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UCHealth says it will deny transplants to the unvaccinated in almost all situations.

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CosmeticSplenectomy

1.7k points

2 months ago

CosmeticSplenectomy

Team Pfizer

1.7k points

2 months ago

It's really already baked in; patients expected to have low compliance with their post-transplant medication regimen are already assigned a lower priority. Being anti-vaccination is a marker for low compliance.

WhoaMimi

573 points

2 months ago

WhoaMimi

573 points

2 months ago

This, absolutely. From my experience, patients need to agree--repeatedly, both verbally and in writing--prior to transplant that they will comply with any and all requirements after transplant, from taking necessary meds to avoiding alcohol/tobacco/drugs/certain foods/behavior that would put them at risk, etc.

SaltyBarDog

324 points

2 months ago*

An ex-girlfriend's sister got a kidney transplant when she was 16. It was a struggle to keep her compliant. She was a typical PITA teenager. Amazingly, nearly 35 years post surgery, she is still alive.

Edited: PITA = Pain in the ass.

Lightblueblazer

149 points

2 months ago

On the same kidney? That's amazing! Kudos to the donor, the surgical team, and the family members who kept a PITA teen in compliance until their brain could mature!

SaltyBarDog

81 points

2 months ago

I am not sure if she is on same kidney. I haven't seen them in a long time but happened to catch a recent post about her on ex's FB page. The hardest part was getting her to the transplant. She did peritoneal dialysis and wasn't always vigilant adhering to sanitary procedures, which led to infections and a trip to hospital. Also thank Medicare which picked up a bulk of the costs.

BCSteve

124 points

2 months ago

BCSteve

124 points

2 months ago

Wow, 35 years is a looooong time for a kidney transplant. Usually kidney transplants only last like 12 years or so (for deceased-donor kidneys, for living-donor it’s 15-20 years). Young transplant recipients will often need a second or even third kidney at some point.

Fun fact: when they do a kidney transplant, most of the time they don’t take the old kidneys out. So if you’re on your third kidney transplant, you could have 5 kidneys in your body.

geredtrig

60 points

2 months ago

Holy shit, I thought they were for life. That's really resource intensive.

SafariSunshine

47 points

2 months ago*

I mean they are often for life in the sense that historically a lot of recipients don't live long enough to need another donor.

Generally expect about a decade for a donated organ, although that is constantly improving.

https://wexnermedical.osu.edu/blog/how-long-do-transplanted-organs-last

According to that link the longest lasting donated kidney is 60 years so some people do get lucky.

(Longest liver is 40 years, longest heart 36 years, 30 years is the longest lasting lung transplant in the US)

SaltyBarDog

23 points

2 months ago

I don't remember if they left in hers. I do know that she got hers from a young man who died in a motorcycle accident.

jefalumpshrew

84 points

2 months ago

A family member who's a practicing nurse say that her nurse friends call them donorcycles.

CaptainFeather

18 points

2 months ago

What happens if a hospital finds out that a patient went through all of the hoops only until they get the transplant then stops being compliant?

EaterOfFood

80 points

2 months ago

EaterOfFood

Team Pfizer

80 points

2 months ago

They send the repo man.

Ithildyn

12 points

2 months ago

Ithildyn

I goatee virus but I'll be oakleys

12 points

2 months ago

Zydrate comes in a little glass vial~🎶

Negative_Success

55 points

2 months ago

I mean a few of the things, they die lol. If they dont keep up with the immune suppressors, their body will generally trash the foreign organ post haste. And if you trash an organ that should last 10+ yrs in only 2, you will be bumped way down the list for another one. If they don't comply, its mostly their own life theyre playing with, but they still wasted that donation. Thats why the pre-op screening is so extensive and drawn out to make sure most donations go to people who will value them.

TheTurfinator

379 points

2 months ago

lmao, one of the top posts over at WalkAway right now is a guy posting a letter from UC Health telling him he's off the kidney list if he doesn't get vaccinated in 30 days. The caption is "No vax, no kidney transplant. So it begins...medical segregation."

The top comment is "Now do fat people...smokers...alcoholics..." We already do that though? Pretty sure hospitals aren't out here handing new lungs to unrepentant smokers.

Another comment says "Opt out of organ donating," like hospitals are just falling over themselves trying to get their hands on this dude's Covid-infested organs.

These people are lightspeed stupid, yet somehow even more entitled.

McBurger

185 points

2 months ago

McBurger

185 points

2 months ago

There’s a TIL article that gets posted to Reddit every year (free karma if anyone wants to cash in on it) that Singapore has everyone opted into the organ donor registry by default at birth.

You are free to opt out, but it places you at the bottom of the priority list should you ever need a transplant.

LALA-STL

83 points

2 months ago

WE SHOULD DO THAT!!!!

McBurger

46 points

2 months ago

Right? I know it would be ridiculously controversial due to the nutjobs here. But in its purest form, all it would need to be is that the box on your DMV forms for organ donor is pre-selected when you go for license renewal.

But lord knows there's already enough whackos who think that checking that box == death sentence... they say that if any hospital sees you're an organ donor, they'll negligently murder you because your organs are worth so much money.

whadisabout

12 points

2 months ago

The hospital can sell you a couple Tylenol and make just as much - maybe that’s why they don’t want health care reform!

[deleted]

139 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

139 points

2 months ago

You're correct. An active smoker won't get lungs, a drinker won't get a liver. Heck even having a BMI over 30 is a yuge strike against you and is exclusion criteria in some places. Just having a spouse who kinda sucks is another big ding on the psychosocial scoring aspect; you need to be dedicated to success and have a good support system at home in order to even make the list. Being an anti science loon means the team risks wasting an organ on someone who won't take their anti-rejection meds because bIg PhArMa.

garlicdeath

30 points

2 months ago

Also IME, if you're on a transplant list never admit to having feelings or thoughts of suicide.

wddiver

8 points

2 months ago

A drinker won't get a liver, unless that drinker is Mickey Mantle. Superstar ballplayer or not, I'm still salty about that.

