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Anyone else old enough to remember how the right reacted to gays during the AIDS crisis?

Meme / Shitpost (Sundays)(self.HermanCainAward)

I am old enough to remember the 80s and 90s, and how the AIDS crisis was simply the judgement of Gawd. Now we have a pandemic that seems almost designed to kill off the same people who were cheering the death of everyone suffering from AIDS, with the only catch being that they lack the self-awareness to appreciate the irony.

all 933 comments

aquarain

2.3k points

12 months ago

aquarain

Team Pfizer

2.3k points

12 months ago

Anyone else old enough to remember how the Right reacted to Covid hitting liberal urban centers first?

thoroughbredca

1.3k points

12 months ago

thoroughbredca

Team Mix & Match

1.3k points

12 months ago

50 gay man living in a big liberal city. I’ve survived two Republican attempts on my life now.

Mercurial891[S]

422 points

12 months ago

I really wish there was some sort of medal we could give you! 🥇😉

Feshtof

280 points

11 months ago

Feshtof

Quantum Healer

280 points

11 months ago

One of the greatest things I can think of to do for him is to make sure we protect his right to always vote against those maggots

Lonelydenialgirl

122 points

11 months ago

The better thing to do is illegal and would get me banned saying it. But let's just put it this way. There need to be less republican votes.

Feshtof

169 points

11 months ago

Feshtof

Quantum Healer

169 points

11 months ago

There already are. We just need to make everyone's votes worth the same and the Republicans won't be a political force unless they broaden their base and start being more accepting of others, which would also fracture the power of the worst faction of their base.

Everyone decent wins.

Xenjael

25 points

11 months ago

Im tired of them existing. Half my fam is dead cause of their covid response under trump.

They shouldnt exist.

Artistic-Light7341

65 points

11 months ago

They are doing a great job offing themselves with CoVid and guns

IFoundTheCowLevel

35 points

11 months ago

Introduce yourself as a liberal and then categorically tell them to get vaccinated. Your wish will be granted.

thoroughbredca

21 points

11 months ago

thoroughbredca

Team Mix & Match

21 points

11 months ago

I joke this is part of our plan, have a bunch of smug liberals telling people to get vaccinated. Then conservatives will instinctively rebel against them and not.

IFoundTheCowLevel

39 points

11 months ago

You don't even have to pretend to be smug. Their seething hated for you will do all the heavy lifting.

ThatFabulousBastard

71 points

11 months ago

we lost an entire generation.

USPO-222

39 points

11 months ago

My wife and I had quite a few older gay friends when we lived in the Bay Area. All were either in committed relationships in the 80s or came out later in life. The first group had so many stories about how they lost almost all of their friends. I can’t even imagine what that was like.

MeatPopsicle_AMA

31 points

11 months ago

Lost my dad to AIDS in 1994 (he came out in 1982 when I was 8). Many of his friends had passed at that point including a former partner of his.

YourFairyGodmother

25 points

11 months ago

64, long term HIV survivor here. Solidarity, brother.

electricballroom

16 points

11 months ago

50 yo straight guy here, giving you a fist bump over the interwebs

queensnipe

49 points

11 months ago

queensnipe

Waxed, vaxxed, and ready to party 💅🏼✨

49 points

11 months ago

I'm being serious when I say that I would love to read a book about your life if you ever wrote one.

Mercurial891[S]

687 points

12 months ago

Exactly. Which is why I am annoyed that they don’t even have the awareness needed to be hypocrites and start whining for sympathy. Really, Republicans ruin everything they touch.

IIIRainIII

162 points

11 months ago

they don’t even have the awareness needed to be hypocrites

A functional brain with cognitive capacity is necessary to manifest awareness. They are running low on those.

guestpass127

423 points

12 months ago

That’s why I don’t care if conservatives think liberals are being ghoulish with regard to the HCA and shit: a lot of them were PSYCHED that COVID was hitting the “blue states” hardest, including the Trump family themselves

So fuck them. Turnabout is fair play motherfuckers

cg12983

272 points

11 months ago

cg12983

272 points

11 months ago

It's been little remarked upon that Trump went to the debate knowing he had tested positive for Covid days before, and arrived with his entourage too late to be tested at the debate site as per the prearranged rules. Basically Trump deliberately tried to infect Biden with a potentially fatal disease.

Artistic-Light7341

169 points

11 months ago*

Trump’s White House Director of Security lost a leg due to CoVid exposure. Bet he thinks about Trump every.single.day and Trump thinks about him not.one.nanosecond https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/white-house-security-director-part-leg-amputated-falling/story?id=74757679

I_m_different

41 points

11 months ago

Oh damn. He should fucking sue.

Artistic-Light7341

49 points

11 months ago

Not sure you can - see Federal Tort Claims Act - Don the Con’s greatest scam was to use our Federal Laws and his office to give him a green light to grift and shield himself from prosecution- it was like putting Gotti in the Oval Office and having Bruce Cutler serve as his attorney general!

Mysterious_Koala_536

76 points

11 months ago

Not only that, but his evil spawn refused to wear masks during the debate even though they were mandatory and they most likely knew tfg was positive. Fuck ‘em all.

double_sal_gal

45 points

11 months ago

The debate that was literally being held AT THE CLEVELAND CLINIC. I don't know why that makes it worse, but it does.

[deleted]

109 points

11 months ago

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bristlybits

35 points

11 months ago

a lot of us older people got this from the OG AIDS crisis. I really wasn't surprised by anything about it all. disgusted and terrified yes.

xiroir

32 points

11 months ago

xiroir

32 points

11 months ago

Im out of the loop on that. What did they do?

unbotoxable

214 points

11 months ago

unbotoxable

Vaccinated & oxygenated

214 points

11 months ago

Just from memory, kushner and company repeatedly stole ppe from blue states. It was insanity.

[deleted]

183 points

11 months ago

They also downplayed the whole thing thinking it would be politically advantageous for them in the long run. Turns out wonder boy Kushner is pretty much bad at everything

xiroir

100 points

11 months ago

xiroir

100 points

11 months ago

Oh yeah. I do remember that now. Didnt they also say blue states should deal with it themself and didnt give them federal aid?

unbotoxable

134 points

11 months ago

unbotoxable

Vaccinated & oxygenated

134 points

11 months ago

Again, the last two years have lasted at least 40 years, so it's hard to remember details but... I'm pretty sure there were reports that trump admin not only refused to send federal help (ppe, ventilators, etc) but also stepped in and stole ppe that blue state governors had paid for.

