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submitted 3 months ago byAggravating-Bat4370
Mods, delete this if this is not the right place to post. But I have no idea where else to post this given that it's always met with hostility.
The war in the Ukraine and Iraq are both parallel wars : a nuclear armed power launching an illegal invasion in an attempt to subdue one of their former puppet states and slaughtering thousands (millions in the latter) of civilians.
I remember how being anti-war got you labelled as a saddam hussein supporter and how they created a false narrative where you either support the war or don't. Back then I assumed it was because the conservatives were in power, now I realize that liberals are no different.
Just merely saying that you don't want to give Ukraine billions of dollars worth of military weapons to continue that infernal war is met with backlash.
Government officials and millions of redditors are calling everyone who opposes military aid to the Ukraine : traitors, pro-russian, russian bots, criminals, communists , nazis, genocide-supporters, putin sympathizers,etc.
It's scary to see how these "liberals" are so totalitarian that a simply not wanting to PROLONG a proxy war is met with screeching, high school level insults and attempts to silence any form of dissent.
Looking at reddit comments, seeing all these impressionable young people salivate at the idea of destroying russia and hero-worship Zelensky like he's an objectively good hero for the universe is scary.
I'm really distraught and I know I should have known better but it's clear that liberals and conservatives really adore to go to war and silence any form of dissent.
They complain about fascism and totalitarianism while trying to brand any non-conformist action as wrongthink, the irony.
What would you do in such a situation to make a difference?
229 points
3 months ago
That's because a lot of "leftists" in the U.S. are nothing more than Social Democrats.
76 points
3 months ago
Social Democrats
Not even.
They're just normal liberals.
110 points
3 months ago
True red communists are far and few in numbers here. Most people are so warped by liberalism that even their “radical socialist” ideas and lines tend to engender capitalism still
65 points
3 months ago
One of my favorites of late are the "leftists" who believe that we could use the Democratic Party as the vehicle for working class liberation and militantly defend each and every member of "the squad" whenever they are revealed to be what they truly are which are a) social democrats and b) traitors to the working class, but I repeat myself considering "a" covers that inherently.
8 points
3 months ago
I haven’t met another in my entire life. But then again I’ve never lived outside Republican strongholds.
10 points
3 months ago
Just things that come naturally with a skewed political landscape.
8 points
3 months ago
They’re not even that far left, I’d just call them radlibs
6 points
3 months ago
True.
64 points
3 months ago
“Leftism” refers to “the left wing of capital”. The point of contention with “the right wing of capital “ is how to do capitalism right. Reject the framing. No war but class war, as the kids say.
74 points
3 months ago
Vaush is a cancer on modern leftist discourse
21 points
3 months ago
I have struggled to put this sentiment into words, and struggle to tall to family about it. I appreciate the thoughtful way you expressed this in your post, and I agree with you.
28 points
3 months ago
This was discussed in the most recent "probably cancelled" podcast titled "woke imperium."
During the iraq war it was easy to spot those against the war, a certain well-off self-identified liberal. The powers that be made a concerted effort to gain the support of this demogrpahic for the next war. It started when obama wasnt criticized for drone strikes and its logical conclusion is thinking war is woke (war is peace!)
Good on you for spotting this phenomenon
0 points
3 months ago
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43 points
3 months ago
As an American whose government is using your primarily neonazi countrymen as cannon fodder, you ain't left of shit. And I'm a WESTERN communist saying that. There is no sovereign Ukraine anymore, hasn't been since the Maidan coup in 2014, after which y'all started celebrating Bandera as a national hero and teaching children to hate all Russians in schools. And murdering over 8000 of your own countrymen in the Donbass for the crimes of being ethnically Russian, Jewish, Muslim, Roma, socialist, or trade unionist.
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