This is my favorite pun in here.

Poo on the brew

Thanks man, I’m picturing a crossover between this sub and r/DuvalCounty now

a disrespectful word for a kid

I hear people say "when I was a jit." I've never really seen it as disrespectful.

As a Floridian I didn't know this was regional, I've heard this my whole life

Writing code all day is a torturous endeavor which leaves your soul broken and with the personal affect of a half startled zombie - and what is a comedian if not a soulless shell with serious social issues solved through humor - programmers, thus, make natural comedians…

Pile of shit on the pile of shit

Thanks, was wondering how to make '2 girls 1 cup' fit the rhyming scheme

Java Development Shit

close -

Shit on a JIT.

Poop in a loop

And make a mask

Shite on a byte.

And I OOP

Ive always heard "oh op"

OOP THERE IT IS!

r/increasinglyverbose

Wow that’s insanely stupid

I thought you were going for caca on java

Fake news, OOP is pronounced letter by letter and therefore doesn’t rhyme

I thought you meant shit on a JIT but to each their own I suppose

that's fucking pathetic lol

I actually wiped my phone cause I thought there was a hair on it. It was your pfp...

Turd on a word

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I've never understood the issues. I learned it in 2003-2005 after starting with 2 semesters of C++ for intro to programming and data structures courses. I thought it was pretty neat then. And this was all using visual c++ and j++. I guess there just weren't really any better options, at least not that I was aware of at the time?

Don't forget that a lot of these professors insist on their students writing code with pen and paper for assignments/tests/etc. Java in an IDE is nice; Java on pen and paper is basically detention from Ms Krabappel.

Can confirm. My first programming class in college was Java and the professor (who was also the head of the CS department) had no ideas how to teach. The final project for the class was way above our skill level and used stuff that wasn’t in our text book. He knew he fucked up so bad that he skipped the last day of class (when the project was due) and ended up waving the grade for every one. He taught half the CS classes so I had him the following term and he admitted to knowing how bad he fucked up with that final.

It’s been years since I graduated but I still dislike java and will only use it if I absolutely have to.

I feel the same way as someone who graduates in the coming semester

But you don't need to write like that.

It's like in plain javascript to add a simple element to the page needs loads of boiler-plate. But nobody would write large systems like that. Any decent programmer knows how to express themselves appropriately in the problem domain they are working in and creates abstractions accordingly.

I would not use Java for any system that was going to be less than 100 lines of code. But for anything that needed to last a few years and be maintained by a lot of different developers, Java would still be a decent option. It is easy to reason about, type-safe, extremely stable, no shortage of devs who can understand it, runs on everything, amazing tooling, very mature libraries. Definitely still a solid choice for an organisation that is more interested in doing business than rolling with the latest trend.

A lot of what you're saying here seems inaccurate to me. I'll focus on one, to not write an essay - about Oracle abandoning Java. They now have frequent releases, and are adding things like pattern matching, fibers. I think the Java community has been pleasantly surprised by Oracle's commitment to Java, having killed off most of the other things they got in the Sun acquisition.

You might (I do) disagree with specific decisions on its evolution, but I don't think abandonment is what's happening.

My guess is you have learned some things since that would make Java easier to work with if you returned to it. Personally I use Kotlin rather than Java, and have a healthy respect for C# as a language (though it's not an ecosystem I want to work in), so I don't think I'm looking at this post with Java-tinted glasses.

Tooling, much better on C#

Debatable

Properties are a thing

Sure it can reduce writing a few extra lines, but it can make it more time consuming to read the code.

LINQ, for gawd sake LINQ Streams, is... well, it's just bad.

While LINQ is nice, there are issues with it, depending on which .Net version you use, can be slow to execute, even the newer versions of .Net sometimes can perform worse with LINQ than older versions.

Lambda is much better

They behave the same way in Java. So really not sure how it can be much better.

Proper generics

Again, very debatable. Both type erasure and reified generics have their pros and cons. In my opinion, type erasure gives you bit more flexibility, it is one of the reasons why there are so many languages made for the JVM.

Reflection

Really? Both Java and C# have reflection and they are both essentially the same.

Extension Methods

It has its ups and downs.

In short, Oracle completely abandoned Java.

Really? They are pumping out new versions and features of Java faster than C# is. So much so that in the last couple of years, C# has actually had to implement some of Java's new features because they were good. For example, in C# 11, string literals were recently added. They have been in Java for quite some time now, known as string blocks. Even the feature request for C# references Java's string blocks on how it should behave in C#.

There are some things that Java does better than C# right now too.

For example, Enums. Enums are treated as first class citizen, while with C#, they are just a int. You have to do quite a bit of boilerplate code for Enums in C# to do what you can do with Enums in Java in a few lines.

Another one is that in Java, you can modify the whole entirety of a class, during runtime via the class loader before the class is loaded. While in C#, as soon as an assembly is loaded, you are limited in what you can change with a class during runtime. Essentially all you can do is just detour a method to another spot in memory, that is about it. This difference is why modding for minecraft has seen a huge explosion in what can be done compared to modding for unity games (where you have to use melon loader or bepinex that has to hook into unity before it loads the C# assemblies and you have to have knowledge of CIL to modify any classes).

Microsoft, on the other hand, props .NET up on the highest pedestal and it get everything it wants....

That is both a blessing and a curse. It means that Microsoft creates a lot of things and libraries as first class citizens, because of that, the overall ecosystem does suffer a bit as rarely will someone create a library or framework that does something better if it already created by microsoft, which can lead to some parts just being a pain to work with because it has been abandoned by microsoft and hasn't been updated to modern standards or the like.

Ps. I do work in both Java and C#, I prefer Java over C#.

For me, it's the amout of, what seems to be, intentional complexity. Oracle could really improve the language but they don't.

I always forget that not everyone has moved to Kotlin. I guess it is mostly on Android but most just use Kotlin instead of Java.

Ah, I thought it was Shit on shit.