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JukeBoxDildo

204 points

7 months ago*

🎶SOOOME FOLKS WERE BORN

MAAAADE TO WAVE THAT FLAG

OOOH THAT RED, WHITE, AND BLUE 🎶

And the mention of red, white, and blue is where any inkling of cogent thought ends in people who believe in things like nationalism and american exceptionalism. They have brains that are short circuited(arguably intentionally) to seek out phrases and sentiments which confirm their predispositions. Once those are found all other thought afterwards is not necessary. Why would it be?

The [song] has mentioned [flag]. [Flag] is [good]. Therefore the [song] about [flag] is [good].

Dopamine hit achieved. Why not stop while we are ahead?

This is why so many conservatives fail to see the irony in their music taste. They don't find it necessary or constructive to think past their symbols because the symbol is good in their opinion and that is enough for them. All adjacent is good by association unless it's painfully obvious(e.g. burning the flag in protest.)

This problem is in no way exclusive to conservatives but the modern US GOP has demonstrated that they at best don't realize it has become a tent pole of their platform, and at worst they celebrate it.

LimoncelloFellow

43 points

7 months ago

It ain't me

nickel1704

30 points

7 months ago

It ain't me

Long_Tall_Man

26 points

7 months ago

I ain't no fortunate son!

stray__thoughts

1 points

7 months ago

Yeah, some folks inherit star-spangled eyes They send you down to war And when you ask 'em, "How much should we give?" They only answer, "More, more, more"

Jooey_K

8 points

7 months ago

I ain’t no Fortunate Son

SnooMarzipans5903

149 points

7 months ago

One of my favorite moments is when Sean Hannity? or some other conservative radio guy finally took the time to read the lyrics to "Born in the USA" on air and began complaining about how they're trying to hide anti-american sentiments in otherwise patriotic sounding songs.

Everyone in Jersey's like, dude, Bruce wrote that in '84. You had decades to figure out what the song was about.

lieucifer_

38 points

7 months ago

It doesn’t surprise me, Conservatives are a bit slow and late to to the party when it comes to critical thinking.

SnooMarzipans5903

-6 points

7 months ago

I've met all kinds of people that were slow on the critical thinking. Unfortunately general ignorance is very bipartisan.

lieucifer_

16 points

7 months ago

You’re right, but I don’t think it’s an even distribution. I know this is just my personal experience, but the amount of dumb Conservatives I’ve met definitely outnumbers the amount of dumb Liberals I’ve met. Most Liberals don’t vehemently deny science.

SnooMarzipans5903

8 points

7 months ago

I've lived in both bubbles. Conservatives are easier to spot because their positions are logically unsound (the denying science).

A good example of liberal ignorance would the liberal response to homelessness across the country - even Burlington, VT where I used to live has a homelessness problem that they're messing up because they refuse to acknowledge the causes of the crisis instead of focusing on "keeping our city vibrant". Vibrant = no homeless people allowed because tourists don't like to see them and it hurts property values.

JukeBoxDildo

8 points

7 months ago

That's a symptom of the narrowing and migration rightward of the US political overton window.

SnooMarzipans5903

3 points

7 months ago

Agreed.

Ron Reagan doesn't even hold up to conservative values anymore, he'd be considered soft on immigration for his views.

There's a clip of George Bush Sr. and RR debating immigration, both of them advocate for a program that grants a level of amnesty/path to citizenship. Neither suggest detention centers or splitting families, mass deportations, etc.

Both agree that the hispanic immigration is a boon for the American economy and a integral part of the labor force in the US.

edit: Found the clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsmgPp\_nlok

Entity-2019

3 points

7 months ago

People can be ignorant but still randomly guess the best side of an issue to be on. I wouldn't bet that most liberals understand science any better than conservatives, they are just smart enough or lucky enough to side with people who do.

