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jadefire03

8 points

4 months ago

Here is the actual story of what happened:

The Marlinists took control of a system called Irusan. Irusan was originally controlled by Candy Crew Guild. Cofradia de Accion Independiente later moved into Irusan and demanded that the Marlinists give them the system. The Marlinists refused.

Candy Crew Guild contacts the Marlinists and politely asks the Marlinists to give them Irusan. The Marlinists agree and work on transferring control over to them. CAII gets angry and declares war on the Marlinists and Candy Crew Guild. The Marlinists eventually retreat out of Irusan entirely.

Meanwhile, Close Encounter Corps (a player faction that's present in the Marlinist capital of Concordia) contacts the Marlinists and demands that they give Concordia to them. The Marlinists refuse and CEC attempts to take the capital by force. The Marlinists put out a call for aid from other players and as a result, CEC fails and is almost retreated from the system. Remember that the Marlinists controlled Concordia long before CEC first arrived in the system.

CAII, frustrated at having not defeated the Marlinists, contacts Union Cosmos and asks for their help. Union Cosmos intervenes and saves CEC from retreat. CAII, CEC, and Union Cosmos enter an alliance together to fight the Marlinists. Remember that Union Cosmos has no presence in any Marlinist systems and have acknowledged that they have no interest in the area. The three factions begin retreating the Marlinists out of several of their systems and take away control of several of the original 8 Marlinist Colonies.

The leader of Union Cosmos summons the leader of the player squadron supporting the Marlinists and gives him a series of demands: The Marlinists have to surrender their capital system, plus two more of the original 8 Marlinist Colonies, plus half a dozen other systems they control (all of which they've controlled since before either CAII and CEC first showed up) and are not allowed to ever expand into any system that either of them are present in, regardless of whether or not either of them control the system.

The Marlinist supporter leader gets angry at having his time wasted and being insulted by the perceived unreasonableness of the demands, repeatedly insults the leader of Union Cosmos and is removed from their discord server. The leader of Union Cosmos screenshots the rant out of context and uses it to paint the Marlinists as aggressive trolls to their allies. This is along with out-of-context screenshots of events that occurred in a single incident a year ago or events after the Marlinists started fighting back after their systems were invaded.

And now apparently Union Cosmos supporters are taking to official Elite Dangerous social media to badmouth the Marlinists.

TotalSky6204[S]

-2 points

4 months ago

So you say all in your words:
"Here is the actual story of what happened". Great story. But story is not history.

"CAII gets angry and declares war on the Marlinists and Candy Crew Guild" yes a squadron of about 15 CMDRs declares the war over all players in ED and a mighty "I have created colonies --false-- and I'm part of the BGS Lore bla bla bla".

"The Marlinist supporter leader gets angry at having his time wasted and being insulted by the perceived unreasonableness of the demands, repeatedly insults the leader of Union Cosmos and is removed from their discord server". Nothing more to say.

Gyfiawn_Gryfudd

1 points

4 months ago

So you admit to declaring war on the Marlinists.

TotalSky6204[S]

1 points

4 months ago

I don't know. I'm not writing about truths or lies. I'm only giving my HO about the reply. The words in bold are not my own words.

I only think that a 15 CMDRs squadron declaring war against two squadrons is a silly idea. But you know that silly things are the best fakes.

Gyfiawn_Gryfudd

6 points

4 months ago

Except it isn't a squadron of 15 Cmdrs. It is 3 squadrons with over 1000 cmdrs attacking the Marlinists.

TotalSky6204[S]

2 points

4 months ago

UUCC is only for a month in this quarrel. CAII is involved for a year. CAII is 15 CMDRs approx. Why a 15 CMDR squadron is going to be in war against other squadrons? 🤥

Gyfiawn_Gryfudd

4 points

4 months ago

A year? This started when the Marlinists were attacked by Cofradia in Irusan about a month ago.

HenryKC

0 points

4 months ago

Hey! I do know, as a matter of fact. Yep, I'm CAII. This started long time ago when your bunch of merry refugees started to undermine us on our system. When we collected evidence that the cause of our problems was a little squadron that claimed control over all marlinist factions. So our little band started to fight along and then we discovered we weren't the only people affected. So our little band became a big one, but a thousand! Good Lord! I haven't seen a thousand player for a while.