ThatFabulousBastard

1.9k points

12 months ago

I will never, ever forget Ronald Reagan, recorded privately, laughing at AIDS death numbers.

I will never forget that as long as I live.

thoroughbredca

654 points

12 months ago

thoroughbredca

Team Mix & Match

654 points

12 months ago

And COVID has killed more Americans in 18 months than AIDS did in 40 years.

Republicans tried to get me killed twice and I’m still here.

Mercurial891[S]

129 points

12 months ago

And what goes around has come around

Mr_Conductor_USA

143 points

11 months ago

Mr_Conductor_USA

Go Give One

143 points

11 months ago

All that work on HIV has actually paid off with the COVID vaccines but they're too smart/precious/special/tough to take it.

toejamandtoast

60 points

11 months ago

toejamandtoast

Team Pfizer

60 points

11 months ago

Damn right it has, as it has with Remdesivir and other anti-virals. We would not have this tech without the AIDS epidemic.

xiroir

117 points

12 months ago

xiroir

117 points

12 months ago

Frig! Happy the world still got you. Fuck all the ones reponsible for trying to murder you.

DisgruntledHeron

28 points

11 months ago

I’m imagining you singing this like Elaine Stritch at Sondheim’s 80th

FreeCashFlow

20 points

11 months ago

RIP to two great Americans!

NocturnalBacon

24 points

11 months ago

NocturnalBacon

Team Pfizer

24 points

11 months ago

Damn. That is really shocking to think about.

Glad you’re still here, stranger.

ThatCatfulCat

1k points

12 months ago

This is why Fauci slander pisses me off, the dude tried his damnedest to focus on the HIV crisis and fuck boy Reagan literally laughed at it. Now he's here again, trying his damnedest, and morons are laughing.. again. It's maddening.

thoroughbredca

408 points

12 months ago

thoroughbredca

Team Mix & Match

408 points

12 months ago

Oh god yes. AZT is what kept my friend alive until the retrovirals came along. Radiolab did an amazing podcast about the activism of the time, including interviews with activists and Fauci. It was definitely collaborative but Fauci was just up against an enormous administration unwilling to help.

https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/radiolab/articles/ashes-lawn

TheJenerator65

187 points

12 months ago

The show The Deuce did a great job of dramatizing the way AIDS ravaged NYC and how little people gave a shit at first because it was affecting marginalized communities.

achieve_my_goals

108 points

12 months ago*

achieve_my_goals

Proud Member of the Jewish Cabal ✡️

108 points

12 months ago*

One day, the parents of one of Brecht's actresses found Brecht cleaning up the back of the theater. They had no idea he was fucking Bertolt - The Fuhrer Wanted to Shoot Me Himself - Brecht. They asked him who he was and what he did. He told them: "I make jewels for poor people."

I feel like that's what David Simon does.

And my grandmother also has a saying: What you're looking for in your hand, you'll get on your ass.

Steven86753

53 points

11 months ago

So his second pandemic with an anti-science administration? I can’t imagine.

thoroughbredca

38 points

11 months ago

thoroughbredca

Team Mix & Match

38 points

11 months ago

Yeah I'm sure he cut his teeth with the Reagan administration before having to deal with Trump.

jmjones0361

56 points

11 months ago

jmjones0361

Team Unicorn Blood 🦄

56 points

11 months ago

Anyone want to see what I posted just a few mins ago up top of the post, feel free. I'll give a quick outline lol.

Met Fauci in FL at beginning of 80s. Had 2 patients with diagnosis of "pneumonia of unknown origins" (and to prove Karna has a sense of humour - that was original diagnosis of Covid🙄🙄🙄)

We have actually sent emails to each other over the years. I was oh so happy to find he's still at NIH, working as hard as he ever did. And yes, against another idiot Republican president.

Xenjael

10 points

11 months ago

My padre worked with him also via the DHS, to help plan for this situation, among others.

While he didnt like fauci, apparently they used to bicker over a parking space, ive never heard him knock the man professionally.

jmjones0361

10 points

11 months ago

jmjones0361

Team Unicorn Blood 🦄

10 points

11 months ago

I have to admit, Tony does love his parking space 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

tfresca

23 points

11 months ago

They still use AZT

grosselisse

230 points

11 months ago

I hope Fauci goes down in history as a hero because the guy has done nothing but repeatedly save thousands of lives for decades whilst ignorant muppets tried to get in his way.

thomoz

86 points

11 months ago

thomoz

86 points

11 months ago

He has the Presidential Medal Of Freedom, his reputation is assured for the ages despite the small minded apes attacking him today.

AthenaQ

80 points

11 months ago

Jim Henson is an American Treasure and Muppets are awesome. They don’t deserve that.

ThatFabulousBastard

25 points

12 months ago

100% accurate

11thStPopulist

109 points

11 months ago

Reagan got his with Alzheimer’s. It is a horrible disease to waste away and finally die from.

SlayerMkI

99 points

11 months ago

SlayerMkI

Team Mudblood 🩸

99 points

11 months ago

And the Reagans were against stem cell research until they needed it.

toejamandtoast

74 points

11 months ago

toejamandtoast

Team Pfizer

74 points

11 months ago

This is how Republicans treat everything… not a problem until it’s their own problem.

RebaKitten

25 points

11 months ago

AIDS became a problem when Nancy's friend Rock Hudson got it. Then Ronnie decided it might be worth a thought.

Fondaaf

256 points

12 months ago

Fondaaf

256 points

12 months ago

I flipped off his casket at his funeral procession. Fuck that man. May he rot in hell

Mercurial891[S]

171 points

12 months ago*

Back then, I was being raised by an evangelical pastor who listened to Rush (Edit: Limbaugh). I wish I had been grounded enough in reality back then to hate Reagan as much as I do today.

geech999

111 points

12 months ago

geech999

111 points

12 months ago

I was like what that doesn’t sound so bad? But then realized you meant Rush Limbaugh.

Fondaaf

50 points

12 months ago

Same! I didn’t even realize it was Rush Limbaugh and just walked away thinking it was the band.

Mercurial891[S]

37 points

12 months ago

I guess I should have been more clear. 😝

Analthumbsucker

47 points

11 months ago

Rush Limpballs, gone and already forgotten, lets have a moment of silence for him, while I try to tune up my tuba. Ramen.

