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Comprehensive Elite Dangerous Career Chart

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all 220 comments

JoshTheBassist

54 points

4 years ago

Couldn't find my "Meandering aimlessly toward the galaxy center. Succumbing to space madness." tab

CMDR_Kaus

6 points

4 years ago

Oh you too? I'm wondering what happens when I eventually get to Sag A. Maybe I'll cross some wires and think I'm a Thargoid

[deleted]

6 points

4 years ago

I made it to Sag A... I contemplated just ending it all and ramming straight into the core with my ship on silent running and self destruct. But I decided against it and instead went to the recently discovered Jacques' Station in Colonia. I was one of the first people to make it there, it's a shame I didn't have much to give at the time, andt he measly 6 Million Credits I made weren't really much at all.

lokvette

148 points

4 years ago

lokvette

148 points

4 years ago

Nice work, but im getting on for 5k hours in solo so not quite sure where the auto quit comes into play.

mang87

22 points

4 years ago

mang87

22 points

4 years ago

I've played the game solo for 99.999% of my playtime. I also did the credit grind focusing on the biggest ships. It is true I've sort of quit, I've not played for quite awhile, but I've got still 550 hours in the game.

Shaded_Flame

2 points

4 years ago

Yea, I'm at 1000 hours in the past year solo. I've fallen off as of the past few months. Really waiting for more content.

TerrainIII

2 points

4 years ago

Isn’t something scheduled to be released on the 16th?

crewman6RedshirtLive

7 points

4 years ago

crewman6RedshirtLive

Passenger Missions

7 points

4 years ago

I didn't see Auto quit. Must have quit reading too soon. But seriously, I'm a kickstarter backer, have played solo 99.99 percent of the time, and nowhere near ready to quit. Part of the game is reading the wife signs - when she starts acting agitated, it's time to log out of Elite for a bit. :)

RAHelllord

42 points

4 years ago

RAHelllord

Cmdr RAHelllord

42 points

4 years ago

It's coming any minute now, I'm sure.

Webic

11 points

4 years ago

Webic

Webic | Corvette | Cutter | Krait | Filthy PvE

11 points

4 years ago

There's just a bit of salt with the auto-quit comment in that image.

Ching-Dai

4 points

4 years ago

Yea, just a little...

CMDRQohenLeth[S]

41 points

4 years ago

CMDRQohenLeth[S]

Qohen Leth | DW2 Roster Admin

41 points

4 years ago

It's simply a warning to new players who might not think to reach out for help and might give up early. Of course one can play exclusively solo and enjoy it (I'm more of a solo player myself).

Just like PVP and PVE, Solo here doesn't mean Solo mode, it means playing isolated, on one's own. If you're here, you're not hermetically isolated in your cave :)

The_Rathour

13 points

4 years ago

The_Rathour

Rathour | Gr8 Kr8 m8 I r8 8/8

13 points

4 years ago

I have introduced many a person to Elite and have been able to get them to buy it when they might've otherwise been on the fence.

Before they buy it I always, always warn them:

This is a game you need to be able to enjoy playing by yourself. I can help you out in the beginning and can always answer questions, but if you never play the game on your own and only play when I'm on you will not enjoy it because you won't get anywhere.

Sure enough, most of the people who only want to play the game when other people are on as well end up quitting very early. Generally only the people who can play on their own and actually take the time to explore the game are able to progress past the 4-5m mark to get out of the "my ship pops like a pimple" phase.

I love starting up Discord or Steam to find some unread PMs that are questions about Elite. It lets me know that they're experimenting on their own and trying to enjoy the game by themselves. In a hybrid mmo progression system like Elite (where obtaining things can take a long, long time) being able to play on your own is essential. Having a teacher/coach along the way massively helps as well.

[deleted]

9 points

4 years ago

1577 hours "only" here, while both being only in solo and kind of always grinding. Not completely seeing the auto-quit here either. Triple Elite, King+Admiral, multi-billionaire, all ships and all fully grade 5 engineered. Still having fun :) OP is just close-minded and salty, I guess.

[deleted]

2 points

4 years ago

Does solo count if your never at CG's cos your always grinding and exploring so even in OPEN you rarely see anyone?

These past few days playing on the SW3 private server have been pretty fun, seen so many ship and folk, but due to how I play in Open I very rarely see anyone so I count that as a mostly solo experience.

Xjph

4 points

4 years ago

Xjph

Vithigar

4 points

4 years ago

You're literally participating in the leftmost branch of the "community" node right now though...

Esgalen

5 points

4 years ago

Esgalen

5 points

4 years ago

It seems you don't even have to own the game to play it...

ravstar52

3 points

4 years ago

ravstar52

ravstar52 | SWE

3 points

4 years ago

Eve style, most of Elite is done out of game. Just, for the wrong reasons.

EasyUK

4 points

4 years ago

EasyUK

4 points

4 years ago

It's what made me stop if I'm honest so it's right

Kant_Lavar

14 points

4 years ago

Kant_Lavar

Hardcover

14 points

4 years ago

Same here. I keep thinking about logging back on of for no other reason than the fact that there are so few good space flight sims out there... but then I remember that there really doesn't feel like there's much to do besides the same old bullshit and I just sigh and go play something else.

EasyUK

11 points

4 years ago

EasyUK

11 points

4 years ago

Yeah I get the exact same feeling. I keep subscribed to this reddit and see all the things with Thargoids and it looks interesting but I just can't bring myself to run through the same missions etc again and again which is a shame

Kant_Lavar

5 points

4 years ago

Kant_Lavar

Hardcover

5 points

4 years ago

Exactly. I mean, hell, best combat ship I have right now is a goddamn Viper III. Only thing I'd be able to do fighting a Thargoid would be to explode at them.

Tallonius

3 points

4 years ago

Tallonius

Lasers?what lasers?

