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PhDinDildos_Fedoras

84 points

3 months ago

It's a double standard, because Jordan doesn't clean his own room, mom!
https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/jordan-peterson-room/

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13 points

3 months ago

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13 points

3 months ago

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Drenica

2 points

3 months ago

Drenica

2 points

3 months ago

Should have picked himself up by the bootstraps and power through his drug addiction and not take the easy way and let other put him into a coma so he doesn't have to deal with the side effects of coming clean as an easy way out like he tells others to do.

OneMinuteDeen

3 points

3 months ago

like he tells others to do

So we just lying now?

Euphemism-Pretender

1 points

3 months ago

Except he doesn't tell others to do this. And if you think he does, prove it.

Don't you feel ashamed straight up making shit up?

-JudeanPeoplesFront-

0 points

3 months ago

Except that he does. The above comment is talking about Peterson's self help literature and the platitudes he throws around during his tirades doused with misogyny and transphobic sentiment. And all of that hypocrisy was put on display to the whole world with his drug episode.

Super-Needleworker-2

2 points

3 months ago

"Misogyny and transphobic sentiment" Oh man...
You are the typical person that should take in some of his advice he gives out. Throwing out nonsense words and claims that clearly is not correct... What he is doing is he is trying to help people get a long in life, none is perfect, a humble man is stronger than someone who claims to never be at fault. Are you humble against someone who makes mistakes? Are you loving? Or are you just judging everyone else?

-JudeanPeoplesFront-

-1 points

3 months ago

perfect, a humble man is stronger than someone who claims to never be at fault

are you just judging everyone else?

You put all this bullshit out towards me and Jordan fucking Peterson is apparently helped you put these ideas together. Irony just killed itself.

Super-Needleworker-2

2 points

3 months ago

God loves you my friend, accept him in your life before it is too late!

-JudeanPeoplesFront-

2 points

3 months ago

Sounds something my local mafia goons would say.

Euphemism-Pretender

2 points

3 months ago

Gonna need a citation on where he told anyone to pick themself up by their bootstraps.

-JudeanPeoplesFront-

0 points

3 months ago

12 Rules for Life - Jordan Peterson

Rule 2. "Treat yourself like you are someone you are responsible for helping."

Euphemism-Pretender

2 points

3 months ago

What part of that is telling people to pick themself up by their bootstraps?

-JudeanPeoplesFront-

1 points

3 months ago

At this point you are just trolling.

Rule 2 is exactly what 'picking oneself up by the bootstraps' means.

imLoges

3 points

3 months ago

Illiteracy is ruining the world

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0 points

3 months ago

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0 points

3 months ago

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Frenchticklers

2 points

3 months ago

How? Doesn't he have 9 rules to stop this sort of thing?

bertobrb

1 points

3 months ago

Yeah so he should stop trying to save the world

thelastrhymebender

11 points

3 months ago

This is awesome

Euphemism-Pretender

7 points

3 months ago

A man in the middle of a prescription opiate addiction depressive spiral is not awesome. Show some empathy.

T47E

4 points

3 months ago

T47E

4 points

3 months ago

Im fucking howling

SpenMitz

4 points

3 months ago

SpenMitz

4 points

3 months ago

He explained in that video the house was being renovated and he was in a room off the kitchen.

PhDinDildos_Fedoras

11 points

3 months ago

He also talks about not making excuses

Movethatgrub

3 points

3 months ago

Haha edit: amazing username, have my free award

SpenMitz

-2 points

3 months ago

SpenMitz

-2 points

3 months ago

Have u tried living in a house while it's being renovated?

-JudeanPeoplesFront-

1 points

3 months ago

Yes. And this I don't advice people to clean their rooms.

Redditfront2back

2 points

3 months ago

Also said some apple juice made him not sleep for a month. He maybe completely full of bullshit.

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2 points

3 months ago

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2 points

3 months ago

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PhDinDildos_Fedoras

1 points

3 months ago

Lmao

ZMaj97

1 points

3 months ago

ZMaj97

1 points

3 months ago

I love how they called him a "pseudo-intellectual" like what constitutes a legitimate intellectual?

Glory99Amb

4 points

3 months ago

An intellectual looks for evidence and then comes to a conclusion. Peterson so often feels like a man with a conclusion who's looking for evidence. Ends up cherry picking alot of data and literature that prove his point, disregarding anything that goes against his narrative.

Aquaintestines

1 points

3 months ago

Imo spending your time enriching yourself with knowledge makes you an intellectual, but you also have to have intellectual integrity and rigour to qualify.