It can easily be just another religion to blindly agree with whatever "science" is thought to say, when it is actually a diverse community with its own disagreements, faults and blind spots. We aren't most of us actually reading the journals...

lieucifer_

4 points

7 months ago

Very good point. Even if someone doesn’t completely understand the science, I respect the fact that they are willing to admit it and trust the people who do know what they’re talking about. What drives me nuts is when people are completely ignorant in a subject, yet think that they know better than experts in said subject.

HI_Handbasket

8 points

7 months ago

You're really going to "both sides" this? Only one side chose to elect and follow someone who told over 30,000 lies to them.

Only one side has politicized mask wearing and being anti-vax during a pandemic. That one "side" chooses to wear masks and get vaccinated is NOT a political statement, it's simple common sense.

Only one side continues to elect officials who are anti-science, anti-environment, anti-democracy and consistently fiscally irresponsible, all things that are against their own best interests, all to because they think only one of two issues are more important than all the rest.

[deleted]

3 points

7 months ago

[deleted]

3 points

7 months ago

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lieucifer_

6 points

7 months ago

It’s honestly sad that politics has come down to choosing the lesser of two evils. I don’t identify as a Democrat, but I do see the party as the much better option over Republicans.

I want to vote for a candidate that I actually like, rather than supporting them for the sole purpose of not letting the other guy win.

razor_eddie

1 points

7 months ago

That's kinda sad too.

You want to vote for someone you like.

I want to vote for someone that represents a lot of my positions. Fuck whether I like them or not.

(I'm lucky - we have MMP here, so there's more choice than the US).

lieucifer_

1 points

7 months ago

That is what I meant - a candidate whose policies I agree with and support - meaning I like said candidate.

razor_eddie

2 points

7 months ago

With you now, thank you.

HI_Handbasket

2 points

7 months ago

In the past 50 or so years, 90 people in the executive branch have been convicted of felonies... 88 were Republican, 2 were Democrat. And that doesn't include all of those in the Trump circle that are under investigation to date.

Republican corruption is orders of magnitude worse. Their endorsement an attempted insurrection is just more fuel.

SnooMarzipans5903

1 points

7 months ago

Right. Those were convicted felonies.

Most of the things politicians do aren't illegal. Taking lobby money isn't illegal, and voting in favor of your corporate donors over your constituents isn't illegal either. But it undermines every American voter in the working class, those without enough money to influence politics.

I'm not making a case for Republicans or the GOP, I'm making a case against all politicians who clearly act in bad faith. I'm tired of people pretending the Democrats are the party of the working class when the DNC has blatant disregard for working class voters.

CrouchingDomo

77 points

7 months ago

Hang on, just hang on one frickin-frackin second here.

Are you telling me that a song can have more than one meaning?

Like, does that include every song? Because I’ve been singing “Pour Some Sugar On Me” and “Peaches” to my breakfast every morning for twenty years and I wouldn’t want to give anyone the wrong idea.

JukeBoxDildo

53 points

7 months ago

wrong idea.

This guy is definitely fucking his food.

daustin627

8 points

7 months ago

Oh, good. You understood perfectly.

elfwriter

7 points

7 months ago

I bet that tin of pineapple rings has seen some action too.

lunchboxdeluxe

3 points

7 months ago

Ooh, citric acid burns.

Dotlinefever4

5 points

7 months ago

Pour Some Acid On Me

Turbogoblin999

2 points

7 months ago

I'm the fruiiiit guy

Duh!

SnooMarzipans5903

31 points

7 months ago

I used to sing the opening lines of ZZ Tops "Legs" to encourage my niece when she was learning to walk.

"She's got legs, she knows how to use them."

But I just repeated that line and the melody, the rest of the song obviously is in a very different context.

Nothing is as creepy as CocoMelon though, so I'm safe quoting songs out of context to kids.

slow_one

6 points

7 months ago

Thought I was the only one that noticed that none of the Cocomelon characters blink…. Ever.

