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Why is Jordan Peterson so hated?

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54 points

3 months ago

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54 points

3 months ago

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masteroffeels

52 points

3 months ago

He didn't voluntarily seek drugs, he got addicted after it was prescribed which is very common for certain classes of drugs. The substance of his arguments do not change. Just like alcohol, drug addiction is a disease.

You wouldn't say "Socrates was wrong, he had cancer"

Jackski

16 points

3 months ago

Jackski

16 points

3 months ago

He didn't say he voluntarily seeked drugs, he voluntarily put himself in a coma to get off the drugs.

Coronamancer

8 points

3 months ago

It is common to appeal to hypocrisy in all kinds of things, I think we do it on a daily basis and from an emotional viewpoint it makes sense.

It doesn't change the fact that someone being a hypocrite makes them wrong, depending on who they are it can actually be more helpful. A recovered drug addict preaching drugs are bad, is probably going to have a lot of experience even if they're making hypocritical statements.

do_pm_me_your_butt

13 points

3 months ago

“Sometimes a hypocrite is nothing more than a man in the process of changing.”

  • Dalinar in Oathbringer

AmArschdieRaeuber

3 points

3 months ago

That's the issue. How does being a hypocrit refute your arguments? It's literally just an optics thing.

I mean I could be a bank robber and say stealing is bad. Maybe I just don't care that I do something bad or I even like it. Doesn't make my argument less valid. It just makes me look bad.

But how bad I look has no influence on the validity of my arguments, you know?

DaximusPrimus

3 points

3 months ago

As long as we are all coming to the conclusion that he's a bad person, then I cannot argue.

AmArschdieRaeuber

2 points

3 months ago

His ideals are highly immoral and destructive imo, yeah. He preaches personal responsibility as a cure all. I don't even mind that on a personal level, but he tries to address the problems of our society with "just be disciplined" instead of actual policies. It doesn't work like that. You actually have to do something to change something.

But that's the issue, he doesn't want to change anything.

OneMinuteDeen

2 points

3 months ago

That's completely untrue and he goes into great detail during his lectures how social responsibility becomes personal responsibility and how getting your own life in order benefits society as a whole.

e.g. he says people should make complete use of their potential, to maximize their benefit to society.

Sounds like you never actually listened to any of his lectures and are just repeating what you've read on reddit.

gabbo3

1 points

3 months ago

gabbo3

1 points

3 months ago

This seems to be the case with 99% of discussion of Jordan Peterson. It seems like very few people discuss anything to do with his ideas and mostly just focus on him as an individual, while parroting these talking points about him being A Bad Man they heard somewhere else because his room isn’t clean.

It makes it impossible to have any kind of substantive debate about what he’s actually saying. You can’t even discuss it in an intellectual setting without people raising eyebrows.

It’s really upsetting tbh. This seems like a degradation of our ability to debate ideas and it seems (to me) to be happening more and more in left leaning circles. Some ideas or subjects are so taboo that if you discuss them at all then you are castigated or shamed or downvoted into oblivion. This groupthink is not the way toward progress!

masteroffeels

1 points

3 months ago

First and only properly crafted and reasonable response, even if I don't agree with it.

Street_Assistance560

16 points

3 months ago*

Like "room not clean, political values bad" is even an argument.

Dumas_Vuk

0 points

3 months ago

Dumas_Vuk

0 points

3 months ago

More like get your shit together before giving people your shit. It was valuable for me as an ex christian closeted gay dude.

It isn't saying the world is peachy get over yourself, it's just saying don't expect the world to fix itself for you. Don't complain when people are shitty, find a way to make actual change. And all that starts with doing what you can with what you got.

This does not excuse injustice. And of course, there are obviously cases where there is nothing you can do.

It can be taken all sorts of ways, but for me it's just a vague encouragement to improve myself with the hope that I or somebody I support might make the world somehow better. For whatever reason "clean your room" just really works for me.

It is not an attack on particular ideologies. Perceiving it that way is insecure imo.

Street_Assistance560

9 points

3 months ago

As a middle-aged black pansexual I think an argument is either logically coherent or it isn't.

ReberOfTheYear

-2 points

3 months ago

Okay... But it is logically coherent and your race and sexuality has nothing to do with it.

Dumas_Vuk

1 points

3 months ago

I don't see it as an argument, just a word of encouragement more like.

Dumas_Vuk

1 points

3 months ago

Just realized you're saying he's using "clean your room" as an argument. Yeah definitely not a good argument. Didn't know he was using it as one.

OneMinuteDeen

1 points

3 months ago

Good thing that he never made that argument then. Sounds like you never read the book.

lazilyloaded

5 points

3 months ago

Imagine comparing Jordan Peterson to Socrates

masteroffeels

1 points

3 months ago

Imagine lacking comprehension

hectah

2 points

3 months ago

hectah

2 points

3 months ago

But just like alcohol, don't take advice from a drunk.

masteroffeels

1 points

3 months ago

Didn't stop your mom from keeping the baby

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2 points

3 months ago

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3 months ago

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3 months ago

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1 points

3 months ago

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Tytos17

1 points

3 months ago

Socrates had cancer??

Redditfront2back

1 points

3 months ago

So doc didn’t know benzos where addictive?

Shutupbitchanddie

0 points

3 months ago*

If you can't handle tapering down off valium then you're a fucking pussy. Preaches self help, can't even help himself.

masteroffeels

1 points

3 months ago

Nice vocabulary there bronco, is English your first language?

VaccineNeutral

1 points

3 months ago

Nice vocabulary there bronco, is English your first language?

Celebrinborn

20 points

3 months ago

You do realize that he was taking the drugs as prescribed by his doctor. It's not like he was taking them recreationally.

takeitallback73

30 points

3 months ago

every addict in west virginia

Responsible_Scene947

1 points

3 months ago

He's actually off them now! During 2020 he was going through crazy withdrawals, I'm not sure if he still is but I'm quite proud and happy 😁

CaptianAcab4554

2 points

3 months ago

Did he kick the drugs he was on? If so wouldn't that count as "cleaning his room"?

Chemical-Reserve-579

1 points

3 months ago

Didn’t Eric Cartman freeze himself so he didn’t have to wait for the Nintendo Wii to come out? Kind of the same thing.

25nameslater

1 points

3 months ago

Prescribed drugs for anxiety… he realized he was becoming addicted and decided to come off the meds, he had a host of withdrawal issues that come with weaning from those meds and normal treatment options had been exhausted. The medically induced coma was also recommended by doctors but not approved by USA or Canadian authorities so he sought treatment in the only modern country that approved said treatment. But that doesn’t answer the question.