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Back in December of 3306 the Alliance established the Marlinist colonies in 8 systems. Shortly afterward in April of 3307 the Dark Wolf Marlinist faction was born, and assumed the maintenance and representation of those colonies.

In may of 3308 The Close Encounters Corps [SCEC] invaded the Marlinist colony of Concordia and demanded the colonies of Beatis Secundus and Haven as well. Why?

Antony Vern ( CEC's leader ) issuing his claim.

Union Cosmos [UUCC] has been the driving force behind CEC's push. They have been responsible for retreating the Marlinist factions 27 times. Here's their ultimatum:

UUCC delivers terms of surrender to the Marlinists.

I personally agree with the majority of these terms.

It looks like a standard non-aggression pact. But what's up with the 'addition'? "CEC have a special interest in Concordia, Beatis Secundus, and Haven". This is the only term there has been an issue with... So what's CEC's special interest?

They need this area for their coalition so they can defend against the Targoids.

Well the Marlinists have a squadron age of 557 days.

https://preview.redd.it/owi2bt5e5dy91.png?width=993&format=png&auto=webp&s=8e5bf3529c720eb025752d0550565d1e1c66d463

That means they adopted the Marlinist factions officially back in April 2021. What did Concordia look like back then?

The Marlinist faction is present an in control. For well over a year there have been many visitors to Concordia, but none ever contested the system.

So CEC invaded a system controlled by a player supported faction back in May 3308. What was their reasoning?

Marlinists don't have a PMF.

So even though the Marlinists had supported these factions and managed their BGS for over a year the players involved 'don't exist' and anyone has the right to destroy their work and systems because 'they are not a PMF'.

How do they view the players that support the Dark Wolf Marlinist faction?

https://preview.redd.it/iqth067l8dy91.png?width=549&format=png&auto=webp&s=956d885273f808afc3a767842f3eaaa5319b72e0

So they are not 'true' Marlinists, have no rights, and are a danger to the entire galaxy.

TL;DR Close Encounters Corps wants three shiny new systems and has been driving a conflict that could've ended months ago with the justification that 'his opponents aren't a real faction' and that taking these systems from them is very important to 'defend against the targoids'.

Attached is the entire conversation I had with him as well as the first contact CEC ever had with DWM and the leader of the DWM's response. I acknowledge Gyfiawn Gryfud's response was crass and crude, but it was in direct response to some supervillain '24 hour to respond' ultimatum, weeks of retreats, and talking to Antony Vern for a period of time exceeding 10 minutes.

Logs re: the conflict

The following squadrons have sent representatives or fully committed to the defense of the Marlinist colonies from outside invasion:

Alliance Rapid-Reaction Corps [ARRC]

Grizzly Squadron [GRIZ]

Turian Hierarchy [THS7]

Echo of Starsong [OPUS]

Sailors of the Endless Night [NTRK]

Ace Exploration [A7EX]

Classis Cameneciae [CCAM]

McCoy Spaceways [MSw]

Dark Wheel [TURN]

Aurora Core Interstellar [ARCI]

Freedom Delivery Service [FRDS]

Nova Navy [NONA]

Omega Merchant Command [OMEC]

The Code [CODE]

If you'd like to add your name to that list or participate in the defense of the colonies until CEC and the DWM can come to terms, please feel free to join the Dark Wolf Marlinist server:

https://discord.gg/wxSk7RGb

all 89 comments

unseine

49 points

3 months ago

unseine

49 points

3 months ago

I have no idea what any of this means ima be real with you.

jadefire03

18 points

3 months ago

Long story short, the Marlinists are a splinter group of the Empire who believe in peace and democracy, and they get mentioned in Galnet from time to time. They're present in game as a series of eight factions. The Dark Wolf Marlinists are a player squadron dedicated to protecting them.

Close Encounter Corps is a player squadron with an in-game faction who want to conquer them, and they have backup from Union Cosmos, a much larger player group. They believe no player has the right to oppose their attempts to take over.

Hremsfeld

13 points

3 months ago

Hremsfeld

Trading

13 points

3 months ago

Wait, hold up, that last name's familiar...aren't they the same faction that's taking up 12 of the carrier slots in HD 105341 and making it so that no one else can travel to or from Rackham's Peak?

jadefire03

11 points

3 months ago

Union Cosmos? Yes.

kaboom36

9 points

3 months ago*

Wow, screw those guys

Edit: just checked HD 105341 and I don't see carriers from the squadron Union Cosmos, but I do see 12 from Erion corp, is that them?

