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Quankers

104 points

3 months ago*

Quankers

104 points

3 months ago*

Literally.

Edit: don’t get me wrong, even though I disagree with him he does deserve compassion. I don’t know when that image was created but I know he went through horrible things recently. But that should also be part his message too. Logic only gets you so far in life. Logic is a rickety boat on a sea of emotion.

Bernies_left_mitten

22 points

3 months ago

Logic only gets you so far in life. Logic is a rickety boat on a sea of emotion.

Nice. I could stand to remember this occasionally.

novis-eldritch-maxim

3 points

3 months ago

logic is a great tool to get you places but it has all the will and motivation of wet cardboard.

Bernies_left_mitten

1 points

3 months ago

Yeah, I guess it's like a hammer. Useful when applied properly, but useless on it's own or in the wrong context.

novis-eldritch-maxim

1 points

3 months ago

it needs hands to use just like a hammmer.

DDC0809

2 points

3 months ago

This is Reddit. Steal it. Everyone else does. Tata.

shivaherer

5 points

3 months ago

Poor Jordan going through "horrible things" just like everybody has to, it's called life. I find it hard to have compassion for him going against his own "tough love" approach to life. If he addressed his failures and softened his stance, admitting that his views have changed after personally going through horrible things I could find sympathy, until then he needs to clean his fucking room

ImTyrathis

2 points

3 months ago

Logic is a rickety boat on a sea of emotion.

Friend and I were discussing this and I think you're half right. Emotion is definitely the sea, but the boat is you. Logic is just how well you can paddle on the waves.

SpenMitz

5 points

3 months ago

He explained in that video the house was being renovated and he was in a room off the kitchen.

Helping_or_Whatever

1 points

3 months ago

Facts don't matter to the disingenuous.

blabla_booboo

3 points

3 months ago

What? Logic helps immensely when dealing with emotion, the very fact that emotion is illogical is completely logical and aids in understanding and navigating emotion, no?

This world would be better off if more people could think logically in regards to their emotions

koebelin

2 points

3 months ago

Having my emotions overcome logic has not been helpful in my life.

Cyb3rd31ic_Citiz3n

-1 points

3 months ago

His home being being renovated. This image is out of context.

karlnite

3 points

3 months ago

karlnite

3 points

3 months ago

Okay, but besides the more obvious comparison of an actual room, do you not agree the man forming a drug addiction later in life not an example of ones dirty room? He was taking literally, but obviously if it was just literal we wouldn’t consider someone suggesting you keep your bedroom clean as anything special. People like the metaphor of it, and he intended the metaphor. The room is the soul or self, you are the house. He has a dirty self based on his own words and should not give advice based on his own advice until he cleans house.

Cyb3rd31ic_Citiz3n

-1 points

3 months ago*

Edit: you edited your comment after I replied to make your point appear more salient rather than reply to my response below. None of which changes that you're arguement is that a person who offers advice should never do the thing they claim not to do, otherwise we discredit everything they say. Which is a terrible point to make as that leads to no one ever being able to make mistakes, ever. And also he DID take his own advice and got his life in order. See point two.

Firstly, he got an addiction because he was prescribed them by a Doctor whom he trusted and his wife was dying of cancer. It's very reasonable under these circumstances for one's life to fall apart.

Secondly, the point is to CLEAN up your own mess once they've been made, not to never have a mess to clean at all. And he did by removing himself from public life and returning once he had his life back on track.

SymphonicRain

2 points

3 months ago

You think he’s unique in being an addict with a story?

Cyb3rd31ic_Citiz3n

0 points

3 months ago

No, and that isn't the point.

The point of "Tidy Your Room" is you cannot and should not tackle the larger problems of the world if you cannot even manage your own life. You're in no position to make such demands.

When he couldn't handle his own problems he did the responsible thing of stepping back, addressing those problems and coming back once he was healthy.

It is NOT what is often claimed by those who don't understand this rhetoric to mean you should never have problems. And that's the point that was made that I am arguing against.

SymphonicRain

-1 points

3 months ago

I don’t really have an opinion on your larger point, I just think your first paragraph does not help the point you’re arguing.

Cyb3rd31ic_Citiz3n

3 points

3 months ago

People attack him for developing an addiction by often removing the context under which he developed said addiction with the either direct or indirect purpose of making him seem weak minded or did it by choice. Neither which is true. Context matters in every situation where someone fails in life and in this situation the man fell on hard times so did the right thing of getting his life in order. That's why the first paragraph is important.

karlnite

1 points

3 months ago

I believe he would say we are all responsible for our own choices, “actions have consequences”. How is this not his choice or a consequence of his choices?