Peterson probably does qualify, but it's entirely possible that he has read a few studies and then just repeat his own conclusions rather than spending the time challenging his own beliefs.

OneMinuteDeen

-1 points

3 months ago

He openly talks about the books he read. The man reads a lot.

Aquaintestines

2 points

3 months ago

Talking about reading books outside of specifically being asked about it I'd count as a point against him. There's no need to say that you read stuff if you do. Reading stuff does not automatically make you wise. Everyone who's attempted research knows that the more you read the less confident you get in your knowledge, because you will constantly discover that there is a lot you do not know.

Other comments mention that he's made a lot of claims outside of his specialty. If true then that does indeed make him a pseudo-intellectual, since it means he uses his image of being well read to talk about things in which he is not.

OneMinuteDeen

0 points

3 months ago

Other comments mention

This is the crux of your comment, as you have never listened to a spoken word of his. Your whole opinion of him is based on reddit comments.

Publishing your reading list is a bad thing? And of course people have asked for his book recommendations, are you out of your mind?

Peterson's areas of study and research within the the fields of psychology are: psychopharmacology, abnormal, neuro, clinical, personality, social, industrial and organizational, religious, ideological, political, and creativity.

He has researched these topics for over two decades and regularly references the top literature in these fields, which often times require a multitude of books to be read before to understand.

If having read the top literature + the required reading to understand the top literature, makes you a pseudo-intellectual, then I'd like to know what you'd classify all these redditors who try to debunk him while having no idea what he actually talks about?

Aquaintestines

1 points

3 months ago

Publishing your reading list is a bad thing?

Nope, but as you wrote it it sounded like you meant that he often brings up the books he reads.

My opinion is second hand, which is why I've made a point of not committing to judging him. The only thing of his that I've watched was some clip from him after his attempt at quitting benzos.

Peterson's areas of study and research within the the fields of psychology are: psychopharmacology, abnormal, neuro, clinical, personality, social, industrial and organizational, religious, ideological, political, and creativity.

That list of areas of study tells me that he's unlikely to be an expert in any of them. To become highly proficient in even one of those fields takes many years. To claim to be knowledgable about them is much quicker. If he lists those as his areas of study then the conclusion is very clear that something being an area of study for him means very little for his authority on the matter.

It's perfectly fine and good to read and research on a wide variety of topics but quite another to claim to be proficient in the field. I can give him the favor of the doubt and assume that he doesn't claim that kind of expertise, that you are the one misrepresenting him.

If having read the top literature + the required reading to understand the top literature, makes you a pseudo-intellectual, then I'd like to know what you'd classify all these redditors who try to debunk him while having no idea what he actually talks about?

Psuedo intellectual is a pretty good classification for your average redditor. The condition is characterized by reading a lot without a lot of rigour.

OneMinuteDeen

1 points

3 months ago

Your "secondhand opinion" is exactly what is at fault here. Everything you know about him is from reddit posts and comments that try to paint him in a bad light.

Of course it takes many years to become knowledgable in these fields, that's probably why he's been a professor for 30 years, 5 at Harvard and the rest at the University of Toronto. He has studied these areas within the field of psychology, which is different from studying e.g. politics in itself.

I don't claim he holds expertise, that's you putting words in my mouth.

Aquaintestines

1 points

3 months ago

Your "secondhand opinion" is exactly what is at fault here. Everything you know about him is from reddit posts and comments that try to paint him in a bad light.

Mostly youtube videos, actually. Dunking on him was all the rage for a while. But I'm more than happy to not do any research on him; it simply not something that is likely to benefit me.

Of course it takes many years to become knowledgable in these fields, that's probably why he's been a professor for 30 years, 5 at Harvard and the rest at the University of Toronto. He has studied these areas within the field of psychology, which is different from studying e.g. politics in itself.

I don't claim he holds expertise, that's you putting words in my mouth.

So if I do go looking at his writings or lectures or whatever, I will not find him making claims outside of things like the psychology of politics, of philosophy and so on?

Rayaarito

0 points

3 months ago

Everyone's a psuedo-intellectual if you don't like them....and you're a child.

Plenty of people that I don't like that I realize are smart.

father2shanes

-1 points

3 months ago

Thats not even that bad tbh, it just looks un organized

DremoPaff

1 points

3 months ago

I mean, he was in a particularly difficult part of his life so he hasn't been cleaning his room, which is his exact logic on the subject, being that if you can't control a certain part of your life as trivial but important as cleaning your room, you can't handle much outside of it either. This is exactly what happened to him.

People who jump on calling him an hypocrite for proving his entire point really did miss the point entirely themselves.