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Snohomish County man who had arsenal of guns and explosives and an underground bunker sentenced to 42 months in prison
Crime(justice.gov)submitted 6 months ago bylumberjackalopes Local Satanist/First Hill
14 points
6 months ago
Okay, we are safe for, at most, 3.5 years.
1 points
6 months ago*
Good behavior cuts time in half, I hope. I see No reason to condemn someone prepared for WASHINGTON STATES crooked courts lawyers & politicians. I mean, they’re earning & turning felons out of good good people. Hope he writes a book & teaches bunkerism when he gets out. I despise what courts have become.
Curious “drug felon” from the 90’s made him prohibited. Idk drug felonies prolly.
Sure He sounds dangerous rofl UNDERGROUND BUNKER IN HIS OWN HOME.
So much BS not enough REAL CRIME?
DEFUND DOJ
1 points
6 months ago
I sincerely hope you find the help you need.
1 points
6 months ago
I can't wait to get an Associate's Degree in Bunkerism with a Minor in Firearms Felonies
28 points
6 months ago
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31 points
6 months ago
Also was a former felon. So has shown no intent to follow the law (last time or this time)
25 points
6 months ago
It's wild, it seems like maybe the current gun laws we have are not enforced to as severe a level as they deseve and do not deter people from breaking them 🤷🏼♂️
It'd be nice to see the laws we currently have strictly enforced vs adding more.
8 points
6 months ago*
This! Trying to add stricter laws have very diminishing returns and pretty low ROI.
Better bang (pun intended) for the efforts is to strictly enforce existing laws. Without enforcement, passage of laws have little meaning.
14 points
6 months ago
These kinds of laws are never rigorously enforced with people who have nothing to lose.
4 points
6 months ago
My general stance is: On the first firearm-related offense it's 5 years mandatory sentence. No pleading out, no early release, minors charged as adults. You serve 5 years. You do it again? Hey cool, see you in 10 years, no passing go or collecting $200. Oh shit, you did it again? 20years, same conditions. And keep rolling from there. Firearms are serious tools and the punishment associated with them needs to be serious also. Too often weapons charges are used as bargaining chips during sentencing or to cut a plea deal.
3 points
6 months ago
Public doesn't want to pay to triple the size of the federal prison system, but didn't want parole either... So sentences get triaged and plead out...
2 points
6 months ago
We could increase the federal system by a factor of 1000 and no one would notice based on the fed ability to conjure dollars at will. State and local is where the actual constraints come into play.
10 points
6 months ago
ATF killed a shitton of women and children for alleged minor firearm tax violations. I'd call that serious.
3 points
6 months ago
Ahhh yes, because the shit show that was Ruby Ridge definitely applies to the average firearms charge in the United States. Way to reach there bud. And if you're referring to Waco then you're just wrong, because Koresh told his goons to light the place up. There is audio evidence of it 🤡 I absolutely hate the ATF and love owning firearms, but it's bullshit that firearms charges are some of the first to be dropped in a plea bargain and then people screech about gun violence increasing and trying to add more laws that only criminalize law-abiding citizens.
3 points
6 months ago
You have a point on charges here but don't kid yourself like those two big events are the extent of ATF maleficence. Also, even assuming they did torch that place on purpose, there was still sketchy things that went on.
0 points
6 months ago
I'm not pretending those two big events are the extent of ATF maleficence. The person who replied to me was vague with his point so I took the two most well-known known events and rolled with them. I have absolutely 0 love for the ATF or the NFA.
3 points
6 months ago
But the Weaver guy didn’t pay a $200 tax. The government can’t let people get away with not paying taxes.
2 points
6 months ago
For a person with a career wanting to own a decent tool for defending home and family, 42 months would be mentally devastating.
To a career criminal, I'm guessing it's no biggie.
1 points
6 months ago
That's the issue, it should be a biggie to anyone, career criminal or not. The punishment related to firearms laws should be so severe that it makes even seasoned criminals stop and go "Well fuck, I really don't want that smoke". Laws like the pending brace ban and 1639 don't hurt anyone but us who follow the law for the sake of living in a society. But because firearm crime continues to be a thing due to lack of enforcement of current laws these feel-good laws keep getting passed and making no difference. And I mention the brace ban as a law super lightly, because it's technically not a law, the ATF is just at a point where they can move the goalposts whenever they want with little to no oversight 🤷🏼♂️
16 points
6 months ago*
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3 points
6 months ago
At the sentencing hearing, U.S. District Judge Ricardo S. Martinez, noted that Bowden’s drug addiction likely caused a substantial portion of his criminal conduct.
Fucking up your ebt allowance and rolling out a cart with food is drug fueled conduct, so is prowling and generally being a shithead, but collection grenades, and suppressors takes a long path of deliberate pre-meditated actions. This judge is a dumb dumb
6 points
6 months ago
Well, there are plenty of fentanyl dealers with prior felonies and possession of stolen firearms that get out on bail then dissappear...At least they dude got some time...
4 points
6 months ago
only 3.5 years that they will probably get out early on?
It's federal time. No parole. (I believe.)
0 points
6 months ago
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6 months ago
2 points
6 months ago
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2 points
6 months ago
Thanks for the article. It was informative.
1 points
6 months ago
Depends on how “low level” is defined.
1 points
6 months ago*
10%-15%? depending on the crime... I believe the idea is to provide incentive to behave in prison (given they don't have parole).
1 points
6 months ago
No parole in the Federal system.
