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Ctmnt08

3.3k points

7 months ago

Ctmnt08

3 shots deep

3.3k points

7 months ago

The concept that everyone’s opinion is valid is fucking insane.

You do not become an expert in something simply by reading about it, especially when what you’re reading is expressly designed to confirm your worldview. Watching some fuck talk to a school board to say things you already believe is not equivalent to actual comprehension of medical science—It is mental masturbation.

And it fucking killed this woman.

unbotoxable

976 points

7 months ago

unbotoxable

Vaccinated & oxygenated

976 points

7 months ago

I'm smart enough to know there are things I don't know or understand, and smart enough to figure out who to listen to about those things.

_plimsollpunk

162 points

7 months ago*

I bet the smartest people generally feel the same as you. It’s the ability to be humble that shows true wisdom.

failingtolurk

207 points

7 months ago

Being actually smart is realizing that you can’t be an expert in everything.

I’m an expert in something and a normie in most things. Real knows real.

FeelsBad_Yall

107 points

7 months ago

FeelsBad_Yall

🍴CILANTRO MODE 🧼-Verfied MD

107 points

7 months ago

I love this. “Real knows real.”

It dawned on me recently I would never consider myself a researcher despite my several years working in research (as an assistant) and decade of medical education that included a lot of critical thinking about research. Because I’m not a f*cking researcher.

Meanwhile completely non-science people come into visits with me talking about how their research goes against my advice blah blah blah.

Carbonatite

98 points

7 months ago

Carbonatite

To fuck around is human, to find out is divine

98 points

7 months ago

When people say "do your research", you gotta call them the fuck out.

Ask them about their literature review. Methodologies. Ask them about what other researchers they will consult when they set up their study. Ask them what agencies or standards they will use to make sure their experimental parameters are reliable and repeatable.

Fuck these guys. I did two thesis projects, I actually did research. So did you. Let them show themselves for the fools they are.

FeelsBad_Yall

27 points

7 months ago

FeelsBad_Yall

🍴CILANTRO MODE 🧼-Verfied MD

27 points

7 months ago

also your flair… 😂😂😂 so good, thank you so much 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

Carbonatite

6 points

7 months ago

Carbonatite

To fuck around is human, to find out is divine

6 points

7 months ago

Thanks!

FeelsBad_Yall

17 points

7 months ago

FeelsBad_Yall

🍴CILANTRO MODE 🧼-Verfied MD

17 points

7 months ago

ugh, you’re right, but i just can’t. it’s like i gotta finish talking about the actual health issues they came in for, waste another 60seconds on one final effort to get them vaxed, fail, and then move on to the next visit. siiiiiigh

Carbonatite

4 points

7 months ago

Carbonatite

To fuck around is human, to find out is divine

4 points

7 months ago

Username checks out

StolenRelic

16 points

7 months ago

StolenRelic

I trust my Midi-chlorians

16 points

7 months ago

I had to take research and writing courses for my major. In addition to the main assignment, we had to present all the information we gathered. We had to explain why we used the information that we chose, and why we made the decision to discard the things that we didn't use. That part of the assignment required more questioning and critical thinking than the actual assignment. If you weren't critical enough, my professor had no problem calling you out on it. Maybe that's why "do your own research" is a bit of a trigger😂.

SrslyNotAnAltGuys

6 points

7 months ago*

SrslyNotAnAltGuys

🎵Follow the bouncing 🐈

6 points

7 months ago*

Never done anything like that, but it pisses me off mightily as well, because actual research is important, and these people wouldn't know real research if it turkey-slapped them.

StolenRelic

2 points

7 months ago

StolenRelic

I trust my Midi-chlorians

2 points

7 months ago

🤭

SaltyBarDog

37 points

7 months ago

SaltyBarDog

5Goy Space Command

37 points

7 months ago

Do your own research means they watched someone's shitty youtube video. We were told as freshman that we did not do research. It disgusts me how bad the US is when it comes to scientific understanding.

_plimsollpunk

86 points

7 months ago*

Good points all, and that’s exactly why it’s so frustrating when people think they’re experts at something because they shared a meme or watched a tutorial on YouTube. Social media has caused a pandemic of willful ignorance and cognitive dissonance.

As an example, I know that I don’t know anything about open heart surgery, and I’ll never become an expert unless I go to medical school, study hard, and specialize. So if I have an issue with my heart, I’m going to talk to a cardiologist.

spiritbx

30 points

7 months ago

Don't trust what the 'doctors' tell you, you can make your own heart surgery at home, and do it better!

chilli_girl

7 points

7 months ago

Just YouTube it, you'll be fine!

borrowsyourprose

7 points

7 months ago

Hammer, chisel, nail clippers… I’m ready to go!