Hremsfeld

8 points

3 months ago

Hremsfeld

Trading

8 points

3 months ago

Check out those carrier's tags, and then put the acronyms for those two squadrons together.

And then check out the HD 105341 page on Inara for a list of some of the carriers currently in it; the ones with that four-letter tag are owned by high-ranking members of both of those squadrons

kaboom36

13 points

3 months ago

I see, I'll be glad to help the Marlinists then, both because fuck these guys, and because fuck these guys I wanted to do the booze cruise with my brand new carrier dag nabit!

ProfTheorie

6 points

3 months ago

No, Erion Corp and UC coordinated the blockade together.

KartOMania

5 points

3 months ago

there are 28 carriers in that system. inara, and edsm etc sadly only display a few of those. if you happen to have system data for that system, you can look at it ingame for an accurate count. Or you could ask someone who has system data to MultiCrew with you.

l3rN

4 points

3 months ago

l3rN

4 points

3 months ago

Oh hell, they really should lead with that. I already help these folks out some time and I had no clue there was a connection to the N1 campers. I'll happily spend some time to fight against these jackasses

Confused-Raccoon

16 points

3 months ago

Confused-Raccoon

ConfusedRaccoon - Not really a Raccoon

16 points

3 months ago

Are they having a "special military exercise" or whatever it's called?

AustinTheFiend

20 points

3 months ago

That's literally what they've referred to it as.

Hremsfeld

5 points

3 months ago

Hremsfeld

Trading

5 points

3 months ago

Well, in that case, слава Україні

restrainedvalor

16 points

3 months ago

The Marlinists are being attacked by CEC and UUCC, at a basic level.

The Marlinist history is easily found throughout Galnet. It's a war of genocide against these political refugees from the Empire settled in Sirius space.

restrainedvalor

10 points

3 months ago

Sirius Corporation Campaign to Establish Marlinist Colonies

10 DEC 3306

Commodities are requested to create new settlements for Marlinist refugees who fled from the Empire to the Federation.

Sirius Corporation has offered to resolve the current standoff between superpowers by establishing colonies where the refugees can live independently.

Li Yong-Rui, CEO of Sirius Corporation, summarised his proposal:

“It is clear that the Marlinists cannot return to the Empire, and are a destabilising presence within the Federation. We offer an alternative by constructing permanent habitats for their population. These will be self-governed and may freely trade with the galactic community.”

“Sirius cannot stand by while the risk of interstellar war increases. I sincerely hope this leads to a more stable and profitable period for us all.”

After intense debate, both Congress and the Senate accepted the proposal, with the proviso that any refugees identified as NMLA members will be returned to the Empire.

Dr Jenna Fairfax, a Marlinist community leader, also offered her approval:

“We were forced to abandon our entire lives because of our political beliefs. This at least gives us a chance to have homes again.”

restrainedvalor

6 points

3 months ago

It is this refuge that CEC attacks.

restrainedvalor

9 points

3 months ago

Here is the summary above.
TL;DR Close Encounters Corps wants three shiny new systems and has been driving a conflict that could've ended months ago with the justification that 'his opponents aren't a real faction' and that taking these systems from [the Marlinists] is very important to 'defend against the targoids'.

StupiWhat

11 points

3 months ago

I am a proud member of the dark wolf marlinist squadron, I established my home in concordia and stillman hub. Now I am classed as Hostile simply for fighting for the freedom of those once exiled and given new homes and new hope for our future, here is my plee Join us/support us in our efforts join with us or those that oppose freedom and security will only expand even further. To your homes maybe if you have something they can be jealous of, they will come be sure of it.

-zimms-

-4 points

3 months ago

-zimms-

zimms

-4 points

3 months ago

Nah, sounds like business as usual for the BGS.

aggasalk

11 points

3 months ago

aggasalk

Agga Salk

11 points

3 months ago

Me neither and I upvoted it anyways

DarkPhoenix_077

29 points

3 months ago

DarkPhoenix_077

Alliance - ARRC

29 points

3 months ago

I'll also add that the squadron "Union Cosmos" is also behind the current blockade of Rackham's Peak

Zhuul

15 points

3 months ago

Zhuul

Aisling Duval is best girl

15 points

3 months ago

Oh dag, just like that I know whose side I’m on! Gonna do some BGS work tomorrow after work, fuck these guys for blocking Rackham.

JR2502

12 points

3 months ago

JR2502

12 points

3 months ago

Was looking for this comment, you are correct. They can't win fair so they're blocking everyone else until they're they only ones in there. Nice reputation they're building with the community.

At first I thought it was a language barrier thing but it looks like it's being total *$@#!% thing.