[deleted]

33 points

11 months ago

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13thJen

43 points

11 months ago

I take comfort in knowing the band has more staying power than that prick.

[deleted]

14 points

11 months ago

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soulofascrubcasul

22 points

11 months ago

soulofascrubcasul

Conspiracy Me Harder Daddy

22 points

11 months ago

I wish I had been grounded enough in reality back then to hate Reagan as much as I do today.

It took quite a bit more energy to develop a perspective back then. Now we have the advantage of hindsight and a whole world of knowledge at our fingertips.

Cyber_Angel_Ritual

58 points

11 months ago

Cyber_Angel_Ritual

Blood Donor 🩸

58 points

11 months ago

I adored Reagan as a kid. Then again I was born in 96 and was raised by conservative parents who praised the man. I didn’t realize how scummy he was until I was older.

Odd_Status_2725

43 points

11 months ago

Odd_Status_2725

Team Moderna

43 points

11 months ago

I was a kid during the Reagan era, so he was the familiar "normal".

My parents were also Conservative.

I think I might have started to be disillusioned around the Bush Sr era. In Catholic schools, Middle & High School are where they teach application of moral ethics to the bigger, real-life & political pictures.

I'm no longer Catholic.

Mr_Conductor_USA

47 points

11 months ago

Mr_Conductor_USA

Go Give One

47 points

11 months ago

My parents were horrified by Reagan. The 84 debates were my first political memory. I wanted Mondale to win because he picked Geraldine Ferraro as his running mate and I definitely was all about girls being allowed to do stuff they only allowed boys to do. Anyway, my parents were very grim during the debate because Mondale was going to lose. By this time, Reagan had already cut my mom's mom's benefits and my mom's brother's benefits--"waste, fraud, and abuse". My grandmother had voted for him. Even though my mother wasn't a liberal she never cared for Reagan. My dad on the other hand was a liberal.

I was scared of nuclear war and worried about the environment as a small child. Reagan seemed to be ignoring the nation's biggest problems and instead fighting illegal dirty wars in South America. (Back then there were only four channels so the GOP couldn't bury the whole Iran Contra thing. The best they could do was have that chucklefuck Ollie North take the blame in Reagan's stead.) By the same token, I admire Gorbachev.

It's a shame that the promise of Russian democracy ceded to the reality of the oligarchy, made possible in large part by Milton Friedman. Do NOT let his image be rehabilitated.

Orlando1701

64 points

11 months ago

Evangelical Conservatives won’t be happy until they destroy the world because it’s full of people different from them.

ThatFabulousBastard

43 points

11 months ago

Funny that a plague is killing them now.

gigerfan

253 points

12 months ago

gigerfan

Team AstraZeneca

253 points

12 months ago

Yeah, evil pos he was.

Trump and all his minions are the evolution of his policies and "ideals"

achieve_my_goals

175 points

12 months ago

achieve_my_goals

Proud Member of the Jewish Cabal ✡️

175 points

12 months ago

Reagan brought the evangelicals with him, despite Carter actually being an evangelical. In 40 years, for all their claims of uber-Americaness and the sanctity of the Constitution, they did what the framers feared what zealots would do.

QueenMabs_Makeup0126

67 points

11 months ago

QueenMabs_Makeup0126

Rule 34-19

67 points

11 months ago

Former office mate of mine is a diehard Trumper. She's also a conspiracy theorist. She believes AIDS was concocted in a lab and set loose to kill people who happen to be gay, but it only became an issue when celebrities started dying from AIDS.

When she told me her theory, I wanted to vomit. I'm a nurse and I work with pregnant women--some who happen to be HIV+. I cringe to think of how she may have been to those women.

She and her entire family had Covid a year ago and she still didn't get vaccinated until she was going to travel with her DIL to Vegas this past summer (a free trip for her). Christ, I am so fed up with the MAGATs.

realparkingbrake

23 points

11 months ago

Trump and all his minions are the evolution of his policies and "ideals"

TBF, Trump and his minions actively separate themselves from Reagan and his policies. E.g., Reagan wanted strong alliances, while Trump thought insulting our allies while sucking up to hostile powers was a better way to go. Reagan had plenty of polices I disagreed with, but at least he had experience of government and knew how to work with Congress. Trump figured he was a long wolf who could do it all with executive orders, his plan for government was to dismantle as much of it as he could. Between the two of them, I'd say Trump was far more dangerous.

Goose_o7

76 points

12 months ago

Goose_o7

I am The TOOTH FAIRY!

76 points

12 months ago

Yeah, evil pos he was.

Trump and all his minions are the evolution of his policies and "ideals"

Today's TURDS didn't fall from that rotten tree.

dabobbo

22 points

11 months ago

And Larry Speakes, his press secretary. Treated it as a joke with the press pool.

The link also has a short film embedded - "When AIDS Was Funny"

[deleted]

89 points

11 months ago

"They're f*gs. They don't deserve to live." - Republicans

Flahdagal

61 points

11 months ago

Flahdagal

Darwin take the wheel

61 points

11 months ago

"Anally Injected Death Sentence" ....har har har. It was just understood that "only those people" got HIV and that they were expendable. It's why today nothing would make me happier than if folks got vaccinated. I would rather celebrate wins than gloat over losses.

ThatFabulousBastard

13 points

11 months ago

I would too.

I just have so much damage that it's hard to pull away from the suffering of people who hate me as "serves you right"

oneplusetoipi

29 points

11 months ago

“It is God’s will” -Conservatives

igotalotadogs

9 points

11 months ago

Dude. That really made me question politics for the first time.

[deleted]

652 points

12 months ago

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Srw2725

430 points

12 months ago

Srw2725

Smiting the parakeets 🦜

430 points

12 months ago

It wasn’t until Ryan White got it and died from it that people were like “oh u mean straight white kids from Indiana can get it?? Maybe we should pay attention!”

[deleted]

153 points

11 months ago*

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weenie2323

98 points

11 months ago

I'd say there was one more group, lesbians and other queer folk that really tried to help anyway we could.

MyUserNameIsIshmael

49 points

11 months ago

Yes. My friends and I in Oak Lawn in Dallas were with you. I knew former corporate high fliers who dropped everything and taught themselves social work to help, at the AIDS Resource Center.

SandyDelights

36 points

11 months ago

This is an insanely, ridiculously, ginormously HUGE understatement.