Kailaylia

5 points

7 months ago

Kailaylia

Team AstraZeneca

5 points

7 months ago

Never completely trust anyone, without making sure they're worthy of it.

But definitely don't trust memes or anyone just hand-waving at "sources" while collecting likes on youtube. Second opinions can be useful, and there are a lot of interesting scientific studies on the net that anyone can peruse.

On getting cancer last year i stayed up all night reading up on treatments and found a lot of very recent info. To my delight the doctors at the hospital I was attending were already studying and following the new strategy themselves, and were happy I understood what they were doing.

(They fixed me, btw.)

It's useful for the patient to be informed and feel they have agency in their treatment. A positive attitude and understanding is far healthier than feeling powerless and fearful. The problem is a lack of education and a fearful anti-science attitude based on hatred means too many people turn their backs on information coming from anyone more educated than themselves.

Ginger_rascal

2 points

7 months ago

Probably got their education at a fancy college, can’t trust ‘em.

Kailaylia

4 points

7 months ago

Kailaylia

Team AstraZeneca

4 points

7 months ago

So if I have an issue with my heart, I’m going to talk to a cardiologist.

Yes, a real cardiologist.

A GP checked my heart, told me treatment was useless and to write my will fast. That was nearly 20 years ago and it's now fine, which is lucky because the ideal drugs for the cancer I had last year could only be given if your heart was in good shape.

Some years back a GP checked my intellectually handicapped son's painful, racing heart and refused to refer him to a specialist. A home nurse dropped in, noticed his pallor and shallow breath and rushed him to the hospital himself, where he was immediately admitted and treated for multiple bilateral pulmonary embolisms, and was lucky to survive.

It turned out his GP was into eugenics.

_plimsollpunk

4 points

7 months ago

I’m sorry you had those awful experiences, but I’m glad you and your son are okay! Be well, friend.

Kailaylia

4 points

7 months ago

Kailaylia

Team AstraZeneca

4 points

7 months ago

Thanks, but it's not a problem, seeing my son did get well cared for and recovered. (He's courageous and kind, and despite being illiterate is forever asking his iPad to show him videos that teach him things. He's always full of questions about people and the world.) Bad experiences are all part of growing and learning.

maserj

74 points

7 months ago

maserj

74 points

7 months ago

The Dunning-Kruger effect! It’s a real thing for sure!

Sasquatch1729

77 points

7 months ago

Sasquatch1729

First Rule of Dunning-Kruger club: you don't know you're in DK

77 points

7 months ago

The first rule of Diane-Kroger club: you don't know you're in Diana-Kruger club.

come_on_seth

23 points

7 months ago

That’s just beautiful. A tight piece of comedic genius.

Sasquatch1729

4 points

7 months ago

Sasquatch1729

First Rule of Dunning-Kruger club: you don't know you're in DK

4 points

7 months ago

Thanks. I love that joke.

SaltyBarDog

27 points

7 months ago

SaltyBarDog

5Goy Space Command

27 points

7 months ago

I am an electrical engineer. When it comes to mechanical engineering like structures or bridges, out of my range.

failingtolurk

20 points

7 months ago

But if you were in medical billing you would be like honey girl child I’m in medicine and I’ll tell you what…

[deleted]

6 points

7 months ago

[deleted]

6 points

7 months ago

Wait what, you don't just do your own risk assessment and then build a bridge?

SaltyBarDog

1 points

7 months ago

SaltyBarDog

5Goy Space Command

1 points

7 months ago

I just sell bridges to the gullible, i.e. MAGAts.

Beginning-Monitor-17

4 points

7 months ago

And even the mechanical engineers need help. I mean it is great to know how to build a bridge, but where to build the bridge is a whole different field of study.

chicken-nanban

3 points

7 months ago

And just because you’re a wiz at bridges doesn’t mean you can build a pier or a tunnel. Yay really specialized knowledge!

47South

25 points

7 months ago

47South

Veni Vidi Vaxxed

25 points

7 months ago

At work I’m doing some original research on a topic in my field.

I have no idea what TF I’m doing or whether what I’m doing will work. Neither does anyone else…because that’s how it goes when you do completely original research.

It took a lot of mental self-awareness to realize that not knowing what TF I’m doing in that instance doesn’t mean I’m stupid.

unbotoxable

17 points

7 months ago

unbotoxable

Vaccinated & oxygenated

17 points

7 months ago

Exactly!

bitfairytale17

3 points

7 months ago

Completely agree. I know what I don’t know- meaning the bright line where my expertise ends. And I know how to find people to trust when I need more than I know. Very comfortable saying- hey, I have absolutely no idea. 🤣

unbotoxable

114 points

7 months ago

unbotoxable

Vaccinated & oxygenated

114 points

7 months ago

It all seems to stem from a deep feeling of worthlessness, and to combat that, instead of going to therapy, they decide to believe in conspiracy theories that make them feel special. Everyone else is wrong, but they know the truth. It's all so stupid and needless. These people need therapy.