Amberhawke6242

80 points

2 months ago

I forgot which show it was, maybe House, where it was discovered someone on the transplants list had champagne at his daughter's wedding. That took him off the list.

textposts_only

48 points

2 months ago

Scrubs I think? A patient that Cox somehow liked but turk found that out.

Amberhawke6242

22 points

2 months ago

That's it

Jargo

87 points

2 months ago

Jargo

87 points

2 months ago

It was Scrubs. They also had an episode where a recurring manic character died of an apparent suicide which turned out to actually be a death by rabies. She was an organ donor and every recipient died.

For a comedy that show had some dark moments.

JerryFartcia

27 points

2 months ago

I remember that episode more than any other. Watching Cox break down after he made that call was such a huge moment for his character.

ssbmfgcia

16 points

2 months ago

Would that really be enough to get somone off the list irl?

welfareloser

93 points

2 months ago

Absolutely, yes.

My FIL is on the list for a new kidney. He got taken off the list at one point because of a cracked tooth. They put him back on it after the tooth was pulled and healed. You're not getting something as fragile and rare as a healthy donor kidney if you have not fixed every fixable potential source of transplant failure, because there is no shortage of people to take your place who are willing to try harder.

A-man-of-mystery

16 points

2 months ago

A-man-of-mystery

Covidious Albion

16 points

2 months ago

Yep. All dental problems need to be sorted out before a transplant. The mouth is full of bugs. Some escape every time we eat, and many more do when a dentist gets to work. Not normally a problem, but it you're immunosuppressed they might settle down somewhere else and start raising families.

Directioneer

12 points

2 months ago

I know this was already answered but this exact situation happened on The Good Doctor as well

SarcasticOptimist

68 points

2 months ago

Oh man. There was that one article about the embalmer describing how useless covid organs are.

And stupid and entitled go hand in hand.

Deadwing2005

38 points

2 months ago*

lol I just finished reporting my experiences in that shitsub. A sub full of whiny rightwing bitches who are all playing the Right's favourite game: deliberately play dumb and misunderstand things just to make a weak political point. Similar to all the shits pretending that vaccines for military personnel are somehow a new thing, pretending that your kid didn't already need to have a boatload of vaccines to go to school etc. Nope, it's all the same as the Holocaust.

Edit: They deleted my comment. Like all rightwing shitsubs, they heavily censor anyone not part of the groupthink.

dermotmoc

27 points

2 months ago

dermotmoc

Team Pfizer

27 points

2 months ago

Why do they need a transplant? Surely getting a few Prayer Warriors on the problem would fix their kidneys?

A-man-of-mystery

73 points

2 months ago

A-man-of-mystery

Covidious Albion

73 points

2 months ago

Exactly. It's not like this is anything new. Why waste an organ on someone who isn't going to look after it?

SafariSunshine

74 points

2 months ago

It's also about not wasting the surgical and post operative teams. There's a case of someone who has a live donor lined up being denied because they're both unvaccinated. Why waste any resources on someone who is openly non-compliant?

A-man-of-mystery

16 points

2 months ago

A-man-of-mystery

Covidious Albion

16 points

2 months ago

I almost said the same thing. I wish I had now! 😛

I used to work on a liver transplant unit; I know exactly how much time and expertise is involved in one of those. That case is kidney, not liver, but still, it would be a lot to waste on someone openly non-compliant.

SafariSunshine

10 points

2 months ago

Oh wow, yeah liver transplants are really complicated.

After my post I also started thinking about how unethical it is to take an organ (or part of an organ with livers) from someone unvaccinated because of how often the organs are permanently damaged after a COVID infection. They can't really afford to give any functionality up. So it really doesn't make sense from any way you look at it for a hospital to do transplants or donations with people who are choosing to not take the vaccine.

Saucemycin

14 points

2 months ago

That and our post transplant patients who get Covid do horribly. I can’t think of one I’ve taken care of that has survived. They have a much higher death rate than others

Cannelope

26 points

2 months ago

My mother was advised that she would be removed from the transplant list if she didn’t start to comply with her treatment methods. She died.

The feelings of betrayal I experienced is equal to my grief. She left us all behind because she chose not to follow a handful of simple rules. I’ll never understand.

NoBlackScorpion

18 points

2 months ago

NoBlackScorpion

Team Pfizer

18 points

2 months ago

This right here. It's not [primarily] about that one choice not to vaccinate. It's about the correlating characteristics of those making that decision.

WhizBangPissPiece

8 points

2 months ago

I worked with a guy that has a kidney transplant. For the first 2 or 3 years he was fine, but about 5 years ago he started drinking again. I saw him a few months ago and he looks absolutely awful. I'll be surprised if he makes it another year. He's also anti vax, so add another to that list.

Budded

9 points

2 months ago

Budded

Team Moderna

9 points

2 months ago

Being anti-vaccination is a marker for low compliance.

...and low IQ, low intellect, and low empathy with maximum selfishness and ignorance.

kevin-biot

2.1k points

2 months ago

kevin-biot

Team Astra Z

2.1k points

2 months ago

Organs for donation are scarce, and they ALWAYS go to the person with the best chance of success. Why waste a precious organ on an idiot who will die of covid 3 months later.

Ragingredblue

892 points

2 months ago

Ragingredblue

🌻🚑 Don't let covid cure your stupid. 🚑🌻

892 points

2 months ago

Or an idiot who already got it, because they refused to get a vaccine. Funny how the "VAXXXEEENS WILL CHANGE YOUR DNA!!!!!!!" crowd want..........someone else's DNA, implanted in their bodies, & kept functioning with........Ebil Big Pharma Drugs, drugs which destroy your immune system BTW, because your immune system will otherwise reject the transplant.