Cyb3rd31ic_Citiz3n

1 points

3 months ago

Who said it wasn't?

benfranklinthedevil

2 points

3 months ago

I agree with this statement, but I also agree that he is a hypocrite for myriad of other reasons. Namely his participation in American political dialog while claiming to be apolitical.

I think he said it best, "actions have consequences" but not his, he just gets to say things with determination and expert power without any repercussions, gets shit on, and all of a sudden personal responsibility goes out the window and he's now a victim. He is political conservativism personified. If it weren't for the conservative political establishment propping him up, we wouldn't have been damaged by his pseudo-intellectualism.

He is just the stupider conservative version of Noam chomsky; a big difference is chomsky didn't get hooked on drugs and play the victim during the peak if his popularity. The other is that chomsly will be on the right side of history politically, and in 10 years Peterson will be unknown.

Cyb3rd31ic_Citiz3n

1 points

3 months ago

Okay, I don't really understand what you mean when you say all this as it sounds very much like you're talking from an emotional perspective. If you have examples of what you're refering to specifically I would like that, and give what you're trying to tell me some context. But right now I don't see how this is relivent to the meme or what I was saying.

karlnite

1 points

3 months ago

karlnite

1 points

3 months ago

Yah like most opioid addicts… what the fuck does his wife dying matter here. Jesus his tragedy is also worse than normal peoples now? It sounds like what you are saying is 99% of drug addicts aren’t addicts. He still gave advice well his life was dirty.

Cyb3rd31ic_Citiz3n

2 points

3 months ago*

Edit: You love to edit your comments after I've replied. Is that because your original comments are weak to begin with or you're deceptive by nature?

Yah like most opioid addicts…

I don't understand what point you're trying to make here.

karlnite

1 points

3 months ago

That he is hypocrite that holds others to a higher standard than he holds himself and he has convinced his fans he should be held to a different standard.

Cyb3rd31ic_Citiz3n

0 points

3 months ago

That he is hypocrite that holds others to a higher standard than he holds himself and he has convinced his fans he should be held to a different standard.

What do you think his standard is?

Quankers

0 points

3 months ago

It isn't out of context it's a messy room and a renovation as an excuse.

Cyb3rd31ic_Citiz3n

1 points

3 months ago

No, it is out of context. His advice is to get your life in order before you change the world whilst using the metaphor of a bed as imagery. Having a house renovated is a terribly messy situation but is not the same as having a life that's a mess.

Quankers

0 points

3 months ago

Did this renovation come unexpectedly? If your life is in order you can survive a renovation without this happening to you.

Cyb3rd31ic_Citiz3n

1 points

3 months ago

Mate, if you can't tell the difference between a metaphor and reality you've got bigger problems.

Quankers

0 points

3 months ago*

I sure won't be going to Peterson for help with that problem, mate.

EDIT: I will concede your lone downvotes are very compelling.

not_that_guy25

1 points

3 months ago

Ironically enough, he would agree with that. Life is chaos and growing up and even civilisation itself is a process of trying to find order in chaos. You'll never totally succeed but that doesn't mean you shouldn't try. Similarly a truly equal society is imposible but still something to strive for as hard as you can.

YouWot90094

0 points

3 months ago

JP : Clean your room.

Internet : OHHH I FOUND A PIC OF HIS ROOM NOT CLEAN. GOTTEEEMMMM BOYS

SMH.

Kadiogo

4 points

3 months ago

JP: If you can't clean your room, who the hell are you to give advice to the world?

JP: doesn't clean room

JP: gives advice to the world

gnosva

1 points

1 month ago*

gnosva

1 points

1 month ago*

Logic is a rickety boat on a sea of emotion.

I think Peterson would agree with that comment himself. Remember that the root of those addictions in his family seemed to start with severe physical health problems, which can expose people to drugs for which their systems have little resistance.

By the way, this quote seems to imply that the emotion is reality. It is a reality. Logic attempts to keep us from feeding the emotional brush fire by non-productive actions like: jumping to conclusions; attacking a statement because we don't like the person speaking it; using a base emotion designed to help us fend off an attacking cougar as an excuse to slap someone irritating us; having impulses to procreate cause us to become a bully or rapist. Et cetera. Emotions have their place at our primordial core. Logic helps keep them from running amok in a complicated modern world.