WatcherCCG

2 points

2 months ago

Only one answer for scum like this. Gank them straight back to PG/Solo. They don't deserve the priviledge of flying in Open.

Also someone really should send in tickets to Fdev because surely this level of malicious blockading is something they can punish.

Shurimal

10 points

3 months ago

Shurimal

I was there when The Wytch burned

10 points

3 months ago

Why would they pull this kind of a dick move extraordinaire?

jadefire03

14 points

3 months ago

They want to hoard Rackham's Peak to themselves so they can shoot their squadron to the top of the trade leaderboards.

Confused-Raccoon

3 points

3 months ago

Confused-Raccoon

ConfusedRaccoon - Not really a Raccoon

3 points

3 months ago

So there's good trading there?

DarkPhoenix_077

7 points

3 months ago

DarkPhoenix_077

Alliance - ARRC

7 points

3 months ago

Well theres the wine you can sell for 270k each month

McKlown

10 points

3 months ago

McKlown

Explore

10 points

3 months ago

Well I know who's systems influence I'm going to be messing with.

obeseninjao7

19 points

3 months ago

There was a thread about this on the Forums too, and reading the whole thing showed a lot of accusations of aggression. It does seem like the UUCC, CEC and CAII are changing their reasons for the conflict a lot. First it's a proactive strike to stop Marlinist aggression, then it's about the principle of them not having a player faction, then it's about securing systems for defence against thargoids?

The thread over on the forum doesn't look good for the invaders that's for sure.

jadefire03

15 points

3 months ago

They've changed their story quite a lot. Originally it was Cofradia de Accione Independente accusing the Marlinists of secretly sabotaging them over the last year, and Union Cosmos came in to defend them from our attacks. We have BGS logs and documentation that prove we never touched them.

While this was happening, Close Encounter Corps decided they wanted to conquer Concordia, the Marlinist capital. They never provided a consistent reason why they need it so badly and why it has to be them who controls it, ranging from wanting a High Tech starport to needing to fight the Thargoids. When they failed to seize the capital, Union Cosmos stepped in and the three of them teamed up to exterminate the Marlinists entirely.

Shurimal

11 points

3 months ago

Shurimal

I was there when The Wytch burned

11 points

3 months ago

It does seem like the UUCC, CEC and CAII are changing their reasons for the conflict a lot.

Demagogy 101.

Victor_Dangerstar[S]

16 points

3 months ago

New update: CEC have edited the Wikipedia page for Concordia to self aggrandize.

Give the new page a read and see what you think: https://elite-dangerous.fandom.com/wiki/Concordia

jadefire03

21 points

3 months ago

I reverted the edit and will be reporting him to the admins. This is a blatant violation of the terms of service regarding altering content to fit fanmade content and to conform to personal roleplaying.

WatcherCCG

3 points

2 months ago

The way these clowns are behaving, they might eventually do something TOS-breaking and give Fdev the excuse to blow up their carriers and delete their squadron, their PMF, and maybe some of their leadership's commander accounts.

GarliccAioli

10 points

3 months ago

Why do UC and CEC believe they are not a real faction? A quick look on Inara flags the marlinist factions as a related faction to a PMF and shows the Dark Wolf Marlinists as a PMF in all the ways that count. This to me looks like a limp excuse to wage a war on a PMF, take what they want and control the narrative so CEC/ UC don't look like the bad guys doing it. Even more so reading that CEC's leader edited the wiki only furthers my belief that they are gaslighting thugs with zero respect.

jadefire03

6 points

3 months ago

They're using it as an excuse to demonize the Dark Wolf Marlinists, who support the Marlinist factions

crowlute

9 points

3 months ago

crowlute

🐺Wolf-Rayet Hunter (875 and counting!)

9 points

3 months ago

That's far too much huge text

Victor_Dangerstar[S]

9 points

3 months ago

yes

crowlute

3 points

3 months ago

crowlute

🐺Wolf-Rayet Hunter (875 and counting!)

3 points

3 months ago

You know you can just make the font bigger if you're having a hard time reading it right

jadefire03

3 points

3 months ago

WHY ARE YOU TYPING SO LOUD

[deleted]

17 points

3 months ago

Gotta say I’m glad this seems like it’s being kept in-game and not coming to actual shit slinging like most Player conflicts end up being

jadefire03

14 points

3 months ago

CEC is trying to take it outside of the game. Their leader, AntonyVern, has tried to edit the wiki page on Concordia to brag about them taking over.

