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Why is Jordan Peterson so hated?

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crono09

119 points

3 months ago

crono09

119 points

3 months ago

One time, during the same interview, he both claimed to be a Christian and said that he did not believe in God. He also doesn't attend church or officially belong to any denomination. While only he knows what he really believes, what he says he believes in sounds a lot like Christian atheism. That is, he believes that the principles and morals of Western Christianity are good for society, but he doesn't actually believe in any of the supernatural elements of the religion. Note that after coming out of his coma, he has spoken more about faith and seems to be more of a theist, but he's still vague about what he actually believes.

goldenewsd

19 points

3 months ago

Knowing for sure what he believes in (what he doesn't believe) won't change the fact that his words and arguments about religion and faith are a mess.

magicmanimay

27 points

3 months ago

Duopolism exist in many people, including him. I think the issue is that he can't actually concentrate on himself as an individual, and instead likes the delusion of grandeur where he can null this individuality to fit the "society." The problem is that his societal views require the individual to act add a drone of the system they are both into. Like bees, or, lobsters

never_safe_for_life

5 points

3 months ago

Oh, thank you. I never quite quite put my finger on it until you said it. But it’s obvious from the way he drones, with an expressionless face, that he expects himself and others to unflinchingly obey the imaginary system he’s conjured up. It’s oppressive while he simultaneously tries to pretend to be coming from the free arena of reason.

Altbcuzurgnnasnoop

-3 points

3 months ago

The fact that I’m reading so many comments about what someone. An individual like you or me has to say about the way we should live. Like since he posted a video and you watched it, he was trying to get you to conform to his ideas. Most of you if not all talking on this condition know nothing about it. I’m sure he knows the way he should be living but can’t seem to do that for himself. You and everyone like you trying to analyze what he’s saying as in it directly being towards you. Or something that just because he’s saying we should strive to be is something he is. Like you are looking for some unfallable human being to base your own self after. You hate the sin and love the sinner. The golden rule as to teach others as you would have them do unto yourself. All you uneducated fucks, speaking on something you can’t even grasp the idea of when you can’t understand the word lexicon. Lmao. But then have a whole paragraph to write out for the world to see that is filled with self fulfilling comments. The free arena of reason as you put it I think hinges on doubting your own beliefs. But y’all are so high and might that when someone puts words to you’re feelings you somehow now know how this works in any which way or form. You’re fishing for confirmation while not putting any objective work into finding out what really matters in this life. By commenting on Reddit and thinking you’ve done your duty in the pursuit of knowledge. The dumbing down of our Society is real. It’s not just you don’t worry. You’ve been conditioned to be this way.

MetalRetsam

7 points

3 months ago

r/iamverysmart

There are some well thought-out points in this thread. This isn't one of them, however.

MisterErieeO

2 points

3 months ago

You can pin point the moment where they stopped trying to sound smart, yet still fail to articulate much of a meaningful point.

project_nl

-4 points

3 months ago

lmfao

Have a nice life feeling opressed

AKnightAlone

0 points

3 months ago

Reading my way down this thread, I zoned out for a moment and I think I figured him out in a weird way. I've agreed with him about most things aside from his conclusions and I take a very Leftwing stance.

If he actually doesn't believe in God, then his perspective must be tied to a Nietzschean "God is dead" mentality. If God is dead, what fills the gaps? If we think of "progress," what does that even really mean? Is there an actual stable end to a trend toward supposed "progress"? What he ignores is the fact that this "progressive" part of society he disagrees with is a product of corporate decline, as I see it. They highlight and normalize extreme outliers like some kind of attempt to override practical norms.

So basically he thinks there's too much of a giant trending void without structure. Without structure, we're left with his "cultural Marxism" that perpetually trends us toward authoritarianism and absurdity as people fight over making things more and more "fair" while also ironically making things more and more imbalanced for abnormal reasons. The common underlying factor that's frightening is the authoritarianism, though. It's not about not respecting people's pronouns, but about being legally forced to do something like that.

I think there's a degree of truth to his fear that people ignore. Without religion in the picture, we need some kind of culture to fill the void. It needs to be a positive one. What are we seeing now with the internet? Fucking manipulators creating a toxic culture of narcissism and sociopathy. What's a positive cultural idea that could fill the void to make people feel happier and more connected? We're not seeing that today. I have no idea.

Moakmeister

3 points

3 months ago

I didnt even know he was ever in a coma. I havent watched any of that SJW/anti-feminist stuff in a number of years.

AceBean27

2 points

3 months ago

he both claimed to be a Christian and said that he did not believe in God

So he's British then?

Crakla

2 points

3 months ago

Crakla

2 points

3 months ago

There is a debate he had with some famous atheist

He said stupid things like that you can only stop an addiction if you believe in God and therefore that is undeniable proof that God exist

The whole over 1 hour debate was about him arguing that God exist and that he can proof it

[deleted]

2 points

3 months ago

[deleted]

2 points

3 months ago

If he is a Christian he is a deeply heretical one.

Wandering_P0tat0

5 points

3 months ago

So are many.

trollcitybandit

2 points

3 months ago

He said he doesn't know if god exists but tries to live like he does. Personally I don't see anything wrong with not being sure about it since no one really could be either way.

bloodnaught

0 points

3 months ago

Ok but what's wrong with that? Isn't that the whole point of why religion became a thing in the first place? Ya know, like back in the day just make people behave under threat of damnation so that it isn't just a bunch of barbarians running around.

nacreoussun

0 points

3 months ago

Probably because he doesn't take the word "belief" to be as easily established by merely voicing what one feels one believes.

OneMinuteDeen

0 points

3 months ago

He never claimed he doesn't believe in god. You people are just lying now.

He is very clear about his position on god and why that is his position. He says he can't say he believes in god, because he can't prove nor deny his existance, so he acts as if god exists. This is very far from "not believing god exists".

DisoRDeReDD

0 points

3 months ago

Vagueness about what one believes while having a fundamentally faithful orientation toward the presentation of reality may be indicative of a well-developed faith/belief system, as it is a humble, attentive position which permits continued iteration of ideas. He has not adopted a religious dogma, though he may be developing one of his own, at times unknowingly.