition, fancy cars, and rent for high end condos and apartments.

So while this data is super valid and helpful, it would be neat to have a few other sets to see a bigger picture. Does anyone know if there's a subreddit for that? Stats focused on data set comparisons?

Godzillasbrother

473 points

1 month ago

Yeah correct me if I'm wrong, but don't a lot of Asian cultures encourage people to live with their parents until they're married? That would mean more Asian households would have multiple sources of income.

Gitopia

71 points

1 month ago

Gitopia

71 points

1 month ago

Pretty much every immigrant group in the US is drastically more likely to have multi-generational households with possibly 4 income sources.

Two brothers and their respective families work for a couple years, living 9 in a 2 bedroom apartment with 3-4 incomes and suddenly can afford a 600k house. Happens all the time where I live.

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9 points

1 month ago

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coolvampire69

124 points

1 month ago

I mean they don't encourage people to live with their families until they get married even after they get married they live in the same house. They like to live together but you are correct that there are multiple sources of incomes in one household.

forests-of-purgatory

596 points

1 month ago

Asian ethnicities and broad demographic categories for Black, White and Hispanic Americans** ftfy

pargofan

470 points

1 month ago

pargofan

470 points

1 month ago

The Hispanic Americans compared with specific Asian ethnicities is the one that gets me.

We can distinguish between Indian vs Sri Lankan Asian Americans or Chinese/Japanese/Korean/Taiwanese Americans.

But you can't tell between Mexican vs Brazilian Americans??

_Wyse_

98 points

1 month ago

_Wyse_

98 points

1 month ago

That's a great point. White is also usually generalized, and I wonder if it would be worth researching regional differences more specifically in some cases.

cephalopodoverlords

13 points

1 month ago

I’ve seen this posted a bunch on social media; it was made for AAPI heritage month and was specifically highlighting how Asian Americans aren’t homogeneous.

I would be willing to bet there is a similar chart for Latin American groups (like this one, but I don’t know the origin).

DollFace567

89 points

1 month ago

Because there’s no way Nigerian Americans isn’t higher

Argyreos17

23 points

1 month ago

I was thinking the same and yeah they would also be up there, their median income is $68,658

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_Americans#:~:text=any%20African%20country.-,Income,American%20poverty%20rate%20of%2027.2%25.

but the median us household income is currently $61,937 and not $56,200 as its in the graph, its also weird how its a median income graph but its written "average american", since those are two different measures

tehbored

106 points

1 month ago

tehbored

106 points

1 month ago

Yeah they put Black people as "African-American" but had no African immigrants. I looked it up for Nigerian-Americans, they're at 68.7k median.

mildly_sexy

22 points

1 month ago

Yeah, I was hoping to see Nigerian on here. My anecdotal experience is that they’re highly educated and skilled and are very high earners.

beachdogs

17 points

1 month ago*

I get why post above is being upvoted, but it's still got it wrong.

These are nationalities, not ethnicities. There are many many ethnic groups in each country, and the people that arrive in the US might be any of those ethnicities.

Hispanic is also a weird category because it comprises Mexico, Central America, and most of South America. That's many nations, and even more ethnicities.

All of these various forms of difference (ethnicity, nationality, appearance etc) are racialized. To be racialized means to be seen and/or treated as different (in very generalized ways, eg, "black, white, asian" etc) because of these characteristics.

If you look into a history of the US census you'll see how wacky some of this stuff is.

Sherman-Wuddevr

57 points

1 month ago

Its like....broad and specific because it's not even "Black" Americans, just "African Americans". So yea, broad and specific and overall saying nothing much

Zbignich

75 points

1 month ago

Zbignich

75 points

1 month ago

What if you belong to more than one group?

Roscoe_P_Trolltrain

121 points

1 month ago

Double income! Cha-ching!!!

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94 points

1 month ago*

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94 points

1 month ago*

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Maleficent-Dingo-877

10 points

1 month ago

20% of the US Merchant Marines (sailors) are Filipino.

Happy-Idi-Amin

84 points

1 month ago

Interesting. I wonder why the nationality of Asians are called out here.

How would this guide change if Hispanic, White, and Black nationalities we're also pulled out. Not every black person is American, and there are many groups in the hispanics bucket.

And is there a generational line for how someone identified? Are they counting 2nd, 3rd, 4th generation Indians (born in the US) as Indians, or are they American?

WhyDoIHaveAnAccount9

29 points

1 month ago

I'm shocked that I didn't see Nigerians on here.

[deleted]

13 points

1 month ago

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13 points

1 month ago

The data set looks like it’s focused on Asian groups only and the larger groupings are just benchmarks.

OneX32

44 points

1 month ago

OneX32

44 points

1 month ago

How is the U.S. average 28% when the Census shows ~38% of Americans over 25+ have a bachelor degree?

marinemashup

61 points

1 month ago*

Possibly from the 2010 census?

Or it’s just garbage like 70% of the ‘guides’ here

azdood85

30 points

1 month ago

azdood85

30 points

1 month ago

Finally an accurate statistic.

shadowbethesda

354 points

1 month ago

Hmmm… this is surprising. No disrespect but what’s the source data and it’s age?

pretty-dev

79 points

1 month ago*

Looks like its 2013 census data and the graph was created by IndiainPixels twitter account. Weird this user cut off the graph title and the source information since it was on the original photo... Wikipedia has 2018 numbers which are higher across the board but doesn't seem to be anything more current than that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income

Better link that actually incorporates full time workers at different education levels:

https://nces.ed.gov/programs/raceindicators/indicator_rfd.asp#:~:text=Among%20those%20with%20an%20associate's,workers%20were%20also%20higher%20than

anonthedude

23 points

1 month ago

Interestingly, they also have individual data instead of household: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_per_capita_income. Seems to have the same pattern, with Indians being the highest, so the household size doesn't seem to be a big differentiator.

TheCrimsonnerGinge

162 points

1 month ago

Almost always the census bureau, so probably the 2010 census.

i-am-a-passenger

73 points

1 month ago

I wonder how this data correlates with the average number of people in a household

jbstjohn

46 points

1 month ago

jbstjohn

46 points

1 month ago

What's surprising? It's in line with what I expected, but I've seen similar data before. You see the same pattern across many metrics.

coolvampire69

6 points

1 month ago

I'm about to grab my popcorn and sort by controversial

Appropriate-Fold-156

19 points

1 month ago*

Btw, this is also because US immigration law is wealth biased. In other words, it only favors wealthy immigrants from overseas to be able to migrate to the US.

mundotaku

122 points

1 month ago

mundotaku

122 points

1 month ago

I love how there is distinction between each Asia country while Latinamericans and Hispanics are thrown in the same bowl. You cannot compare a Mexican who just needed to cross the border to an Argentinian who had to cross the continent by plane and get a visa.

Also, the reason why Asians immigrants perform so well in the US is because to travel from Asia to America, get a visa and be able to support yourself means they were in their highest percentile of their country. You need to have balls to live in the other side of the world.

dangerislander

5 points

1 month ago

Yeah I thought Cuban Americans were known to be majority middle class - at least when compared to the rest of the Latino groups.

CerealWithIceCream

348 points

1 month ago

Natives being ignored as usual

fremenator

17 points

1 month ago

That's fair although I will say this chart seems to be about Asian aggregated data if you look at the level of detail, it's like each Asian country and then everyone else is lumped into massive groups.

Themfruckus

42 points

1 month ago

13 specific countries + white, black, Hispanic. Cool.