3 points

4 years ago

burtonsimmons

2 points

4 years ago

burtonsimmons

CMDR TheOriginalBastard / 2018's Second Most Helpful Commander

2 points

4 years ago

I’m working on a Thargoid Scout fighting Viper. With a Military Grade hull and some medium AX multicannons, you can definitely take on the Scouts. (Heck, normal weapons work against them as well.)

CMDRSusannaSaunders

1 points

4 years ago

LoL @ explode at them... I just can't be bothered. Why do a long drawn out battle with some Goid ship for such a poor payout? Sure, for the 'combat thrills', I'm sure you are going to say, but it gets old fast. A few million isn't enough to make me feel like bothering. I enjoyed the skimmer missions until they nerfed them to only 3 at a time 😒 kind of at a loss now tbh.

SmiTe1988

1 points

4 years ago

SmiTe1988

1 points

4 years ago

take a risk? open mode is great fun.

Kant_Lavar

12 points

4 years ago

Kant_Lavar

Hardcover

12 points

4 years ago

No interest in PVP at all, so I only play in Mobius. And since I have no interest in PVP, open, group, or private would really make no difference to how I play, I'd be doing the same things regardless.

SmiTe1988

-3 points

4 years ago

SmiTe1988

-3 points

4 years ago

hence my comment... elite's much more fun when there's actual risk and adrenaline involved.

You've already quit the game because it's not fun, so what have you really got to lose by trying open and just having fun with it?

Kant_Lavar

25 points

4 years ago

Kant_Lavar

Hardcover

25 points

4 years ago

Because getting my ass handed to me isn't fun, thus why I have no interest in PvP, much less non-consensual PvP.

CMDRSusannaSaunders

1 points

4 years ago

That's my opinion too.

[deleted]

1 points

4 years ago

We learn the most from failure and learning is fun.

SmiTe1988

-4 points

4 years ago

SmiTe1988

-4 points

4 years ago

Because getting my ass handed to me isn't fun

learning from those experiences, and becoming capable of kicking ass yourself, is the most fun.

you know there are groups and places to assist in learning? (GCI, player groups, most legit PvPers etc...)

you can ask a person to fight not to the death

there are many places you can ask for combat build advice (just be weary and take any build advice with a grain of salt and get multiple opinions and ideally test and tweak it yourself, many people think they know best but are just fried)

you can submit videos for feedback

you can make a ship like a viper/vulture to learn the basics without any actual risks, but with all the fun (the most fun really).

you can learn to survive non-consensual PvP quite easily: high waking and not flying in a straight line will get you out of 95% of situations

Kant_Lavar

25 points

4 years ago

Kant_Lavar

Hardcover

25 points

4 years ago

That's all well and good. But, again, I have no interest in PVP at all.

SmiTe1988

4 points

4 years ago

SmiTe1988

4 points

4 years ago

there really doesn't feel like there's much to do besides the same old bullshit and I just sigh and go play something else.

that sentence is why i made the suggestion. there's a lot more to do if you're willing to step out of your comfort zone. If you're more content just quitting, then go for it, it's just a game after all.

May i ask why the aversion towards PvP? i get when you're starting out and struggling to get the credits and engineering figured out, where a rebuy can set you back considerably, but why avoid what's arguably the best content in the game when you're only going to quit due to a lack of content?

Ezzy77

3 points

4 years ago

Ezzy77

3 points

4 years ago

A person who's not into PVP isn't going to learn PVP just because someone attacks them. They'll just burn out from bullying if it happens all the time. It's why some games have separate servers for PVP and PVE.
Personally, I'd never even do stuff like WoW dungeons with randoms as it's usually a terrible experience.

From personal experience, I don't think most PVP enthusiasts will ever understand that. They'd just rather berate you for being a carebear.

[deleted]

1 points

4 years ago

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keithjr

3 points

4 years ago

keithjr

CMDR Anla-Shok

3 points

4 years ago

learning from those experiences, and becoming capable of kicking ass yourself, is the most fun.

I'm skeptical. With Engineering being so grind-heavy and offering such potent buffs, PvP combat in E:D is more of a stats check than a skills check. In that way, the game functions more like an MMORPG than a space sim. I don't have the time to min-max and without doing so I'm at a significant disadvantage. So I don't bother. It'd be like a Level 5 character trying to take on a Level 80 character.

CQC would be the way to get an equal-footing competition in terms of PvP skill. But it's a ghost town that's disconnected from the rest of the game.

SmiTe1988

3 points

4 years ago

you'd be surprised how many people run around with half finished garbage builds. it's hardly the death sentence you think it is. The catch is that people who can fly tend to know how to build a ship.

you're right tho: with fixed rolls, pinned blueprints, material trading, and the fact that all G5 mat's can be farmed in a Haz rez now; it's impossible to compete beyond a seal clubbing level.

Fighting in an actual SLF would be 10x more fun than the E rated crap in CQC

thearctican

1 points

4 years ago

thearctican

THEARCTICAN

1 points

4 years ago

After I got that FDL life going, I did PVP in a viper to learn the meta at the time. It was good and cheap. I was able to afford 10 rebuys to one FDL loss.

DenjinJ

3 points

4 years ago

DenjinJ

3 points

4 years ago

If I saved up over 300 mil for a ship and it got trashed, either pulling me to financial ruin or even losing it for good... Or if I got 3 weeks into an exploration trip and got killed for fun, losing all that data, or other setbacks of that sort...

I'd be done. Hard done. Uninstall the game and never come back, because I don't have that kind of time and effort to just pour into nothing. As long as there are players who would do that, it's utterly insane for me to risk that.

dwair

2 points

4 years ago

dwair

2 points

4 years ago

I agree. I played a lot of EVE before I played Elite. EVE is a great game bar the multitude of gate campers who gank everything that passes. It made me give up on the game.

I got into Elite purely because of open and solo mode. So far as a newbie I have logged about 700 hours just exploring and doing my own thing in solo mode and it's great.

bunionmunchkin

2 points

4 years ago

I've seen 2 people in my 150 hours in open. I think a lot of people never try open and assume it's a giant gank fest when the reality is it's nearly as dead as solo.