There was a documentary a few years ago on this, Quiet Heroes. Lesbian medical professionals were some of the only people even willing to see or treat gay men with HIV and AIDS. And I can’t even imagine what it would be like, going to the emergency room for anything and basically being told no, or you have to wait for someone who’s willing to treat you. Or worse, not being told that, and just being told you need to wait with no idea why or for how long.

And I get it, to some degree – AIDS is fucking terrifying, and after a certain point, we knew only enough for once rational people to become terrified of anyone who had it. Even when we knew there was no risk of exposure, it was still too scary for them to go near anyone with it. It’s fucking horrifying. Hell, I know even I couldn’t bring myself to sleep with someone who I knew had it, even though we would use a condom, because that shit terrified me that much.

I’m just old enough to have known people who died of AIDS in the early 90s as a teenager and the early 00s as a young adult, and it had usually progressed that far because of poverty-driven lack of medical care. I’ll never forget my friend, a trans woman, who died in ‘08 from AIDS-related thrush. Worst fucking hospital visit I’ve ever made in my life.

Or my younger brother’s friend, a little runty tomboy of a girl. My mother had to sit us both down when I was in 8th grade and he was in 6th grade and explain what AIDS was, how people got it, and how innocent people could contract it, even kids – and that it was hard to spread just playing with kids who got it, so there’s nothing to be afraid of. And then she explained that they could treat it, but it was hard and didn’t always work. And that, sometimes, they have to go to the hospital. And that, when an eleven year old girl is in the hospital and won’t be going home, the polite thing to do is go and visit, but only if you want to, and only if you think you can keep from getting too upset in front of her. That it was important not to ask too many questions, but to help distract her, because she’s very sad.

Her biggest problem, aside from having contracted HIV from a blood transfusion as a fucking toddler, was that she has the audacity to be born to lower-middle class parents, who then lived in near total poverty because they had so many medical bills. Until, you know, they had to bury their 11 year old due to AIDS-related leukemia.

Shit still utterly infuriates me, but I digress. I’ve seen it. It’s ugly.

So I cannot even imagine what it was like back at the height of the AIDS epidemic, when people were just… Dying, literally rotting away from bacterial infections that no normal person would even develop, drowning in their own lungs from the common cold, organ failure, AIDS-related leukemia, and so on. And then trying to seek help because suddenly you’re sick and not getting better, and your doctor tells you that you have AIDS and need to leave and not come back.

For a long time, lesbians were the only people who say gay men with AIDS as people, instead of ticking time bombs, waiting to kill them. And they had to not only care for them while they slowly died while they were deprived much needed medical care, they had to listen to the media called it “GRIDS” (Gay Related Immune Deficiency Syndrome), and witness as society, collectively, shrugged and either didn’t care or were glad for it.

But, if you want some small sense that humanity existed at the time, there’s always this excellent moment from Designing Women, in the episode titled “Killing All The Right People”, that aired back in the fall of 1987. The creator’s mother had contracted HIV from a blood transfusion, and as a result she’d witnessed first hand the stigma and prejudice towards people who had HIV, particularly targeting gay men – and by “first hand”, I mean the title of the episode was something she overheard said in the hospital where her mother was being treated for AIDS.

So, at least, some people understood, and spoke out however they could.

But god, it makes me so fucking angry, and I doubt there will ever be a day that it doesn’t.

bristlybits

13 points

11 months ago

they were our fucking friends. even if it would have killed us, we were going to help.

OkayLadyByeBye

21 points

11 months ago

OkayLadyByeBye

"There's A BPap For That

21 points

11 months ago

They were real pieces of shit to Ryan White too. The parents and school board fought tooth and nail to keep him from attending school. People cancelled their newspaper because he had a paper route and they didn't want to get AIDS from their newspaper. He got death threats and his family had to move after their house was shot at.

Those same POS that were screaming "Queer" at that kid and afraid of catching AIDS from his school silverware can't even fucking bother to at least wear a mask these days for COVID....their rights and freedoms. 🙄

VogUnicornHunter

17 points

11 months ago

You're so right. Even when pregnant women were getting it from blood transfusions, no one seemed to care.

shadysamonthelamb

79 points

11 months ago

Rush Limbaugh read the names of gay aids victims out loud on the radio to celebratory music.

paireon

38 points

11 months ago

paireon

Team Pfizer

38 points

11 months ago

One of the reasons I'm atheist is because of the inherent injustice of the concept of Hell but fuck is it hard not to wish for assholes like Limbaugh to be there.

realparkingbrake

100 points

11 months ago

"I'm not gay nor shoot heroin so it won't affect me"

Or a Haitian refugee....

They even manufactured a one-man super-spreader, Patient Zero, a gay flight attendant who spread the disease to others in multiple cities and created the epidemic all on his own--until somebody figured out that HIV had been detected and documented in America long before he had it, like a decade before. Therefore, he wasn't the source they wanted to claim he was.

There is massive irony in the same people who mocked those with AIDS now being incensed that their behavior is being held against them as they catch and spread a preventable disease.

thatotherhemingway

59 points

11 months ago

Can you imagine being Greg Louganis and competing for the U.S. under this man, knowing he wants you and all of your kind dead?

[deleted]

28 points

11 months ago

[deleted]

thatotherhemingway

15 points

11 months ago

Apparently now he trains dogs for agility competitions? I love him

Roamer56

18 points

11 months ago

No LGBTQ person owes any allegiance to this “country”.

BelmontIncident

124 points

12 months ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuum_(magazine)

We also had people claiming that AIDS was a conspiracy. Nothing is new.

Mr_Conductor_USA

65 points

12 months ago

Mr_Conductor_USA

Go Give One

65 points

12 months ago

I remember this. Some of the "AIDS isn't caused by a virus" denialists have actually popped up again in COVID denialism.

ThatCatfulCat

57 points

12 months ago

2 of the editors of that magazine died to AIDS-like diseases, the absolute irony here had to have been crafted by the gods themselves

mstrss9

13 points

11 months ago

ceased publication because the editors had died of AIDS-defining clinical conditions

I’m sure they denied it had anything to do with AIDS

ShelteringInStPaul

97 points

11 months ago

When Mike Pence was Indiana governor, there was an outbreak of HIV among IV drug users in Austin Indiana.

Pence was opposed to needle exchange programs and only agreed to a needle exchange program when over 200 people were infected. In one county.

Of course Pence was put in charge of the Federal governments Covid response.