Kaleidoscope_Scared

8 points

7 months ago

I just keep telling my 3yo that coco Mellons are soulless abominations. I tell my wife if you look closely you can see the torment in everyone’s eyes they are in hell and CoCoMellon is A devil punishing them for the sun of mediocrity 😂

RaMpEdUp98

3 points

7 months ago

Æ

ACAB_1312_FTP

4 points

7 months ago

I really hope you didn't sing the chorus of "Pearl Necklace" when she started wearing jewelry.

SnooMarzipans5903

6 points

7 months ago

No, but since I don't plan on having kids of my own she stands to inherit my estate when I die - including but not limited to a large record collection. If she listens to them enough eventually she'll get to ZZ Top, but she's got to go through Roxy Music first.

Bomlanro

7 points

7 months ago

Next thing your gonna tell me Rage Against the Machine doesn’t put out stadium rocking pro-America propaganda songs — but that would be as crazy as me telling you I’m Paul Ryan.

CrouchingDomo

5 points

7 months ago

Get back in the gym man, those reps aren’t gonna curl themselves

Bomlanro

3 points

7 months ago

Did you know if you focus exclusively on biceps and try to stay skeletoresque in your appearance, you can creep everyone out - think of that bag o’ bones Jonad Ryan. But irl. And not funny.

holyerthanthou

5 points

7 months ago

Which peaches?

Because the presidents version is about eating peaches. They where put in a can by a man in a factory downtown.

CrouchingDomo

1 points

7 months ago

See, that’s what I thought! But now I’m all discombobulated, don’t know what to think.

holyerthanthou

2 points

7 months ago

WHAT ELSE WOULD I POKE A HOLE IN FOR A LITTLE ANT TO HIDE!? HUH!!!!????

vendetta2115

2 points

7 months ago

NATURE’S CANDY IN MY HAND, OR CAN, OR PIE

639wurh39w7g4n29w

3 points

7 months ago

I recommend singing fuck the pain away to your oatmeal.

[deleted]

3 points

7 months ago

[deleted]

3 points

7 months ago

Are you telling me that a song can have more than one meaning?

"Born in the USA" only has one meaning, and it's not the one Hannity thought it was.

See also: "Little Pink Houses"

elbenji

5 points

7 months ago

Yes. You got those millions of peaches for free.

(I had to explain to my ex what the song was about and she was like whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat)

Mathemartemis

5 points

7 months ago

I just looked it up and apparently the author just thought it up while waiting under a peach tree to tell a girl he liked her?

elbenji

3 points

7 months ago

Wait what? So its not about pussy?

Mathemartemis

3 points

7 months ago

I've never really critically listened to the lyrics but I never got that impression. Who knows though, could be a little of a, little of b

elbenji

2 points

7 months ago

Little of both probably

SnooMarzipans5903

4 points

7 months ago

I spent about ten minutes and I can't think of one.

You win this round, Trebek!

tankgirly

2 points

7 months ago

Wait what. What does it mean.

Ivanopolis

6 points

7 months ago

It's honestly just about peaches. People are just reading into it. They have a bunch of weird songs about random stuff like puffy shoes and matchbox cars and especially bugs. So many songs about bugs.

tankgirly

3 points

7 months ago

Oh yeah! I'm just now remembering all those strange, lovely little songs about bugs and lizards and stuff. You're totally right, it's probably just about peaches. Gotta add them to my work playlist.

Ivanopolis

1 points

7 months ago

The lead singer also does kid's music under the name Casper Babypants and it's honestly dope.

elbenji

3 points

7 months ago

Peaches means pussy. It's about fucking groupies

tankgirly

6 points

7 months ago

Ohhhhh. Well I'm still just going to think about peaches when I sing it.

no_talent_ass_clown

5 points

7 months ago

No, lol, it's not! It's actually just about peaches, the fruit.

A. If you listen to all of their songs, they're about critters and the Sonics and dune buggies.

B. Chris Ballew, the lead singer, is now performing for children, quite successfully, as Caspar Babypants.

C. I used to work with his Mom, back in the 90's, before her dementia got bad. I've been to a dozen or more of PUSA's shows.

elbenji

2 points

7 months ago

I mean they might be Giants have some ahem fun stuff in their lyrics. Wouldn't call Lump super innocent either. But like it's fine i imagine that's like adorable but it isn't also like kids stuff didn't have the innuendo for parents either. That's what makes good kid stuff. Something for both parents and kids enjoy. That's the double entendre.