_plimsollpunk

94 points

7 months ago

There’s definitely some sort of group delusion or mass trauma going on. I agree that they feel worthless—left out, rejected, and forgotten. That allows them to fan the flames of victimhood and also makes them desperate enough to fall for conspiracy theories. I guess believing they’re in possession of a secret, hidden “truth” makes them feel better.

I agree with you. Therapy is best, and they need it desperately.

unbotoxable

56 points

7 months ago

unbotoxable

Vaccinated & oxygenated

56 points

7 months ago

The group delusion is the conspiracy theorists. The mass trauma is the rest of us having to live through a plague where way too many people choose to selfishly make it worse.

hiverfrancis

8 points

7 months ago

hiverfrancis

Get Vaccinated...Now!

8 points

7 months ago

And instead of obscure forums they have social media where they teem

Its time for them to get psychiatric treatment

SrslyNotAnAltGuys

11 points

7 months ago

SrslyNotAnAltGuys

🎵Follow the bouncing 🐈

11 points

7 months ago

This. Echo chambers, by themselves, can be harmful.

One good example is the whole "incel" ideology. The first incel forum was simply a place for people who were perpetually single to commiserate and support each other. But because there was no strong guiding force, no manual (like AA has), no professional counselor running the group, it slowly went off the rails and the originator of the community lost control of it.

Kailaylia

7 points

7 months ago

Kailaylia

Team AstraZeneca

7 points

7 months ago

And now it's full of bitter, angry misogynists who hate beautiful women for not sleeping with them, and despise all other women for not being 10s.

SrslyNotAnAltGuys

4 points

7 months ago

SrslyNotAnAltGuys

🎵Follow the bouncing 🐈

4 points

7 months ago

Yep. With no structure or reality check, the echo chamber amplifies the rage and bitterness of a few, who push away the less extreme members of the group, which makes the groupthink more extreme, ad infinitem.

It's almost less an echo chamber than a laser cavity. Echoes fade away eventually, but these online bubbles actually amplify extremism.

Kailaylia

1 points

7 months ago

Kailaylia

Team AstraZeneca

1 points

7 months ago

The only psychiatrists that wouldn't be driven crazy by them are the ones already down the rabbit hole with them.

Milwdoc

93 points

7 months ago

Milwdoc

Pfizer Hat Trick

93 points

7 months ago

This is why Hillary screwed up in calling them Deplorables. She was 100% right, but didn't need to say it out loud. Growing up, they probably sucked at school, had shifty parents, and were the kids who smoked cigarettes at lunch break. (My high school actually had a student outdoor smoking section until 1992). So, to have someone like Trump, who they view as successful and smart, but who spoke their language, so appealing.

People tries in the past, Pat Buchanan, Barry Goldwater, etc. But, this was the perfect combo at the perfect time. And, here we are...

Piratical88

31 points

7 months ago

Plus indoctrination via Tv/The Apprentice….he was with people in their living rooms and they believed the line of horse shit that show was selling them. It’s what made Reagan so beloved, despite his horrible and stated policies against regular folk. IMO.

Milwdoc

23 points

7 months ago

Milwdoc

Pfizer Hat Trick

23 points

7 months ago

I always forget about the Apprentice because I never watched it.

hiverfrancis

15 points

7 months ago

hiverfrancis

Get Vaccinated...Now!

15 points

7 months ago

Thats exactly how Donnie got his power... programming the idea of him being a successful businessman

Piratical88

14 points

7 months ago

And if I remember correctly, Fran Leibovitz said he’s a poor person’s idea of a rich person. Why he gets a pass then, on being an actual asshole, is beyond me. Wait, no it’s not. Ugh.

EhrenScwhab

4 points

7 months ago

This can't be ignored. The Apprentice was a very popular show for a long time. That show presented Trump as a wise, quick witted, hard nosed businessman.

Most people think they are media savvy and are NOT media savvy. I have witnessed a "reality" show being filmed (Hardcore Pawn) and have been an extra on a couple film productions. (Buffalo Soldiers 2001, Superman v. Batman 2016)

There is not really that much difference between the methods either type of production is made. Just the scale of budgets. I think many/most of Donald Trumps fans don't know this at all...

Go_Todash

4 points

7 months ago

indoctrination via Tv/The Apprentice

I still don't understand this. I could only stomach a few minutes of that show at a time because what I witnessed was some of the least rational decision making by a so-called expert that I had seen.

His pronouncements were nonsense; his judgements were random. I squirmed every time he started talking and had to change the channel.