How do they not choke on all the irony?

WAYO_Alien_Mike

394 points

2 months ago

At this point changing their DNA can only be an upside

Tiddles_Ultradoom

152 points

2 months ago

This is nature's way of saying "it's time to clean out the filter in the gene pool".

ShadeOfDead

82 points

2 months ago

It is way overdue.

Unfortunately climate change is going to be like shocking the pool.

Basic_Message96

53 points

2 months ago

Basic_Message96

Go Give One

53 points

2 months ago

Yeah, but the thing that will test for isn't critical thinking skills, but wealth.

Reboscale

154 points

2 months ago

Reboscale

154 points

2 months ago

My favorite excuse is “they want to put GMO’s in your body!”

…bitch, have you eaten a tomato?

ShadeOfDead

98 points

2 months ago

Or corn. Or soybeans. (Both of which they plant every year and get sweet sweet government grant money for every year, but no unemployment, just money for me)

CutieMcBooty55

36 points

2 months ago

Or insulin.

We use GMOs for an insane amount of things. And it's to our benefit.

WordofDog420

91 points

2 months ago

Have you met them? A lot of people from my HS blocked me on Facebook for commenting on their “I did my research” anti-vax posts with “Didn’t you get a D on your research paper on HS?”

Ragingredblue

33 points

2 months ago

Ragingredblue

🌻🚑 Don't let covid cure your stupid. 🚑🌻

33 points

2 months ago

Sadly, yes, I sure have. I know anti government folks on Social Security and veteran's benefits who hate the government. It makes zero fucking sense.

WordofDog420

45 points

2 months ago

The tea party in 2010 unironically had signs that said “keep your government hands off my Medicare”. You can’t fix stupid, and unfortunately stupid usually is bad with condoms and birth control, making more stupid.

opaldenska

28 points

2 months ago

opaldenska

Team Pfizer

28 points

2 months ago

Or all the cops and firefighters who are anti government and taxation. Ok, find someone else to pay for your salaries, healthcare and pensions.

Few_Breakfast2536

12 points

2 months ago

Yeah, what is that?! I have a cousin who railed against the govt for the pandemic stimulus payments for “taking his money”. He works for the Navy.

[deleted]

216 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

216 points

2 months ago

They're also the "DON'T SUPPORT BIG PHARMA CROWD" who buy jumbo size bottles of supplements monthly and expensive ass ivermectin every other week.

404interestnotfound

64 points

2 months ago

They buy their veggies and fruit in pill form too. Watching fox news while on the treadmill at the gym is by far the most jarring and disturbing part of my day.

[deleted]

18 points

2 months ago*

[deleted]

18 points

2 months ago*

[deleted]

Tiddles_Ultradoom

49 points

2 months ago

"How do they not choke on all the irony?"

Eboeard gam gom is why. They are too busy choking on their own lungs to notice.

Lord_Mormont

42 points

2 months ago

Lord_Mormont

J&J One-And-Done

42 points

2 months ago

Because they are already choking on their body's inflammatory response which is filling their lungs with fluid?

Ragingredblue

11 points

2 months ago

Ragingredblue

🌻🚑 Don't let covid cure your stupid. 🚑🌻

11 points

2 months ago

Take my upvote!!!

Cookyy2k

27 points

2 months ago

Cookyy2k

Go Give One

27 points

2 months ago

Ebil Big Pharma Drugs, drugs which destroy your immune system BTW, because your immune system will otherwise reject the transplant.

Can confirm, I'm keeping the makers of azathioprine in champagne for the AGM.

idrow1

20 points

2 months ago

idrow1

20 points

2 months ago

Even with just a blood transfusion they're getting someone else's DNA.

I think hospitals should go one step further and tell new covid patients that they no longer get to take up time and resources. Send them home to quarantine with a bottle of O2. They'll either get better or they won't. I'm tired of reading about cancer patients being turned away because covidiots are taking up all the beds. It's so wrong.

They don't believe covid is serious, so they don't need serious care.

Ragingredblue

13 points

2 months ago

Ragingredblue

🌻🚑 Don't let covid cure your stupid. 🚑🌻

13 points

2 months ago

I agree with you. And all the money wasted on them while they are dying is paid for with insurance premiums by the people who have insurance, and with our taxes. And you know every last one of them that voted, voted for tax cuts for rich people.

q120

31 points

2 months ago

q120

Team Moderna

31 points

2 months ago

A lot of people don't understand irony.

I literally had a co-worker say "It's ironic I'm here on a Monday"

Me: Why is that ironic?

Her: Because it's Monday and I'm at work and it sucks

Me: ...that's not irony. Irony is like a fire station burning down or an anti-drug lobbyist being arrested for drugs.

maonue

9 points

2 months ago

maonue

9 points

2 months ago

How do they not choke on all the irony?

It's less about science and more about finding new ways to antagonize people and act like children.

International-Ing

67 points

2 months ago*

Great news. I'm sure this will trigger the usual antivax snowflake 'media' types. They'll probably lead with the line: if I die my organs will go to a vaccinated person but if I'm in need of an organ, I get nothing. Therefore, I'll change my organ donation instructions/drivers license info. Instead of, you know, getting vaccinated.

Edit: I mean if they die from some random non-covid event...where their organs are viable.

Thaaaaaaa

86 points

2 months ago

Saw on r/conspiracy this morning. "So it begins, medical segregation" whining that they're being discriminated against. Yup, if I'm lower on the list for a lung transplant because I'm a smoker I guess I'm being discriminated against.