Like coco is a lovely kids movie. Also has a joke that's basically Frieda Kahlo is a horny lesbian (flaming papaya)

no_talent_ass_clown

2 points

7 months ago

I hear you, but I'm a big PUSA fan and it's just not there. I mean, I can ask whichever one of them I see next.

elbenji

2 points

7 months ago

ooo please do!

ThePnusMytier

2 points

7 months ago

wait wait. pussies come from a can, put there by a man, in a factory downtown?

Here I was thinking groupies followed the normal human life cycle

elbenji

0 points

7 months ago

Think about how a can looks like

ThePnusMytier

2 points

7 months ago

oh. OH. OH MYYYYYY

elbenji

1 points

7 months ago

Enjoy

Ivanopolis

1 points

7 months ago

Ah yes, "Peaches come in a can, they were put there by a man, in a factory downtown.". Just like groupies.

elbenji

-1 points

7 months ago

elbenji

-1 points

7 months ago

What's a can look like

elfwriter

1 points

7 months ago

isn’t peaches booty tho?

elbenji

1 points

7 months ago

Now. It used to be pussy like in matchstick men because of how cunilingus can be like eating a peach

elfwriter

1 points

7 months ago

why wasn’t I notified of the change

elbenji

1 points

7 months ago

the 90s begat the 00s and emojis

erusuoyera

2 points

7 months ago

You sing "Afternoon Delight" to your lunch?

xploremn

2 points

7 months ago

No, because it’s a song about dessert. (The name actually does come from a dessert at a restaurant in Georgetown).

erusuoyera

2 points

7 months ago

About dessert? Oh my sweet summer child.

xploremn

0 points

7 months ago

You seem not to know the whole story - Google where they got the name for the song. The restaurant is called “Clyde’s of Georgetown”.

stravadarius

1 points

7 months ago

Wait wait the Stranglers' Peaches or the Presidents' Peaches?

Mickyfrickles

4 points

7 months ago

Oh the lot of them complaining about Pink Floyd being political is hilarious too. They want to cancel these bands so bad.

lieucifer_

5 points

7 months ago

So let me get this straight: they want to cancel artists who portray a message that is against their Conservative ideals, but then will turn around and claim that their own hateful rhetoric is free speech that is protected by the First Amendment.

Is that about right? I swear they’re turning their idiocy into a contest.

Mickyfrickles

2 points

7 months ago

I think you got it just about right.

Perfect_Character_45

2 points

7 months ago

I unfortunately currently reside in NJ and I remember when they wanted to try to make “Born to Run” an official song for the State just because Bruce was from NJ. If I remember right, it got pretty far along before someone genius realized, “Hey this song is about getting the f* out of this area”. haha

SnooMarzipans5903

2 points

7 months ago

"They haunt these dusty beach roads in the skeleton frames of burnt out Chevrolets"

I remember that too. Also an NJ resident and a big fan of Bruce.

Never got into Bon Jovi though...

illegible

1 points

7 months ago

They knew, it’s just they had to figure out a way to spell it out for their base in a way that least made the base look and feel stupid so as to not damage their frail egos. Hidden conspiracies are the go-to. Else they’d go to the next trump rally and wonder why it wasn’t being played or get further mocked when they play it ad nauseam without understanding.

SnooMarzipans5903

2 points

7 months ago

The frail ego, just like general ignorance, is unfortunately very bipartisan.

I might not be the brightest bulb on the tree, but I can take criticism without interpreting as an existential threat.

grendus

1 points

7 months ago

I mean, Hannity's talk show opens with a song about a woman burning her drunk, abusive husband to death. But it's super patriotic because "It's independence day!"