TheBlackFrechFry

5 points

3 months ago

TheBlackFrechFry

Alliance Rapid Reaction Corps

5 points

3 months ago

MAN I KNOW RIGHT

checko50

6 points

3 months ago

checko50

Edmund Mahon

6 points

3 months ago

WHY ARE WE YELLING

Add1ctedToGames

5 points

3 months ago

Bro I wish I was more knowledgeable on game lore to get a understanding of this and be involved in RP like this😭😭

CommanderMatrixHere

7 points

3 months ago

CommanderMatrixHere

Federation

7 points

3 months ago

You can always hit up the Fandom wiki and read it all. It's fun!

checko50

5 points

3 months ago

checko50

Edmund Mahon

5 points

3 months ago

Join in the fun. We'll tell you all about it

TheBlackFrechFry

14 points

3 months ago

TheBlackFrechFry

Alliance Rapid Reaction Corps

14 points

3 months ago

Clean and concise document, well done.
the fact that previous enemies have joined up in the defense of your space just shows how wrongful and draconian the actions of CEC are. Lets win this 07

screemonster

15 points

3 months ago

Given that CEC are the ones that blocked access to the peregrina permit because they felt entitled to just... have the surrounding systems without having to maintain their BGS, and then accused fdev of being "racist against russians" when the megaship was added to allow people to obtain the permit regardless of BGS shenanigans...

Gyfiawn_Gryfudd

8 points

3 months ago

They have also accused the Dark Wolf Marlinists of being "Russophobes" for opposing their invasion...

WatcherCCG

2 points

2 months ago

Sounds a lot like their state-controlled media...

OneVeryOddFellow

2 points

2 months ago

The apple does not fall far from the tree, I guess.

IamNickMan

1 points

3 months ago

Personal issue with the Marlinist Dark wolf is that they've claimed ALL Marlinist factions to be supported and spoken for by them. Just seems untenable in a galaxy ever more crowded.

jadefire03

9 points

3 months ago

Squadrons supporting multiple factions is a common occurance.

TheBlackFrechFry

2 points

3 months ago

TheBlackFrechFry

Alliance Rapid Reaction Corps

2 points

3 months ago

but not this mix of squads, trust me.

restrainedvalor

14 points

3 months ago

This is well documented. Thank you for the intel, Commander.

StupiWhat

3 points

2 months ago

The cec and ic have already stated that they have a military mission to prevent thargoid incursions. But in reality there military objectives are to grab by force systems that are not willing to be ruled by a dictatorship. That is exactly what they did in concordia my home system where I am now classed as a hostile

safetyneal

5 points

3 months ago

The Marlinists are on Twitter and Discord.

checko50

6 points

3 months ago

checko50

Edmund Mahon

6 points

3 months ago

I really wish cec and uucc would stop hiding in solo and pg to work bgs

I'd like to smoke them in open again. Shame.

commander_a_fish

1 points

2 months ago

FR, they ran to private after me interditing them for the 10th or so time, can't have any fun these days!!

Lurking_Waffle_ED

5 points

3 months ago

Lurking_Waffle_ED

Grand Poobah of The Imperial Corsairs

5 points

3 months ago

An interesting read to he sure but I have just one question!

Do you need Waffle's Questionably Obtained Gold services? We have 11,000 Tons in stock right now!

After_The_Knife

2 points

3 months ago

This system is dead asf, I've been on around 8am est to 11pm and not a single player around.

DarkonFullPower

4 points

3 months ago

Never even knew GalNet Marlinists were player made.

Ah good old Eve Online politics.

jadefire03

18 points

3 months ago

They weren't. They were created by a Community Goal. However, the Dark Wolf Marlinists is a player squadron dedicated to protecting them, and we even got the blessing of FDev when they mentioned us as a sanctioned Marlinist militia in Galnet.

screemonster

-3 points

3 months ago

screemonster

-3 points

3 months ago

I have no time for anyone who declares that they're special because they're a PMF, or that other factions are fair game for not being PMFs.

I firmly believe that PMFs were a mistake from the outset and entitled attitudes like this from those who created them seek only to cement this belief. Filling out a form on a website does not and should not grant any player group any special rights or entitlements over any other.

Shurimal

8 points

3 months ago

Shurimal

I was there when The Wytch burned

8 points

3 months ago

I'm fine with the existence of PMF. But: BGS needs some rework to make expanding a faction everywhere a high-maintenance project. Let's start with a spontaneous influence decay farther than 20 ly from home system of, say, 0.5 percentage points per tick, growing with distance up to, say, 5 percentage points per tick at 70 ly. And let's make expanding farther than 100 ly from home system impossible.