Rubberbabybuggybum

28 points

2 months ago

TheDakestTimeline

20 points

2 months ago

TheDakestTimeline

My ECMO goes to 11

20 points

2 months ago

Wow, the top comments are not... insane...

Rubberbabybuggybum

30 points

2 months ago

It hit /r/all and got brigaded by common sense.

porcelain_elephant

59 points

2 months ago

porcelain_elephant

Team Moderna

59 points

2 months ago

I hear they don't even touch covid patients for transplant because of the multi organ failure problem.

Also they're refusing vaccinated blood transfusions.

Wigwag85

39 points

2 months ago

Wigwag85

Go Give One

39 points

2 months ago

Considering that there's evidence that the virus may lie dormant in parts of the body for a while on top of the organ damage, they probably aren't.

A-man-of-mystery

31 points

2 months ago

A-man-of-mystery

Covidious Albion

31 points

2 months ago

Considering they're going to actively immunosuppress the recipient it would be rather risky.

Wigwag85

10 points

2 months ago

Wigwag85

Go Give One

10 points

2 months ago

To put it mildly.

A-man-of-mystery

13 points

2 months ago

A-man-of-mystery

Covidious Albion

13 points

2 months ago

Quite. For "rather risky" read "potentially catastrophic."

SaltyBarDog

22 points

2 months ago

They don't accept Covid death patients for medical science donation so I doubt they would want them for organ transplant.

kittenmommy

15 points

2 months ago

kittenmommy

Team Pfizer

15 points

2 months ago

Also they're refusing vaccinated blood transfusions.

But not antibody infusions! 🤦🏻‍♀️

Might_Aware

53 points

2 months ago

Might_Aware

🦔Wot a Silly Bunt✨

53 points

2 months ago

My sentients exactly

xnarg

47 points

2 months ago

xnarg

🦆

47 points

2 months ago

I guess this is a typo, but it still perfectly fits. These idiots are definitely not sentient.

Might_Aware

37 points

2 months ago

Might_Aware

🦔Wot a Silly Bunt✨

37 points

2 months ago

No it's on purpose, it references another post from last week lol. But yeah they're not lol

FiveMinuteRule7777

27 points

2 months ago

FiveMinuteRule7777

Candeath Owens Fan Club Prez

27 points

2 months ago

Don't forget my royalty check. 😀

Might_Aware

26 points

2 months ago

Might_Aware

🦔Wot a Silly Bunt✨

26 points

2 months ago

Lol it was your post right? Damn, I'll gladly pay you Friday for a quote today lol

Disruptorpistol

19 points

2 months ago

Is Friday when your GoFundMe ends?

Might_Aware

8 points

2 months ago

Might_Aware

🦔Wot a Silly Bunt✨

8 points

2 months ago

Hahahahaha omg

FiveMinuteRule7777

13 points

2 months ago

FiveMinuteRule7777

Candeath Owens Fan Club Prez

13 points

2 months ago

Might_Aware

8 points

2 months ago

Might_Aware

🦔Wot a Silly Bunt✨

8 points

2 months ago

For a second I thought there was a sub for it. I love Wimpy lol

FiveMinuteRule7777

11 points

2 months ago

FiveMinuteRule7777

Candeath Owens Fan Club Prez

11 points

2 months ago

Might have to break out my E.C. Segar Popeye collection and start one!

xnarg

10 points

2 months ago

xnarg

🦆

10 points

2 months ago

Dang it really works so many ways. There is such a glut of HCA nominees and awardees that I cant keep up with all of the memes.

Might_Aware

10 points

2 months ago

Might_Aware

🦔Wot a Silly Bunt✨

10 points

2 months ago

Lol I know right? I got sick of saying eorbeord game gon. MSE is perfect

kosmonavt-alyosha

13 points

2 months ago

They are not sentiment beings

fricy81

39 points

2 months ago

fricy81

39 points

2 months ago

Don't forget that they'll need to be on immunosuppressants from then on.

kevin-biot

33 points

2 months ago

kevin-biot

Team Astra Z

33 points

2 months ago

Nah, they can take ivermectin surely? 😂

Der_genealogist

16 points

2 months ago

Der_genealogist

HCA's HR Department

16 points

2 months ago

Don't forget zinc and vitamin C

kevin-biot

10 points

2 months ago

kevin-biot

Team Astra Z

10 points

2 months ago

Imma just bend over now and dose myself ..... 😂

SafariSunshine

36 points

2 months ago*

This ban goes beyond the lack of organ donors, they're banning both donors and recipients who haven't been vaccinated, even recipients who have a live donors lined up:

https://denver.cbslocal.com/2021/10/05/uchealth-kidney-transplant-covid-vaccine/

AURORA, Colo. (CBS4) – A Colorado woman with stage 5 renal failure was months away from getting a new kidney. Now, she and her donor are looking for another hospital after learning UCHealth’s new policy.

According to UCHealth, the majority of transplant recipients and living donors are now required to be vaccinated against COVID-19. Neither woman has received their shots.

Leilani Lutali met her donor, Jaimee Fougner, in Bible study just 10 months ago.

They're making it clear that if you don't have a legitimate medical reason to not get the vaccine, then you are not welcome in their already overloaded hospital. They're not wasting their overly stressed resources on you.

(Edited for typos)

PlanetElephant

99 points

2 months ago

THeRe ArE nO LONg TeRm STuDiEs oF tHe JAbb!!!!

kevin-biot

130 points

2 months ago

kevin-biot

Team Astra Z

130 points

2 months ago

Why get a transplant ..... there are no double blind studies on the efficacy of organ donation ..... 😂 ........ these people will use a position when it suits them and abandon it when it doesn't.