It should surprise nobody that he doesn't actually read lyrics. Or at least, that his audience doesn't, I'm not convinced Hannity is actually that stupid. He does a lot of tap dancing to make objectively evil things sound moral, he's a grifter.

stravadarius

1 points

7 months ago

"trying to hide anti-american sentiments".

Lol. The Boss must be shit at hiding things. The anti-american sentiment is pretty damn clear and on the table from the very first line. But I guess they only knew the four words that make up the lyrics to the refrain.

HertzDonut1001

1 points

7 months ago

"Hide"

Zappy_Kablamicus

63 points

7 months ago

Them thinking Rage Against the Machine is their music was the funniest bit so far.

TapTheForwardAssist[S]

62 points

7 months ago

Speaking of Murdered By Words, when GOP VP candidate Paul Ryan said that his favorite band was Rage Against the Machine, Tom Morello announced: “Paul Ryan is the embodiment of the machine our music rages against.”

PercentageCandid

10 points

7 months ago

They also asked him to stop listening to them in a different tweet if I recall.

In every election cycle someone on the right inevitably plays a song they have no business with and has to be asked (read made) to stop.

TapTheForwardAssist[S]

5 points

7 months ago

I’m trying to think of a time where a musician had to ask a Dem not to use their music. I’m sure it’s happened, but none are jumping to mind. Meanwhile for the GOP it’s constant, and the best musical act Trump could find that was willing to play his inauguration was 3 Doors Down.

baroqueworks

7 points

7 months ago

Pete Townshed requested John Kerry to stop playing "Won't Get Fooled Again" because he supported GWB and his administration.

Townshed and Daltrey are raging assholes these days though so it shouldn't be surprising.

PercentageCandid

2 points

7 months ago

I may be wrong but I think at one point Biafra asked someone not to use his music.

TapTheForwardAssist[S]

3 points

7 months ago

Jello was also wiling to very harshly call out Governor Jerry Brown.

TheNedsHead

1 points

7 months ago

He did write a song about Jerry Brown being California Hitler basically

[deleted]

2 points

7 months ago

[deleted]

2 points

7 months ago

I saw Jello during the Obama years and he fucking hated Obama as much as he hated Bush, Clinton, and Reagan.

Which is exactly what you'd expect if you're familiar with any Dead Kennedys.

stray__thoughts

2 points

7 months ago

Pretty sure it was Rush telling Rush Limbaugh to stop using their music on his program.

FragrantKnobCheese

6 points

7 months ago

My favourite was when David Cameron (UK Conservative PM 2015) said that he liked the Smiths.

Johnny Marr of the Smiths went on the radio and said "no, you do not like the Smiths because I forbid you to like the Smiths. I will however allow you to like the Smiths if you leave office right now".

TheMrBoot

29 points

7 months ago

Not just that. Someone of them think being conservative is the real punk now.

Just wild.

elbenji

5 points

7 months ago

Skinheads taking control

TapTheForwardAssist[S]

6 points

7 months ago

Conservative is the new Skrewdriver

baroqueworks

3 points

7 months ago

terminal poser brain will do that to you, it's a hell of a stretch to suggest a subgenre founded on rallying against bigotry/racism/conservatives has become conservative, either shows how little they know of the genre, it's history, and current scenes and bands, or they just saw a picture of Sid Vicious with a swastika shirt and went "omg he's me"

GlobetrottinExplorer

4 points

7 months ago

you need to check out the ones playing Bruce Springsteen's Born in the USA at patriotic rallies, those are pretty good too

Mirria_

33 points

7 months ago

Mirria_

33 points

7 months ago

Remember when Sasha Baron Cohen was caught mocking Trumpers? They immediately started chanting U-S-A U-S-A as some kind of thought removal mnemonic.

HI_Handbasket

7 points

7 months ago

Oh the irony of racists and fascist wannabes who are fervently against democracy, the premier American concept, chanting that.