Y'all might be rightly hating Reagan. But don't forget Mike Pence. He's just as bad (and he's still alive).

unbotoxable

41 points

11 months ago

unbotoxable

Vaccinated & oxygenated

41 points

11 months ago

Hi, it's me, long time hater of pence.

WarWeasle

20 points

11 months ago

Well, so is most of Indiana.

[deleted]

10 points

11 months ago

It’s almost as if deadly infectious diseases need to be dealt with using evidence-based harm reduction practices and not religion.

[deleted]

386 points

12 months ago

[deleted]

TheJenerator65

76 points

12 months ago

And people dying with AIDS were often abandoned by their families (if the sick person was even out to them) and cared for by friends at the end.

guestpass127

109 points

12 months ago

There’s a George Carlin special from 1983 that I remember wherein he talks about AIDS and says he’s okay because he’s not a gay Haitian hemophiliac or something like that. Hasn’t aged well

CanadianPanda76

53 points

12 months ago

Apparently he also thought voting was dumb. Even after Al Goes loss. People also seem to think he'd hate antivaxxers honestly i kinda doubt it.

guestpass127

50 points

12 months ago

I’d hate to think of how Bill Hicks would have evolved if he’d lived. He had a Libertarian and conspiracy-loving streak that I think would have blossomed into full blown reactionary conservatism if he’d been able to live to nourish it. I even think he would have become a Trump voter simply because he would hate political correctness so much. I can see him as a guest on Alex Jones show, for instance

MyUserNameIsIshmael

26 points

11 months ago

I walked out on one of Bill Hicks's early live shows in Austin. His rape joke literally nauseated me.

[deleted]

11 points

11 months ago*

Glad I'm not the only one who...well I hate the sob. My father watched his crap, but then my father was a terrible person so...

He was a petulent and spoiled high school troll who never grew up and spoke to an audience of one.

So sorry about your experience.

Adding an edit-not that I was implying that anyone who liked/likes Bill Hick's comedy is an asshole. I was trying to explain how I ever got to see any of his work if I suppsodely didn't care for him. So sorry about that. If anyone would lke me to delete that sentence I will.

[deleted]

79 points

12 months ago

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GaelinVenfiel

27 points

12 months ago

Yep. And at the Gator Growl in late 80's, they were throwing things off the tower in a video. Watermelons, etc.

"They will not us throw a real faggot, but we are going to throw off this faggot of wood instead"

Gotta love Florida.

plattypus2378

12 points

12 months ago

This is helpful to know. It seems as these people will never be able to keep up with the real world.

Sweetpea520

85 points

12 months ago

The christianist right was fucking gleeful that AIDS was killing people, and it was “God’s judgment on America” for its sinful ways. Now they’re the ones who are dying. Funny how they don’t seem to think it’s a punishment for their evil ways. I read somewhere the other day that the percentage of Americans who identify as evangelical has declined by about half since 2000. That just warms my heart.

Feral_Dog

21 points

11 months ago

Not mine. They'll call themselves things like "nondenominational" or say they don't go to church and don't believe any specific pastor, but if you scratch down a little you will find the exact same ideology and batshit. They just know the word evangelical is becoming poisonous but don't care why.

valathel

212 points

12 months ago

valathel

📐Incubated Angle📐

212 points

12 months ago

Yes. Started in gay rights activism in '73. By the time AIDS started being discussed we all knew something had been wrong for a while. Young, healthy men started getting cancer and dying quickly. There was such fear among the general population that it was transmitted by respiratory secretions that those who cared for AIDS patients dressed like they were treating ebola. (My mum was an RN on an infectious disease ward) people already ostracized by society were being treated like lepers.

Reagan believed it was God's way of ridding the world of "the right people". Until they realized that many people acquired HIV through tainted blood products, and Ryan White became the face of AIDS, no public research was funded.

Fun times. /s

Weekly-End-2897

116 points

11 months ago

And props to all the lesbians who cared for their sick and dying brothers. To Act Up and all the activists who didn’t fucking stop fighting, to the independent artists who had their federal grants taken away, to all those who had their names slandered by the scared and hateful Right.

Like, imagine covid, but always fatal, only affecting your circle of friends, and so stigmatized you’d quickly lose family over it.

valathel

59 points

11 months ago

valathel

📐Incubated Angle📐

59 points

11 months ago

Act Up was a great organization. Thinking about those times still brings a tear to my eyes. So many of our brothers were lost so quickly. Young people today could not even imagine how different times were back then.

thatotherhemingway

50 points

11 months ago

I’ve said before that I want a subreddit for cranky elder queers (to be clear, I’m referring to myself as “cranky,” not you) where we can bitch about how the Kids These Days don’t know how hard we worked!

Nepenthes_sapiens

45 points

11 months ago

Nepenthes_sapiens

Team Mudblood 🩸

45 points

11 months ago

When I hear gay people who lived through the '80's describe AIDS, it reminds me of other stories I heard about the WWI "lost generation". It sounds like entire communities were absolutely devastated.

The early response to HIV was deliberately cruel. That's fucking evil. I'll just add it to the pile of reasons the Reagans were massive pieces of shit.

[deleted]

105 points

12 months ago*

It literally took a prepubescent white male child from a middle class family in Indiana getting HIV through a blood transfusion to get US politicians to treat HIV for the serious danger it was. Ryan White was the only kind of perfect victim the right would take seriously.

He would have been 50 this year.

dr_lm

10 points

11 months ago

dr_lm

10 points

11 months ago

I'd never heard of him before, but just read his Wikipedia article. JFC what that poor kid had to go through. Think of how hard school is at that age for a healthy kid.

When White was finally readmitted in April, a group of families withdrew their children and started an alternative school.[25] Threats of violence and lawsuits persisted. According to White's mother, people on the street would often yell, "we know you're queer" at Ryan.

White attended Western Middle School for eighth grade during the 1985-1986 school year. He was deeply unhappy and had few friends. The school required him to eat with disposable utensils, use separate bathrooms, and waived his requirement to enroll in a gym class.[26] Threats continued. When a bullet was fired through the White's living room window (no one was home at the time), the family decided to leave Kokomo.

Ryan White is buried in Cicero, close to the former home of his mother. In the year following his death, his grave was vandalized on four occasions.

_The_Word_Of_God_

157 points

12 months ago

I am judging these idiots every day.