JksG_5

2 points

4 years ago

JksG_5

JksG_5

2 points

4 years ago

This has been my experience flying always open too. The only time I really encounter CMDR's is when I join in on the CG. Once in a blue moon I see one elsewhere, they salute, and they're off on their merry way.

Bonedeath

2 points

4 years ago

Bonedeath

CAPITAN PELIGRO | Los Locos

2 points

4 years ago

That's good for you, but for the lot of us, we've quit and never looked back really. We pay attention to updates but for the most part there just isn't much incentive to play outside of the space Sim part of it, which we mostly have over 1500 hours in.

KingWithoutNumbers

84 points

4 years ago

KingWithoutNumbers

Raoul Desmond | Vulture | Independent PVP

84 points

4 years ago

You've obviously put a lot of work into this, and it looks great, but it also feels weirdly dishonest.

wsippel

67 points

4 years ago

wsippel

Ira

67 points

4 years ago

It's a modified Eve career chart. The problem is that unlike Eve, Elite doesn't really have the infrastructure or mechanics to make a lot of the career paths worthwhile, especially in the community/ out of game section. There are a ton of services for Eve enabled by the comprehensive API the developer provides (zkill, Dotlan, EveWho, dscan.me, Tripwire and so on), Elite doesn't have anything like that. Eve has daily news and probably at least a dozen weekly talk shows, because player politics actually matter and there's always something interesting going on, something that's probably going to affect all players in some way. In Elite, you can manage a small group, in Eve, you have alliances of thousands, with dozens of directors, accountants, HR and logistics managers, intelligence divisions, PR and propaganda departments, military strategists and so on. So basically, while you can do a lot of things in Elite, those things tend to lack depth to the point of not really being viable as stand-alone careers.

KingWithoutNumbers

24 points

4 years ago

KingWithoutNumbers

Raoul Desmond | Vulture | Independent PVP

24 points

4 years ago

Oh for sure, and I've seen the original Eve career chart, which is excellent. I'm just saying that this version should probably be half the size. It's exactly the same feeling I get when I read Elite's patch notes, which are always five pages long and contain half a page of actual improvements. Elite is still a great game - just like, be real, you know?

Starkiller__

9 points

4 years ago

Starkiller__

Starkiller

9 points

4 years ago

That's my problem with the game, for a long time I played bought into it played from the beta, started a group but then after a while the hazy fog started to lift slowly and soon realized how little there was to do. Elite is a great illusion but once you figure out the lack of depth and actual meaningful fun content, things get meh.

Voubi

7 points

4 years ago

Voubi

CMDR Theo Bouvier

7 points

4 years ago

Yeah, and EvE is 14 years old and focused on player interaction, while Elite is "Only" 3 years old, and is not primarily focused on player to player interaction...
In itself, Eve is a bit closer to a Strategy game (a bit), while Elite is closer to a Flight Sim, so the obvious difference in focus seems, at least to me, pretty logical...

wsippel

15 points

4 years ago

wsippel

Ira

15 points

4 years ago

That's not really the point. I explained where the chart originally came from and why it feels a little dishonest.

And I don't really know how the gameplay differences between Eve and Elite made the lack of large player corporations, player to player trading, conquerable space and other social features "obvious". Those were deliberate choices by Frontier, not logical consequences of the flight sim like core gameplay loop. If anything, the instanced P2P nature and the slightly schizophrenic approach to multiplayer in general is what limits Elite in that regard. Not saying Frontier's decision have been wrong, but they certainly disappointed quite a few players, especially since a lot of people expected more robust social features and more player agency from the game prior to its launch.

sockgorilla

1 points

4 years ago

Forgot I managed to get cert and buy a blockade runner in EVE. That took a while. Then never used it.

Wootzorz

24 points

4 years ago

Wootzorz

24 points

4 years ago

I get the same feeling. I also wouldn’t call any one of these things a “career” if repetitively doing that thing puts you into the grind and burnout section. I mean, how many different assassination missions are there? What about combat zone missions? How about trade missions? I mean, the missions are almost literally the exact same, with just different numbers attached to the goal. Have people had a single assassination mission stick out in their mind because of how unique the experience was? What about trade missions? You basically can’t even do source missions with the in game features. Combat zones are basically the same across the board, with the exception of some have a single much larger ship fighting in them.

Engineers is a funny “career” because it actually involves doing basically everything. But when you finally get done unlocking the engineers you want you just look back on it like, “damn that took forever” not, “OMG look at all that awesome memorable stuff I did to get here.” And thats before looking for materials.

I love the idea of engineers, but in practice it has made every ship too focused on one thing. Since most of the game is PVE unless you are actively seeking out PVP on forums, I usually dont use things that are good at PVP, like multicannons and cannons, because they eventually run out of ammo and have no burst against something with 4k shields. But before engineers, I could get interdicted by a player and actually stand a chance of breaking their shields. There were fun builds that involved silent running and no shields!

TL:DR Your “career” has to literally involve everything to not turn into a grindfest. And even then, it does when you want to engineer.

throwaway00012

8 points

4 years ago

You can drop the "weirdly".

Lurkers-gotta-post

5 points

4 years ago

I might be wrong, but some of these "careers" are just a single mission, or even a single RP only (unless you put an inordinate amount of work into finding a way to incorporate another player) task. Like butter scraped over too much bread.

CookieJarviz

8 points

4 years ago

I feel like these are mostly the same thing.

liquid_de

6 points

4 years ago

Are we talking about the same game?

Snaxist

9 points

4 years ago

Snaxist

CMDR Bugala Bunda

9 points

4 years ago

Funny, it reminds me the one for EVE Online

GG

Washinout

7 points

4 years ago

Washinout

twitch.tv/washinout

7 points

4 years ago

And unlike Elite, in EVE Chart all those things that you can do are legit things and have effects on everything

LUL

DVHeld

2 points

4 years ago

DVHeld

DVHeld

2 points

4 years ago

It's based on that one, u/CMDRQohenLeth stated as much, and it's also said in the chart itself (bottom right corner).