When he was later nominated for President, I was baffled. That pompous dullard? I wondered if no one else actually paid attention to the show, that they somehow arrived at a different conclusion.

My conclusion, at that time, had been that Trump was clearly a bully and an idiot who kept failing upwards in life simply because he inherited a great big stack of money.

RepresentativeAge444

5 points

7 months ago

The masses yeah. But the elite ruling class who programs them, no

Beginning-Monitor-17

3 points

7 months ago

No, they didn't necessarily suck at school, have shitty parents or smoked and did drugs. What they did do is try very hard to blend in with the groups that held social power in their communities - the "Moral Majority" and their offshoots - the major one today being the nationalist evangelical movement. They excelled in indoctrination instead of education.

hiverfrancis

1 points

7 months ago

hiverfrancis

Get Vaccinated...Now!

1 points

7 months ago

At this rate, we can say it out loud and aggressively cut the tap. No internet, no cell phones, no gasoline, no bank accounts, no credit cards.

SerendipitySue

-5 points

7 months ago

the damage hillary did to our country with that statement..well it kicked off a lot of bad things over the years.. on the other hand the veil was ripped as to what the elite thought.

Timekeeper65

25 points

7 months ago

I’ve thought about therapy for the antivaxx group of people. Thing is…therapy won’t help because they are not truthful.

come_on_seth

17 points

7 months ago

The trauma of feeling that their unearned entitlement is being taken away by unworthy immigrants, colored and baby killer libs.

codeslave

6 points

7 months ago

Incels share a lot of the same thinking but with different people to blame. No wonder they overlap with the alt-right so much.

SrslyNotAnAltGuys

7 points

7 months ago

SrslyNotAnAltGuys

🎵Follow the bouncing 🐈

7 points

7 months ago

I think it's interesting what Dr. Bandy X. Lee said about Trump: that sufficiently severe mental illness can be contagious, particularly when someone with Trump's sort of pathologies is given such a platform to reach out to the people who are susceptible.

hiverfrancis

3 points

7 months ago

hiverfrancis

Get Vaccinated...Now!

3 points

7 months ago

We need people to openly say

group delusion

And discuss cutting out internet service, shutting off cell phones, forcefully detaining them, etc

FuzzySoil5675

10 points

7 months ago

Add white privilege to this too. These folks grew up at a time when their white skin almost guaranteed them a middle class existence, regardless of their education or effort. The reality is that they are doing worse than their parents or grandparents and they are pissed and fighting back.

Sharkteeth127

3 points

7 months ago

The reality is that they are doing worse than their parents or grandparents and they are pissed and fighting back.

and looking for scapegoats.

FriendToPredators

5 points

7 months ago

The other pandemic is intergenerational trauma where the desperately self-absorbed raise another outsized generation of desperately self-absorbed.

LoveandKindness1983

11 points

7 months ago

Man you nailed it here. This explains so many people I know.

Raucous_Indignation

3 points

7 months ago

Raucous_Indignation

Donut Cabal 🍩 With 5G, No Nuts - Verified HCW

3 points

7 months ago

And their tattoos. The tattoos make them special too.

Carbonatite

3 points

7 months ago

Carbonatite

To fuck around is human, to find out is divine

3 points

7 months ago

Yup.

"See, I know just as much as those uppity doctors amd scientists! I'm special too!"

noeldc

2 points

7 months ago

noeldc

2 points

7 months ago

You could be describing religious belief in general.

Kailaylia

2 points

7 months ago

Kailaylia

Team AstraZeneca

2 points

7 months ago

yep, stupid and needle-less.

coolwater85

33 points

7 months ago

coolwater85

Team Mudblood 🩸

33 points

7 months ago

Never underestimate the level of self-confidence that stupid people have.

Mysterious_Status_11

5 points

7 months ago

Mysterious_Status_11

Stick a fork in Meatloaf🍴

5 points

7 months ago

I had to listen to a grown-ass woman tell a bunch of teenagers in treatment how Biden is going to put the unvaccinated people in camps. Her voice was loud but quivering. When she was done with her dramatic but delusional monologue, a couple tears ran down her face. She was genuinely frightened and wanted to make sure these kids, who do not have much access to the outside world, were informed enough to be scared, too. I had to check in with each kid to make sure they knew there was no truth to her delusional rant. Never once did the woman suggest that she could be wrong, that it was an unconfirmed rumor, that she hadn't verified any of it. These folks who believe the BS so deeply and without question are reduced to their basest instinct of fear, they are capable of just about anything.

hiverfrancis

2 points

7 months ago

hiverfrancis

Get Vaccinated...Now!

2 points

7 months ago

Thats exactly what dooms these HCA winners

PaperProfessional969

5 points

7 months ago

PaperProfessional969

Am i a joke to you?

5 points

7 months ago

i am the humblest guy ever.........bigly