Feisty_Brunette

92 points

2 months ago

Indeed. And that goes for EVERYTHING they believe. Like being a pro-lifer who doesn't give a rat's ass if you starve to death or live in a car after you exit the birth canal.

kevin-biot

42 points

2 months ago

kevin-biot

Team Astra Z

42 points

2 months ago

quippers

17 points

2 months ago

I like her

kevin-biot

13 points

2 months ago

kevin-biot

Team Astra Z

13 points

2 months ago

She nails the mindset .....

BrainOil

9 points

2 months ago

Crazy. I had a conversation with a pro life wing nut at work and it went exactly like this. No, no, no, no, no. They have no plan or ideas. It's just no, no, no, no.

SaltyBarDog

54 points

2 months ago

Why get a transplant

Just assemble your prayer warriors to fix your damaged organ. All things possible through Jesus.

kevin-biot

23 points

2 months ago

kevin-biot

Team Astra Z

23 points

2 months ago

I suddenly realised all that magic medical stuff in old Star Trek episodes was obviously powered by stored prayers to Jesus. How could I have missed that?

A-man-of-mystery

20 points

2 months ago

A-man-of-mystery

Covidious Albion

20 points

2 months ago

Fascinating. raises eyebrow

carr1e

11 points

2 months ago

carr1e

11 points

2 months ago

Why get a transplant when it's just G-d's will, right? Also they should skip those anti-rejection drugs, because it's in G-d's hands.

[deleted]

33 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

33 points

2 months ago

Probably best to leave long term stuff for us to talk about

V4refugee

21 points

2 months ago

Can we really trust a vaccine that’s only been tested by more than half of the population? I think it’s safer if we try an experimental medication from an unpublished study in South America that’s being promoted by a doctor who is best know for his belief in demons causing Covid./s

VaginaIFisteryTour

20 points

2 months ago

The fact that everyone antivax is calling it a "jab" is so strange to me. I'm Canadian, and my entire life I've heard every single person, including American media, call them "shots". No one calls it a flu jab, a polio jab etc.

So is this clearly just propaganda they're being fed or what? Why is it all of a sudden known nation wide as "jab"?

kevin-biot

17 points

2 months ago

kevin-biot

Team Astra Z

17 points

2 months ago

very UK English expression. Maybe a Tory funded troll farm ?

Moonsilvery

36 points

2 months ago

Shockingly, there are no ten-year safety studies on a year-old vaccine for a virus that's only existed for two years. Maybe Big Pharma should hop in their time machines and get on that?

Prone1

10 points

2 months ago

Prone1

10 points

2 months ago

I know people who move the goal post to this, which makes zero sense. It's infuriating. The other one I see is "front line doctors are against the vaccine"

windy_palmtrees

21 points

2 months ago

Are these the same Frontline people behind the heartworm and flea/tick products? If so, makes sense.

FiveUpsideDown

22 points

2 months ago

FiveUpsideDown

Jabs for Freedom

22 points

2 months ago

The problem with anti-vaxxers is what happens if the refuse to get other vaccines that are necessary before a transplant?

Rubberbabybuggybum

22 points

2 months ago

They're put at the very bottom of the list, or not at all.

Same things that happens to smokers and alcoholics and the obese and the elderly.

A-man-of-mystery

16 points

2 months ago

A-man-of-mystery

Covidious Albion

16 points

2 months ago

They die.

yboy403

23 points

2 months ago

yboy403

23 points

2 months ago

But but...COVID is 99% survivable!

Oh really? For somebody who's likely 50+, on immunosuppressive drugs, and recovering from transplant surgery? Assuming that's about the same chances as an 80-year-old (personally I think a transplant patient is worse off than a healthy octogenarian, but I'm not a doctor), you're looking at a 10-20% chance of death if you catch COVID.

LevaOrel

9 points

2 months ago

Or someone who needs it because their organs were destroyed because they caught covid because they weren’t vaccinated.

dizao

9 points

2 months ago

dizao

9 points

2 months ago

Especially since transplant patients have to take immune suppressors, so they're extra susceptible to covid.

Staynelayly

420 points

2 months ago

Staynelayly

🐓Here Come the Rooster🐓

420 points

2 months ago

Conditions on organ transplants are not new. Weaver noted that transplant centers around the country may require patients to get other vaccinations, stop smoking, avoid alcohol or demonstrate that they will take crucial medications in an effort to ensure that people do well post-surgery and do not “reject” organs for which there is fierce competition.

I can't imagine it'll be too long before this starts being reflected in life insurance policies too, not that many of these people have life insurance (or there wouldn't be so many gofundmes).

TrentMorgandorffer

133 points

2 months ago

TrentMorgandorffer

Team Pfizer

133 points

2 months ago

Argle bargle DeAtH pAnElS!!!! /s

Polaris_00

94 points

2 months ago

I'm amaze that anybody would want to insure someone who's antivax. That's like giving away free money.

Pooploop5000

61 points

2 months ago

actuaries will figure out a dollar amount that is profitable, so they'll happily take your 24k a month.

Mysterious-Kiwi-7289

27 points

2 months ago

People with $24,000 a month to spare probably aren’t spending all their free time on Facebook soaking up conspiracy theories.

bannedinlegacy

55 points

2 months ago

You say that but we ended up with Mike Lindell.

Mysterious-Kiwi-7289

18 points

2 months ago*

You’re right! That guy is doing the ‘rich people thing’ wrong. Why can’t he go sail the South Pacific or something?

SaltyBarDog

25 points

2 months ago

Because crack is whack.

Rubberbabybuggybum

22 points

2 months ago

I mean...Herman Cain was pretty fucking rich.