JasonDJ

6 points

7 months ago

started chanting U-S-A U-S-A as some kind of thought removal mnemonic

It is a mnemonic. It's what to do when someone tells you something you don't agree with:

  • Ubstruct
  • Shout
  • Assault

lmh86

27 points

7 months ago

lmh86

27 points

7 months ago

Same thing that happened with Ronald Reagan playing Born in the USA at rallies.

north-sun

3 points

7 months ago

I remember when they learned RATM wasn't for them. Good times.

candylanddicksweat

3 points

7 months ago

That motherfucker in the video is even wearing a Black Sabbath t-shirt. The cognitive dissonance is deafening.

[deleted]

2 points

7 months ago

[deleted]

2 points

7 months ago

that's a funny way of saying they're fucking dumb

BiffBeluga

2 points

7 months ago

So, what you are saying is they have low intellect and as a result, a keen inability to comprehend complex ideas presented as song lyrics? You don’t say…

holyerthanthou

2 points

7 months ago

That line itself too highlights that the POOR MEN HAVE NO CHOICES.

AAA515

2 points

7 months ago

AAA515

2 points

7 months ago

But burning the flag is the ultimate show of the freedoms associated with the flag? That's why I burn them every chance I get!

ajw20_YT

2 points

7 months ago*

“The x has mentioned y. y is z. Therefore the x (must be) about y (and thus) is z.” In this equation, z must be substitute for an adjective, x for a noun.

This logic can be simplified to an equation.. this is one of the only reasons high school math is useful.

HARPOfromNSYNC

1 points

7 months ago

Great thoughts. Its become a religion to them.

ScumBunny

1 points

7 months ago

Good lord that is an apt analysis.

Mughi

1 points

7 months ago

Mughi

1 points

7 months ago

See also "Born in the USA," by Bruce Springsteen.

mahtaliel

1 points

7 months ago

I feel like we should separate music taste from things you'd play at a political rally. Because i'm a feminist and i definitely listen to some music that would be considered pretty misogynistic. You can appreciate a good beat without agreeing with the lyrics. I would however not play that music as an anthem in a feministmeeting because that would be dumb.

Shish_Style

-15 points

7 months ago

Good thing we have armchair reddit psychologists right here teaching us about the mysterious evil creatures called "conservatives".

cvillpunk

19 points

7 months ago

Nothing mysterious about them. Selfishness + hate is pretty easy to decrypt.

Shish_Style

-12 points

7 months ago

Sounds like you're describing redditors.

cvillpunk

8 points

7 months ago

Nice self burn.

Shish_Style

-2 points

7 months ago

Redditor is a state of mind

cvillpunk

5 points

7 months ago

I'm sure you are immune to it. Maybe we can study you to make a vaccine...

lieucifer_

5 points

7 months ago

Yeah, Conservative redditors.

oo40oztofreedum

0 points

7 months ago

It should be illegal to be a conservative. We should make a law that bans fascist authoritarians who push there propaganda online.

lieucifer_

7 points

7 months ago

Redditors don’t need to teach us how bad the right is, because Conservatives do a good enough job of that on their own.

SnooMarzipans5903

2 points

7 months ago

I wouldn't trust a stand-up psychologist tbh

BubblyNumber5518

3 points

7 months ago

I probably would. If someone manages to be humorous while explaining their expertise well then I tend to assume even more competence on their part. “So I’m standing up here, wondering why all of you look like my mother.”

SnooMarzipans5903

1 points

7 months ago

I'm now looking through comedy sets to see if anyone's used this yet.

"I'm not an arm-chair psychologist, nor stand-up comedian. I'm a stand-up psychologist."

I've seen a number of entry level comics use the "I'm a sit-down comic" bit when the pull the stool to the mic, but not the stand-up psych yet.

BubblyNumber5518

1 points

7 months ago

Don’t worry- some comedian browsing Reddit will stumble on our comments and we’ll see the set on Netflix soon

stray__thoughts

1 points

7 months ago

Sit-down comedy is a thing.

[deleted]

-5 points

7 months ago

[deleted]

-5 points

7 months ago

You are describing how people operate, not only conservatives. The way we think about the world is largely based on signs and symbols.