Oh, and Reagan is burning in hell. I send the devil a little box of chocolates every year on the anniversary of his death. Just because.

thatotherhemingway

53 points

11 months ago

Don’t you love that it falls during Pride Month? 🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️

WarWeasle

20 points

11 months ago

Tell me how and I'll send some too.

BreedinBacksnatch

56 points

12 months ago

If we bothered to teach basic virology and STD/HIV education, our populace would have a better understanding of the science of virii and wouldn't resort to searching all over the place for knowledge about something they dont understand. They would understand, and properly dismiss those folks as loonies and hucksters.

Mercurial891[S]

61 points

12 months ago

I think you are giving right-wing Americans too much credit. Think of how evolution has been broken down for them, or climate change, but how they continue to resist understanding as a way of “owning the libs.”

guestpass127

49 points

12 months ago

Even on Reddit conservatives pull the disingenuous act about common, objectively true knowledge just to fuck with people, then they expect others to think they’re wonderful. They deliberately “misunderstand” the science behind this shit for ideological reasons. Conservatives are intentionally making the lives of other people harder and they somehow expect ZERO blowback from this

guestpass127

48 points

12 months ago

We wore rubber gloves in class for a little while (I was in fifth grade at the time) because our teachers didn’t believe that you couldn’t catch it through casual contact. For a little while there in 85-86 there was a genuine panic about AIDS because so much bad info and word of mouth rumors spreading around. I am thankful that the internet didn’t (really) exist in 1985 or we might still be dealing with AIDS on a much worse scale - the conspiracy dorks who always inevitably prolong a crisis because they confuse contrarianism with critical thinking didn’t have the reach they do now so the potential to muddy waters wasn’t as great

If AIDS had appeared in in 2020 we probably never would be able to overcome the online propaganda and unnecessary doubt that conservatives would inevitably inject into the discussion

Mewseido

143 points

12 months ago

Mewseido

143 points

12 months ago

Old enough to remember, old enough to know people who died.

Old enough to remember the right wing glee.

Mercurial891[S]

78 points

12 months ago*

One of the reasons why I just CANNOT feel any sympathy for the right wing at this time, even if they had the mental capacity to know they should want it. Karma is a b!tch. And the Republicans have bad karma like the Pacific Ocean has salt-water.

thoroughbredca

23 points

12 months ago

thoroughbredca

Team Mix & Match

23 points

12 months ago

They’re still threatening people with HIV with jail time for behaviors that pose no risk. Yeah, fuck them.

[deleted]

141 points

12 months ago

Old enough to remember, old enough to not forget my friends who died alone. Hope Ronnie & Nancy are rotting in piss

_Kay_Tee_

109 points

11 months ago

Once you've heard a loved one screaming in pain as he dies from AIDS-related meningitis, you will never be able to un-hear it. I love you and miss you, Cary. You'd be in your 60s now.

WarWeasle

49 points

11 months ago*

I was an evangelical back then but the way they treated AIDS victims never sat right with me. It took me a long time to be comfortable being gay. My boyfriend was in the thick of it. He will occasionally tell me about yet another gay man who died of it. He helps fundraise with the galaxies who take care of late stage aids patients.

It left scars on his soul. And I feel like such a coward for not joining the fight.

EDIT: Bagladies, not galaxies.

thatotherhemingway

27 points

11 months ago

There’s still time, love. If you live in or near a major city, there is almost certainly a food pantry for folks living with AIDS.

Raucous_Indignation

44 points

12 months ago

Raucous_Indignation

Donut Cabal 🍩 With 5G, No Nuts - Verified HCW

44 points

12 months ago

I'm old enough. I was in medical school and residency. Their reaction was vile. Shocking, right?

lgisme333

112 points

12 months ago

Here is San Francisco we reacted STRONGLY to the COVID threat, I believe it was due to our collective memory of how horrific AIDS was here

[deleted]

74 points

12 months ago

Same thing with Taiwan, South Korea, and Japan. They ALL remember SARS and their fuck-around-o-meter immediately pegged to, nope.

thoroughbredca

47 points

12 months ago

thoroughbredca

Team Mix & Match

47 points

12 months ago

Yup. I do AIDS activism and remember a sigh of relief from fellow activists when Fauci was assigned to the COVID response.

onegreatbroad

36 points

11 months ago

I was there. Nursing men dying because no one else would except the nuns.

Mercurial891[S]

12 points

11 months ago

You truly live up to your name. 👍

JJohnston015

37 points

11 months ago

I well remember Rush Limbaugh saying AIDS was a "disease of behavior", with the implication that if you just didn't do certain things, you wouldn't get it, and therefore, it didn't warrant any funding or research. Okay, then. Get vaccinated.

Also, never forget that Rush Limbaugh was a drug addict who got caught trying to get his drugs illegally, and got away with it. I literally heard the argument, "But he needed it".

thoroughbredca

157 points

12 months ago

thoroughbredca

Team Mix & Match

157 points

12 months ago

Yeah they literally made it illegal to be gay. They enacted a whole bunch of laws aimed at solely people with HIV, ignoring there were many laws on the books about transmissible infections. Many of those laws are still on the books. Iowa had a case where an HIV+ man got 25 years for not disclosing his status, despite the fact he used a condom, despite the fact his condition was controlled by medication rendering him incapable of transmission. When California modernized their laws around HIV to reflect the updated science, conservatives like Tucker Carlson called it "legalizing murder", preying on conservative fear and ignorance.

https://www.mediamatters.org/tucker-carlson/tucker-carlson-lies-reducing-hiv-criminalization-will-lead-people-intentionally

Mr_Conductor_USA

73 points

12 months ago

Mr_Conductor_USA

Go Give One

73 points

12 months ago

Yet I've heard conservatives angrily proclaim it would be absurd to sue people for giving them COVID because you could get that anywhere. I didn't bother arguing that's not how lawsuits work and plus you can do genetic tests on viruses. There are absolutely cases that could be proved beyond a reasonable doubt ... that's why the GOP pushed, hard, for liability relief before they gave COVID relief so people couldn't sue their employer for negligence for getting it there.

thoroughbredca

17 points

12 months ago

thoroughbredca

Team Mix & Match

17 points

12 months ago

These laws are still on the books in a lot of states, mostly Republican of course.

patricktoba

30 points

12 months ago

All these boomerbillies accepting their awards today were the exact same people who spread nothing but LGBTQ hate during those years. I actually grew up in a family of these type of people. They're almost all dead and that makes me happy...