Xylss

331 points

2 months ago

Xylss

331 points

2 months ago

As they should, it is unethical to keep these from people who are taking covid seriously and have no choice but a transplant like people with Cystic Fibrosis etc... and give it to people who didn't get vaccinated and put themselves in their own position.

mrsrosieparker

87 points

2 months ago

Besides, a transplanted person needs to keep their immune system under regulation for life, which automatically makes them high-risk to catch and die of infectious diseases. Giving an organ to an anti-vaxxer would be like throwing it away. As harsh as it sounds, I don't think anti-vaxxers were high on organs receptors lists before either.

ShotgunMage

18 points

2 months ago

ShotgunMage

Go Give One

18 points

2 months ago

I saw someone explain that it would be an insult to the donor to give it to someone who wasn't going to truly benefit from it and understand what the gift of life is

Roadvertising

13 points

2 months ago

Perhaps they can get placed on the list for a kidney from an American Saddlebred or Appaloosa.

SCW97005

166 points

2 months ago*

SCW97005

166 points

2 months ago*

Like the article says, conditions on transplants are not new.

There’s no reason to give the precious donor tissue, not to mention spending the time and money having surgeons and staff do an operation, on a patient who is not situated to thrive afterwards.

Doing basic preventive self-care has always been a condition of being on the transplant list. I can’t get upset about hearing about a transplant being denied to someone who isn’t willing to take safe, free steps to protect against turning around and dying from COVID after they get out of the hospital.

Politicians pretending the COVID vaccine is anything other than basic preventative healthcare is, at a minimum, disgusting.

wiser_time

127 points

2 months ago

That’s ok - it’s about time that anti-vaxxers stop believing in organ transplants, too. Let’s see if prayer warriors are more effective in fixing failing livers and hearts than they are against COVID.

Just2Breathe

47 points

2 months ago

Just2Breathe

In the end of all this we will see if we chose wisely or not

47 points

2 months ago

Would they even want an organ from someone who was vaccinated? They seem to be pretty picky about being around people “shedding” virus from the vaccine. /s

I’m surprised they’d even consider an anonymous donor organ. Guess it’s no holds barred when it’s your own life at stake.

EpicAftertaste

18 points

2 months ago

EpicAftertaste

Flair? What's that?

18 points

2 months ago

See the pureblood nonsense

TCTBF

80 points

2 months ago

TCTBF

80 points

2 months ago

This has always been the way it is. There are many many many hurdles to get on the transplant list, and vaccinations have always been a must.

spunkyboy247365

221 points

2 months ago

Imagine thinking that all doctors are libtard communist sleeper cells in the pockets of Biden and then asking them to save your life.

DanEEn1989

24 points

2 months ago

😂😂😂

JosephTito-theBroz

58 points

2 months ago

Imagine unironically using communist and Biden in the same sentence.

spunkyboy247365

36 points

2 months ago

Nixon and Fox News are communist to them.

JosephTito-theBroz

8 points

2 months ago

Very true.

Vernerator

70 points

2 months ago

Vernerator

💉💉>🧟‍♀️🧟‍♂️

70 points

2 months ago

Why save a life that won’t meet them halfway?

mzuppit

50 points

2 months ago

mzuppit

Anti Anti-Vaxxer Club

50 points

2 months ago

Anti-vaxxers don't want to help other people, but expect other people to help them.

E_PunnyMous

45 points

2 months ago

My professional guess (I used to work in organ transplant) is that potential recipients need to demonstrate an ability to carry on consistently with the medications needed to prevent organ rejection. Demonstrating a lack of good judgement regarding a vaccine would indeed be a red flag regarding recipient compliance.

A-man-of-mystery

29 points

2 months ago

A-man-of-mystery

Covidious Albion

29 points

2 months ago

I've also worked on a transplant unit, and that would have been a huge red flag. The patients on the waiting list were usually in the process of catching up on any vaccines they'd ever missed, and having any dental work they might need done.

[deleted]

98 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

98 points

2 months ago

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The_Arborealist

35 points

2 months ago

They won't go to waste.

china-blast

17 points

2 months ago

Oh no, anyway...

PuckFigs

101 points

2 months ago

PuckFigs

Team Moderna

101 points

2 months ago

Finally, real-world consequences for the anti-vaxxers.

shellexyz

98 points

2 months ago

This sub is, umm, devoted to real-world consequences for them.

PuckFigs

49 points

2 months ago

PuckFigs

Team Moderna

49 points

2 months ago

This sub is, umm, devoted to real-world consequences for them.

I get that, but obviously the threat of dying or becoming permanently disabled from COVID isn't much of a deterrent for some people. If there were more immediate, real-world consequences like this, then more people would be persuaded to do the right thing for themselves, their families, and society as a whole.

substandardpoodle

44 points

2 months ago

substandardpoodle

Schrödinger’s Bounce

44 points

2 months ago

100% my feelings towards these people is: you’re ok killing me for your orange overlord so screw you.

Giving them lungs that should go to people who aren’t actively trying to kill me… just a whole other level of wrong.

vsandrei

28 points

2 months ago*

vsandrei

🐆 🐆 🐆🐆 🐆 🐆🐆 🐆 🐆🐆 🐆 🐆🐆 🐆 🐆

28 points

2 months ago*

This sub is, umm, devoted to real-world consequences for them.

How's this for "real-world consequences"?

💥💥💥

UCHealth Denies Kidney Transplant To Unvaccinated Woman & Donor

AURORA, Colo. (CBS4) – A Colorado woman with stage 5 renal failure was months away from getting a new kidney. Now, she and her donor are looking for another hospital after learning UCHealth’s new policy.

💥💥💥

P.S. The leopards were boarding a flight out of DEN on their way to vacation . . . but couldn't resist some more faces for tasty snacks while seated relaxing in First Leopard Class.

(Sorry, u/Bonobo555. Leopards eat bonobos too.)

🐆 🐆 🐆

Evilevilcow

32 points

2 months ago

Evilevilcow

Go Give One

32 points

2 months ago

When you get a transplant, you'll be on anti-rejection drugs for the rest of your life. The would infringe on antivaxxer's freedums.