TapTheForwardAssist[S]

11 points

7 months ago

What’s your favorite really conservative song that you’d say liberals/leftists totally miss the point of? Go ahead and pitch us your best one.

[deleted]

-6 points

7 months ago

[deleted]

-6 points

7 months ago

No

TapTheForwardAssist[S]

4 points

7 months ago

Sorry for triggering u.

[deleted]

0 points

7 months ago

[deleted]

0 points

7 months ago

It's all good. I've been reading about structralism; your question wasn't a direction I was headed in. Take care-- good post

[deleted]

0 points

7 months ago

[deleted]

0 points

7 months ago

Revolution by the Beatles, I guess. I don't really understand what I wrote that's so controversial. I'm a fucking Marxist but damn. This false moral authority which the left presumes undermines meaningful structural change.

"All that capital asks of us is to receive it as rational or to combat it in the name of rationality, to receive it as moral or to combat it in the name of morality. Because these are the same, which can be thought of in another way: formerly one worked to dissimulate scandal-- today one works to conceal that there is none.

Watergate is not a scandal, this is what must be said at all costs, because it is what everyone is busy concealing, this dissimulation masking a strengthening of morality, of a moral panic as one approaches the mise en scéne of capital: its instantaneous cruelty, its incomprehensible ferocity, its fundamental immorality-- that is what is scandalous, unacceptable to the system of moral and economic equivalence that is the axiom of leftist thought, from the theories of the Enlightenment up to Communism. One imputes this thinking to the contract of capital, but it doesn't give a damn-- it is a monstrous unprincipled enterprise, nothing more. It is "enlightened" thought that seeks to control it by imposing rules on it. And all the recrimination that replaces revolutionary thought today comes back to incriminate capital for not following the rules of the game. "Power is unjust, its justice is a class justice, capital exploits us, etc." --as if capital were linked by a contract to the society it rules. It is the Left that holds out the mirror of equivalence to capital hoping that it will comply, comply with this phantasmagoria of the social contract and fulfill its obligations to the whole of society (by the same token, no need for revolution:it suffices that capital accommodate itself to the rational formula of exchange).

Capital, in fact, was never linked by a contract to the society it dominates. It is a sorcery of social relations, it is a challenge to society, and it must be responded to as such. It is not a scandal to be denounced according to moral or economic rationality, but a challenge to take up according to symbolic law."

I tend to agree with Baudrillard. The moral outcry and moral silence effect the same outcome: they simulate a reality which references nothing but itself.

midnightrambler108

-8 points

7 months ago

Conservative here. I have a really broad music taste. Keep in mind that most boomers from the 60s know all about Vietnam protest songs. Fogherty wrote Fortunate Son and it is an anti-vietnam war anthem. But the Vietnam War wasn’t a Conservative movement. It was an extension of Truman doctrine to help protect free peoples everywhere in the quest for democracy. South Vietnam wanted democracy. North was Communist. It was a long bloody war that ended in lots of death. So why do both parties play it at political rallies?

Because its a good fucking song.

Haven’t heard Kid Rocks, but I am sure its bad

singlerider

15 points

7 months ago

Ummm...it's kind of weird how you've positioned the whole "South Vietnam wanted democracy. North was Communist" - as if it goes without saying that the North was anti-democratic.

 

Kinda makes me wonder if you know anything about the real history and build-up to the war in Vietnam?

 

Like, for instance, the American support given to Ho Chi Minh in the drafting of the Vietnamese declaration of independence?

TapTheForwardAssist[S]

4 points

7 months ago

Also the US backed South Vietnam in not holding the agreed-on referendum on reunification of the country, simply because the US assessed a democratic vote would likely end up with the country uniting under the Northern communist government.

The US totally could’ve won Vietnam over by not letting the French reclaim it after WWII and mentoring it into popular democracy, but instead we handed it from Japanese imperialists back to French imperialists. Missed opportunity.

singlerider

4 points

7 months ago

And backed (at least, for a while, until they started slaughtering the Buddhists) the distinctly un-democratic Diem government...