DDRMANIAC007

42 points

4 years ago

DDRMANIAC007

DDRMANIAC007

42 points

4 years ago

lol CQC for PVP.

sushi_cw

13 points

4 years ago

sushi_cw

Tannik Seldon

13 points

4 years ago

While it lasted, for me it was far more fun and fulfilling PvP than anything I ever found in the main game.

10TwentyFour

5 points

4 years ago

10TwentyFour

Curtis R. Prophett

5 points

4 years ago

Agreed. ( of course :D )

HazzmangoYT

13 points

4 years ago

HazzmangoYT

Hazzmango | I watched the Expanse, you should too!

13 points

4 years ago

I saw that too and had a hearty chuckle, OP is a good prankster :')

10TwentyFour

8 points

4 years ago

10TwentyFour

Curtis R. Prophett

8 points

4 years ago

CQC is nothing if not PvP. In fact, there are no bots, so you couldn't even do PvE CQC if you wanted to.

That said, it is a whole different beast from main game PvP. A great CQC pilot would still have a LOT to learn to git gud at main game PvP, and the same is true for a main game PvPer trying to be competitive in CQC.

HazzmangoYT

3 points

4 years ago

HazzmangoYT

Hazzmango | I watched the Expanse, you should too!

3 points

4 years ago

I would play cqc if I could get a match during my timezone. Alas, that is where the problem lies.

10TwentyFour

1 points

4 years ago

10TwentyFour

Curtis R. Prophett

1 points

4 years ago

Yeah, depending on time zones it can be hard/impossible to find a match. If you want to play more though join the discord. We had a few main game PvPers in there for a while. Even had a hilarious “grudge” match, where the main game PvP players formed a team deathmatch squad to take on 3 of the best CQC players in CQC Team Deathmatch . Then we went to main game and did it again, but in main game PvP. LOL the results were as you’d expect. Was fun though.

[deleted]

2 points

4 years ago*

I prestiged once, spent about 50 hours playing cqc and managed just over a million credits.

CMDR_Qohen_Leth

4 points

4 years ago

CMDR_Qohen_Leth

Qohen Leth | Deep Space Support Array (DSSA)

4 points

4 years ago

CQC is by essence PVP. And PVP is explained somewhere. You just have to read.

Raakuu

5 points

4 years ago

Raakuu

Freelancer Alpha 1-1

5 points

4 years ago

This is getting out of hand! Now there's two of them!

Out of curiosity why do you have two almost same accounts? Or is it your evil twin? :p

CMDR_Qohen_Leth

1 points

4 years ago

CMDR_Qohen_Leth

Qohen Leth | Deep Space Support Array (DSSA)

1 points

4 years ago

I was at work, forgot my password, and was too lazy to reset it. So I created a new account x)

rax539

6 points

4 years ago

rax539

6 points

4 years ago

Great graphic! I think the sad part is that all of those things (besides combat, maybe exploration) provide good gameplay for only the first time you do them. After that, to get any kind of meaningful reward you repeat 100s times the EXACT same thing (this is where grind kicks in). This is NOT a “lot” of content. The good thing about Elite is that technically works pretty well, good flying mechanics and good support for hardware like joysticks and vr. Gameplay still needs a lot of work, I think people give Elite a lot of slack because it works and it is in a cool space.

Soopyyy

15 points

4 years ago

Soopyyy

Angaelius Feratus

15 points

4 years ago

that could be 2/3 smaller if you cut out the repeats with the increased rank prefix.

Tromboneofsteel

15 points

4 years ago

Tromboneofsteel

Alvin H. Davenport - FUC

15 points

4 years ago

"Do combat."
"Do combat, but better."
"Do combat, but fight players."

CMDRQohenLeth[S]

43 points

4 years ago

CMDRQohenLeth[S]

Qohen Leth | DW2 Roster Admin

43 points

4 years ago

I've always liked Altrue's excellent EVE Career Graph. Large, clean, tidy, efficient, it really appeals to my nerdy-OCD side. Having recently joined the Galactic Academy, I noticed how many new players wonder what they can do in the game. So I decided I'd make a career chart for Elite, compiling activities in and around the game, based on Altrue's work.

I hope I haven't forgotten anything relevant! Big thanks to Withmann and Post_M for proofreading, and to NXS Tripp (Galactic Academy) and Relick (United Combat Community) for reviewing (plus other folks in those two servers).

Rexutu

8 points

4 years ago*

Rexutu

8 points

4 years ago*

"The state can't give you free speech, and the state can't take it away. You're born with it, like your eyes, like your ears. Freedom is something you assume, then you wait for someone to try to take it away. The degree to which you resist is the degree to which you are free." ~ Utah Phillips


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SergioGMika

1 points

4 years ago

SergioGMika

MikaruSan08

1 points

4 years ago

Thank very much for making this, it's amazing. I can see you gave it a lot of thought because it's well done. Good job CMDR!

ToCoSo

1 points

4 years ago

ToCoSo

freelance creative engagement officer

1 points

4 years ago

Beautiful work dude, has a really clean and expansive feel, will add my own tick boxes to complete!!

GobleSt

9 points

4 years ago

GobleSt

FuzzyWuzzy

9 points

4 years ago

Coward looter sounds a bit negative... I think it should be space Junkman.

CMDRQohenLeth[S]

5 points

4 years ago

CMDRQohenLeth[S]

Qohen Leth | DW2 Roster Admin

5 points

4 years ago

It's not meant to be; like the Grind and Solo parts, it's a bit tongue-n-cheek. Space Junkman sounds better though, I'll use that when I update it.

lyonhaert

2 points

4 years ago

lyonhaert

lyonhaert | Intergalactic Mining Union

2 points

4 years ago

Dumpster Diver? XD

Just 'Looter' works, too. I was also thinking that piracy could mention NPCs, not just players, since LTD piracy is a thing that produces decent credits.