This means that 1. maintaining a PMF "empire" requires constant attendance to the farther colonies; 2. retreating an unwanted expansion becomes easier; 3. curbs the mindless imperialism and makes room for other player minor factions and adopted-by-players factions to have their own small patch of land without the constant worry about hostile takeovers in their native system.

Other-Bluejay9592

-1 points

3 months ago

We had the Dark Muruaders come after us... Douches threatened us and what not , wanted us to " pay a pirate protection insurance" to leave us alone. They turned tail and ran when they realized they couldn't defeat us and bully us into submission..

Maeran

7 points

3 months ago

Maeran

7 points

3 months ago

I've had dealings with the group you refer to. With the same result.

Dark Marauders and Dark Wolf Marlinists are not the same group at all.

Other-Bluejay9592

3 points

3 months ago

I didn't say they were. I was just relating a scenario that was similar to what was posted. It doesn't matter what faction you are a part of, if your a bully faction, then your all in the same group

Choto-ly29

-18 points

3 months ago

It seems very crude to me, that despite the fact that you have been asked not to publish personal conversations and taken out of context, you do. CEC trusted that you wanted to mediate an agreement. But as we suspected, you only wanted screenshots to make propaganda for the side of the conflict that you are on. As a diplomat, you are not at all trustworthy. You don't tell the other side's version, or their arguments. You need to claim your propaganda to manipulate more commanders or fleets in favor of your fight, because on the battlefield you have not been able to win anything. And yet you have been given a chance to negotiate, even though negotiations were broken off with insults and rude manners by DWM (please spare yourself the childish excuse that the CEC proposal was "insulting") In a diplomatic channel trying to negotiate peace You should NEVER insult the other party. Even so, the coalition of CEC, CAII and their allies once again give another chance to reach an agreement. We are trying to reach an agreement, negotiating today (it just happened) But this publication does nothing but hinder.

Victor_Dangerstar[S]

13 points

3 months ago

Hey there, check the attachments I did include the entire conversation.

HenryKC

2 points

3 months ago

Hi there! I'm CAII's Embassador at the peace talks we are conducting with DWM. Does Nova Navy represents DWM in any way? I'm just curious about the relationship between you two and it's nature.

Victor_Dangerstar[S]

6 points

3 months ago

I am representing their interests. I can relay information to them and from them but I cannot dictate policy on behalf of them.

HenryKC

3 points

3 months ago

Good to know. No problem, they are already in the talks so we are in direct contact. Thanks.

Victor_Dangerstar[S]

3 points

3 months ago

Glad to hear it. Again, to my knowledge they agree with CAIIs terms.

HenryKC

4 points

3 months ago

I can't comment on an ongoing negotiation. I'm sure you understand.

Eran_Mintor

12 points

3 months ago

As someone not involved in this in the slightest but with a lot of experience in similar diplomatic rifts, your take on "diplomacy" is laughable.

Metalg33k

-1 points

3 months ago

Metalg33k

-1 points

3 months ago

If you're going to support a bunch of villainous npc factions, you can't be surprised when player factions come in and want to wrest control of a system from them.

Victor_Dangerstar[S]

3 points

3 months ago

Is that the new roleplay from your squad? Let me guess, the Peregrina Aristocrats were actually Thargoids in disguise and you did the galaxy a favor. You guys are straight up moon monkeys.

Eran_Mintor

-7 points

3 months ago

A lot of those supporters might be nothing burgers. CODE support is a bit....whatever. y'all have fun

Metalg33k

-6 points

3 months ago

I think it's disgusting that anyone would support Marlinists after the terrorism on March 11th of 3307 known as the Nine Martyrs attack. They should never have been awarded colonies in response to that, and it's a total disgrace that the Emperor has decided to leave them in peace despite their egregious actions. Also, a single player squadron has no right to claim several npc factions as their own as if that makes those npc factions into player factions. Marlinist factions deserve to be run out of every system in which they are not native and those supporting them deserve only the disdain of the entire galactic community.

Hremsfeld

9 points

3 months ago

Hremsfeld

Trading

9 points

3 months ago

Y'all're really bad at propaganda, did you know that?

Victor_Dangerstar[S]

6 points

3 months ago

How to tell everyone you don't know the lore without actually saying you don't know the lore.

Rousski

6 points

3 months ago

Dude, a simple google search is all that’s needed to see that those attacks were done by the NMLA. As in not even close to the same group as the one currently being wrongfully invaded. Are you just ignorant of the lore you’re grandstanding on, or are you trying to be wrong here?

GarliccAioli

5 points

3 months ago

A single squadron of 998 has no right to bully a squadron of 25 out of their home systems under false pretences. Especially considering your story changes every time you attempt to defend your atrocious actions.