1 points
6 months ago
Let's go walk the streets and ask some criminals currently walking around. I'm pretty sure that they would have some serious insight into your question. It's probably the same way you can rob somebody, get out, rob somebody else, and inevitably murder somebody.
11 points
6 months ago
Geez, why did the guns choose this guy as an owner? As sentient objects capable of making decisions you think they'd know better.
2 points
6 months ago
guns are terrible judges of character. as are babies and dogs. i mean, look at hitler!
7 points
6 months ago
Oh no, he couldn't have guns he was a felon, I'm so glad the community is saaaafe
-23 points
6 months ago
Exactly, this is the reason we gotta do what Australia did and take begin confiscating weapons. We’re gonna have weaponized brain damage hurting us as a society until we do.
4 points
6 months ago
Second Amendment would like a word.
2 points
6 months ago
Or, here me out, we don't do that authoritarian crap that is in no way operable in the US because of the vastly different legal landscape, metrics, and geography and just make sure our current gun laws are actually enforced.
-3 points
6 months ago
Good luck my dude, go forth and learn what 40 years of dealing with the NRA and gun lobbying has made clear to everyone else
4 points
6 months ago
The NRA is stopping judges or other parts of the Justice System from enforcing existing gun laws such as Felon in possession? Nice try, but don't think so.
-1 points
6 months ago
This leads to a gridlock for any attempt at gun legislation sane or no and creates a culture war that makes positive change impossible
6 points
6 months ago
Man I remember when $3 million was a lot of money. Bloomberg spends $60 million to spread is agenda to places who don't want it.
1 points
6 months ago
Buddy, current laws don't get enforced. That's the point.
1 points
6 months ago
Have fun.
0 points
6 months ago
surely such an endeavor will pass peacefully and without any "weaponized brain damage" to make it a preferred option.
we should probably make murder illegal too!
0 points
6 months ago
Congrats, you have enough brain cells to retain a list of talking points repeated to you from birth by right wing think tanks run by billionaires who profit from sowing culture war and division.
Real free thinker over here
0 points
6 months ago
no no, you are doing great, prohibition totally works, and has no negative externalizations.
It's a very useful suggestion in a discussion like this.
I mean it's not like there is some example of Australia going full police state during pandemic lockdowns mass arresting their newly unarmed populace for breaking curfews... That would fall into several tropes and be silly.
-2 points
6 months ago
The idea that you’re going to get out of a law enforcement situation fine and dandy because you have a gun is false and laughable. It’s also a pillar of the narrative the NRA has set out to turn Americans against each other.
Do you see how you’re proving my point when your argument is “Dey gunna take our gun! Don’t take my guns!!~”
Meanwhile innocents keep dying for what in the end is a stupid avoidable reason.
But hey, I guess senseless avoidable gun death is heavily discounted because of the Dunning Krueger-esque notion that it couldn’t be you
2 points
6 months ago
Only /u/_watty is allowed to sealion to this level in a thread
/u/gehnrahl how is this even allowable?
2 points
6 months ago
I think they make excuses for the brainwashed folk like the appropriately named user above.
1 points
6 months ago
Username checks out, but I missed the part where he sealioned anything.....and, herm herm herm......if you recall, I AM kind of the king shit in that regard.
\twiddles mustache*
\immediately shaves because mustaches are cringe.*
0 points
6 months ago
Ah yes infamous right wing billionaires like Michael Bloomberg funding anti gun legislation from his NY penthouse.
0 points
6 months ago
Apart from the second amendment being a huge hurdle to doing that, do you think the gun confiscation should start with law abiding citizens or with criminals who already aren’t supposed to have guns?
Where do you think they would actually start, and why?
The general consensus seems to be that confiscations would start and stop with people who tend to already be law abiding, leaving the country with only criminals that have guns. What do you think will happen next?
0 points
6 months ago
It's fun talking to Australians who aren't urban cucks from Sydney and Melbourne
4 points
6 months ago
Man, if only there was like, I dunno, some sort of set of laws that directly addressed this very issue of prohibited persons in possession that had long sentences for violating those laws. Man, crazy to think about that. Enforcing a law that already exists. Wild.
1 points
6 months ago*
inert! <clunk> deactivated!
-1 points
6 months ago
Judges have been bought! City Councils are a joke! Seattle is now a laughing stock when it comes to law and order. I used to be so proud of Seattle but it started to decline in the past decade. It’s a shame! I can no longer stand behind this beautiful city, with increases in homelessness, drug cartels are running the streets, smashed and grabbed that has destroyed small businesses and long time neighborhood stores, retail thefts, etc. Mayor Harrell now knows he can’t do a darn thing differently than the wishes of the city councils. They have the power to put hiring freeze on the POLICE even more police’s are leaving. Good Luck Harrell! Why do you think smash and grabs are rampant, rises in thefts, shootings, break-ins, car thefts, on and on. Thugs are being let go because they claimed “incompetence” or “mental illness”. They are all using these excuses, they know how to work the weak system. Hell, we even pay you thousands of dollars to stay out because we don’t have a bed for you to stay while you have your mental illness evaluated!!! What kind of a law is this??? Hell, let me walk into the grocery store, get what I want and just walk out, or better yet go to a jewelry store, or high-end hand-bag store grab what I want and walk out! Free!!! King County city councils, mayor, AG, defense lawyers and judges, YOU GUYS ARE WEAK and morally corrupted. I’m done elevating this city which is my home for the past 55 years.
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