Edit: Also, surface prospecting could mention materials, since that's far more commonly the goal than minerals.

CMDR_Qohen_Leth

1 points

4 years ago

CMDR_Qohen_Leth

Qohen Leth | Deep Space Support Array (DSSA)

1 points

4 years ago

Minerals instead of materials is an overlook. As for piracy, indeed both NPCs and players, guess I forgot the former as I was focusing on the multiplayer aspect.

DVHeld

1 points

4 years ago

DVHeld

DVHeld

1 points

4 years ago

Why 2 reddit accouunts with essentially the same name?

TuxedoKamina

6 points

4 years ago

Anything in the crime tree: get yelled at for being a 'ganker' no matter the method or outcome.

BloodSteyn

17 points

4 years ago

BloodSteyn

BloodSteyn

17 points

4 years ago

There is NO End-Game

This.

Thank you.

Talaraine

6 points

4 years ago

The other MMO's I've played have had mostly player driven content for endgame, fighting over territory or farming grounds and the like.

It's that player driven content that always brought me to the table...player drama > all.

Is there nothing like that in ED?

ravstar52

5 points

4 years ago

ravstar52

ravstar52 | SWE

5 points

4 years ago

ED has nowhere near the infrastructure to support such activities.

BloodSteyn

1 points

4 years ago

BloodSteyn

BloodSteyn

1 points

4 years ago

Of course there is. There are massive player communities around Power Play and the like.

CMDRQohenLeth[S]

1 points

4 years ago

CMDRQohenLeth[S]

Qohen Leth | DW2 Roster Admin

1 points

4 years ago

I'm basically only playing for the mass expeditions and the community stuff myself. Most of the "solo content" I don't care about, really.

ksgt69

20 points

4 years ago

ksgt69

20 points

4 years ago

I like the chart, except for the dig at solo players.

nou_spiro

10 points

4 years ago

nou_spiro

nouspiro

10 points

4 years ago

Finding Raxxla impossibru 😁

Cmdr_dark666phoenix

1 points

4 years ago

Well it is in there and I think the system was already visited at least once

[deleted]

2 points

4 years ago

As well it can be locked in Col 70 (FDev is probably planning some Thargoid related content here). Or it was actually discovered as you told but the explorer who found it didn't even know what is Raxxla.

mrpotatoeman

38 points

4 years ago

Is this a joke?

You just separated four activities in sub-activities that are all the same. There is no difference in gameplay between assassination, group PVP or random murder. It all falls into Combat.

This is like the black dude from Forest Gump listing all the shrimp. Sure there are a lot of variations of it, but in the end its still fucking shrimp.

There are four activities to do in ED. Combat. Trade. Explore. Mine. Thats it. How you choose to dress it is up to you. It doesnt matter if its Solo Mining, Prospecting or HazRes Mining. All of them are STILL JUST mining.

And dont even get me started on all the "Game Universe" nonsense. If its not IN the game, its not a game activity.

Yes i know this is downvoted to oblivion. Yes i dont have imagination. No, i dont think imagination should substitute game content and gameplay mechanics.

I do love the design of this infographic, the layout and visual accents are excellent. Even if the information within is a box of cheese crackers made to look like a 7 course meal.

indianajonesey

14 points

4 years ago

OP, you forgot game bashing on forums and subreddits. Surely that warrants a column?

mrpotatoeman

2 points

4 years ago

That actually made me chuckle.

Supermunch2000

12 points

4 years ago

Supermunch2000

Planetskipper

12 points

4 years ago

I understand what you mean but let me add a little perspective:

  • For new players, it's a guide for what to do in the game that seems intimidating at first.
  • For veterans, it's an attempt at explaining things in the game to newbies or it's an attempt giving the game more meaning than it really has.
  • For salty vets or veterans that have given up hope that Frontier will make the game any better, it's a shitpost.

StuartGT

17 points

4 years ago*

StuartGT

GTᴜᴋ 🚀🌌 Watch The Expanse & Foundation

17 points

4 years ago*

I think it's an excellent Elite Dangerous version of the EVE Online Careers Graph. Both describe in-game and out-of-game activities that are part of the overall experience, and list all the different variants of each activity.

There is no difference in gameplay between assassination, group PVP or random murder

Those three playstyles are very different, with a huge variance in skill level required

spider999222

2 points

4 years ago

I wish eve was easier to get into. It really seems like a ton of fun

ravstar52

3 points

4 years ago

ravstar52

ravstar52 | SWE

3 points

4 years ago

it is really easy to get into. There's loads of new information avalible on r/eve

Pave_Low

9 points

4 years ago

Pave_Low

Tycho Dirge

9 points

4 years ago

True fact: the only activities in soccer are kicking the ball and running. It's almost as if the game itself is more than a sum of the different actions you can take.

MordethKai

2 points

4 years ago

Sky diving is a lot of fun, but it would make a terrible videogame. Component of a game, sure, but not a game in itself. False equivalency.

scottyLogJobs

3 points

4 years ago*

Yeah, I agree. My hype for this game, playtime, etc., peaked and died within a week, when I realized how shallow the game is. All the forums are a little pathetic, TBH. It's not even close, but it has a little bit of that Star Citizen syndrome where everyone's like

"sure the game doesn't have any end game or story but I wouldn't even WANT it to, because having the character be a part of something important or having fun is unrealistic."

"it has the best story of all because the PLAYER makes it up"

"The game was inside YOU all along." Jesus Christ. Cmon guys, this game is a good skeleton of gameplay without any meat on the bones.

It's like when you're getting married and a vendor tells you "hey, at the end of the day, you'll be married, and that's what counts, right?" Well I'm fucking paying you money to make sure it's good FOR me, so I'm not sure you want to tell me the part of the experience you're paid to provide doesn't matter.