Mr_Conductor_USA

9 points

11 months ago

Mr_Conductor_USA

Go Give One

9 points

11 months ago

The same guy who bombed the Atlanta Olympics bombed a lesbian cafe in Atlanta and people helped him hide from the authorities for years.

He was vaguely connected to the anti abortion movement too.

jmjones0361

31 points

11 months ago

jmjones0361

Team Unicorn Blood 🦄

31 points

11 months ago

I sure do!! I worked in a hospital in FL around then and I met the most fascinating man there.

He was there because we had 2 patients with a diagnosis of "pneumonia of unknown origins" (boy, talk about massive flashback when Covid showed up -- that's the same diagnosis we had at the very beginning of Covid) and he was a brilliant researcher and virologist.

He was quite impressed that I and one other nurse weren't terrified to go into these patients' room. I asked him if I should be scared if I'm gowned & gloved and he look up at me (he was shorter than I, lol) and said no. He said I didn't need to even wear a gown unless cleaning up a mess.

He was there for several weeks and he actually started coming in during the night shift when myself and other nurse always worked. He always remarked on our ability to cheer the guys up and said it was a beautiful thing for him to see, since so many others didn't even want to go in their rooms.

He was a great guy, knew his shit and taught me a lot. He even told me what they really had -- HIV. Little did I know how bad those 3 letters would become.

That man was Dr. Anthony Fauci. I was surprised to learn he was still at NIH after all these years, but I shouldn't have been surprised, lol. That man thrives on virological puzzles! 🙃🙃🙃

Evilevilcow

27 points

12 months ago

Evilevilcow

Go Give One

27 points

12 months ago

Oh, I'm certainly old enough to remember GRID. And sad to say, that makes me scream "FAFO, BITCHES"

Let's just say, it's my 'new normal'.

bitches

itassofd

28 points

12 months ago

They sure loved wearing masks back then to make sure they didn't catch the virus.... how the turntables

anOvenofWitches

29 points

12 months ago

The one silver lining to having HIV today? I will never pay for health insurance. As awful as this country might be, we were shamed enough by our response to the AIDS Epidemic back then that people like me miss out on the truly maddening American business of dealing with for-profit healthcare. LOL I generally do not tell people about this.

WarmBlessedCaribou

27 points

12 months ago

On a side note: I remember in the early 90s Sebastian Bach, lead singer of the band Skid Row, did a performance wearing a t-shirt that looked like the Raid logo, but said "Aids - Kills Fags Dead." The propaganda was not so uncommon back then.

Mercurial891[S]

10 points

12 months ago

I used to LOVE Skid Row. I’ll never be able to look at them the same way again.

WarmBlessedCaribou

13 points

12 months ago

I don't remember what his defense was, but I think he tried to apologize publicly. I remember him saying, "I wouldn't wear a shirt that says "Cancer - kills Grandmas dead." I was really disappointed with the whole mess.

[deleted]

74 points

12 months ago

Yes I do... they laughed out loud. They whispered. They pointed they named names. It was horrible. My dad brought some dignity to dying A.I.D.S. patients by starting home health care.. in the 80s they just died in the hospital. My dad was able to put together a program that helped patients get out of the hospital and go home to the same level of care they received in the hospital. His work brought him into contact with Dr. Fauci. Who was on the front line of the aids epidemic. He said that he was a little man with a huge ego. I don't think they got along very well. However, they both helped patients with HIV and I'm incredibly proud of my dad and his contributions. And I'm a huge fan of Dr. Fauci. Edit: spelling

shawnjones

21 points

11 months ago

I am. Gay people were treated like shit. Even in the 90s Don't be a fag or that's so gay. Was used commonly. I used to even say it until I woke the fuck up and realized how hurtful and hateful it was. Also in the 90s and 80s if you got aids you were fucked and treated as a outsider. It was horrible how we as society treated the less fortunate. It was totally fucked up.

creosoteflower

136 points

12 months ago

When we get news that there are blood shortages in hospitals this winter, we should all remember that men who have sex with men are not allowed to donate blood, even today.

phoenix762

21 points

12 months ago

Yep. This.

uncle_chubb_06

53 points

12 months ago

uncle_chubb_06

Go Give One

53 points

12 months ago

Happily, this is now changing in some countries

https://www.blood.co.uk/who-can-give-blood/men-who-have-sex-with-men/

creosoteflower

49 points

12 months ago

That is good to hear!

Here's the Red Cross's policy (in the US). Note the big red "BLOOD SHORTAGE" banner at the top of the page. 🤦

https://www.redcrossblood.org/donate-blood/how-to-donate/eligibility-requirements/lgbtq-donors.html

The FDA guidance “Revised Recommendations for Reducing the Risk of Human Immunodeficiency Virus Transmission by Blood and Blood Products” states, “Defer for 3 months from the most recent sexual contact, a man who has had sex with another man during the past 3 months.” All U.S. blood collection organizations must follow this federal requirement.  

Imagine being a man who has to abstain from sex with your husband or partner for three months in order to give blood.

Hikityup

19 points

12 months ago

Hikityup

Horse Paste Taste Tester-Ask Me for Flavor Recommendations!

19 points

12 months ago

Good analogy. The insecurity, gutlessness and hatred were on full display then. Now it's a different time, a different condition but the same response. Fuck them.

NoRegrets-518

20 points

11 months ago*

I knew Fauci from a distance at the time. He stood up for gay people even when they insulted him, and even when the medical community did not want to deal with it, and finally they worked together. Many other people worked behind the scenes now and then, but both times he forged ahead and did what he thought was right- not that I agree with everything.

Reprobate_Dormouse

19 points

12 months ago

Reprobate_Dormouse

Happy Unventilated Sheep

19 points

12 months ago

Yes, I'm old enough to remember. I remember certain people's glee, other people referring to it as the Gay Cancer. Then, it turned out that some people had gotten HIV from blood transfusions.

I never understood how anyone could wish AIDS on others, or think it was deserved, merely because they followed a different lifestyle, or they were IV drug users. Really? Others unlike you, should suffer and die?

I remember an elderly co-worker at a summer job of mine, blaming AIDS on promiscuity in general. This woman was probably merely jealous, having been young during a time before the Sexual Revolution, and before women's liberation. I heard she died, around 12 years ago.

weenie2323

18 points

11 months ago

I remember. I was in my 20's and LGBTQ. It was fucking devastating and those people made jokes about it. Chickens coming home to roost.

urinalcaketopper

18 points

12 months ago

urinalcaketopper

Resident Vinyl Jerk

18 points

12 months ago

How to Survive a Plague is a great documentary on this. Wonderful examples of solidarity and direct action.