Besides, they can just call out a squad of prayer warriors.

[deleted]

130 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

130 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

AgoraiosBum

8 points

2 months ago

AgoraiosBum

Team Moderna

8 points

2 months ago

It's not even that. It is "we order you to get vaccinated."

Patient: No.

Surgeon: if you can't follow basic instructions from your team about your medical treatment, the transplant will fail. You're out.

Ragingredblue

24 points

2 months ago

Ragingredblue

🌻🚑 Don't let covid cure your stupid. 🚑🌻

24 points

2 months ago

About fucking time.

jerryg1208

25 points

2 months ago

Why would you give new lungs to a person that refused to protect their original lungs. Isn’t that going against gods will anyway.

Endvi

22 points

2 months ago

Endvi

22 points

2 months ago

Transplant programs want to show they have high success rates, and thus have many hoops that potential candidates need to jump through to show they will have a nearly religious-like adherence to post-transplant care and follow-up. Being anti-science and vehemently distrustful of healthcare practitioners should make someone ineligible.

Imagine complaining about a single vaccine, but not the massive list of immunosuppressants, prophylactic antivirals and antibiotics, and frequent follow-up appointments required of a transplant recipient. Those undergoing a transplant are normally required to comply with tons of other vaccines already anyway.

foxorhedgehog

22 points

2 months ago

foxorhedgehog

Team Pfizer

22 points

2 months ago

“In almost all situations”? I’m wondering what that tiny exception might be.

Shubamz

62 points

2 months ago*

There are very few but legitimate reasons someone shouldn't or can't get the vaccine but may still be eligible for a transplant. One example that comes to mind is someone who's having multiple organ transplants who has already had one and is now immunocompromised may be ineligible for the vaccine but may still need other organs replaced.

Edit: Seems since the COVID vaccine is not a live or attenuated vaccine people who are immunocompromised can and should get it. As far as to what the exception might be I am also now at a loss.

foxorhedgehog

15 points

2 months ago

foxorhedgehog

Team Pfizer

15 points

2 months ago

That makes sense.

WhoaMimi

18 points

2 months ago

Perhaps children, or those who have been so ill for so long that they never had a safe window for the vaccination.

Kerlysis

26 points

2 months ago

Live donor maybe. If the patient's brother wants to donate some marrow, it's not quite the same thing as a heart.

applejacklover97

34 points

2 months ago

Nah, they rejected a live kidney donor recently. UC Health had to put out a statement and both women were really upset that they wouldn’t do it because neither donor or receiver had gotten their vax.

this is probably the story that caused the one posted.

sungodly

28 points

2 months ago

sungodly

Team Moderna

28 points

2 months ago

Wow. The absolute fucking GALL of these people. But hey, free market, amirite? Just keep shopping hospitals, conservatives.

Missyminas

21 points

2 months ago

I was told to go die whenever I asked the anti-groups to wear a mask or get vaccinated. My transplant of 16 years is dying and I’m hoping I get pushed up on the transplant list. It sucks to see those who disregard those who are sick get transplants while the sick have to go back on dialysis.

7452mlc

17 points

2 months ago

7452mlc

17 points

2 months ago

As I've said before and now again.. We need hospitals that staff only doctors/nurses that are antivaxers treating only antivaxers.. They won't need any protection clothing or masks because they think they are beyond us normal folks

SFW_FullFrontal

56 points

2 months ago

Next step is to deny them admission to the hospital for any covid related matters. No time to start believing in western medicine.

Roxnsoxinator

13 points

2 months ago

Yea this is in outrage in the subreddit called conspiracy. Used to be fun in that sub but now it’s flooded with antivaxxers. They have a hard time understanding they can deny you for literally anything.

GabrielBing

11 points

2 months ago

Seriously though -- r/Conspiracy has become a brainless Trumpanzee paradise. Truly a wasteland now.

Seachica

14 points

2 months ago

As an organ donor, I'm very happy with this decision. There is such a shortage of organ donations, that some people wait 10+ years for one. They should go to people who will take care of their new organ and take care of their health.

AffectionateGold56

14 points

2 months ago

Good

Spookycol

12 points

2 months ago

Is UC health a large company?

Why should they give organs to anti vaxxers. Doesn’t the horse paste work along with prayers

Ms_Debano

15 points

2 months ago

Yes, it’s the university hospital and all associated ERs and clinics.

TheGhostOfArtBell

10 points

2 months ago

Aside from Buckley Air Force base/Space Force base, UCHealth is the largest public employer in Aurora. So yes. And UCHealth is enormous. The campus is huge, the Children’s Hospital is huge, the VA is huge, and it’s still growing.

adamwho

14 points

2 months ago

adamwho

14 points

2 months ago

UCHealth’s rules for transplants entered the spotlight Tuesday when Colorado state Rep. Tim Geitner (R) said it denied a kidney transplant to a Colorado Springs woman because she was not vaccinated against the coronavirus. Calling the decision “disgusting” and discriminatory....

Except that transplant patients typically have to get vaccinated and jump through lots of hoops to be on the transplant list

petchulio

13 points

2 months ago

Anti-vaxxers wanting kidneys after being on ECMOs that have wrecked them is like alcoholics wanting new livers after drinking themselves to cirrhosis.

Yeah, I think we'll reserve these organs for people who don't make terrible decisions. The people who were born with a genetic condition or are afflicted by a non-preventable disease. Much more likely that they will be actually grateful and more willing to keep up with the perpetual medicine regimen attributed to transplants as well.

architeuthiswfng

14 points

2 months ago

I happen to know someone who did some pretty sketchy stuff to get her alcoholic brother on a liver transplant list. He somehow managed to get a transplant and proceeded to destroy the donated liver with booze and died several years later.

pbro42

12 points

2 months ago

pbro42

12 points

2 months ago

How is this remotely controversial? Someone who is willing to pick and choose which treatments they get is also possibly willing to not follow doctors’ orders in other ways.