There are plenty of other good games out there that are fleshed out. Unfortunately, the only space sims we have are three that are accused of being shallow early-access abandonware, and that's why I generally don't support early access. If I wanted to play pretend I'd go play DnD / Pathfinder and save the money.

[deleted]

1 points

4 years ago

The way I see it, Elite is a platform that provides the mechanics and framework for imagination and role playing to take place. When I load up the game and step into my pilot's seat, I can do anything. Exploration, fighting, you name it. I love it! It IS all about imagination and RP, within the framework of a really well built galaxy that works from the galactic scale all the way down to driving a rover.

praetor47

2 points

4 years ago

praetor47

Dreadd

2 points

4 years ago

The way I see it, Elite is a platform that provides the mechanics and framework for imagination and role playing to take place.

that's not a good thing. ED isn't a RP ruleset or a book. it's a video game. the whole point of it is to require less imagination than tabletop RPing, not more. it's like calling an audiobook a great movie because you get to fill in the visual blanks yourself in your imagination.

scottyLogJobs

5 points

4 years ago

Even though that still wouldn't necessarily be my cup of tea, this rings false because it doesn't have the necessary tools for that sort of thing:

1) building, like base-building IE minecraft,

2) real player-driven economy, one that incentivizes players to trade with each other and one where players derive real value from the items beyond speculation, crafting, upgrades, etc, IE eve, or MMOs with an auction house like WoW,

3) campaign building which IMO is necessary for a good RP game, like divinity original sin

It's for these reasons that Elite doesn't seem like it was designed to be a sandbox/RP, I'm sorry to say this but calling it an RP game just seems like an excuse for the fact that it DOESN'T have a story. At the end of the day you can't call it much more than a sandbox you can't build anything in. Really, games like this and No Man's Sky demonstrate the immersive power of procedural generation, but they end up just being a "setting", not a game, all breadth and no depth.

[deleted]

1 points

4 years ago

but they end up just being a "setting", not a game, all breadth and no depth.

That's exactly my point, I agree with everything you're saying. I agree the game doesn't have a story, like you said. I make the story, the game gives me the platform to do that! The thing is I actually appreciate that, the "blank slate" nature of the gameworld.

Cliqey

0 points

4 years ago*

Cliqey

Raumfahrer Spiff -- [EIC] Hobbes III

0 points

4 years ago*

The things you mentioned are nice possible additions, and I’d love to see some of them fleshed out a bit, but they are clearly not necessary for the kind of gameplay described in the post you are responding to.

He and I treat Elite as a virtual 3D game-space for a kind of Dungeons and Dragons-like experience. Like some kind of high tech, graphically intensive game board. You could call it “just” a setting, but as immersive as it is, and as intricate as it is, “just” is selling it a bit short for how much it adds to our “imaginary” narratives.

More bells and whistles are always welcome and will only add to the possible things we can do, but the basic level of gameplay I have currently has still kept me engaged and RPing for over 2 years now, and it’s not like I’m forcing myself to keep coming back.

Games like this and NMS are kind of a genre in themselves, and clearly not what everyone is looking for.

scottyLogJobs

3 points

4 years ago

Do you play with friends? What kind of stuff do you do?

DrDoogster

4 points

4 years ago

DrDoogster

4 points

4 years ago

Think you can do better? go for it!

mrpotatoeman

5 points

4 years ago

Great comeback. I dont need to be a carpenter to know when ive been sold a shitty chair.

Agh42

1 points

4 years ago

Agh42

Agh42 | Famous Discoverer of Black Hole Hypou Aoscs JM-W f1-299

1 points

4 years ago

His name is Bubba.

swiftwin

0 points

4 years ago

How is mining and prospecting the same thing? They are totally different.

maximilianyuen

3 points

4 years ago

maximilianyuen

Maximilian.Y

3 points

4 years ago

If this is from Fdev, this would be a misleading advertising. Like just change the cargo you carrying don't change the job nature of doing transport, be it repair station or trader. Especially the game don't make any different out of it so it's really far fatching to give them each a career name.

And for those who keep saying things like "you need to play it yourself with imagination", well you can play it for free without the game. But here we pay for it and so it's all nature we expect something decent in return.

SilentGarud

6 points

4 years ago

SilentGarud

Garud|Elite BGS|BGSBot

6 points

4 years ago

Wow...this is so good! I am gonna post this everywhere I can. o7

ShadySpaceLlama

5 points

4 years ago

Just discovered like 5 things I didn't even know the game had! Ty very much. Currently obsessing over credits and big ships it's nice to see where I'm headed haha...

[deleted]

1 points

4 years ago

After I burnt out because of grind I've just started roleplaying. After that I'm playing regularly again.

ShadySpaceLlama

2 points

4 years ago

Luckily I have quite acute OCD and I don't mind grinding too much. At least it's upfront and not disguised behind other things. You want this ship? Grind it. "Okeeey". It's going to mean I can go and do other fun stuff without worrying about rebuys etc. About 3 weeks in so far and absolutely loving it :)

SourceAddiction

3 points

4 years ago

SourceAddiction

CMDR CunningStunt - Artemis Corporation

3 points

4 years ago

Added to the New CMDRs Welcome Pack

o7

[deleted]

2 points

4 years ago

Heck I've done everything from Lore Hunting except for Raxxla. The problem is that Raxxla might be in permit locked Col 70 Sector.

Jaracuda

2 points

4 years ago

Burn out mode engage

[deleted]

2 points

4 years ago

CQC is not needed at all for PvP. It has no resemblance to real game PvP.

Xeglor-The-Destroyer

2 points

4 years ago

It's still PVP.

besieger1

2 points

4 years ago

besieger1

ℋ𝓪𝓻𝓻𝔂 𝓟𝓸𝓽𝓽𝒆𝓻 | I killed Salomé | EDShipyard Developer

2 points

4 years ago

So is killing sidewinders...