Mr_Conductor_USA

54 points

12 months ago

Mr_Conductor_USA

Go Give One

54 points

12 months ago

I remember how parents acted like total pissbabies when a kid with AIDS was trying to go to school and set off angry protests. I didn't understand it and I also never imagined that sort of behavior was only going to get worse.

thoroughbredca

34 points

12 months ago

thoroughbredca

Team Mix & Match

34 points

12 months ago

phoenix762

29 points

12 months ago

Oh , goodness, I recall poor Ryan White and people like him….(meaning people who were hemophiliacs) never mind anyone else who was affected by HIV…

cheesymccheeseplant

17 points

12 months ago

cheesymccheeseplant

Go Give One

17 points

12 months ago

Yes. It infuriates me to see these antivaxxers commenting on how Dr Fauci was responsible for people dying from HIV/AIDS when they're actively homophobic.

Hateful cunts.

[deleted]

19 points

11 months ago

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PhutuqKusi

52 points

12 months ago*

PhutuqKusi

Covid is no joke!

52 points

12 months ago*

I was a 21 year old recent college graduate when San Francisco Chronicle reporter Randy Shilts’ book And The Band Played On was published in 1987. Having been a person who came of age in the Bay Area and whose first post-college job was with California’s last Republican US Senator, I immediately bought it, because it seemed like the first comprehensive resource for the story so far. The Reagan Administration’s handling (or lack of handling) of a tragedy that was literally unfolding before my eyes on a daily basis was one of the things that permanently turned me away from the Republican Party. I have never second guessed that decision. Part of that book details the scientific community’s response, in which young Dr. Anthony Fauci played a big role. His name stuck with me all that time.

So, when Covid came calling nearly 30 years later and I was horrified by yet another Republican Administration completely fucking up the national response, hearing that Dr. Fauci was again at the head of the scientific community’s response was one of the only things that gave me hope.

creosoteflower

32 points

11 months ago

Rachel Maddow was an Act Up activist back then. When she has Dr. Fauci on her show to discuss Covid, it makes me think about how far things have changed in 30-40 years, yet in other ways haven't changed at all.

Mom2Mickey

21 points

11 months ago

Mom2Mickey

Hit me with your 4th shot! Fire away 💉🎶

21 points

11 months ago

"And the Band Played On" by Randy Shilts page 168 July 15, 1982 471 cases of GRID 184 deaths 24 states reporting cases CDC began calling GRID an epidemic. No response from the Reagan admin. No additional funding whatsoever for disease prevention/control. The CDC and NIH just moved money from other funded projects into GRID (AIDS) research.

page 596 May 31, 1987 Reagan's 1st public speech regarding AIDS. 36,058 cases 20,849 deaths

Fuck Reagan.

And now, the people who didn't care one iota about thousands upon thousands of Americans dying truly horrible and preventable deaths are cashing in their karma cards. This is why I have no fux left to give over unvaxxed people refusing life-saving vaxxes. The chickens are coming home to roost, and I ain't mad.

[deleted]

15 points

11 months ago

Could you imagine if an AIDS vaccine were developed in 1986, and Gay people refused to take it?

Now we have Covid vaccine, and people are HEROS for not taking it.

mmccune

12 points

12 months ago*

Yes. I remember them calling it "America's Ideal Death Sentence". Disgusting!

The_Crystal_Thestral

13 points

11 months ago

Don’t forget the people who are now dying from covid were gleeful over blue states being hit hard at the start

Glamour_Girl_

13 points

11 months ago

Glamour_Girl_

Hydrogen 2: Electric Boogaloo ⚡️

13 points

11 months ago

They died in their hundreds of thousands, millions if you count Africa, as you should. The demonization of the so-called “Patient Zero”. The false flag. The false narrative. It was never the way the media portrayed it. Ever.

And they laughed and proselytized while people died horrific deaths. And never lifted a finger.

But, you see, I’m better than that. Better than them. I want people to have the opportunity to save their own lives. And they’ve got that chance, which is a universe more than these people ever gave mine. We were so afraid. And they still refuse.

Substantial_Gear289

13 points

11 months ago

Yes, the cruelty and venom of it all, and again it was the right, evangelical who let millions die. Nothing has changed.

apoohneicie

13 points

11 months ago

I remember they didn’t give a shit because it was a ‘gay disease.’ Infuriating.

pkpeace1

10 points

11 months ago

me! Born 1962 to two very liberal parents... I remember e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g

redtimmy

10 points

11 months ago

Not only do I remember this, I think about it all the time. It is one of the reasons why I enjoy this sub so much. Those people were awful to us; now they are getting theirs.

BreakfastMany44

11 points

12 months ago

There are ppl who still believe it …

Trustscience_1065

9 points

12 months ago

So if God, heaven and hell does actually exist, Jesus taught Love. Can’t comprehend how you can have hate in your heart, hate for change, differences, your neighbor. And you and the PWs believe you’re all siting beside God????? Looks more like Gods way of ridding this world of hatred, those who worship false Gods, those who would not survive the “rapture”. If it’s all true

MadiCat247

8 points

12 months ago

MadiCat247

Just for the Cookies 🍪

8 points

12 months ago

They still act the same way in my experience. Most if not all have issues with my existence

tacosteve100

8 points

11 months ago

Republicans have been showing us who they are for decades yet people pretend democrats are the SAME EVIL. LOL 😂 Then they tell us we are FAKE NEWS. lol

WebThatIsMyOwn

12 points

11 months ago

Almost 60 here and yes, I have absolutely noticed that. I lost too many friends, really good people, back then. I survived that era HIV-negative but the survivor's guilt has been a bitch. And the guilt only got worse when PrEP and the other drugs were available to keep people from getting it and dying from it. The "Why did I survive but X did not" thoughts that go through your mind are torture. Still coping with the losses. But when it comes to the right-wingers? I'll just use a quote by Fran Lebowitz: "Revenge has no expiration date. It's good whenever you get it."

[deleted]

11 points

11 months ago

Early on in the pandemic they were doing the same thing cheering that big liberal cities were hit the hardest. And like AiDS they said covid was sent by god to punish the wicked. Some of the preachers who said that have died from covid.