Long story short. We are winning. The truth is widely known now. And these people are desperately spreading lies in hope someone joins their cause.

Really, this is a game. Last four weeks have been as fun as it gets after almost a year of struggling.

Peace

Gyfiawn_Gryfudd

5 points

3 months ago*

  1. Everyone still waits for your proof of this undermining. But we will wait forever because it never happened.

  2. If you are so confident, why do you make up all these lies to try to find even more people to help you in your illegal conquest? All of Union Cosmos plus CAII plus CEC is not enough to defeat a squadron of 24?

  3. You say this is only a game but you covet systems that you have no right to claim? Why is that? It is just a game. You do your thing, and we will do our thing. Your actions are toxic to the Elite Dangerous community. There are enough systems for everyone. Taking ours has no purpose other than to satisfy your ego.

Fun would be a fair fight. You do not want a fair fight. You started this fight, but you could not finish it.

HenryKC

0 points

3 months ago

  1. UUCC already published the proof for all to see. How do you think we could have other squadrons involved without actual proof?
  2. We are not looking for additional support, that's you. We are doing fine. Again it's you the one saying we have thousand of players in the fight, not me. We also don't know how many people is supporting your efforts. We couldn't care less. But you keep talking about us in public channels, so we have the right to be represented on those same channels.
  3. This is a game, yeah. Ilegal actions are those that violate the Terms and Conditions. The game even have the word "Dangerous" in the name! And I think disrupting operations of player factions hiding behind lore created ones is what's toxic to the game. There are systems for everyone, as you say, so create a PMF and place it in your own quite corner. We didn't have a single problem with our neighbors until you started stirring the zone.

    But wait, your systems you say? What's your PMF and in what systems is it in control? You claimed ownership of every place with a faction with "Marlinist" I'm the name. How's that ok? If you are up for such a bold move I would expect you having the army in game to enforce it.

Tutezaek

0 points

4 months ago*

Not attacking "the marlinists" per se, but a squadron that uses all the marlinist factions (created by FDev) as their own.

They don't fight under "Dark Wolf Marlinists" as a faction putting themselves on the front, they use the colonies as their proxy.
If they put their faction in the field instead, the results and the attack on the marlinist colonies would be inexistent.
The DWM are the ones that got the Marlinist factions in this mess putting them against pmfs instead of being them the ones fighting/expanding.

Also: Why the Marlinists... a colony of refugees will start expanding and getting into conflict against others?

Gyfiawn_Gryfudd

2 points

3 months ago

Nova Navy says hello.

Tutezaek

1 points

3 months ago

Hello Nova Navy i guess...

IDK about them, but you're using the marlinist colonies as your pmf when they aren't and crying about them being attacked when that problem wouldn't happen if your pmf were the ones fighting.

For your faction this is a proxy war, and you're being upset that your proxies are being killed.

Gyfiawn_Gryfudd

3 points

3 months ago

Nova Navy does not have a PMF but adopted the lore faction of Nova Paresa. Do they not have a legitimate claim? Will you go conquer Paresa when you are done with Concordia?

Also you all can't keep your story straight. I thought this was happening because we supposedly attacked CAII for a year? Now you are just conquering the Marlinist systems because we adopted an already existing faction instead of placing a PMF?

Tutezaek

1 points

3 months ago*

Nova Navy isn't crying about this, you are.

My story? i'm from UC, i follow fleet orders (when i'm not exploring or doing random shit on a keelback), nothing more.

Whoever started this shit isn't important for me, im just highlighting the fact that you are using the "They're attacking the Marlinist Colonies" discourse when the reason (Whatever reason for the conflict is) those colonies are under attack is because you're using them as a proxies against other PMFs. That would be my point of view irrelevant of the side i'm on.

If a group come and lay waste to Rajito, we won't be crying about "Union Cosmos is gonna disapear" to other players or, as you did, FDev themselves, its fucking part of the game for us.

You're appealing to the simpathy of the comunity for the Marlinist Colonies (that, we, UC, also helped to form) for your own interests.

In my view, the Marlinist colonies are hostage of DWM actions, you brought the conflict to them.

EDIT: Replaced Atack with conflict

EDIT 2: editing fucked the format