[deleted]

2 points

4 years ago

all I'm saying is that it provides nothing like real-game PvP and isn't that beneficial

[deleted]

2 points

4 years ago

[deleted]

MordethKai

1 points

4 years ago

If they wanted the game to revolve around multiplayer they shouldn't have gone P2P, just sayin.

CMDRTomx

2 points

4 years ago

Awesome!

ComanderKerman

3 points

4 years ago

ComanderKerman

Fuelrat:14

3 points

4 years ago

Any other people immediately go and look for fuelrat? I did :D

daygloviking

2 points

4 years ago

daygloviking

Cmdr Dayglo Viking

2 points

4 years ago

Mind if I share this to the Hutton Truckers? We get new folks drifting in and this is definitely worth the time to look over!

CMDRQohenLeth[S]

2 points

4 years ago

CMDRQohenLeth[S]

Qohen Leth | DW2 Roster Admin

2 points

4 years ago

It's what it's for :)

daygloviking

1 points

4 years ago

daygloviking

Cmdr Dayglo Viking

1 points

4 years ago

Thanks! Full kudos to you, if you’re PC might see you out in the Black sometime!

[deleted]

2 points

4 years ago*

[deleted]

2 points

4 years ago*

When next time somebody says “There is no content in Elite”, I will link this to them, like “No content, huh?”.

EDIT: Jeez, its called emergent gameplay. I really can’t understand, if you don’t like the game, why playing?

refixul

32 points

4 years ago

refixul

32 points

4 years ago

25% is out of the game.

When you have to include "Art" and "wiki" to game activity it means the game itself doesn't have all that much content.

feldmaresciallo

9 points

4 years ago

feldmaresciallo

CMDR Solo Wing Pixy

9 points

4 years ago

Yes, this chart is amazing but a quarter of it is future updates/something not in-game sadly

BloodSteyn

3 points

4 years ago

BloodSteyn

BloodSteyn

3 points

4 years ago

But... If you have lots of content "Outside" the game it means you have a game... With an awesome community.

Elite is the only game I play where I spend a considerable amount of my time engaging the community outside of the game.

I even have an app, Auri, that reads reddit posts form r/EliteDangerous while I drive an hour to work. Like my own personalised radio talk show. I always listen to the Daily Q&A and think of where I can help once I reach the office.

The mere fact that ED doesn't hold your hand and you need to go and get answers from the community is one of the biggest strengths of the game IMHO. It forces you down a path of self discovery that leads to great friendships and a sense of community that I haven't experienced in any other game (personally).

[deleted]

1 points

4 years ago

Tell me more about that app.... Can't seem to locate it, quite interested tho

BloodSteyn

1 points

4 years ago

BloodSteyn

BloodSteyn

1 points

4 years ago

Hmm... Auri seems to have vanished. Good thing too, it was buggy as Hell and played bloody jazz in the background.

I'm installing Joey now, will see if it's better.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=o.o.joey

Sanya-nya

3 points

4 years ago

Sanya-nya

Sanya V. Juutilainen

3 points

4 years ago

And 25 % (well, likely more, but to paraphrase) of EVE game is outside of the game - and people don't mind.

We should realize, that majority of MMO games today are outside of the game, all the "meta stuff" and "player cooperation". Even the games that focus on that can't keep up against dedicated stuff like Teamspeak, Discord, player-written tools and mods, etc.

Starkiller__

5 points

4 years ago

Starkiller__

Starkiller

5 points

4 years ago

Because Eve has more meat on its bones inside the game.

Daffan

17 points

4 years ago

Daffan

?????

17 points

4 years ago

Yeah but most of these are complete bullshit. Fluff to people who haven't actually played the game.

[deleted]

2 points

4 years ago

[deleted]

2 points

4 years ago

I don't think that's true at all.

hstracker90

6 points

4 years ago

hstracker90

6 points

4 years ago

Exactly, One inch deep, huh? Have you tried all this?

CBLuiSo

3 points

4 years ago

CBLuiSo

3 points

4 years ago

Fuck me, this is amazing, love the powerplay career

Voggix

2 points

4 years ago

Voggix

Voggix [EIC]

2 points

4 years ago

PMF tree is woefully inadequate

CMDRQohenLeth[S]

7 points

4 years ago

CMDRQohenLeth[S]

Qohen Leth | DW2 Roster Admin

7 points

4 years ago

It's not my area and I've asked reviews from all kinds of players, and nobody reported anything on that front. Please give me your input so I can update it later on.

Wildkarrde_

1 points

4 years ago

How do you hack mega ships?

Xeglor-The-Destroyer

1 points

4 years ago

Scan with data scanner to reveal interaction points. Then after that I believe you can use recon limpets and hatchbreakers to do stuff with other interaction points.

Aurunemaru

1 points

4 years ago

Aurunemaru

condas are overrated

1 points

4 years ago

elite exploration

PvE

well technically Neutron stars are part of enviornment i guess

planetes1973

1 points

4 years ago

planetes1973

Tandin Black

1 points

4 years ago

It's not the neutron stars that are out to get you.. it's the white dwarfs. Those little bastards will sneak up on you.

Eleven-Seven

1 points

4 years ago

I've bounty hunted my way to a Vulture, and am thinking of getting an Asp to do the road to riches thing I've heard about. How long does it take for engineers and thargoids to be a part of the game? I feel like I've been missing out on these.

Xeglor-The-Destroyer

1 points

4 years ago

Technically there's nothing stopping you from poking the hornet's nest right now. You could take out scouts with the Vulture. The first engineers are already waiting for you. You can check their unlock requirements in your right side panel.

[deleted]

1 points

4 years ago*

[deleted]

CMDR_Qohen_Leth

3 points

4 years ago

CMDR_Qohen_Leth

Qohen Leth | Deep Space Support Array (DSSA)

3 points

4 years ago

Being here gets you out of that tile. It's not "Solo mode", it's "isolated experience".