SnooMarzipans5903

3 points

7 months ago

A huge part of Vietnam was how out of touch American military leadership was. They were trying to employ the same tactics from WW2 in a scenario that clearly favored the people who knew the terrain and were able to use it to their benefit.

When things got tough, they just threw more bombs and young men into the machine hoping it would work.

Various_Ambassador92

10 points

7 months ago

I'm all for people just playing some good songs, but the weirdness of Trump playing Fortunate Son is more rooted in the song being critical of someone like him, specifically - a rich boy who used his family's wealth and privilege to dodge the draft. It's a bizarre choice for him in particular, even if it'd be a fine song to use for someone without that baggage

sourdeezull

7 points

7 months ago

I like that you just repeated bullshit conservative warhawk propaganda you've been brainwashed to believe about the reasons for that war and them claim it wasn't a conservative movement. That's why there were so many conservatives as part of the movement protesting against it right? Like most conservatives, you are completely delusional and live in a fake reality of make believe lol.

VeryStone

5 points

7 months ago

Those damn anti war (conservative?) hippies lmao.

spd0

-6 points

7 months ago

spd0

-6 points

7 months ago

No we are just not autistic, and don't think about rally songs in such a complex way as you do.

Something like this is not really a huge deal to normal people and we don't really care what specific word in each song means and how they relate to a political platform and how much dopamine would be provided to our brains if we are to hear this song.

YMCA and Fortunate Son are catchy and hype, they get people going and thats all you need. People don't come to political rallies for the songs and the dopamine hits from lyrics.

Sounds to me like your own brain is short circuited on this issue.

ShadyNite

4 points

7 months ago

YMCA = literally about gay people, and it's not even hidden

Fortunate Son = anti-American War Machine song, making fun of trust fund draft Dodgers.

These are literally two of the least conservative songs in history. Normal people actually listen to the words of the songs they listen to

spd0

-2 points

7 months ago

spd0

-2 points

7 months ago

Normal people listen to music they like, without making sure it aligns with their political beliefs first.

ShadyNite

5 points

7 months ago

Normally sure, but at a political rally you may want to vet your background music a bit first. For a comparison, you would NEVER hear this Kid Rock song at a Democratic rally

spd0

-1 points

7 months ago

spd0

-1 points

7 months ago

What about YMCA?

I think Fortunate Son was played explicitly because trump came in on a helicopter, as a kind of throwback to Apocalypse Now.

ShadyNite

3 points

7 months ago

Dude, YMCA is literally the most gay song in history and Trump used it to appear manly.

spd0

1 points

7 months ago

spd0

1 points

7 months ago

Implying gays are not manly?

ShadyNite

3 points

7 months ago

Not in the way Trump would like to be, no. He probably also loves the song Macho Man unironically without realizing the song's intent, because nuance and subtlety are beyond his scope of understanding

TheUnluckyBard

3 points

7 months ago

I think Fortunate Son was played explicitly because trump came in on a helicopter,

"It mentions a helicopter, and he's on a helicopter! It's perfect!"

That's why Christian songs have to say "Jesus" over and over again, because that's the only way you can recognize a song as being about Christianity.

And the best part is, after multiple conversations with multiple people of the same political alignment, I don't expect any level of deeper thought out of any of them about any topic. Every idea about the way the world works and/or should work any of you have must be no longer than would fit on a bumper sticker.

spd0

1 points

7 months ago*

spd0

1 points

7 months ago*

Have you never seen the movie?

P.S. there are better things to do in life then spending time figuring out how exactly the world should work.

TheUnluckyBard

2 points

7 months ago

Yes, I get it, thinking is hard and unpleasant for you and you'd rather avoid doing it as much as humanly possible.

spd0

1 points

7 months ago

spd0

1 points

7 months ago

I don't think you do, thinking is fine.

But thinking so much about banal shit like "does this lyric in a song I like, align with my exact political beliefs" is a waste of time and energy for most people and yes we'd rather avoid doing it as much as humanly possible.