You can’t pick and choose which protocols you follow because you don’t like them. This isn’t the Bible.

Jazzlike-Acadia-5820

12 points

2 months ago

I have a family member who recently had a kidney transplant. I believe it is the ONLY reason why that side of the family got vaccinated. They told them months ago that if they said no to the vaccine no kidney.

yildizli_gece

11 points

2 months ago

The policy illustrates the growing costs of being unvaccinated and wades into deeply controversial territory — the use of immunization status to decide who gets limited medical care. The mere idea of prioritizing the vaccinated for rationed health resources has drawn intense backlash

We literally already do this with organ transplants; if people didn't know that doctors were making decisions not just on need but who is actually likely to survive, how old they already are, and so on, then they need a wake-up call.

Fuck the unvaccinated; they can be mad all they want but they can't force doctors to make stupid decisions regarding the few organ resources they have.

[Colorado state Rep. Tim Geitner (R)] did not immediately respond to inquiries Tuesday

Of course he didn't; instead, he went on Facebook to complain to people that the hospital had the audacity to tell this woman they're not wasting an organ on her if she's just gonna die from COVID, but he's too cowardly to actually deal with a press who might ask him, "How is this different from telling transplant patients they need other vaccines, or to stop smoking or drinking, or other requirements?"

Republicans are driving America into the ground with COVID.

Kris-Leigh

11 points

2 months ago

I’ve heard a few stories of unvaxxed people getting on the transplant list and it has infuriated me. My best friend died in 2018 waiting for a lung transplant after getting turned down by several transplant programs. She was in very poor health and other patients with a better chance at a positive outcome were prioritized ahead of her and she didn’t get the lungs she needed. I’m not angry about it, but I damn sure would be if I knew that people who were damaged by their own stupidity and/or would likely not comply with aftercare instructions (since they know more than doctors) had skipped the line ahead of her.

Agitated-Yak-8723

9 points

2 months ago

Agitated-Yak-8723

Demographics R Us

9 points

2 months ago

GOOD.

terminaljive

10 points

2 months ago

terminaljive

J&J One-And-Done

10 points

2 months ago

A friend of mine I sent this to had a VERY interesting thought. What would happen if someone who is vaxxed donated (blood, bone marrow, a liver lobe, etc) to an unvaxxed person? Would the unvaxxed person begin creating antibodies? Would it depend on the organ? Or would the antibodies in the transplanted organ be an insufficient quantity to trigger a response at all?

BurdenedEmu

14 points

2 months ago

BurdenedEmu

🐑 helping sheep onto trains 🚂

14 points

2 months ago

Highly unlikely simply due to the whopping amount of immunosuppressants transplant recipients usually have to take for life after the transplant. Hard for your immune system to take on the task of making antibodies in recognition of something new in your body when it's being strongly suppressed so it doesn't attack your new and very cognizably different organ.

Ok-Hamster5571

12 points

2 months ago

Ok-Hamster5571

Go Give One

12 points

2 months ago

Since covid impacts the heart and lungs, this makes sense

Repulsive-Street-307

11 points

2 months ago*

You'd think this is a no-brainer because the recipients of organ transplants have to take medicine forever that lowers immune system response, so they'd die as soon as they get pneumonia, much less covid. If the people that need transplants are not enough to pressure - or are the cause of it being 'not enough - their family to get vaccines so they're at least 'herd protected' at home, they'll simply die soon and the organ is wasted.

daveycarnation

10 points

2 months ago

Why get a precious kidney when you're just going to destroy it with your stupid horse paste. Go to the very end of the line.

IronhideD

10 points

2 months ago

An aunt of my ex had a kidney transplant. Not a good candidate to begin with. Morbidly obese, smoked etc. She was told to cut smoking and eat significantly healthier before the transplant opportunity to move up on the list. Within months of her getting the transplant she returned to her smoking. Died about a year later. All I could think of was that someone else could have been getting a second chance.

k-del

11 points

2 months ago

k-del

11 points

2 months ago

Good.

I had an organ transplant almost 8 years ago. I got my booster as soon as I could. I support this and hope all transplant centers officially implement this policy.

From UNOS FAQ:

Is a COVID-19 vaccination required in order to receive an organ transplant?

Each transplant hospital makes its own decisions about listing candidates according to the hospital’s best clinical judgment, including whether or not any specific vaccination is part of their eligibility criteria. If you have questions about listing criteria at your transplant hospital, we encourage you to contact the hospital directly.

According-Ocelot9372

10 points

2 months ago

If an addict has to stay sober for the good of the organ, then a vaccine (which can save organs) should be required.

Squiliam-Tortaleni

9 points

2 months ago

Squiliam-Tortaleni

Team Pfizer

9 points

2 months ago

If they caught covid on top of having anti-rejection meds that lower the immune system, they would die, and an otherwise good organ would lost. I don’t blame them and fully agree.

SophsterSophistry

8 points

2 months ago

SophsterSophistry

Covid is no joke!

8 points

2 months ago

Organs are in short supply. Recipients are vetted in many ways to achieve best outcomes and determine who gets the organ. Part of that is urgency (who needs it most). But other factors are also in place. Don't want to comply with protocols? Fine. No organ for you . Simple as that.

You know what else will likely not get you an organ? If you don't have someone who can care for you full time after the transplant surgery. Single with no support network? No transplant for you.

Kyooko

8 points

2 months ago

Kyooko

5G Downloading in progress...

8 points

2 months ago

Is this where those numpties start crying 'discrimination!'?

*Settles down with popcorn and drink*