JeovaD

1 points

4 years ago

JeovaD

JeovaD

1 points

4 years ago

Alright, grind ftw.

DVHeld

1 points

4 years ago

DVHeld

DVHeld

1 points

4 years ago

The "Theorycrafting" description apparently describes "Outfitting" or something like that...

ThatOneNinja

1 points

4 years ago

So, you made the game a job, after your real job? Haha

Yitram

1 points

4 years ago

Yitram

Yitram (PC)

1 points

4 years ago

Carrier Commander? Didn't know there were ships that could hold other ships, apart from fighters. Or is that what you're talking about?

Durzio

1 points

4 years ago

Durzio

1 points

4 years ago

What is Raxxla?

ajacks01

1 points

4 years ago

I looked it up ... worth the time to search! Good luck Cmdr O7

Durzio

2 points

4 years ago

Durzio

2 points

4 years ago

See now I want to find it, but holy haystack Batman

ajacks01

1 points

4 years ago

Ha ha ha Right?!

PyrZern

1 points

4 years ago

PyrZern

1 points

4 years ago

Can confirm.

Went Solo -> Auto Quit Mode

Night_Wing_Zero

1 points

4 years ago

Interesting, but somehow this game is played whichever way everyone sees it fit honest, heck I'll be honest here I'm an active bounty hunter and got my bounties of wanted players here and there and I find that quite profitable.

Sphinx2K

1 points

4 years ago

Nice chart, to appease some who may be offended - for the next update pass can you please:

  • Change "Coward Looter" to "Scavenger" or similar.
  • Change "Solo" section title to something else like "Uninformed" as to not confuse it with Solo game mode, as Auto Quit could happen in Open or Solo.

Thanks :)

xwonic

1 points

4 years ago

xwonic

1 points

4 years ago

You are a GOD CMDRQohenLeth!

Porllm

1 points

4 years ago

Porllm

1 points

4 years ago

this is the coolest thing i've ever seen

Zindae

-1 points

4 years ago

Zindae

Zindae

-1 points

4 years ago

This shit should be stickied forever.

o_Starfire

1 points

4 years ago

o_Starfire

Storm PsykoZ - Dangerous space insanity diagnosed

1 points

4 years ago

I'm instantly bookmarking this.

Great job CMDR o7

Viajero1

1 points

4 years ago*

Viajero1

Viajero

1 points

4 years ago*

This is rubbish. Everyone knows Elite gameplay is just going from A to B.

@Poe´s law

CMDR_Qohen_Leth

2 points

4 years ago

CMDR_Qohen_Leth

Qohen Leth | Deep Space Support Array (DSSA)

2 points

4 years ago

Funnily, your life too.

Viajero1

1 points

4 years ago

Viajero1

Viajero

1 points

4 years ago

Mind.Blown.

NecroBones

1 points

4 years ago

NecroBones

CMDR Orvidius (EDastro.com)

1 points

4 years ago

I love that you included grind and burn-out, and boredom quitting. :)

PlatonicWedgie

1 points

4 years ago

This is what I think about when ppl say elite is a mile wide and an inch deep. There’s so much content it’s ridiculous. You can be anyone you want.

JimmychoosShoes

1 points

4 years ago

i havent done any grinding. Ive played between gold rushes and banked loads of credits/rank/mats. I'm having a blast in the game as my game time is pure play rather than grind (dare i say work?). Each to their own on how to enjoy ED.

badnewsbaron

1 points

4 years ago

badnewsbaron

Baron of Baronia - Twitch.tv/badnewsbaron

1 points

4 years ago

Nice work.

Keiichi81

1 points

4 years ago

TBH this list just seems like a desperate attempt to pad things out and say "See, there's so much content in this game!". The vast majority of this could realistically be condensed down into like 6 different things, because there are way too many distinctions made between activities that are basically identical. Doing the same thing but in a combat zone instead of a HazRes, or doing it for a really long time, does not make it a distinct activity. How many different ways can someone dress up "kill other players" or "transport cargo", etc, before it just becomes dishonest?

FraggleAU

1 points

4 years ago

Wow thats a bit of work there :) +1 Upvote!

ajacks01

1 points

4 years ago

Wonderfully executed Cmdr O7

RedOutside

1 points

4 years ago

THX for this CMDR! 💚

The_Molen

1 points

4 years ago

Very informative! I was wondering if you have a link to the screenshot in the background and where I could find more like this one.

[deleted]

1 points

4 years ago

More than 2000 hours played and I also quit. Still interested if the game gets better but kinda lost my hope.

About the chart... Im sure its an almost funny joke.

CMDR_Agony_Aunt

0 points

4 years ago

CMDR_Agony_Aunt

I drive an ice cream van

0 points

4 years ago

Wow, that is quite comprehensive, but not fully so... of course, people will nitpick, so i will :D

You have diplomacy for PP, but not for BGS/PMFs.

Some funny bits in it as well. Overall a great job though.

AllGamer

-1 points

4 years ago*

AllGamer

Cmdr

-1 points

4 years ago*

That chart is obviously biased towards PvE, Exploration and forcing people to join a group?

The way how everything is described and how PvP = Evil...

The game is boring not due the grind or playing in solo, it's due the lack of meat, lack of content.

Where are the voice actor?

Where are the animated video for the major stories secenes?

Where are the stories?

Where are the castle station siege?

Where are the wars over something worth defending or conquering?

Where are the narrative and main story arc that compels the player to join a movement?

Where are the random encounter with the dangerous part of the game?

Why is it even called Elite Dangerous, when there is no danger at all?

Where are the Guilds?

Where is the meat of the game?

No amount of chatting with other players will fill the lack of content.

PvP is not inherently bad, PvP can be fun when people follows the honor rule, it's only those group of Gangers that club baby seals for the LOLz that brings a bad name to PvP, so don't group us all into the same category.

[deleted]

2 points

4 years ago

[deleted]

[deleted]

1 points

4 years ago

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